>Does it really matter?
It is true that strength does matter in Modern Combat (i.e. "rucking", military shit) but let's assume two soldiers using the same exact gear are the same weight/strength but different height.
Who would have an advantage in Modern Combat in?
I'm 5'5, had a buddy in basic that was like 5'3. Neither of us were yoked out, both of us maxed our PT. It's amazing how you don't really need to be the visual pinnacle of fitness to excel in a military setting.
Ruck marches do hurt real bad though, real real bad.
Manlets require less food and water and present smaller targets to the enemy. They would make good soldiers.
Tall men however project an aura of confidence and as such make better officers and NCOs.
I'm 5'7 and a former infantry soldier. I hated rucking but was excellent at reconnaissance patrols ("recce"). My size gave me an advantage in that I could make myself a much smaller target and hide in far smaller places.
That being said, being the smallest soldier in my section, my commanders gave me the biggest fucking gun because I was "hard as fuck"...
so make of that what you will.
Actually being short can be very, very useful in combat. You'll make a better tanker if you're short, also it's easier to hide and camouflage yourself.
1.90m tall supermen are good only for parades.
It's still in the average range. Sure, he's taller than a hard set number, who cares, does anyone notice? He was normal height if it pleases you.
That said, he WAS dwarfed by his guards and generals. He was short for a military man.
Hitler/ stalin/ (mao?) And many other brutal leaders in history were short, but the monuments to them were huge of course. Napoleon is just the first guy who seemed to be known for it even if he wasn't that short.
Sorry for being slightly OT, but this article made me wonder if there are any older weapons that visibly "grew" over time (bigger stocks, grips and control surfaces).
No shit man, I don't know how many times I've heard people tell me to open my stride. I'm like yes no shit, thank you, I can't anymore without turning into a fucking Eric Prydz music video.
Tall guys with longer legs make bigger paces and can march slightly faster, also they can see over obstacles better and reach longer. Short guys are more compact and fit better into tanks and behind cover. Having had both and being tall, both have their advantages. Having a good mix and using each persons individual strength is decisive, not height as a number!
You could have actually read the thread and gotten a far better, more nuanced view of the subject but you just took a shit and called it fact because you are an absolute fucktard. Morning /k/.
Fuckin awesome staff, I love being singled out for death by the enemy!
Seems to me that being shorter, less body mass, is superior in every situation except for hand to hand combat.
Smaller target, can fit compartments designed for shorter people (Soviets did this), less calories/medicine/water required to sustain, etc
I wanted to spare you the humiliation by calling attention to the fact that the Japanese only very rarely fought anyone outside their own country, but if you really want to look at the few times when they did - I believe they lost the majority of all encounters in which they didn't just raid chinese fishing villages.
>it's not history because I say so
Yi Sun-Sin is one of the most respected admirals in history and for good reason. The notoriously nationalistic Japanese even pay him respects for his abilities. You're just a crying weeaboo.
I remember Howard Wasdin saying in Seal Team Six that many people in special forces are very average looking.
They're fit but by no means what you'd think of as aryan ubermensch.
They're mostly people that are higher than average IQ and endurance that can keep a level head under extreme physical and/or mental duress.
When a group of guys runs with a log above their heads friend.
Haven't been in my self yet, but from all the stories I heard from my brother,uncle,grandpa and the likes, it is a very rare occurrence, that's coming from three different countries military's as well, PT is more physiological now than anything friend maybe some vets would have different stories though.
PT? Not very many. During other training exercises or ruck marches? I'd say at least 1 per event minimum, plus another or two every now and then.
Nothing major, rolled and sprained ankles, minor heat injuries, insect bites, people doing stupid things. Honestly people doing stupid things explains 90% of the injuries that occur.
Mind you these are all just my experiences, they'll vary from person to person.
It's pretty rare. I don't know how it is now. When I was in, 2005-9, it was mostly cardio and "natural resistance" which is a sound philosophy. That crossfit shit was starting to weasel it's way in but at the time at least it was not allowed and hope it still isn't. That shit will get you hurt.
Wehrmacht, Bulgarians People's Army, and finally the United States Navy/Army/Marines.
>same weight but different height.
Either you have a tubby fat bastard rolling around because he's as wide as he is long, or you have a fucking lumbering skeletor who will fall over if the wind kicks up.
The taller guy will be much stronger in absolute values by definition. The short fellow will have a smaller hit box and need less food and water. Given that a minimum of strength is all that's needed, the little fellow wins.
