So, I love guns and all, but i'm feeling a more historic side of me comin up. So, I'm curious what is everyone's favorite historical armor. Looks wise I would say that I rather liket he look of maille under a tunic with a great helm, typical of what you would see in any movie with templars. But practically, I would much prefer the armor of the high Gothic period. Weapons wise, I like polearms such as billhooks, halberds, and spears. The Ahlspiess also seems interesting to me.
Gothic armour is also my favorite, but Second would be the coat pf plate and bascinet
behold! the oldest weapon in all mankind's history, tremble in its wake, fear its power, and beg for mercy before your life ends!
Why can't /k/ into medieval stuff? Medieval threads only get like 7 posts before dying.
pole weapons are for peasants
real knights use flanged maces
'cos inevitably they get shitted up by pic related who either wax lyrical about how swords are better than guns because muh honor muh civilized combat or turn the thread into a 200-reply shitflinging contest between katana fans and broadsword fans
All that being said I loves me some good medieval weapons and I hope this thread goes well
idk if you guys have ever been to the Metropolitan museum of art in New York City but it has a huge exhibit on medieval armor with tons of really cool stuff
I remember reading an article in the new york times a few years ago about the guy who started the exhibit in the late 1800's by donating his own vast collection of armor.
Heres a picture of him in Japan in the 1890's, behold the proto-weeb.
>posts late 15tth, arly 16th century Gothic armr
>wants to talk about "ANCINT" weapons and armor
topp kep old hap
There ain't nothin ancient aboutthat!
medieval weapons nerds and shootyguns just don't overlap that much. you will have more luck in th but half of them have cod syndrome were the let game systems dictate what a weapon is capable of.
lindybeige is a cool dude.
I am actually a nogunz from Germany with interests in both but laws aren't that great here. I think my grandmother still has a ww2 Beretta in a safe.
anyway earpieces are great.
Teutonic knights are balling and frog mouthed helps are styling on saracens
wouldn't be able to hold a candle to western armor because the lack of quality iron in japan meant they had to resort to lacquered wood and animal leathers. (though that being said western armor was itself phased out for a reason)
>hit refresh button for the millionth time
>no winged hussars
Do you faggots even remove kebab?
niggers, you ain't even close to as ancient as me,take a seat and watch grandad take care of this.
I don't see why not as they had muscle armor .Ancient Greeks were pretty flamboyant they even painted their helmets and put designs on them and different colored plums.
Just go on tumblr and look up on the tag system whatever you want to see
Reminder that spears were normally used, (not exclusively used), but normally used underarm, for several reasons.
I've been playing Dark Souls recently and it's rekindled my interest in medieval armor and weaponry. In particular, pic related is a beautiful set caught my eye.
I fucking swear, armor adorned with fur is the manliest goddamn thing imaginable. You see this in fiction enough, but anybody got some good real world examples of this?
I actually have reasons why thats not true for Greeks.
First the spear had a buttcap which was weighted and made it easy to hold overhand so you could hold it farther back and still aim well and thrust with power.Many people on youtube do not show an accurate weighted spear. While overhand you arm is protected except the hand, while underhand requires you to move your hips a little for some thrusts and expose a spot on your body. Also the aspis is too large to hold underhand correctly.
The hoplite aspis was a large shield covering everything from the neck to the greaves, however the feet could be open (yet some did have armor for it). From the side however if you can see a gap to spear the neck. If you are in a row and there is another row directly in front you would have trouble with the man directly in front yet to the right or left of him you could spear his neck. This could be done overhand well but underhand not so much as the spear angles downward near the feet and if you spear down and miss you are in deep shit
The Greeks have depicted both for different reasons. For one on one an underhand might work for when the formation broke, yet during formation it works best as overhand.
The feet and eyes were the only areas exposed (the legs if they did not have greaves). Yet aiming downward is difficult in a Corinthian helmet. So it would be difficult to aim properly and not look down which would leave you able to be attacked when you don't expect it. Other helmets don't have this problem yet they had much more open faces and could be speared easier.
Yes. Read 'A Storm Of Spears' for an exhaustive treatment of the subject.
>For one on one an underhand might work for when the formation broke, yet during formation it works best as overhand.
His video on Greek vases showed it was the other way around. They drew formations with underarm, and 1v1 with overarm.
If you're so close to a guy that you need to half the length of your spear, then why not just pull out your sword?
Why fight with a stick that's 8 feet long if you're just gonna get up in the face of the person you're fighting anyway?
