>>40971048 They were 18 and for dosh, the penalty wasn't consistent with how they usually treat their own citizens for similar crimes, but seeing as it's a corrupt third world shithole they had to go all poor on their arses and execute them.
Also poor taste considering Australia pleaded with them not to after we give them aid year in, year out and helped them with the 2004 tsunami. I honestly hope the bunch of poor scum try and declare war on us, so China / US can wipe them the fuck out.
>>40971783 Because they're out citizens and the tip off was from our AFP, maybe your lack of understanding is what seperates the 1st world from the 3rd world, either way, good luck getting any help with your next tsunami.
If you follow the news of the execution of The Bali 9, I’m sure as an Asian, no matter which country you are from, you can see with both eyes open, how the Westerners are just a bunch of bullies.
This is directed at Australians, French, and Brazilians, who stay in Asian countries. If you DO NOT RESPECT the local laws, and think that you can do as you wish, then please don’t come at all. We DO NOT welcome you.
We Singaporeans, Indonesians or Malaysians prefer other tourists than your kind. Please bring your poison somewhere else.
Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia’s laws are very clear, crystal clear. We will HANG drug traffickers. What’s so difficult to understand here?
Now your citizens have been caught red-handed, but you arrogant big countries still want to try to bully developing country like Indonesia to make them submit to your demands.
USA hangs and kills thousands of drug traffickers, why don’t you make noise there? USA almost destroyed Iraq, a country that never posed threats to anybody, why didn’t you make noise there?
These people bring poisons and destroy our youths, and you ask us to forgive them? They knew the risk, they took it, what else is there to say?
Brazil, a corrupt country that is losing its fight with the drug cartels, a country with extremely high crime rates in their cities, tries to teach other countries how to punish their own citizen’s crimes…. what a joke!
>>40971825 That just means the AFP are the ones really responsible. They could have arrested them in Australia with a big pile of evidence but chose to tip off authorities in a country that executes traffickers.
>>40971890 Australia, another country that is losing the drug war. Australia’s teen drug abuse is among the highest in the developed countries, Google it and see for yourself. With crime gangs and drug lords infesting their cities and universities, why is the Government now trying to defend the Drug Lord’s life. What message are you sending to your youths? That drug use is nothing illegal, as even your prime minister is defending it? What a joke!
France and the rest of Europe, what else is there to say? Ever visited Amsterdam? Drug capital of the world. Junkies everywhere. Unemployed youths snorting cannabis in coffee shops… what a joke!
So to all Australians, please don’t come to Bali, please, we beg you. We really DO NOT WANT your kind there. Please don’t come to Singapore, we don’t want you here. Please go to countries where you can snort cocaine freely like Brazil or Europe.
I urge Asian countries especially Thailand and The Philippines, to shore up your Asian Pride. Don’t let these westerners invade your country culturally. When I visited most of Thai and Philippine beaches and cities, what I saw were not tourist, but gangs of Europeans and Eastern Europeans forging ties selling things from drugs to prostitution. Slowly but sure, it kills the host country eventually.
To all westerners, if your country is crumbling and failing, don’t drag us down with you.
>>40971890 You don't get a death sentence in the U.S. for trafficking drugs, retard.
Only savages would kill people for that sort of thing.
Iraq never posed threats to anybody? Tell that to Kuwait, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the Kurds etc.
You're a joke and so is your butthurt over not understanding INTERNATIONAL backlash (not just western) against the execution of the Bali nine. People are starting to wake up the world over and realize that it's wrong for the government to dictate what you can and can't put into your body. It's a shame you Southeast Asian monkeys are too barbaric to realize that.
>To all westerners, if your country is crumbling and failing, don’t drag us down with you.
Yeah, because everywhere in SEA is a wonderful country. Singapore is literally the only place worth living there and it's only because you're basically going to get tortured or fined or jailed if you commit the slightest of crimes. Moreover, being a shut-in living in what is basically a country with no freedom you'd understand yes, plenty of people do drugs here, but I'm not sure you really understand what drug abuse is. Heaps of people all over the world (1st world countries that are free) do drugs recreationally.
>>40971972 >Iraq never posed threats to anybody? Tell that to Kuwait, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the Kurds etc. Anon, Iraq post-sanction is not a threat to anybody. Before that, they were a threat thanks to your patronage.
