>super low bore axis; lowest of any pistol in history
>fastest cycle time in a semi auto pistol ever
>non tilting barrel
>no feed ramp; round barely even has to travel upward to chamber
>doesn't have the Glock dingus on the trigger
>went 20,000 rounds with no cleaning and no lube in 4 days with zero stoppages
It's probably not the best looking gun in the world though. I can't wait till they sell the patents to their action (if they haven't already) so other manufacturers can jump on the bandwagon.
Imagine a pistol with the same action type and with Magpul tier ergonomics and looks.
Well, on the one hand Russian products are generally good quality for cheapish prices. On the other hand, all the effort to import it to the US could affect the price quite a bit.
/pol/ is being raided hard right now, so expect the SJW crowd to spill over here for a while.
>Buying a new product is now wasting money.
I guess you never buy anything new.
>Looking forward to new products is shilling
I'm sure you'll be shitting your pants when Glock announces they are releasing their only pistol again for the 50th time though.
If you mean his personal money than sure, he can blow it however he wants. Nobody is buying the gun for him you dumb shit stain.
>He doesn't NEED that gun
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE, DO YOU?
If its his own money fine but this implies that its not which he can fuck off and use the SIg. No he doesn't need a new gun at all on the taxpayer's dime until his shits out on him. Fuck you.
>mfw full auto pdw conversion kit
>dat ridiculous MG42 rate of fire
My department issues every officer a Glock 19, but we are allowed to use any personal weapon we want so long as it makes some reasonable requirements and you can qualify with it.
Hell, I met a highway patrol officer who carried a fucking single action army.
1,177$ ~ here in sweden
New glock 17 gen4 cost 1044$
>I want a green one for Innawood
>tfw Americans cry about gun prices
Happy 4th July burger i hope you went out shooting
>someone's trying to re-invent the wheel again
>implying that's a bad thing
I bet you still believe in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," don't you?
supply and demand i guess.
we don't have many pistol shooters compared to fudd hunters.
>good luck getting into 3gun in sweden.... people can barely join pistol shooting clubs since the que is so long
with that we can find some sweet deals on auctions.
Last auction i was it had this and several other c96. I did not have my license yet
>German Mauser, C96 Bolo
Caliber 7,63 (never heard of this)
Barrel lenght 10cm
Adjustable sight 50-100m
Wood stock / Holster "?"
This pistol was probably 1 of 300 that was bought for the Swedish "Munckska Kåren"
Stockholms Airforces (volunteer's) During 1920 handed out to some of them.
>Someone's trying to re-invent the wheel again. 99.99% of the time, they just end up complicating it.
Nothing wrong with trying to perfect the wheel.
>Also, it looks like the slide would eat your hand for lunch.
If you don't know how to hold a hand gun and/or have whale flippers as hands.
Looks like a Glock fucked a CZ-75B/Hi-Power and this is what came out, I mean liike like we have a cam on the barrel, tilts and locks, and if availble in polymer and aluminum sounds like a SP-01/P01 etc
Made in italy and they have some knowhow in copying CZ's (Tanfolgio/Witness anyone?)
Let's see it in some real action and see how it does... looks like its got some potential and maybe 5 more years of customer input should help them out in getting a better arm.
Sorry Anon, but one of the basic requirements I mentioned was that the gun has to be a pistol.
And before you say it, the magazine has to be inside the grip if its a semi-automatic weapon. Yes, I've thought about trying to qualify with a M92.
Hate to break it to you, but 10mm Auto is a special snowflake niche caliber that never caught on and never will because it recoils too hard for many smaller framed people and women in militaries, police forces, and government agencies.
Uhhh. Ya, they kinda do pay out of pocket. They are given a budget and the brass has to approve of every purchase they make. They are taxpayer funded but they do not have unlimited funds.
Also, your duty gun does not equal "tacticool gear". My department supplies us with a Glock 19, a baton, cuffs, radio, belt, uniform, and some other gizmos I'm probably forgetting. They do NOT belong to me, EVERYTHING I just said is department property. If you want to use anything else, it comes out of YOUR wallet and your buying it on YOUR time.
No, the police department will not buy me a gold deagle brand deagle using your money.
>If you want to use anything else, it comes out of YOUR wallet and your buying it on YOUR time.
