OK, now we can continue circle jerking about milsurp firearms collecting.
>not displaying your rifle on your dirty pillows
Bought this yesterday at the flea market.
How do I take care of it, and more importantly how do I fix it?
I got my nugget back when they were selling for $80-90, and haven't really done much with it other than cosmoline cleaning and putting a couple dozen rounds through it. But it's in decent shape, and now that I have a nicer place I'm planning on putting it on my wall. My problem is, that I absolutely cannot get the bayonet to lock into place, this is as far as I got after 5-10 min of beating on it with a mallet. I thought about buying a dremel to grind the inside of the bayonet, but I fear I'm gonna fuck something up, should I go for it comrades?
Well, they are nearly impossible to take on and off by hand. I often use a rubber mallet, but generally i never try to mount the bayonets at all.
Yeah it's a no4 mk1. I was hoping I could save it. Any ideas?
oh my god i bet they used military grade tan spray, we used that to cover up damage on hmmvs and hemmits and to cover rust. That shit isnt coming off the wood, and you are going to have to gently, GENTLY rub it off the metal with a very potent cleaner. Here lemme try and find a link
The sad part is the rifle is in excellent condition besides the paint. Shiny bore, not a spot of rust on the internals.
Bought my first mosin yesterday - a 1931 Izhevsk 91/30 Hex receiver. Got it for $165 off armslist
Here's a picture of it next to my wasr
Alright, i'll do what I can with it. The old gal was made in 1943, it pains me to look at it this way.
I've done 2 transactions on armslist before.
1. I sold an ak74 with a barrel problem to a gunsmith. He was very kind.
2. I bought the mosin from some college student. He was also very nice and seemed a bit regretful about selling it, but he said he wanted to save up for an ar-15.
Also, all numbers on the rifle match, including the bayonet.
>rifle was consumed by flame of Soviet patriotism
>not mine, but fucking awesome
Best of luck to you brave anon. You are doing the lord's work.
I'm completely broke right now and I forgot to buy cleaning supplies for my Mosin. I went through about 60 rounds this week and I haven't cleaned it yet.
What can I use to clean it? If I wait will it have any negative effects on the rifle?
Today I handed in Copy 2 of my C&R application to the Sheriffs office and for about 5 minutes the clerk thought I was turning in paperwork to be able to purchase and own supressors. I had to sit there and show him where it says in the insturctions that you have to submit Copy 2 to a CLEO and the guy had no fuckign clue what was going on. I think he just gave up trying to understand and kind just took my papers which were not stapled or paper clipped and non-nonchalantly tossed it on a desk behind him. Pretty sure theyre gonna lose it. Sent the other bit of work to the ATF earlier. So we'll see if I end up with a C&R or a license to own suppressors in a month or so.....
Well fuck you I'm in Florida.
Disassemble the rifle and look up how to remove stain from wood. Guitar forums have a TON of information on how to properly strip something without damaging it.
You should have poured water down the barrel the hour you were done shooting. Your bore can get messed up very quickly if you don't wash away the corrosive primer residue immediately. This is assuming you shot surplus ammo though.
You don;t have cleaning supplies? Was it corrosive ammo? Do you have the nugget cleaning kit and the cleaning rod? If so, you can used improvised methods of cleaning and it would be acceptable. Make sure to pour water down the barrel and then dry after mechanically cleaning some of the carbon fouling out of the bore as part of the cleaning though. You can re-oil the barrel with motor oil or some shit.
>the $12.5K nugget
I've contracted the affliction because that no longer seems unreasonable.
>more shit that's not mine, i'll be posting more stuff that's not mine
>Never shoot a 1941 Johnson. Ever.
I guess I'll keep beating on it with the mallet, I'm planning on making it a wall hanger, and only really taking it down to go play innawoods once a year or so.
Yeah I really only got the major spots, mind helping a milsurp newbie out? Whats the SOP for cosmo cleaning?
This is so retarded but would lemon oil work?
I literally just bought this gun and it's obviously my first gun.
I can get mine on and off by hand with ease. Why does everyone else seem to have problems fitting it on there?