Not that I agree with the Singaporean's sentiments, but you're falling for his b8
>>40971972 >Very large quantities or mixtures of heroin, cocaine, ecgonine, phencyclidine (PCP), lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana, or methamphetamine. The United States Supreme Court in Kennedy v. Louisiana struck down capital punishment for crimes that do not result in the death of a victim, but left open the possibility for "offenses against the State" – including crimes such as "drug kingpin activity" (and treason and espionage).
>>40972178 and those are only called terrorists because it suits someone's agenda. for those, when they are agains the west, they are terrorists but when they are pro west they are freedom fighters
honestly I like to keep name things as they are. you never know when you'd be the one fighting for what you think is right and then be labeled as a terrorist because that doesn't suit some foreign power.
>>40972119 and many terrorist cells were/are financed by the US are Americans terrorists now?
>>40972094 >They only target those who do not follow the quran. *who follow their specific interpretation of the quran to a t ftfy. and they use that. to kill absolutely anyone they like, so not only are you wrong on that count, but by that definition there is no such thing as a terrorist. The Taliban attcked all who weren't Pashtun sunnis, Al Qaeda does exactly as done above, al shabab does exactly as described above
>>40972352 Indonesia marches them about on tv for 10 years after we give them aid with the 2004 tsunami, we know they broke the law, but being shot by a firing squad is just third world as fuck and having them behind bars would have been sufficient.
Not really, it's just a potentially fun semi-shithole to live in if you can bribe your way out of trouble. Also it's simply fucking beautiful. Much better than the no fun allowed world champion country Singapore.
>>40972306 >The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Think a little, you consider this a good definition? By this definition, every country at war at this moment with against anything is a terrorist. Every armed rebel out there is a terrorist and suddenly this world was built by terrorists.
>>40972643 Yeah sorry friend it was just a weak attempt at shitposting. You're totally right though, Westerners can see their ideals as being universal and assume the rest of the world will be better off when they come around to their way of thinking. Of course it's human nature to think your philosophies are the best, and I don't think Westerners are the only ones to do this though.
The Australian pair knowingly broke a foreign law and deserve punishment for trafficking poison through some of the most disadvantaged parts of the world,
However, no country on earth has the right to execute the citizens of another, in Australia we view execution as barbaric and illegal, and it's a crime for Indonesia to apply their outdated laws to our citizens.
South East Asians can cry all they want about the big bad west bullying them, but who gives a fuck, we do what is in our power to stop you animals from murdering our citizens, if you could get to our level we wouldn't have to bully you.
>>40972649 that's why I like to make the destinction, least we start banalizing the term and applying it to anyone. ISIS is trying to carve out their own state, based on common religious values instead of arbitrary straight line borders laid down by Europeans. This state has it's own laws and applies the death penalty to those that don't follow some of them. Call them barbaric or uncivilized, but not terrorists, save that word for those who really deserve it and not those who the west doesn't like. As I said, you never know when you might be the one wanting to fight and be labeled something you are not.
I figured. If you have a problem with authority and/or a criminal record as is often the case when you're poor joining the military is not an option. Also, the pay is shit. But I guess it works for some.
ISIS does fund, condones and encourages attacks on civilians in western countries and they are vocal about it. Yes they do act like a state (a shitty, douchy one), I'd go as far as saying they are effectively a state but they still do terrorist shit.
You can always argue that a man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, which is true, but anyone who thinks ISIS is about freedom needs to be shot.
ISIS isn't my biggest concern though. My biggest concern is that freedom is slowly dying here too.
>>40973015 All I'm saying is that your country has punishments we consider illegal. It's wrong to treat our citizens to those laws, regardless of what they've done. Put them in prison for life, but don't shoot them.
>>40973001 But that is what that means. Sayng your citizens are exempt from any part of a foreign legal system is classic colonial bullshit, which is why it's no longer done and leaders have to call each other and withdraw ambassadors instead. Also one reason a lot of countries don't extradite peole facing death penalties. Of course we'd like executions to go away, but that's only going to happen with agreement.
>>40973039 9 people were convicted for smuggling heroin through Indonesia, they were sentanced to death.
