>no AK thread
For shame /k/.
Post AKs. Talk about AKs. Ask what you should get for your first AK and get predictable responses.
I bought my first AK, an M&M M10, a few weeks ago and the bolt carrier keeps getting hung up on something when I rack it back. I think it might be the hammer. Like, it'll cycle and everything but if I pull it back to a certain point it'll just stay there. What do?
Apologies for the shit quality, but it's 11PM. I just got done staining the furniture to make it match the AK-47 grip I used to replace the black TAPCO one. The Draco finally has a bakelite grip.
Almost all AK's do that. If it really bothers you then just file/sand/polish the hammer until it's slick with a constant curve. Otherwise, just don't ease the BCG forward. If you let it drop, it should never get hung up. If it still gets hung up even when you release the charging handle (don't guide it forward) that's when you have problems.
>that new gun feel
Does the wire folder work with the drum mag?
I tried to use the shemagh to get a better cheekweld...not so effective.
Dry fire it whilst holding down trigger, if it still catches enough to hold the bolt open during slow manual cycle then you need to polish the hammer or take a bastard file to it
During normal fire the hammer is held down by the disconnect which holds the hammer down lower than normal
AK newbie here, i'm about to buy my first AK.
What should I take into consideration when choosing between 7.62x39mm, 5.45x39mm, and 5.56x45mm?
Is there any reason to choose one over the other for personal preference?
I have zero experience with wood working and whatnot. What finish would I apply after I get where I want with BLO? I keep seeing how BLO doesn't hold up too well against the elements.
It hurts knowing that 7n6 was literally 14 cents a round back in march
If you're gonna get an ak or just one ak period, get one in 7.62x39. A good home defense ak would be 5.45x39 compared to 7.62x39. It's also worth noting that 5.45 shoots flatter than 7.62
you could put some modern crap over it, but it's fine as long as you don't, like, dunk it into the river for an hour, or wrap it up in damp towels and forget about it. basically once it's done you just put another coat on every 3-12 months.
And I forget the pic
That hand guard is not coming out
made from an rpk reciever, slightly thicker and heavier reciever, there's a rectangle under the charging handle that means rpk reciever
apparently they don't make them anymore but don't take my word for it
I'm so glad I bought that surplus Romanian 40 rounder. The two Bulgarian Bullet Mags that came with it were 100% polymer, even the feed lips and locking lugs. Fuck all of that shit.
(and i've already got plenty of bakelites and circle 10s, and as many ak-103 mags as i want to shell out for, so that's why i am asking if there's something... anything... other than the US palm ones)
I've learned to never immediately hop on a new AK mag wagon until the user reports start flooding in. Case in point, those Croat mags that recently showed up that are apparently dog shit.
toth tool has a circle 10 waffle mag clone, you can find a review on youtube by mrgunsngear
not sure how easy it is to find them but a quick search shows their site is out of stock
So you're saying one of the most commonly owned AKM's on the civilian market suddenly aren't considered AK's because they tend to be shit? That's like me saying Shrubmasters aren't AR15's.
What's worse are people like Mr. Gunsngear who drop the magazine in the dirt twice and shoot with it, and consider it to be some ultimate test of quality. I don't know why he bothers to upload the videos he does anymore.
Dis is what I'm doing. Gonna take me a while but if I'm getting an AK, I'm getting the best.
I've been seeing reports that there are feeding issues due to the thickness of the feed lips. I've seen at least one post here stating just this. Maybe those are just lemons, but I'm not ready to chance it when I can get surplus in great condition for the same price.
About $1000 worth of bullshit parts I've accumulated
>and more is on the way!
With the Toth tool mag he dropped it while it was in the rifle just a few times on a steel target. It only hit good once. The other times it just glanced off and wouldn't have damaged even the shittiest promag. He's fallen into the trend of producting quantity over quality and his reviews feel like they were filmed the same day he received the product.
If you just want an AK because you want an AK, get a new production WASR. They're actually pretty good quality, it's the old ones that sucked. Look for the triangle stamp on the receiver, means it was built on an actual military receiver, tend to have better QC than civilian made ones.
A new production WASR will eat everything you feed it and function flawlessly. It won't look pretty (can be changed with some TLC), but it does the job.
If you want something that looks and performs amazingly because you want to oper8 or some shit, then yeah, save and get an arsenal.