>i'll be posting more stuff that's not mine
Yeah, the SAT m/91 I posted here: >>22347666 (second from right)
I was offered an all original nearly excellent condition G.43 in trade for this Mosin once. I turned it down without a second thought. There was one Mosin i lost in an auction when my bid was over $1.7k. I have two other Mosins that are worth over $1.5k. There are Mosins worth respectable amounts now, and they are gaining in popularity and value every year.
well fugg man, if you manage to restore the stock in the future post the results
lol, because i have a few expensive Mosins? There are guys with "better" ones and a lot more of them than I, like the guy with the SAT m/91.
Whats the value of an M28?
Alright, righteous. Operation Remove Coyote 2: Canine Cancer begins this weekend.
Would anyone be interested in seeing close range (20 feet) night time coyote extermination with a Mosin?
Not that anon, but collecting in general really is a pointless venture.
It eats up a lot of your time, gets boring, doesn't offer you much in terms self-worth and you generally do not get back the money you put in.
But you bet your ass I would smuggle an AVT40 into this country.
If they were so great there'd still be a Soviet Union in my atlas.
It is one of less than ten known in the world of the run of the first 200 Mosins ever built by Finland. It is a very historic piece. The grandfather of all of modern Finnish arms production.
In the future we may be talking about how it "only" sold for $12.5k like we are with the Singer M1911A1'a now.
Like $300-$450 for a normal one.
The Russians cast the Mosin aside, that was why the Soviet Union failed, but Finland remains.
I don't know much about nuggets, but while all the parts on mine have matching numbers stamped on them, the bayonet's is totally different. So yours might be the correct one while many other ones aren't. But again I'm just making a wild guess.
>Would you buy a rare svt 40?
>What if a full retard avt 40 was available to you?
I have a non-refurbished SVT-40 on my short list to acquire.
Fuck the NFA, but yeah I'd like to own one no doubt.
I collect WW2 rifles, FYI.
its like you think there's more than one answer
my body is ready
Yeah mine fits just fine, I put it through a coyote the other night.
Milsurp greentext time.
>coyotes decide they want to eat my sister's chickens
>been interested in firearms and wanted to get one
>grab a mosin for 175
>practice in the woods with it
>wait outside her house at night
>carry brother-in-law's glock as a sidearm
>coyote comes up
>gets within 10 feet of me
>I stand up and fire at it
>hit it in the shoulder
>it charges me
>I load another round
>stab it with the bayonet
>pull the trigger while the gun is stuck in the fucking dog
>pull my sidearm out and drop the mosin
>fire another round into the coyote's skull
>no more coyote
Never hunted anything before, fucking terrifying.
Now I want to do it a million more times.
Even my factory original, matching bayonet for my 1943 Izhevsk is fucking impossible to take on and off by hand.
They specifically collect G.43's i guess. Personally, I find that specific of collecting a little boring which is why I am making a large overview collecting of WW2 rifles in general. There are a ton of different things and ti always stays new and interesting..
secondary market bro. How the hell do you think I'm doing it? C&R still super useful.
>but Finland remains.
When can their glory fade?
Yeah I know, but you get one I mean though?
Like, who first gave that much of a shit about numbers or stampings or markings to warrant so many goddamn rifles?
Why not just grab the rarest one out there hang on your wall and a cheap one to shoot?
Again, not hating on collectors but it just doesn't make sense to me
My old trapdoor does wonders for target shooting, but is really poorly balanced for carrying and shooting from the shoulder. I've been thinking of getting a Swedish Mauser for innawoodsing, but I'm worried that the cock-on closing action will be difficult to do left-handed. Can someone tell me how light it is, or can be made to be? The alternative is a Ross, because dat straight pull.
He probably collected all of the makers, years and major types or something. I think just doing that would make like 15+ rifles.
I totally get what you're saying though. Unless I really, really like a rifle type i won't try to get more than two or three of them and each one will be significantly different in some way. Some I just get one example and call it a day. For example, I know I am going to get a G.43, but i don't think I would actively try to acquire more than one, maybe two (one early, one late or something), before i would more on to something totally different (like a G.41! lol).
Guess we just chalk that up to good old Slav workmanship then.