In Australia we've been trying to get the government to change the sentence to life in prison rather than death, but this morning they were all executed except for one Filipino woman. There's been a huge outcry and Australia's even removed its ambassador to Indonesia.
Four Nigerians, a Brazilian and an Indonesian were also killed, but I'm not sure of the response in those countries.
>>40971890 >Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia’s laws are very clear, crystal clear. We will HANG drug traffickers. What’s so difficult to understand here?
You're aware that Indonesia and Malaysia do it only because of Sharia, right? Singapore is a non-muslim country that claims to be 1st world, why the fuck do you copy the laws of your degenerate neigbours? Does Israel copy laws of Egypt and Syria?
It's media overhype. Abbott Government is unpopular so they make a big deal about getting these guys out. Tabloids get involved, call them 'brave' for trying to destabilise communities for a profit and everyone starts kicking a stink over the death penalty as a concept, despite not even a peep made over the same punishment made for an indo terrorist a few years back. Aus/indo relations have been spiralling since they busted us spying on them a few years back, they announce the killings on our national rememberance day to emphasise they don't give a fuck what we think... it's all a media circus.
>>40973113 They aren't killing civilians for political gain, they do it because they don't follow their "countrie's" rules. Tell me the last civilian who was acivelly targeted and killed that didn't break any law of the quran?. ISIS's victims are not comparable to those of the bombings in Madrid or 9/11. It's like saying Indonesia or the US kill their prisioners for political gains. No one cares about brown people dying, everyone knows it, they know it, they are not making any threats with it, it's not a message. The stupidity is that nowadays you just throw the word "terrorist" around like it's nothing to get the support of the people.
>>40973361 Fuck off, we should take more laws from Singapore, they have the right idea. If we could Cane these stupid fucking abos every time they committed petty theft or assault, we'd save an enormous amount of money and you better believe they wouldn't do it again. Instead they get let out on suspended sentences, do it again, then get another suspended sentence. And even if they go to jail, jail is no different than how they normally live, doing nothing surrounded by other abos.
>>40973361 omelette du fromage are you dumb, indonesia doesnt have islamic laws apart from 1 province of Aceh. And there is nothing in Islam law states that drug is punishable with death. This is country law. Btw IIRC Singapore have death penalty even before Indonesia and Malaysia (might be wrong though)
>>40973613 It's being used to distract people from a bunch of other dumb shit. It's not working, since most people here think they should be executed, but the Indo fuckwits announced the release of a couple of guys who murdered a bunch of Australians on ANZAC day, which is stirring people up.
>>40973418 I'm sure those mountains of polls where they've been behind the opposition since 2013 were all a lie and the government isn't even thinking about exploiting manufactured drama for breathing room.
>>40973613 sjws are making a big deal about it besides them no one cares. >>40973700 like the polls that show right now in a primary vote the LNP is preferred? Yeaaaah fuck off you scummy melbourne cunt.
No, the real message is "we're a shit country, please don't come and spend your money here". Fuck your false morals and delusions. I bet they were just at the wrong place and time too, when the government decided to make examples and they were the unlucky motherfuckers. Who knows, they might have been set up from the start. Somehow I don't think this will be enough to make drugs disappear from Indonesian streets.
>>40974052 >But no one told Australia to give them money in the first place. Good to know you have some concept of how foreign aid works. >Not only that but Australia is the reason why SEA is so shit Americans in charge of history. If I want to hear about how you single-handedly won world war 2 etc. I will ask you. >>40974121 What, and that works one way only? pls..
>>40974259 Yeah, but in reality, no. Drinking a coffee and pointing out some facts, also calling you a cunt. 4chan fuck yeah! >>40974297 So you're going to claim to know something about how the money is utilised although I'd be willing to bet it's the first time you've actually even heard of "Australian Development assistance in Indonesia" If you even opened the link that is.. Please enlighten us oh wise one, including the Indos that probably know nothing about it either.
You mean how Anglo Australians have this complex in helping 'poor brown people " by giving them large sums of money. Not only that but the money is used to eradicate the persistence of the PKI and its affiliates. You think Australia is the only anglo country with this sort of complex problem?