NPAPs are a little more expensive than WASRs but better made and definitely less expensive than arsenals. Their main downside is less of an aftermarket, but that's about it.
I meant surplus mags in general. If BHO is absolutely a requirement for you, then no. I have seen the BHO followers selling in packs for cheap, though.
The trunnions, mostly
All the parts in that shot are 74M/100-series
how much are those fucking stocks worth?
what are those fucking stocks?
would you give me a link?
not that guy, but still want to know why you spent a greater portion of $1000 on stocks
How long have you had yours?
arsenal 74 and wasr 47 sorry for the crap cellphone pic
My first AK was a WASR, when I was looking arond for AKs I didn't even realize it was a WASR until I saw that it was made in romania.
I'll be honest, I shoot way better with it than my Arsenal, or VZ.
It's a great gun. I hold 2 MOA consistently, although that's with off the shelf ammo. It's round count is still <100 and I haven't had any chances to put reloads through it yet.
Cons though, are that you have to use the Molot top mount, which has some issues (like the stupid quick release, notice I removed it) is the only way to mount a scope.
Also the muzzle blast is directed back at the shooter (and everyone within 10 feet). Having said that, adding the POSP has removed this effect, which is nice.
I am ecstatic with the gun though. It is gorgeous in person and extremely comfortable. I plan on keeping it for a long, long time.
Next step though, is getting the stock bedded, and hopefully get it shooting MOA or sub MOA.
Red Army Standard and Hot Shot both have factories in Romania. If there is money to be made, I guarantee they will make 5.45x39 in countries without import bans. 5.45x39 may dip for a bit, but it's going to remain a strong contender for AKs.
Wait, I mean, yes! 5.45 is kill. Don't buy any. Save it for me.
5.45 is high tech shit and bundled with the luxury of turkish walnut this Vepr rifle will bring style and cheer to burning villages
I'm pretty sure whatever you bought isn't the same as what was in that picture, but feel free to prove me wrong.
Really want to buy an AK through Atlantic Firearms, current prices for O-PAP and N-PAP are near a $100 difference i know the reciever is heavier and closer to a RPK style but how does that make a difference.
>I understand I am clueless but I'd like to make an informed decision
I'm not mad as fuck, and I'm waiting on him to post pics of an East German zig zag break and a 4.5mm trunnion with an Arsenal polymer stock so I can laugh, because I know there's no way he got the same parts I got for $500. If he does have a 5.5mm trunnion I'll wager 5 AK-103 mags that it's got the civilian cuts. Not that it's anybody's fault, but most people don't know the difference between a 74M brake and a hole in the ground.
I don't, and it's embarrassing.
Anyone have any opinions on the Balkan Battlefield AKM stock sets from Apex? Been thinking about setting a set for my WASR.
Googled AK63D and came across a kit:
Think those last two won't turn out to be shit? An AK under 500$ sounds kinda fishy.
Those are scratches and not cracks in the front area parts, right? Did you buy the kit from Sarco? Are you only missing the barrel and barrel pin?
Is the 250$ kit Sarco sells too fishy to be good?
Am I better off looking through these ~600$ builds instead?
>Look for the triangle stamp on the receiver, means it was built on an actual military receiver, tend to have better QC than civilian made ones.
>New Romanian military receiver
>implying they don't use magazine dimples
This is why I hate you wasr fags. I don't hate you because you're poor, that's fine, lots of people are. I hate you because you tell straight up lies about the quality of your guns and what they're capable of.
>HURR ITS WHAT I BOUGHT SO THAT MEANS ITS GOOD
>HURR ITS WHAT I CAN AFFORD SO ITS AS GOOD AS SAIGAS, VEPRS AND ARSENAL GUNS
>HYUCK HYUCK HYUCK YOU ACKSHULLY BOUGHT A PAP? THOSE ARE SHITTY! YOU SHOULD HAVE GOT A GOOD AK LIKE MUH WASR
WASRs are bottom of the barrel, shit tier AKs, always have been, always will be.
>but anon! they fixed most of the problems with them!
So it's not a greasy, runny hot pocket shit anymore, but it's still shit, and nothing you should be proud of.
Mine, and a few others I've seen have a dent in the same damn spot on the upper handguard.
Congrats though, if yours turns out like all the ones I've seen so far, it'll be a awesome gun.