Hence why being short is so important. Who do you think you're more likely to hit with your instant death bullet? A 7 foot tall goliath, or a 3.4 foot tall dwarf? It's rather basic math that the larger you make something, the higher the probability it shall make contact with another object. This is why Soviet tanks have such low profiles, for instance: Because the best defense they have is not getting hit.
This is also why high-profile tanks like the Sherman were undesirable: the taller the object, the harder it is to conceal, and the easier it is to target.
I hate to say it but my Drill Instuctor said once that short mexicans make the best marines to operate the saw because they are a smaller target...I have noticed in my deployment that completely opposite of Hollywood logic big guns are given to the small guys.
I'm 5'6", I won't lie, I've been reading this thread because of a height complex. Regardless of who I am, I've had girls reject and stand me up on dates cause of my height. Knowing I would've been useful in combat is redeeming enough.
I'm a poor, loveless hack who doesn't deserve anything . .
Is the second last guy in OP's Pic of the the Italian Army?
>you feeling it now mr.anon?
Care to share your stories? What is your preferred weapon?
As far as training is concerned, it's just to put added pressure on little guys so they learn to manage the weapon. So happens when they deploy as well, training has a side effect of making you useful with the weapon, who better to use it than the guy that had to haul it around and work with it in the rear.
I'm fucking 5'11'' 1/4 and I feel insecure about my height.
>If I was only 2 inchs taller...
I'm 5'7" on a good day. Women who judge on height, I generally don't have time for, but men who care are usually looking for an ego boost, so they'll try to stand over you, so to speak; it can be really subtle, even just in the body language of someone passing you on the street.
Know when to be small, know when to act bigger than you look. The ability to avoid notice is the short man's advantage, but with that ability comes the potential to make that much bigger an impact, when actions and behavior come from places that a larger man wouldn't expect.
I should also add that it works on women too. Women know what they want, and go out looking for it, but if you show a girl something she'd like, but would have overlooked on her own, you can fill her desires on your terms, which offers you more control over an inherently calculating and manipulative person.
Or, you can wait around for a woman who isn't a vapid, self-obsessed cunt.
I'm 6'4 and I sometimes feel insecure as well friend, doesn't help my dad is 6'8, happens to all of us.
Jesus Christ, I'm 5'3" stop letting shit like height get to you.
Get some confidence and keep your head held high no matter what the situation throws at you.
>waiver for overheight
Bet you'll never see one of these again
Meh, most of my family is Polish and Irish so everyone is at least sub 6'2. I'm 5'10 after all.
How tall are the women in Eastern Europe?
>If you've been there/seen them
Most I've seen in the USA is 5'11''.
Yeah, I'm like 5'4'' maybe 5'5''. Gotta utilize ur skills. Infiltration is my game. Plus whenever I'm down I think about Audie Murphy. 5'5'', 110lbs. Most decorated soldier of WWII. This guy had balls of steel and gives hope to small guys everywhere. Plus I have a 6'1'' friend I roll with. Gotta even out ur squad.
Most southern/eastern Slavic won't be taller than 5'9, reference is my whole family and personal living experience.
That sucks dick friend, us taller guys usually have back or hip problems later in life.
All I'm going to say about what happened is:
>army doctors suck (refused to give an xray for 3 months)
>army physical therapy is a fucking joke
>I am extremely bitter about it
I would have recovered in the hands of a civilian doctor. I can no longer run, I can barely jog.
Yep, I have a feeling I'll be getting a hip replacement soon.. sucks to know your body is failing at 26
>sucks to know your body is failing at 26
>>army doctors suck (refused to give an xray for 3 months)
>>army physical therapy is a fucking joke
>>I am extremely bitter about it
I've heard that the army medical care was shit, but never this bad to refuse someone help for a life debilitating injury.
>What branch of the US military were you in?
Yeah dude, they're fucking cheap as shit.
>doc my hip is fucked up
>hip literally fucking black, purple, green
>Oh, we'll just stab you with a needle IN THE FUCKING SITE to increase blood flow to the area
>do some of these exercises if you can
>no run profile
Yep.. after I shockingly didn't show improvement they said my only option was to be med sep'd. But hey I didn't have to do shit through that process. Woke up, got coffee, hung out at cq, maybe drove someone somewhere, got shit faced at night
I was army
There are lots of anecdotes that suggest that small individuals will fare better >>22800559
in combat and in long-term survival situations than large individuals.
I remember reading in Antony Beevor's book on Stalingrad that most of the German survivors of the kessel were short. The tall and large people who made it to the Soviet POW camps were also at a higher risk of dying.