Jesus Christ, I hunt, but that'd require an underwear change for me. good luck in the future Comrade, glad your Mosin gets to fight against invaders again.
You guys ever thought about where these milsurps like nuggets have been?
>1941, 40+ year old russian women machining these things out
>haven't slept for 5 days, all their sons are at the front and they want to give them all they can
>can only listen to the politburo's updates on the radio day in and day out
>rifles completed, ship out
>young khulikov receives the rifle, freshly recruited from siberia
>fights for a few months before dying on the field, clinging to his rifle for dear life
>gun finds a new owner, repeats until war is over
>stashed away for 60 years
>shipped to fudd shop in kentucky
>now belongs to a 300lb fatburger who takes pictures of his dick in the bore
Makes me real fuckin' depressed sometimes, /k/...
i hope to see my Alina remove kraut again someday. or kebab, taco, syrup, rice, starving norks. who knows, but she'll be ready
He's a pretty cool guy. Finnish rifles are only one part of my collection, so there are a ton of other guys I'm also equally jelly of, but Sparky has more buying power than I and he has beaten me at a few auctions!
I seem to be one of the very few actually serious overview WW2 rifle collectors for some reason. Most of the guys as advanced as I am are more so focus only on one country or one set of action designs or something. I seem to get around to a lot of the different subgroups on Gunboards. My next two acquisitions are from Axis satellite states and the rifles aren't Mausers or Mosins!
IMO, the collections hat most impress me there are Vic, John Wall, and JPS. Sparky sure does have a world class Finnish rifle collection now though! He's probably one of the very best of the guys that hasn;t been in the collecting game since the dawn of time like some of those old guys.
CE 43 sporter rescue. Matching action though.
>why do matching K98 bayonets have to be so expensive
I had 8 at one point, but i decided to sell some of my Finnish collection to get more variety. I now have probably even more Finnish rifles than i did back then, but I "only" have 5 m/39's. One stright stock 1941 SAKO, one normal SAKO, one VKT, and two CG contract SAKO's. the only reason i have two CG ones is because one is unique. It has a typo in it's barrel shank markings. This is pretty much a "complete" m/39 collection for me. But, I may get a 1944 CG one just so i can have all three dates and because the 1944 is a little historically interesting being the last CG rifles ever (also pretty damn uncommon too).
Bought her as a mixmaster with many worn smaller parts. I spent weeks scouring gunbroker and ebay until I got all of the correct stampings for the entire rifle. I am very pleased with the results.
>I spent weeks scouring gunbroker and ebay until I got all of the correct stampings for the entire rifle.
And just because they're made by the same manufacturer doesn't make them "correct" for that rifle, nor the time period of when that rifle was made.
People like you is the reason why I haven't bothered trying to get into American weapons. I need to do a lot of homework to find a REAL gun that is correct, not some turd's put together rifle.
I paid very careful attention to detail: matched bluing rather than arsenal refit parkerization on parts, eagle stamp vs. no eagle stamp, arsenal refit stock with inspection markings etc. I did a pretty thorough job, and frankly I don't plan on selling it, although if I did, I would certainly explain it properly. I don't mind calling it correct colloquially, although if you have to shit on my project, fine, be a dick I guess.
Got my nugget yesterday for $200, it was made in 38, so the build quality is generally a bit better than the ones made during th'waarrrr, so I think I got a pretty okay deal on it. Came with bayonet and disassembly tools.
I forgot to answer your question. I dunno, look at the photos. It felt really good to breathe new life into a chopped up piece of fudd shit. At the very least, it looks, feels, smells etc. perfect and it is a joy to fire.
>people like you is
Oh, okay, never mind. Go to bed, Uncle Cletus.
The manufactures didn't mark every part and they all made them differently. Matching up bluing just does that. Oh, and some were originally parkerized too. Most of the stock stamps are WWII or later. What are you trying to "correct" it as? And you literally spent more money than you would have if you just bought an original one outright.
I lurked Gunboards for a few years before I actually had anything worthwhile to finally join, and I really wish I joined earlier than I did. I mean I learned a lot just being a guest and reading and learning but I've learned so much more just by being a part and being able to ask questions, and even simple chit chatting with the knowledgeable folk opens more doors to learn more about military firearms.