Enlighten me as to where I said "new" reciever.
WASRs with the stamp are built on old recievers. However, they are still military and therefore less likely to have historic WASR issues like poorly done rivets and crooked trunnions.
Nobody is trying to say they are just as good as arsenals or whatever. Shitting on something because it isn't what you have screams buyers remorse. Enjoy your arsenal or whatever, that's cool dude, nobody is saying it sucks. But the "WASR is shit" viewpoint is outdated. Modern WASRs are capable weapons, not pretty, but they go bang every time and can handle a lot of abuse. Overall a decent deal for only 500 bucks.
You go right ahead and find me one 7.62x39 stamped reciever AK variant that the romanian military EVER used that didn't have magazine dimples. Don't worry fuckface, I'll wait.
Also, when did the Romanians issue semi auto AKs to their soldiers? These never could have been machine guns, at least not to be eligible for import to the US.
I just realized that the canted crown on the brake will be horrible for lefties like myself. Are they usually adjustable?
What if I adjust it to 12 o'clock opening so it just compensates and pushes the muzzle down, if at all? Would that be a feasible measure if I feel like shooting from both shoulders?
It means the barrel and receiver had to be chopped up overseas before they could be imported, then the receiver stubs and barrel pieces have to be removed from the usable parts (trunnions, gas block, front sight, et cetera)
Is there any real disadvantage of buying kits? It seems mismatching numbers and thus possible headspace problems would be the biggest concern.
Otherwise, you may be saving 200 bucks if you build your own kit.
You're not going to have AK headspace issues if it doesn't come with a barrel. No kits come with barrels these days, so matching numbers only matters if yofu want matching numbers.
The biggest downside with building a kit is the price of tools to do it right. If you already have those, it's pretty cheap. I can crank out an AK for a few hundred dollars cheaper than buying one, and get better quality, now that I have the tools.
Buy your own go and no-go gauges.
The only real advantage to building your own is that you know whether or not everything was done right. I build from kits because sooner or later, we won't be able to anymore, either through regulation or scarcity of kits.
I don't own a WASR. However, I have handled and fired them, along with arsenals and veprs. As far as build quality goes, veprs definitely feel the most solid and rugged. Arsenals walk all over WASRs in terms of aesthetics, consistent build quality, and a degree of accuracy. But once again, WASRs are not shit. They aren't amazing guns by any stretch of the word, but my entire point was that if you just want an AK to have an AK, to hold a universal symbol of resistance while also being a firearm that goes bang every time, WASRs are a good deal. They would be irrelevant if PAPs shared the aftermarket, as they are better than WASRs in every way for only a few more dollars (and the huge paddle stocks). But until the yugo aftermarket grows, WASRs are a go-to for people wanting an AK that fires every time the trigger is pulled and can be modified in any which way.
Coming from someone who has handled pre-2005 WASRs, the new ones feel like arsenals compared to them. Still overall a cheap gun for the cheap price, but now they are worthy of the AK name. Old ones were absolute trash.
>tfw I got my unconverted saiga for 500
>tfw I'm almost done and only put 120 into it
Just waiting on my gas tube
a few months later, back when 545 was ~10c/r before shipping
years later, finally an ak shotgun worth dropping my money on, could never find a saiga modded quite to my liking when it came to looks
Then a few months after that, wanted to make sure I got one before they ran out because who knows how long it would have been before they were imported again.
Little did I know, sanctions would roll out a little later, so I'm glad I got it while the getting was good.
Decent kit? Needs to be a polish fixed stock kit.
The real ones are the /k/ shield and the Kube. Can't find the pic of them, I deleted the email with them in it.
I got a question, I have an izzy 88 parts kit and the fsb and fgb are dimpled, I know how to take them off but not how to put them on, do I need to drill a 3mm pin hole and pin it or just press it on the barrel and leave it?
>got a Mak-90 for $575 OTD
How did I do /k/? I never see you guys talk about them.
I never said any of those things, so you can kindly shove your post up your ass.
>WASRs are bottom of the barrel, shit tier AKs, always have been, always will be.
