You didn't ask for this, but you'll like it ...eventually. Milsurp thread.
Please focus on the guns and not my disgusting room or hairy leg.
And that's it for non-nugget milsurp. At least until next paycheck.
next gun show, I'm looking for 30-06 dies and 50-70 dies. The rolling block is just asking to be shot.
Good job nerdy anon. This is one of my very favorite rifles from a lesser WWII power.
M.95M only comes in one caliber. They are Austro-Hungarian and Bulgarian Steyr M.1895 rifles in 8x50mmR captured during WW1 and afterward re-built/re-barreled to use the same 7.9x57mm cartridge as the new standard Yugoslavian service rifle, the FN-Herstal M1924.
Alright, thanks! Now I just need to save up, buy the slavshit I wanted to buy, and then maybe if I'm not in a box on the street or in a log cabin of nuggets and cosmoline, I'll grab one of those.
It's specifically an 8x57 IS conversion of M.95's. Done by the Yugoslavians in the 1930's. They fire the exact same ammo and use the exact same stripper clips as the Mausers. In fact, the barrel and sights it has are essentially just the parts for an M1924 rifle.
M.95M's can be hard to find for a reasonable price when they still have the internal clip in place and extractor intact. Even more so if they have both and are all matching. Such condition is not rare, but uncommon enough to be rather annoying to acquire.
I see. Well, it might be a while then. I prefer all matching if I can get it, so I can't prioritize an M95, then. I guess it'll just be one of those things I look out for at gunshows.
The difference in between an M95 and an M95M is a big one. M95's are super easy to acquire. M95M not so much.
pic related, M95
They're Polish Home Army, not Germans.
8x50r Austrian or 8x56r.
8x50r is the WWI chambering and 8x56r is what Bulgaria, Austia, and Hungary rechambered a lot of them to during the 1930's.
Nah, bit it is pretty lovely. I really want to get one of those some day - Privi 7.5 Frog is also a lot more reasonable than I was expecting, at just a cunt-hair shy of a buck a shot here in Canada.
Best bolt gun of the war was probably the Lee Enfield, as capacity is important and it was certainly tough enough. After that, the Arisaka because retardedly strong.
Everyone knows that the nugget was the best.
Arisaka was a great and extremely underrated combat bolt action rifle. They did go a bit overboard by adding the AA sights and monopod on the earlier T99's though. I am a fan of the DC however.
I love it that Japanese rifles are starting to get a lot of widespread respect, but I don't the high prices that it entails, lol. I'm trying to get in on Carcanos before Italian rifle prices go the way of Japanese!
You're lucky you even have an Arisaka. Considering we didn't really fight the Japanese to the extent that the Americans or even the British did, they are not exceptionally popular rifles here in Canada. I would absolutely love a Type 38, though, even if it would be hard to find one in acceptably good shape and ammunition would be stupid expensive. Norma makes pretty much the only factory load, right?
Good man, planning on getting a Carcano! A 91/41 will be my next gun purchase and I'm going to use it as my excuse to get into reloading as 6.5 Carcano is apparently easy on powder, low enough pressure to give you great case life and generally fairly easy to load for, from what I've read.
Here's my SKS carbines. Anyone who's curious about them is free to ask specifics - I think this post is long enough as it is.
I already have four Carcanos, lol. I have several Arisakas as well. Gotta catch 'em all!
Living in the US is great for WWII collecting.
Those break-down Ari's are fucking awesome; shame they're tough to find and the ammo is like unicorn shit. My insane uncle Dan kept a breakdown Ari behind his bucket seat and a box of 7.7jap in the glovebox for years. Loved to take the thing whitetail hunting, said it was a great rifle.
I should call that old nutter and see if he wants to sell it to me.
The going is good for SKS's here, currently. They are inexpensive and plentiful. The one on the far left is an unrefurbished, unissued 1950 Tula with the original spring-loaded firing pin. I bought it from a sale a company here had for 'collector grade' Russian SKS's. I paid a 20 dollar premium for a 'collector grade' one sight unseen, and received this.
For $199 before tax and shipping. I'm pretty fortunate.
internet sales are your friend
>$199 before tax and shipping
I couldn't get a decent .22 for that in my area. Fucking Jew York.
Very nice, though. How's it shoot? One of my buddies had an SKS growing up, it was crazy inaccurate; thinking back, someone probably shot surplus out of it and then didn't clean it.
7.7 is actually the economical Arisaka round to shoot, considering the casings aren't semi-rimmed retarededness like 6.5x50 and reloading data is identical to .303 Bong.
It's still expensive, but it's not 6.5x50 expensive. I really wish Type 99's gave me the boner that Type 38's do, I'd save myself so much money when I eventually get one and invest in the ammo.