I mean I think all of the Finnish service rifles are cool, but the Civil Guard rifles just have a certain "flair" (for lack of a better word) to them that makes them interesting. I don't know how else to explain it. Production numbers and value aside, if there were two identical rifles in front of me, one Army and one Civil Guard, and I was allowed to leave the room with only one of them I'd take the Civil Guard rifle. They're just "different" somehow.
And I know what you mean about overview WWII collecting. I grew up loving WWII and when I turned 18 I, like many, wanted one rifle from each major power in the war. I wasn't very knowledgeable about the specifics and I wasn't very serious about it but I bought a lot of rifles for a teenager. I can totally see where you're coming from wanting specifics from multiple countries, especially while being knowledgeable about the rifles you're buying and being a history buff.
Out of my 19 guns 11 are milsurp rifles; the most from one country being 4 Finnish rifles because I had a hard on for the Winter War when I was young, and as I learn more specifics about other service rifles from other countries I find myself wanting more, especially while they're still available and relatively cheap.
Sorry for wall of text
Buddy, you have absolutely no idea how much I spent. Honestly, it wasn't all that much.
Almost all Eddystone parts are marked with an "E", although of course there are some that are not, as you said. I didn't say that I did any one of those things up there. What I said I did was research diligently and put the thing together as conscientiously as possible using *some of the guidelines I listed, and the result is a rifle with an excellent bore, headspacing and curb appeal that I doubt many people could finger as being mixed originally if at all. You sound like a bitter retard, but I appreciate your babby's-first-1917-tier advice and critiques.
>Almost all Eddystone parts are marked with an "E"
Yes, I know since I have a book on the rifle.
>You sound like a bitter retard, but I appreciate your babby's-first-1917-tier advice and critiques.
You're the one butthurt that I don't like your "correctizing." And you still spent far more making your perfect turd than just buying one.
You don't know what you're talking about. All you are doing is making a fantasy piece bubba! Please do no ruin any more rifles.
>inb4 "you don't know what your talking about"
Yeah, I do newfag.
Now this is doing good.
"Correctizing" a rifle that WAS historically is bubbaing a no bueno mr. other M1917 newfag anon!
Heh, If you were even able to point anything out, you would have done so by now. Okay though, since you know how much I spent and you have one book on a gun you don't own (this is my second after my 1918 pristine Remington, and you should really work with more than one information source) you win the argument.
>come back to /k/ after evading cancer for a couple of years
>post a project I had fun doing
>some broke weeb armchair gunsmith throws a fit immediately
And, back to opch it is.
*WAS already historically correct*
Newsflash: US rifles that have spent a lot of time in service and been through at least one refurbishment are SUPPOSED to be mixmasters.
My other Mauser. I'm going to splice a VZ24 stock on the end of it here one of these days.
Good. Get the fuck back to that shithole you moron. I don't want to hear about how to irreversibly modified a previously nice rifle because you wanted to see all of the same little letters and finish types on all of the parts out of some OCD or autistic emotional drive of some sort.
Such a nice stock. Thanks bubba. Though it was probably done by whoever bought it back so I can't really hate them for it. At least they didn't sand it.
>collects crude slavshit in every possible variation in the vain hope that just maybe, some day in the far future, someone will perhaps notice some slight variation at the range that will justify spending thousands of dollars on a 3-ton kindling pile of peasant rifles.
>some OCD or autistic emotional drive of some sort.
That's sort of the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it. Kek.
Oops, i notice that you fixed a bubba, sorry about the mistake opch faggot. BUT, you still did it wrong with your "correctizing."
opch is full of the most stubborn idiots and neckbeards. If you identify with them more than us who have open discussions and actually like to make posts merely for fun then please for the love of go LEAVE AND NEVER COME BACK. We may have day/k/are, but at least were aren't opch.
I collect WW2 rifles to include two mixmaster M1917's (because this is the historically correct configuration and how they came).
I guess everything that has a bolt action that isn't US or German is slavshit to you though huh?