>formations and fighting goes on all day
>mfw I really need to shit
oh well atleast I'm not the one who has to clean it
I don't know about how he said that hoplites could not hold the shield overhand for a large amount of time. They could rest it on the shield and the ranks could move back and such.
It is show on pottery in such grand ways to show the hoplites in their full glory to sell the piece. It makes no sense to open your shield like that and "lock" it with the opponent. Some pottery pieces show both actually it just depends on what you look at.
They had a long spear to use in formation to create a wall of bristling spears and move as a unit. Also not every hoplite had a sword. They didn't always go right up in the opponents face.
Not sure if you mean Medieval armor because that what you're posting isn't ancient, to answer your question, I fucking love all of it, but I'm particualarly fond of pic related, dunno why but I always found the mail, surcoat, and great helm on the french knight so fucking sexy. But plate, mail and really any other medieval armor I'm fond of
/k/ just can't into, most stick to firearms, it tends to be more of a /tg/ thing but every now and then we get some decent ones
This seems more realistic. Notice the hands how it is an underhand grip that can be used to the side of the shield or above.
Samurai armor wasn't wood and leather. It DID have metal plates, just not as much as estern armors. The plates just arent really visible because like the armor in >>22948258 it was covered in leather.
Also Greek vases show scaled helmets with scaled shields which can be attributed to be painted like that to match the armor and in reality not be taken literately as vases are meant to be art pieces to be sold not as history books
Just to say this is a great thread. I for one love middle age weaponry/armor/warfare. Pic related, something I would be carrying as extra protection.
I just noticed this mans heraldry has a cock on it....
forgive me, I hate when people try to dictate what is right and what is wrong because of their own beliefs
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Winged Hussars will be the ones that take the sand lands away from the scum
Probably just painted wood with a metal rim if you're lucky.
Imagine how fashionable this guy must have been
m8 u take that back right now
>not fighting in these sandals
The first dark souls wasn't too bad with practicality, but the second went to shit, and in general, is much shitter than the first, for example, weeb knights exist now, thanks fromsoft
Only cost me about 50$ and 100 hours, worth every second.
Well, my only gripe about Lindybeige is that he sometimes gets stuff wrong. Scholagladiatoria has to correct him sometimes, but I like the both of them a lot. Lindybeige is the one who got me into historical accuracy in the first place with why katana a shit.
Damn nigga, dat's pretty good, now hit it with a sword and see how well it does
That fucker with the mace is my hero, he's a pure badass through and through
Truly one of the finest removers of them all.
Yeah, Skall does have some nice points about some things though. I like to consider him as a "lite" version of research on medieval arms and armor. He does practice HEMA, so he does know what he's talking about some of the time.
His Fantasy Weapons Scrutinized series has one on Skyrim weapons and why they're not shaped correctly. Given that, yea, they're games and whatnot and we should be using suspension of disbelief, some people can get spergy about it. Skall's not that spergy, but I like what he does to correct some of the misconceptions about weapons out there.
the thing about chainmail is that its very good at deflecting glancing blows but not heavy hits or piercing stabs
normally this would be fine in a fight because you're going to be moving around a lot and deflecting attacks, its only a problem if you get knocked off your balance or some fucker on a horse runs you through with his lance which would completely punch through your armor.
First result from google search of "dark souls armor"
See lots of crusaders in this thread. You would all be stopped by pic related.
Mongols. The men who may have saved Christendom by fucking the large and powerful Muslim realms to the east.
Also, anyone know of a site I can upload my Osprey PDFs to to share with you all, my /k/nightbrothers?
as if it will ever be done ! pfft- in our times it might be most impractical to do so with the invent of firearms, however I've never shot therefore am curious as to the damage that could be done against steel plated Samurai Armour and even more curious to know how it would fare against swords arrows and spears.
>It DID have metal plates, just not as much as estern armors, in the form of laminar armor (metal strips/plates welded/riveted in an overlapping manner to form a big solid plate, like 1500's nip cuirasses
Actually, Japanese armor is the platey-est of Eastern Armor.
Continental East Asians preferred Chainmail and Lamellar due to horse archery and the very mobile nature of warfare in East Asia, with only bits of plate armor covering the chest/arms/legs
Ah, I always get those cultures messed up. From Khazars to Mongols, I can never distinguish. As you can tell, I'm not an expert on the Eastern stuff, as I see a recurve bow and instantly think HURR MONGULS.