The common explanation is that smaller people require fewer calories than do larger people. If you've got a 5'2" manlet and a 6'4" goliath, the tall guy is going to weigh a lot more, his heart has to beat a lot harder to circulate blood up and down his body, and he's going to use a lot more energy moving himself around to do everyday things than a smaller person would.
That said, you have to be careful when doing these kinds of non-scientific analyses. In WW2, large American soldiers were routinely singled out to carry the BAR, or to be on machine gun and mortar crews, or to carry flamethrowers. All of those occupations are high-risk jobs on the battlefield, because they draw the most enemy fire. Maybe the larger people in Stalingrad were only at a disadvantage because they were put into high-risk situations.
>The common explanation is that smaller people require fewer calories than do larger people. If you've got a 5'2" manlet and a 6'4" goliath, the tall guy is going to weigh a lot more, his heart has to beat a lot harder to circulate blood up and down his body, and he's going to use a lot more energy moving himself around to do everyday things than a smaller person would.
This is true. My maintenance calories for 5'6" is 2100, but I can survive on 1600. I can't imagine most of those guys in Stalingrad got more than that a day.
If we're considering advantages, smaller soldiers not only require less food to support their bodies, but they can maneuver easily through or conceal themselves. Also they'd be advantageous in colder climates due to less surface area of the body, probably inverse for hot weather.
"hi /k/, I heard you want to see what difference height makes in 1-1 comabt"
Its a well known fact that short guys can 'ruck', 'hump', tab, yomp and stomp better than taller guys. lower centre of gravity and better height to weight ratios. Look at your typical British Paratrooper, they are on average short and stocky.
>That said, he WAS dwarfed by his guards and generals. He was short for a military man.
Well, when it came to the Imperial Guard, he hand-picked everyone who was basically the biggest, toughest soldiers in all of France. They were there to look impressive, as much as be impressive.
But overall, height = manliness is a rather overblown concept.
>mfw the overly aggressive, hyper, and jockish guy in my IT class was being a dick one day...
>mfw he says he's 'bigger than me' because he's like an inch or two taller.
>point out I'm like one and a half times his size, he laughs, and we stand a few inches apart.
>mfw I'm about an half an inch taller, and still broader in the chest and shoulders (19" from the tip of he acromion bone) than he is.
>'alpha' male is pissed as fuck and walks away
>rest of class chuckling
I'm 5'10" for the records, in the average range, but frankly this Manlet stuff, along with anyone who acts 'Alpha' is a whole load of crap, put out mainly by overgrown children and dumbasses who would be labelled a nigger for their behavior if their skin was dark enough.
>but frankly this Manlet stuff, along with anyone who acts 'Alpha' is a whole load of crap, put out mainly by overgrown children and dumbasses who would be labelled a nigger for their behavior if their skin was dark enough.
Someone on 4chan with actual sense? I am astonished. Please visit /fit/ and tell them they're all retarded.
Oh yeah, forgot to mention. My shoes were especially thick soled, so he was probably taller than me by a small margin, actually.
>mfw he was still a dick and everyone in class got to see his face rubbed in it
>plus I still would have had an extra 50% in mass on him (not fat, but bone and meat, I'm only 220 pounds, so there's fat but not a substantial amount... besides, I've been lazy the last 6 months, otherwise I wouldn't have that).
I did the KSK evaluation course back in 2011, got through and accepted aswell.
Decided against it in the end, but the experience was interesting. You did have the typical brutes wanting to be Ares himself but none of them got accepted. The others were pretty normal dudes, one J1 officer even. Fit, clever and mentally tough as nails, but no Schwarzeneggers.
You wouldn't suspect any of them of beeing ice cold motherfuckers if you just passed them in the street.
poster related. Back when the British army's minimum height was 5'4, they made battalions during WWI of soldiers below the height standards so they could join the fight
Read a book called "At the Sharp End", by an American author who collected stats from WWII. He analyzed each combat arm, but the infantry one is obviously of interest here.
From what I recall of his stats from the Normandy Campaign, two things stood out: If you lived for the first week or so, you tended to survive the whole war. The other was that the smaller guys tended to last longer than their taller counterparts. They were faster to cover, more agile, smaller targets, and could hide behind more objects. It's just common sense when you think about it.
I'm 6'3/215lbs, and one thing I have learned over the years is to respect all opponents.
To do otherwise is foolish.
My great uncle once told me a story from when he was in the army, so a long time ago. The crux of it all was a boxing match between the stereotypical big beefy sergeant and little tiny private. One of the officers heard about it and decided a boxing match would be the best way to settle things once and for all between the two.
And it ended with the private cleaning the guy's clock, because he was a Golden Glove champion.