GTFO already. opch literally is worse cancer than day/k/are.
I really do mess that Chinese shortened M1917.
Get some Nitromors or something like that, it'll take the stock back to bare wood. Scrub the fuck out of it. Then scrub the wood down with white spirits to get all the chems and gunk out.
After that let it dry completely, out of the sun, and then hit it with almighty amounts of raw linseed oil for about a month leaving 48 hours between aplications for it to dry in the shade.
The metal will be harder, I'd start it some paraffin and a bit of sctochbrite.
I'm not even from "opch" I just think bullying is wrong.
I don't know man. I'm not going to lie. I'm kind of disappointed. I actually didn't want to post it over there for those exact reasons and thought that old /k/ would at least see the fun of trying to salvage something that was beyond fucked up back toward something that was at least pretty to look at and would take a serious second look from someone knowledgable before its previous days as a dirty orphan became apparent.
But no, a progenitor of "posts merely for fun" has to go and be a douchebag about the entire thing. I own much better guns, but this was a labor of love that I may have gone off the deep end with, due to enthusiasm.
I think Enfield stock care calls for BLO, not raw. One of the two is only a substitute, and i think it is raw, with BLO being the preferred primary finish. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Guys I am filled with regret..I found a mosin nagant 91 all original all match with the natching bayonet and on top of that no import markings and its never been rearsenaled problem is the bore was shot out and was 300 dollars. Should I go back and buy it?
Hey, up to you as your taste goes, but the rifle was actually never rebarreled with an HS and was original to the receiver, so I saw the chance to make a WWI clone and took it just because I thought it would be nice to do. As for those guys, I must admit that I legitimately didn't think about it that way. Fair point, although I would really have to assume that with the price of them, there can't be a huge incentive to do that with a nice rifle.
You did good fixing a horribly bubaed rifle, but the whole correctizing thing was taking it too far. It taints the hell out of the pool of rifles. Searching for a legit all original one is like walking through a minefield and properly ID'ing one takes some serious skill. Making historical observations based off of the pool of rifles is often possible for some types of rifles, but it is impossible in some ways now for US rifles. It is all thanks to people like you. Quite literally thanks to you, and people just like you, collecting US rifles is very difficult to do without being ripped off and research is far more difficult or impossible.
THAT is where the anger against you stems from. That and opch is shit.
Oh yeah, that. FUCK those guys!
A US made one? If not, are you sure it was an M91 and not an M91/30? If it is an M91, the go back!
Also, since I see that you guys enjoy a good cringe take a really close look at the stockless barreled receiver (top) in pic >>22349215 which is what I pulled most of my parts off of (came almost read to fire for $70). Someone did some very special work around the muzzle with a drill. Also, it required a dye test, but the receiver is cracked so it's probably just as well for humanity that it was bought by someone who didn't plan on firing it.
Maybe you aren't so bad. Just stop correctizing man. Also don't mention opch. STOP TRIGGERING ME CIS SCUM I mean, that place annoys me.
>tfw you don't know if you should drink more or less.
>Hey, up to you as your taste goes, but the rifle was actually never rebarreled with an HS and was original to the receiver
And? Most have their original barrels. In fact, the only reason why so many were rebarreled was because the barrels weren't greased on a good number when they were put into storage. The US Army did not want them, so in 1919 they literally crated them all up and warehoused them. So sitting around for 20 years with moisture in the barrels ruined a lot of barrels.
>although I would really have to assume that with the price of them, there can't be a huge incentive to do that with a nice rifle.
There are plenty of people like you out there.
Was it an Eddystone? They were known to crack when barrels were removed. The US Army post-war had to direct that all rebarreled Eddystones as unsafe and that the DCM should not sell them to the public.
Did your wife just leave you? Holy shit, psycho, calm the fuck down. I just said 10 seconds ago:
> I don't plan on selling it, although if I did, I would certainly explain it properly
Stop venting your anger over someone trying rip you off 6 months ago at someone who has no intention of doing that to anyone. Christ man, I honestly remember you from a while back and I don't ever remember you being this way.
So long as it isn't bubbaed anyway.
Worse case, it is a normal M91 and $300 is within the normal price.