I've tested it with cuts and stabs from a bowie knife, cuts left no mark, of the 5 stabs I made 3 managed to force open the rings, 1 got penetration into the leather I had under it.
Funnily enough one of my younger cousin tripped with scissors in his hand, stabbed me with them, tip touched my skin and hurt like a mother fucker but the rings kept it from drawing blood.
Recurve bows are all over Asia m8.
Mongols were just one of the many that used it.
Also, the Osprey PDFs I promised
Largely due to Persian and Scythian Influence.
Any recommended movies for Ancient Western Warfare that is not too hollywood-y? That would flare up my autism too much. It is all movies, so some form of slip up is understandable.
I can recommends a few Eastern ones.
War of the Arrows (Korean vs Manchu): Nice archery skirmishes.
Heaven And Earth AKA Ten To Chi (Japanese Sengoki Jidai): Nice formation battles.
Seven Samurai (Shame on you if you didn't watch this classic)
Musa the Warrior (Korean vs Mongols): Nice mix of melee and archery skirmishes.
I can only remember a few that is not too kungfu-ey flying all over the place Eastern movies. Those are it.
Still needs an edge and the handle isn't done either but it's my baby. Not meant to be period specific or anything, I'm half Colombian and wanted something in the style of the 'latin' machete so I made it.
14ga galvinized steel, 5/16in rings butted 4-in-1
Fuuuuuuck that, this took long enough, but maybe in 10 years I'll want to make another one, I'll do 1/4 in rings and do 6 in 1 perhaps.
>not too kungfu-ey flying all over the place Eastern movies.
Not watching glorious Wuxia genre Eastern movies. SHAMFUR DISPRAY
>Bodyslams a horse
>Takes on a whole army
>Getting hit with a piece of metal at the end of a stick doesn't fuck your shit up unless you're wearing armor
Have fun with all those broken bones and internal bleeding, you mongoloid.
keep posting man. I love these kinds of stuffs
Linothorax reinforced with bronze scales.
Don't ask me, Fromsoftware decided to shit themselves and pretty much do everything possible to make the game different from the first and in all the bad ways, the armor is one of them.
I'm pretty sure it's an anus
Macbeth had some semi realistic combat scene. However, it is only at the end. I would imagine Knights in armor would wail on one another in a similar fashion.
Nah, Myceneans didn't have recurve bows.
And Myceneans suck at archery. Greece pretty much relied on Javelins and Slings for missile combat due to the melee-oriented nature of Warfare in the mountainous regions of Greece
Coarse linen would be shipped in to Athens which would be cheaper and not that difficult to get as the port Piraeus was close to Athens and since Athens economy was mainly from trading as the port was a major hub in the ancient time its not that difficult to see them getting linen. Also leather would be harder to come by as they did not have as many animals which supplied leather as they had mostly goats and sheep. Cattle was still present just less common but both could have been used.
They did rely mainly on those weapons yet the ancients did have archers they were just not main warriors of the day.
Linothorax could have just been made up of mainly hardened leather, but with a linen outer layer as to protect the wearer from getting burned on the leather while out campaigning in the hot Mediterranean climate.
A composite linothorax armor seems to be something that wouldn't have been feasible.
Not the one you are arguing with.
Sure they had bamboo armor for peasants. But the rich Samurais had better shit.
Oh come on, this picture takes like a second of google to find.
I'm not saying they didn't, but using armor based on european designs with imported european steel as a point is stupid. And I'm not the original anon he was arguing with, you're right, they had metal armors, not in the largest quantity and not in the same quality of europe but they still had them
Did any other cultures have arrow curtains ?
> tmw Greeks domesticated dolphins and rode them into war
OP Here. I am also a fan of the winged hussars.
I'm generally talkin bout anything before ballistics. My wording is a bit off cause i haven't gotten a good amount of sleep in a while. But yes, mail, surcoat, and great helm is incredibly sexy
The mongols were pretty cool guys.
Does anyone else think the mongols were pretty cool guys?
>tfw hoplites extinguished the mongoloid centaur hoard.
>tfw ancient Greeks had trained birds to attack the eyes of their enemies
I heard Iran, especially East Iran, LOVES Mongols and thinks they are a-OK super duper!
East Ghouta ambush(Hezbollah vs Liwa al-Islam) not really related
Ayy lmao, and I figured that was what you meant and I almost didn't save those images too
> tfw Ancient Greeks fought marine skellingtons that roamed the Aegean sea
>tfw the ancient Greeks battled in single combat with three legged chairs
>those god damn ancient Greeks and their motorcycles