As it should be. I'm sure this doesn't always stand true and there are discrepancies in this though. There are plenty of other state jobs where people abuse tax payer money and I wouldn't put it past them to do this.
Magpul should make a polymer framed version of this pistol and optimize it for space like their new gen4 Pmags.
>a new era of space guns is upon us
My department issues us the ..Glock 37 and 39... Since I work for the State; I have to pay a $350 "accusation fee" to replace my duty sidearm and it is a pain in the ass and expensive to get qualified on a different caliber. If went with a simple 9x19mm handgun it would be $880 (have to buy your ammunition, magazines, spare parts, etc) and multiple that by 5.89%; per the caliber. That this is the cost it takes to get a different caliber sidearm in my department.
My Glock 31 was $1,037.22.
It wasn't when I switched sidearms. Our Union got that changed within 24 months and threatened to sue the State if we were not reimbursed. That would have been a $250 to $400 million lost for the State if our Union Lawyers had won the suit. So, I got $1,050 back on my State Taxes.
They bought into Glocks propaganda of .45 GAP being revolutionary(pun intended).
Yes; any handgun that is not designated "official". You have to pay out of pocket. I use the Glock 39 for my back up sidearm because I do not feel like paying another $1,000+ for a Glock 33.
You aren't soldiers, No one respects you, deal with it.
I am with Troop 6 now. I was with Troop 3 originally. I live in Moncks Corner.
Truly the garbage of humanity on par with the niggers they deal with.
I work on the ACE Team. That means we deal specifically with Interstate(I-95, I-26, I-20, I-85, I-385) trafficking of narcotics.
No bur I can check on the status for you for "official purposes". What is the make, model and year and why was it confiscated? You need to tell me truth. So, I can find the log and serial number in the State database.
>Magpul should make a polymer framed version of this pistol and optimize it for space like their new gen4 Pmags.
>optimize it for space like their new gen4 Pmags.
>optimize it for space
>like their new gen4 Pmags.
I.. I can't...
No, that's just dumb. It's not the wild west out there, he's not a fucking cowboy. It's irresponsible to carry an antique firearm on duty, I don't care how good you are with it, you're going to be at a big disadvantage against anybody with modern weaponry. He could get himself or a coworker killed because he wants to be a special snowflake.
That's great, you are corrupt, have no ethics and are completely indifferent about it. Good for you, however, don't complain and whine like a child when people correctly point out that cops are degenerate human garbage.
I have a good friend whose opinion I trust above just about anybody's on firearms, he's as much of an expert as anybody. He checked out a Strike One at SHOT show and said everything about it seemed solid, except the trigger, which he said was only average at best.
it was taken because i forgot to put it in my center console when going to a friends house in sc. i always leave it on the seat because nc has open carry and i don't have a ccp.
it was a metro arms 1911 american classic ll and i bought it new in 2013.
the case was dismissed but because i did a program i had to forfeit my gun and was never told i couldn't get it back.
Okay, I will check on it for you. It should have never been taken in the first. You can keep a concealed handgun in your vehicle without a SC CWP as long as the ammunition is stored separate. If it was not in plain sight of the deputy and was found during a search. That would void the probable cause to confiscate it. Trying calling them as well and contact a Lawyer to see if they can help you. If you lawyer up you should have it back within the year. Departments do not want a possible law suit hanging over them.
Do you remember the original deputy/deputies name(s) or badge number(s)(the one(s) who found the 1911 first)? That would help a lot with the lawyer. A Personal and Department lawsuit is usually settled in a favorable manner to the Plaintiff.
it was loaded because i open carry in nc. i already talked to the sheriffs dept. and they said they don't give guns back to people who go through pti.
i spoke to a lawyer( before pti) but it would cost more to hire him than the gun is worth.
the only way the sheriffs dept. said i could get my gun back was if the sheriff gives the ok but they said he never does that and he told me that it's policy so he wont.
That Sheriff sounds like a real dick head. I will suggest that you contact SCSLED and start an official complaint against the sheriff's department - South Carolina State Law Enforcement Division.
>imagine a pistol with the same action type and with Magpul tier ergonomics and looks
pls do it
>he never does that and he told me that it's policy so he wont.
I bet he has an awesome gun collection. You should ask if you can go to his house and see it some time...as a fellow enthusiast and all.