Huh, no shit. A work friend reloads .303 all the time; if I can get Dan to sell or give me the rifle, I'll have to see about dropping a bottle of JB white on the guy for a hundred rounds or so.
I'll be completely honest with you, I haven't shot it and I probably won't. My reasoning being, even in the land of syrup and cheap SKS's, they'll get more expensive some-day. When they do, an untouched, unrefurbished early-model carbine will be worth a hell of a lot more than I paid for it. Even then, I know deep down I probably won't sell it - I'm not a seller of guns.
I've fired all the other ones, and they are honestly not as bad as everyone says they are. They're all minute-of-man out to 300m or so with surplus ammo. Not a single one of my SKS's has ever seen brass-cased ammo and likely never will unless someone gives me some or the surplus dries up.
I'm a few hours from New York, in Ottawa. Went to Watertown a few years ago and enjoyed drooling over all the short-barreled pistols I'm not allowed to own here. Governments, no matter where you are, fucking suck.
Bullets and powder charge are the same, as far as I know. It's essentially an un-rimmed .303, though the Japs did make a rimmed version for machine gun use. May have been semi-rimmed, I don't remember.
If you shoot and reload .303, or have a friend who does, a Type 99 is a lot less of a hassle to get into. Keep in mind, though, a hundred rounds of 7.7 Jap brass will cost you a fair chunk of change.
Ah, yeah, I totally get that. I have an unfired hex Mosin; for the same exact reasoning. It cost me maybe $120 a few years ago, and you don't see hexes for any less than $300 in my area these days. Might turn out to be a good investment, haha.
Watertown's a really nice, low-crime city. I have some family up there. I'm in Syracuse, unfortunately.
> Governments, no matter where you are, fucking suck
Oh, of course. I know if I get it, I'm going to drop a few hundred on some rounds, just for the brass, haha. This is all dependant upon the fact that Dan doesn't still love the thing and will sell it to me, which is kind of unlikely, hahaha.
Dude got into a motorcycle accident a few years back, and got a huge settlement because it fucked him up pretty bad, right? Spent 10% of it on a new trailer and the rat snake to live underneath, and the rest of it on handguns. Some kind of 'police special' .357, a Ruger .44 blackhawk, and one of those retard huge S&W's chambered in .500. Shit's like a foot long and weighs like six pounds fully loaded- he took a black bear with it a few years back.
Oh, and he got a permit to hunt with a crossbow because the accident fucked his arm. He does so regularly. Rednecks are my lifeblood, and uncle Dan is the king of the rednecks.
>sorry for the rant, I'm drunk
>IG 71/84 Mauser
Holy shit. That thing is beautiful.
How much is it to shoot?
It's funny you're going to maybe make money off of a nugget, because so am I. Last Christmas-ish, a company here brought in M38 Carbines for $160 dongs or so. At that price, I had to have one even if nuggets aren't my biggest cup of tea. Plus, the carbines are cool.
That deal sold out in under two days, and then everyone wanted an M38. Another company brought them in, capitalized on the demand and charged 300+ for them. Now, that's what the go for used at the very least.
It's been less than a year and I could make at least 100 bucks on a fucking Nugget. I won't, though, as as much as I don't like admitting it, it's fun to shoot.
>if i recall it said 7.92x57mm on receiver
Then it's either an M43 or M44. Essentially the Standardmodell with a longer handguard and bayonet adapter. $250 is fine if it hasn't been messed with.
Yeah I think the hardwood ones were mainly walnut. But don't quote me on this.
Laminate ones were Beech. IDK about the earlier ones. Probably walnut.
A friend is selling an M48 (I think), a Serbian or something Mauser for $200 with maybe 40 rnds of ammo.
Seems nice and solid, a little smaller than other Mausers I've seen, action is nice and smooth, and the bore is pretty nice for a surplus rifle. Should I jump on this? Are they good firearms and is 8mm a good round, generally speaking?
I'm the kind of dick who probably won't have kids because that cuts into the gun budget.
Here I am shooting a belgian FN-49. I'd love to post more detailed pictures of it but it's not mine.
>Should I jump on this? Are they good firearms and is 8mm a good round, generally speaking?
Yugoslav, right. He said that, herp.
Thanks for the advice, I'm going to jump on it. $200 is a song, and tbh I can probably talk him down to $170 and a 30-rack.
If either of you have shot 8mm (I have not), what is it close/akin to in feel and recoil, drop etc. I'm very familiar with .30-06, is it anything similar?
Sorry, I'm pretty fuddy when it comes to knowledge of calibers.
8x57 IS is basically my favorite full power rifle round.
I collect rifles. I do have a few of these however. Though, I often debate going and trying to trade all of them for rifles, lol.