>>40971890 You have the right to be savages. I don't do or deal drugs, but even so, I will never go to your tyrannical barbaric shitholes. Still, I think the idiots who went there got what they deserve. I am against death penalty, so I will never patronize shitholes such as yours, but imbeciles will go there at their own risk. I mean, if somebody jumps in a bear cage, what happens to the idiot is the bear's or the idiot's fault?
>>40974561 Amazing Grace has been adopted by Americans as their favorite Christian hymn. Its also been adopted by the ghetto black community. Its not something Australians commonly sing. >"Amazing Grace" saw a resurgence in popularity in the U.S. during the 1960s and has been recorded thousands of times during and since the 20th century, occasionally appearing on popular music charts. Basically their last statement to the world was "yo yo we are americans!"
>>40972447 They didn't threaten, they actually arrest the kid. Still, though luck of the kid. I'd never go to that shithole or spend a dime there. Governments should do the same, but they do profit of Singapore's corrupt regime.
>>40974643 can you prove any of that money goes to the poor brown people. Its just a front for under the table bribes because that is how the 3rd world works. Its full of corruption and powerful idiots. If 1st world Governments said "we give 3rd world money lots of money to grease their wheels" it would be too controversial.
You think we fuck around with criminals? Have you not seen The Raid and The Raid: Redemption!?
Besides, the Indonesian Police were tipped off by the AUSTRALIAN FEDERAL POLICE about the Bali Nine. Any retarded skip bogan who is ranting about justice is fooled by Tony Abbott.
Sources "Indonesian terrorist suspect shot dead in police crackdown", Sydney Morning Herald, January 13, 2015: http://www.smh.com.au/world/indonesian-terrorist-suspect-shot-dead-in-police-crackdown-20150113-12nc3c.html
"How the AFP trapped the Bali Nine", The Australian, August 27, 2010: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/how-the-afp-trapped-the-bali-nine/story-e6frg6z6-1225910600831?nk=5e7b4bb2b2fbc542512b8c4a8391f12c
>>40974755 >ny retarded skip bogan who is ranting about justice is fooled by Tony Abbott. Shut up indo. Not even talking about whats going on but come over here and say that you little monkey. Didn't think so!
>>40974784 I am an anglo Australian. My mind works like this I don't want to give aid to brown people I don't care about brown people. I want foreign brown people to get the fuck out of my country. I think American posters are retards.
You can get life for murder. Not just theoretically. I know someone who knows someone who got sentenced to fifteen years over cigarette trafficking. Like in the US not everybody is equal and luck is involved among other factors, sentences can vary a lot.
Our system is a little more willing to seek alternatives for prison or actually staying all the time in prison though. Because they're not profit seeking private corporations and they're fucking full and run down.
>>40974836 >I am an anglo Australian. >I want foreign brown people to get the fuck out of my country.
Well, ya better start breeding like rabbits, Skippy. Otherwise them Lebos, Wogs, Gooks, Chinks, and us Indons will start taking over. I mean, John So was Mayor of Melbourne from 2001 to 2008. That was just an appetizer...
Nobody understands the finer political points about this whole thing. The left is causing all the drama here. When they are not in power they switch from gloating to "cause as much damage to the country as they can" mode. They literally want us to go to war with anyone just so the country will get destroyed. They are completely out of their tiny minds. Examples. They threatened we would go to war if Abbott got voted in. Never happened. They tried to encourage a war with Russia when Putin came here and it never happened. Now they are again trying to bait a conflict with Indonesia. They are just lunatics. Lots of people seem to be missing the fact that the normally unpatriotic left are suddenly patriotic right now?
is it true that Indonesia has really strict laws about import for pretty much everything.My dad is a sailor so hes pretty often there, and told me that you can easilly get in jail for a few years just if you have pack of gums that you havent declared and shit
>>40974930 >>40974930 The full course meal is we invade indonesia with long ranger bombs. Occupy your country and turn it into a protectorate of Australia like every other country in the region.
Also why are 9/10 Indonesian posts just jingoistic racist babby talk with all the facts upside down. Its almost like you are paid shills. Just affirming the common perception of SEAs as being tinpot dictators.
>>40974291 Why? The poeple in Indonesia need that money for food and rebuilding infrastructure after the 2004 tsunami. It's unfair to punish the people for the actions of their government by taking food out of their mouth.
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