But you're wrong. There have been, and still are, AKs that are far worse than even the low-point of WASRs. Know what the WASRs weren't ever known for? Things like blowing out rear trunnions, barrel issues so profound that bullets would actually be extracted from their casings upon manual ejection, crooked trunnions etc. etc. I can name you the AKs that had these issues, and they aren't even Century products. WASRs are objectively not the nicest AKs, and anyone who says so is a fool. What they are are fantastic bang-for-your-buck rifles with a CHF chrome lined barrel that run like an AK, put .30 round in torso-sized targets at 300 with ease, and have all of the customization options in the world for an AK. Pretty much the N-PAP, except it has more aftermarket capability. It's an AK. I've ran nearly 14,000 rounds through mine over the four years I've owned it and it fits me like a glove now. Hate all you want, but at least try to base your hatred in reality and not some asspained hatred against the userbase that is so terminal you can't even fully read the posts you quotes.
>You go right ahead and find me one 7.62x39 stamped reciever AK variant that the romanian military EVER used that didn't have magazine dimples
The RPK. What do I win?
>Also, when did the Romanians issue semi auto AKs to their soldiers?
The Guards Rifle was a neutered PM md. 63 (that's the Romanian AKM, I feel I need to make this clear to you) that was an issued arm. Mostly reserved for the civil guard, but you asked.
Here's something from our friends at Lancaster, part of their ill-fated "Rough Rider" AK-74 line. Their rivets weren't even heat-treated, one of the reasons this one explosively converted itself into a pistol.
This is a gem from I.O. Inc's "Sporter" rifle. The less said of that company and its products, the better.
I broke off during a range session.
And here's something that Hesse/Vulcan/Blackthorne/whatever the fuck that asshole has renamed his company to nowadays blessed the world with on a regular basis.
Here's my AES-10b.
inb4 the sling is ugly
It's comfy. Deal with it, faggots.
Alright, I don't know if this is sac religious or what, but I'm planning on building an AK in .270 Win. Anyone have any pointers? Should I use a .308 flat, or would a regular sized flat work?
Who likes 5mm gas ports? Royal Tiger Imports does, apparently.
I think I've made my point. To even begin lumping WASRs, even the shitheaps that were the pre-2007 rifles, is to confirm that you're ignorant and basing what you know off of forum posts made in 2004 and youtube comments.
>also I'm pretty sure that twat called me a poorfag for owning a WASR, in which case I will laugh even harder.
only came with one bullet mag... It feels chincy because lolnosteelreinforcement, but it works. I pretty much exclusively use my Romanian drum though. I should buy a few more.
Plenty do, this particular run of mags is just apparently spotty.
This could very well simply be teething issues out of the gate.
Hey guys. I recently bought a bakelite mag from AIM and I have no idea what's wrong with it.
I can load 8 rounds into it before it's impossible to load further, and the mag won't feed if it's loaded over 5
Anyone know what might be happening? I'm relatively new to guns in general.
Just in case
If that's not the issue, take out the floorplate and spring and try to push around the follower through the shell to see if it catches on anything.
Yes it's real, and it's part of my personal collection so I'm not giving that one up any time soon. Sorry.
Try and get it off without drilling out the dimples.. The dimples are crucial to the kit. After that, yes pin them on, but then blind the pins with weld to make it look like they are dimpled in place. That's how I plan to do my '88 once I get it, anyways.
Try assembling 85 magazines at once and see what your hands look like afterwards. The springs get hopelessly knotted together.
I can't remember how much the mags in that picture sold for altogether, I think about $1500?
The mags I sold last week fetched nearly $5000 which was more than I expected, so I was pleasantly surprised.
Seems very grandiose but I don't keep most of them, I'm sure if Aim Surplus showed a picture of their bakelite inventory before they went on sale it would put my small-time shit to shame.
He's right. The tools are not cheap. You'll need a press, drill press, and several other odds and ends. An NPAP for $600 isn't bad. I'd only build if you know someone with the tools or want the enjoyment of the process.
>also I'm pretty sure that twat called me a poorfag for owning a WASR
if it walks and sounds like a duck
You know, I keep wondering.
I was at a local (absolute horseshit) gun store last year, and in the one corner that wasn't all fudd guns, they had two 5.45 AK's with skeletonized wooden thumbhole stocks.
Anyone have any idea what the fuck I was holding that day? I've never seen another AK like them.
>inb4 it was a PSL idiot
Can confirm it wasn't a PSL, because I was on the hunt for those at the time. When they were hiding with the other funs, they looked like PSL's until I got up close.