Plus, a lock ring M91 bayonet is worth like $50-$120
Nah, I have my M1917 and i am one of the guys that can spot legit stiff, so I know just how difficult it really is.
And what about after it leaves your hands? It will be passed off as a fake by other people. Gun buying is caveat emptor by nature man.
Stop reading everything pretending I am yelling at you. I know you are a sub, but seriously.
Absolutely it was an Eddystone. The over-brittle heat treat fracture brought on by the HS rebarreling is the kind of legendary blunder that you hear about burning your uncle's best friend's cousin but can only find one or two actual documented instances of happening in real life. It's kind of like finding a sea monster in that I almost felt priveleged and amused, especially since it wasn't a shooter. If I can grab a better camera (as you so aptly pointed out, heh) I'll try to snap some decent photos of it so that people out there can get a better idea of the warning signs.
>There are plenty of people like you out there.
ehhh, come on now. You would really have to crank prices up to make back $6/700. I certainly didn't buy anything at a price that would turn a profit for someone taking down even a refurbished 1917.
I don't know. If you guys are really looking 40 years down the line here, I might suggest that you're a little on edge here, maybe.
Okay, okay, if it makes you feel any better I will faithfully disassemble the rifle upon being diagnosed with any terminal illness and scatter its components across the four compass points.
You guys come off a little strong, but I'm starting to see your point. I also sort of forgot about the bants here and it took me off guard a little. You're both alright guys.
Bump for day /k/. Iranian Mausers still in use.
Pretty cool pic
CMP Garand (although now you're stuck with Field Grade since the prices went up) , Egyptian Hakim, SKS.
I recommend the SKS. Extremely practical rifle that is fun to shoot and still relatively inexpensive to buy and feed.
Both. There are legit WW2 web ones to be found for pretty cheap, like $10-$20. The legit WW2 era leather ones probably should actually be used for shooting because the leather is old and weak now.
Instead of buying milsurp guns I've been buying milsurp clothes. Pay no attention to the Austrian pants, they're a place holder.
Now my M1 can feel at home again!
>tfw going to the range with all this on
Pretty damn cool! I kind of want to make up a Soviet WW2 uniform for obvious pic related reasons.
>original ww2 russian stuff is pretty hard to come by
I know, but i feel like i've gotten the hard part knocked out with the rifles.
this just makes plain sense
Here's a start. http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-SOVIET-RUSSIAN-M-43-UNIFORM-TUNIC-ORIGINAL-UNISSUED-WW2-SHOULDER-BOARDS-/201147076405?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ed54ccf35
They're petty cool. Well made and an interesting design, but also pretty well used (at least those two anyway).
I'm going for an overview WW2 rifle collection with some depth, so getting some Dutch rifles is pretty much mandatory for it in the long run. Accordingly, bough those two when decent deals presented themselves.
BTW, call them Mosins. A Nagant is a revolve. Nagant had arguably next to nothing to do with the Mosin rifle. He just complained about one design feature being similar to something he once designed, so to appease him, the Russian government called it Mosin-Nagant in some Western publications. Everywhere else the Russians referred to it as Mosin.
I know of three others in the world.
Hey, it's worth whatever someone would be willing to pay for it.
You never know, you might meet some collector who's most favorite thing in the entire world is Chinese modified foreign arms and he'd pay some huge amount for yours if yours is one of only three that you know of.
One of four, but yeah, maybe. I don't think it is worth all that much money right now though. It does have some well documented historical significance in addition to the rarity however (this has the potential to create some demand for it). We know what Chinese units used them, why they were made, when they were made, and where they were made (made for X-Force when they were retraining in India then used by them to retake Burma from Japan and then used by them during the Chinese Civil War until the unit was eventually destroyed in battle).
Unfortunately, there aren't many hard core Chinese WW2 rifle collectors and there are probably even less hard core general WW2 rifle collectors like me.
Left-handed shooting with the Swedish Mauser is no problem at all. They're usually smooth as silk. Plus the rifle itself is not very heavy. To me it feels to be about half the weight of a trapdoor.
Finally got some ammo. Probably going to take this one out tomorrow.