As far as "common" pistols go, I know the Caracal and Steyr models are going to be hard as hell to beat. Is the strike one lower then those two? Doubtful, but maybe. Even if it is there are quite a few uncommon pistols that have ridiculous bore axis. Low axis? Yes. Lowest ever in history? No.
As for cycle time, there are TONS of pistols that cycle faster.
If I recall only 3 were made. Why they wouldn't mass produce and sell this design is a fucking mystery of biblical magnitude to me.
Cannot remember what it was called.
Nope, that's it. Notice how the bore is directly in line with where the web between your thumb and index finger would sit.
The hammer and the feed ramp are the same part. Think about that. The hammer is the feed ramp.
Yeah, those ones are polymer framed, I believe. These ones aren't, however.
> no olive drab version
Also, is that powdercoat aluminum or what?
It's anodized, apparently.
They also have an olive drab version, but in the polymer framed version.
>Lowest bore axis of any semi-auto pistol in history
the suggestion that the cycle time -- which is measured in that video in the 0.4-0.6 MILLISECOND range -- is relevant in any way to follow-up shot speed is absolutely fucking laughable. the recoil characteristics of the weapon are far and away the most important factor.
that is to say, the strike one's low-bore-axis layout is not just the most important contributor to fast follow-up shots... it is the ONLY contributor. the cycling time is literally completely and totally irrelevant.
a faster cycling time amplifies muzzle rise.
and it wastes ammo faster, shit for brains.
all modern pistols cycle at least two orders of magnitude faster than the point at which it loses all relevance. cycle times are now so fucking fast that we are WELL into the range where "gee, any faster is actually harmful" is really, no shit, it's a thing now.
Cyclic rate of the strike one is said to be 1350rpm. A few that exceed that are:
Not that cyclic rate means fuckall on a semiauto pistol, anyway.
>a faster cycling time amplifies muzzle rise
Not necessarily true.
>and it wastes ammo faster, shit for brains
If you don't want to waste ammo DON'T SHOOT THE FUCKING GUN you fucking retarded nigger.
believe it or not, there actually is a reason people have spend thousands and thousands of man-hours developing reliable, durable systems for reducing the cyclic rate of fire of machine guns.
aaand if you had an attention span of more than 0.046 milliseconds, you'd see that this whole discussion stems from my note earlier that the only impact of the high cyclic rate of fire of the strike one would be to make it dogshit in a machine pistol conversion.
no, i noticed that the czechs implemented one at the cost of reliability and that they're unpopular, but to suggest that there's been no effort or desire to keep rate of fire down below the cyclic rate of the strike one would be, well, wrong.
A high rate of fire doesn't inherently make a machine pistol/sub machinegun/PDW dog shit you fucking retarded faggot.
It's actually a desirable trait for some people. Maybe YOU wouldn't want one (you've probably never even fired a full auto gun anyway). That doesn't mean nobody wouldn't want one.
i've fired more submachineguns than i can remember.
so, okay, a high cyclic rate of fire does not inherently make a machine pistol dogshit. (we are only talking about machine pistols here, obviously, since the strike one is a standard-layout handheld pistol). does it provide any advantage at all? really? returning to battery a couple of millionths of a second earlier is going to give you faster follow-up shots?
see, the reality is that a high cyclic rate of fire, for a machine pistol laid out like a standard handheld pistol, is a very real and tangible liability. it might work out, but the odds are it will work against that conversion. meanwhile, there is literally no practical conceivable advantage to the strike one's cyclic rate at all. none. zero. absolutely nothing.
other than people like you, having a worthless, ignorant, faggotron youtube wank over it.
so shut the fuck up.
It's not a rotating mechanism.
The locking block and barrel are two separate pieces. The barrel is on rails within the frame, and slides backwards during recoil, and the locking block falls downwards. The barrel slides forward and the locking block raises and locks with the barrel at the end of the cycle. There is no rotation.
Well, it is probably a good thing to keep the cops' arsenals to be up to date, as they do need every advantage they can get. Cops usually get drastic discounts from firearms manufacturers too.
>there is literally no practical conceivable advantage to the strike one's cyclic rate at all. none. zero. absolutely nothing.
That's where you're fucking wrong, dipshit.
Quit acting like you're some fucking expert in firearms technology because you're clearly not. You make fucking stupid ass claims as if you're the end all be all weapons expert of all of 4chan.
YOU shut the fuck up, you arrogant faggot piece of shit.