>yfw Drake's 7.62 AK is a WASR
Are we going to call anyone who owns a PAP a poorfag now? They're the same price.
>posting it again.
I'm thinking of tacticooling the shit out of my M92, anybody have opinions? So far I'm thinking Midwest Industries M92 quad rail, a Magpul stubby forgrip because of that mag curve, and a Burris Fastfire up on top.
>mfw the UHG shellac bubbled up from 10 minutes of sun exposure
Guess I'm starting over again.
You should be able to get the inside of the FSB and GB to a consistent internal diameter without eating all the way though it. I think some guy on theakforum did his by drilling the barrel out. Search "88 barrel components" or something like that on theakforum and see if you can find anything.
>TFW no qt 3.14 AK
Guise how to into AK?
Are the Kalashnikovs from century arms any good?
I kinda want one without a pistol grip, just a wooden solid wooden stock. Do they have anything like that?
>they were probably WASR-2s
I think you're right. They looked just like this, but I think they were 5.45
>find me one 7.62x39 stamped reciever AK variant that the romanian military EVER used that didn't have magazine dimples
He (or you, which is a fair chance) said for a single 7.62x39 Romanian military stamped AK without mag dimples to be named. The RPK is just that. Try again.
>mad as fuck because you can't fool me into thinking your gun is anything other than a substandard piece of shit riveted together by drunken gypsies
WASRs (and their user base) are shit, deal with it.
Ok, so you named one. It doesn't change the fact that the WASR is shit tier garbage, comparable to the absolute worst of the worst products ever put out by Speshul Wepunz.
Must suck to be so poor.
You may have encountered a WUM-2 or Romak II.
Oh, you're just a troll. Or a flaming ignoramus. Either way, meh.
>tfw scored a E. German zig zag for $35
Spray-on 500 temp engine enamel. Holds up nicely, but I'm having the 10/63 Gunkote'd in a few weeks.
It's a troll, stop feeding it.
Triangle stamp on front trunnion with manufacture date 1979
Hornady uses steel cased sourced from, drumroll, Russia. They do make a brass-cased 7.62x39 though, so there is hope.
Also, I think the Red Army 5.45 stuff is Romanian. I'm not giving up on 5.45 just yet. Having 13k rounds stockpiled helps though.
If you mean Romanian AKs, black oxide I believe, so pretty much what they come in. The surplus Romanian RPK and AK magazines I've gotten over the ears match up perfectly with the rifle finishes, which is what I'm working off of. It's a rather ugly look, in my opinion, which is why I sprayed the Draco and 10/63. I'm leaving the RPK as-is, though.
I didn't need to, and I converted my saiga
Though, it is a 2013
>but I'm planning on building an AK in .270 Win
I don't know anything about what you should do, but post the results.
>the idea of a .270 AK has given me such an erection right now
Only bakelite mags I ever see on sale are used.
Wanted some bakelite so I bought them anyways but man do I regret it. They are pretty worn to shit.
Do unissued bakelite mags ever go on sale for less than $60 a pop?
A few layers of shellac should replicate the average RPK stock just fine. My UHG and LHG came out darker than I'd like, but that was just the color of the wood. Ideally, you have something like the buttstock and pistol grip.
You can restore bakelite. I used salt free body oil and this guys write up(link below), minus the steel wool. They feel like brand new, once the plastic has got moisture back in it.
No problem. Here's the oil I used on mine, cheap and salt free.
Yes, I did.
Yes, MAC is a humongous faggot and doesn't know shit about shit.
I've read about that on other forums but never got some first hand knowledge. There's a lot of bad info in the gun community out there and it seemed like that rumor fit the bill (seeing as how 5.56 out of short barrels is still stabilized just fine. Did you just use a regular bulgy barrel or new US barrel? I've got a kit I need to get around to building some day.
I just chopped down the stock Bulgarian barrel.
I don't know how you can bitch about it, in the end.
>HURRR WASR-10/63 IS FOR POORFAGS OMG
But at the end of the day it still puts rounds downrange. With my friend's WASR-10, even, I was landing consecutive shots into the window of a junked kitchen oven at 100 yards. I don't know what the fuck else to expect from an AK, and I wouldn't expect a whole hell of a lot better from a $1000 Arsenal AK.
So if you REALLY want to complain about what people are buying, then start forking out some cash to help us buy what you think we should buy.