No its not with taxpayer money. They have access to fully automatics unlike civilians and they don't deserve special privileges on foreign guns just because they are tired of their Sig P226s and Glocks. They can use whatever the department issues or buy their own but they don't need shit like HKs that for all intents and purposes shoot the same as cheaper guns just because they can buy them on the taxpayer's dime.
no, i am absolutely serious and completely right. there is no advantage whatsoever to the pistol cycling .00002 seconds faster than a glock. it is literally black-and-white, open-and-shut, absolutely and totally meaningless.
no, it's more like there's no advantage to 9mm moving at 1000.02 feet/sec instead of 1000 feet/sec. which would be a larger difference than arsenal are claiming, and still instantly dismissed as totally irrelevant.
>no, i am absolutely serious and completely right
No you are fucking not. You are fucking WRONG. But you just can't accept that, can you? I've worked with dip shits just like you in the industry. You just can't accept the fact that you were proven wrong so you get your panties in a bunch and throw a bitch fit.
>I'M RIGHT YOU GUYS I'M SRS
Even if the difference in cyclic rate is negligible, THERE'S STILL A FUCKING DIFFERENCE. i.e. NON-ZERO, contrary to what you claimed.
you can measure it, but it's irrelevant to follow-up shots. not "mostly" irrelevant, no. absolutely and totally irrelevant. the mass of the pistol returning to the firing position takes about 50 times longer than the difference in time to return to battery. it was not important before, it's not important at an order of magnitude slower, and it's completely meaningless here.
no, not almost completely meaningless. it's not often i can go for an absolute claim, but this one is just too obvious.
Yes, that's absolutely correct. Anything over about 600rpm is a moot point without a f/a FCG.
Still though, going back into battery faster means less POA shift due to the mass of the slide moving back forward.
It's a negligible but present stat.
That's my bad. I am thinking of Grach. Pic related.
I really don't believe those numbers. I keep hearing claims about 100k rounds without cleaning. On the other hand, I keep hearing "I went crazy at the range and shot 500 through my X and it started jamming bad."
if the slide weighs the same, and is moving the same distance, then a faster return to battery is actually worse, because it means more energy is being stored in the recoil spring so that it can be released as a faster return to battery.
i don't think that's the case here, though. in this case, it's just completely meaningless.
We'd still be on wood rims with hundreds of spokes. If Volk didn't reinvent the wheel, we wouldn't have those sexy as fuck Volk TE37s
Course I don't believe we need to redesign the wheels since we got those. Those are the best damn looking import wheel ever since 1996.
Now back to your /k/ topic
no, it's really only physics. you seem to be thinking about a pistol that's been welded to a half-ton lead sled being fired in a vacuum. you need to be thinking about the pistol-hand-arm system. getting the thing back into battery a fraction of a millisecond faster is literally totally irrelevant. the pistol must return to target, and it weighs a couple of pounds. it's not just that the time saved by closing the slide faster is insignificant. it's actually not a contributing factor to follow-up shot time at all.
so, seriously, just fucking swallow it.
Not him but I like my shotguns and hunting rifles with wood furniture and as a rule l like wood more overall. Though I do like "tactical" style configurations on more modern firearms . Plus battle rifles like the FAL and G3 don't sit right with me when they have wood furniture and vice versa is true for ak style rifles.
are you being paid by some really ill-advised importer, or are you actually so stupid that you think the time required to close the slide affects how quickly you can get back on target in any way?
are you australian?
no, no, and no.
You already lost the argument. Just give up.
for a while i was trying to help you. now i'm just trying to diagnose what the fuck is wrong with you.
there was never a contest between us. nobody with three brain cells is stupid enough to think that a pistol cycling 0.000002 seconds faster actually improves follow-up shot time.
>because it recoils harder, has a longer case length, and performs worse/almost exactly the fucking same as 40s&w
135gr 40s&w: 1350fps
135gr 10mm: 1328fps
>4 inch barrel
10mm lel epic maymay is just that.
I am not guaranteeing what I said. I just remember reading some russian expert's criticism of it years ago. It's the company that makes pic-related, and they still have some hardcore USSR engineers left, so who knows.
It's hard to say, I don't necessarily believe that Russian companies BS more than US/European companies, at least on weapons, but I do believe that ALL bs a lot. So it's hard to say without US civilians having it.
It may or may not. Theoretically it should. The numbers don't lie. Would you feel a difference? Probably not. You keep saying it absolutely would not make a difference, which is wrong.
You're an idiot.
no, theoretically it shouldn't, because the direction and magnitude of the recoil impulse are the only things affecting deflection from the target, and therefore the recovery therefrom (which, ideally, must be the same motion merely in reverse). on any pistol, the slide is already returning to battery long before the center of gravity of the hand-pistol system even moves at all, and is long, LONG before the hand-pistol system's center of gravity begins to return down and forward toward the target.
no, seriously. i am not stretching here to cover up some minor, theoretical thing. it is of absolutely no relevance, and i am using the word "absolutely" in a completely literal way.
deal with it.
You assume a machine pistol is dog shit solely because of a high rate of fire. That's a fallacy. Then you go on to claim that you are absolutely serious and completely right.
if you can't even distinguish the two separate claims i've made, then i can't see how i can help you. you don't seem to be functionally illiterate, so all i can really do is just estimate that you've got an IQ of about 40.
>not marketing hype
they're polishing their dicks over two thousandths of a millisecond cycle time, i think it's safe to say they're deep in the heart of marketing hype territory.
do you know if they will be optimizing the reinforced AK PMAGs for space? i want to make sure i have the right cartridge feed platform for my weapon system if i ever find myself in orbit.
because I'm sure that was a 100% control group right. With the exact same manufacturer, using the same bullet and same powder from the same batch and deviation in no way occurs. That isn't even a hot load for 10mm and its a damn snappy load in .40S&W. When .40 can run a 230gr hcwc at 1100fps then you can talk. Until then keep comparing .38spl +p to low ball .357mag
>lowest bore axis
Lower than a Mateba?
>>lowest bore axis
Never heard of the margolin?
Well, technically speaking, the distance between the web of your hand and the barrel seems to be greater on the Margolin, it's just it's positioned below the web, instead of above it.
>i've fired more submachineguns than i can remember
I'm calling bullshit on that.
If that were true you would have said something like "In my experience sub machine guns with high rates of fire are not good to shoot because__________.
When it can easily shoot groups like this at 15 yards then I will be impressed. Until then i will stick with this pistol. This firearm is designed to make poor shooters good and good shooters great. So far all I see from the Strike One is gimicks without any real results.
well, the worst i've shot have been uzis, with their stupid high rate of fire. but of course rate of fire is not everything -- the thompsons i've fired have all been relatively slow, but more difficult to control than average because they are very poor ergonomically. there is simply a general trend that higher rates of fire make for a nastier user experience.
I've shot my uncle's friends' Thompson and besides going all over the place I don't get much muzzle rise. I've also shot the Super V in that Vegas range and its actually very controllable.
>not wanting mg42 rates of fire in your pdw
Just to clarify, bore axis measured from the center of the palm on the dominant hand. This is from way back in the days before the Isosceles and Weaver stance; guns were shot one handed then. The mechanics of recoil was well known to shooters in the flintlock era and the Queen Anne pistols are an example of a design that has low recoil.
The top of the hand/trigger finger bore axis measurement is bullshit salesmen talk about, the real concern on semi autos and recoil is the weight of the moving mass which is of course the force of recoil.
Citation: 2nd law of motion
>americans will get this gun before I will
????? ????? god Damn politicians don't want the general peoples to own guns because theire corrupted motherfuckers. I canot wait to move to the usa... whenever i have money
>That would have been a $250 to $400 million lost for the State if our Union Lawyers had won the suit.
No, it would have been 250 to 400 million lost for the people who pay taxes. How about you use a goddamn billy club like real men used to use.
Seem's like you are the one getting anally annihilated over this
For $600 or less I'm interested, bring it down to $500 and I'll buy quickly. I know it will be more, but I'm just not a huge polymer gun fan. I have a G21. G41, and G30, but I only have those because I got stupid good deals on them and because they do work pretty well. I really prefer my Sigs for carry.
That said the Strike One is novel enough to buy.
>MFW MIGHT be able to buy one 50yrs later as a C&R assuming pistols don't get banned completely by then.
Guess I'm stuck with muh Glock.
Good to know you are full of shit and would fill out a captcha to tell someone to do thier own research and then call them a faggot.
I know, see how easy it was? Why don't you do that next time? (:^)
we can help you throught this
>no we cant
Wish the blue and red aluminum ones were coming out