Amazingly. It's basically a FAL before the FAL existed, and the gas systems are very similar. We were shooting Privi 150 Grain .30-06 and it wasn't at all hard to wrestle. Though, I am 6'4 and not too easily phased by recoil.
I'd love to own one, but they're getting more and more expensive. Also, the fucking thing kicked the brass like 20 feet and mangled it pretty badly. Not the greatest for a rifle that shoots something I'd probably want to reload to feed.
>I'm very familiar with .30-06, is it anything similar?
Yes. The German sS-Patrone 197.5gr spitzer load is a bit more powerful than the M1 ball load, and the Yugo surplus M49 ball is approximately the same power as the sS-Patrone. It is easily managed.
>Though, I am 6'4
Shit, I wish I knew that feel. Full-on manlet at 5'6", 10-gauge turkey loads throw me on my ass. I'm like 160 soaking wet, shit sucks, hahaha.
Sounds intense and cool. I've shot an FAL before, but I didn't enjoy it because the lop was way, way too long for my arms and 7.62 nato is a good chunk of kick for me to handle.
Slugs out a 12 make my whole body move and I have to get a bucket to reach shit in my garage. Being little sucks; thanks for smoking, Norine.
Okay, cool. The recoil of .30-06 throws me off a little, but is still manageable. Good to know.
I'll try and post pics in the next milsurp thread, but the rifle is nothing spectacular.
Anywhere I can buy a usable M1 Garand?
I don't care if it's still a 'classic' or if it's all 'tactical' out, as long as it fires true
I just want to give a good gun a loving home, I promise to feed it, clean it, and take it to the doctor when it's sick, I will also let it sleep in my bed
I asked this question before but i want more answers the rear sights on my swedish mauser are crooked and the rightt side of the sights is higher than the left. Will this affect accuracy?is there a way to fix this?
You could always just get one at a LGS, but expect to pay at least a grand. I got my rifle, 400 rounds of ammo, and a bayonet for about that.
When I got mine I used a hunter safety card I got for completing a 2-4 hour class years ago. Hunter safety courses are piss easy to complete. Alternatively next time you're at a range you could go up to the RO and let him know what you want to do and get him to sign off on the form for you. Most RO's that I've talked to know about CMP.
Not the other guy, but I'm noguns, Would an M1 Garand be good for a first gun? I always wanted one but never fired a gun before. Liberal family so I'm not allowed to get guns unfortunately.
No, great rifles, but not the best first gun IMO. A .22 rifle and a nugget would make a good pair of first rifles due to cost and ease of use.
You can just print off the form and fill it out. You're supposed to have a RO sign off on it, but they aren’t going to check. It's just there to say that you aren’t a complete idiot and know how to use a gun.
Most autoloading pistols should be fine if you used hollow points. You'd have to look up and find out which feed best with HP's though.
A few examples: Makarov, P64, CZ82
Of course you could just use a nugget if you don't care whether your neighbors survive.
When I click on the "Choose files" button, nothing happens. Same thing on any website where I should be able to browse my files. I've tried 3 browsers, disabled extensions, everything. I don't know what's happening.
Here's a picture of my surplus ammunition stockpile. It's quite hefty, as you can see, but I'm sure some of you can do better.
And it's not even THAT expensive, at barely over a dong a shot locally. Buck and a few cents, I believe. Take the hurt on a few boxes of Privi 6.5x55, shoot it and keep that delicious brass, and you're good to go.
thanks man! I want a mossy nugg, but I would want to be able to discharge it if need be without murdering the occupants of the house next door. I had not really considered a milsurp handgun. Thanks for the recs anon.
hence why I don't want to break the bank (also I am a cheap asshole currently)
Back to the normal name eh?
I sold my CZ82 a few weeks ago cause I hated it.
all that good shit. /g/ was no help either.
cell phone time
Over a dollar a round is astronomical for ammo. If you don't reload and aren't comfortable financially it's prohibitively expensive.
Do you specifically want a milsurp gun? You could probably get a good used modern production handgun with a higher magazine capacity and is chambered in something common without too much patience on Armslist. Or a brand new Mossberg 500.
What didn't you like about it?
Shooting it wasn't very nice, mags were hard to load, hard to cock...
Overall shit compared to my Tok. (which I fucking LOVE)
I basically want something that is cheap, looks cool (wood is a plus) and will go bang when I pull the trigger. I thought milsurp might be the way to, but I am open to suggestions
Really? I've been toying around with both for a few months now, I feel like I have more control when I fire the 91/30. However first gun always gets first pick, I know them feels. I cannot ever give up my Marlin model 80
Seeing this new production 7.62x25 ammo just tickles my testicles.
There's nothing strictly speaking wrong with milsurp, but modern guns are generally going to be better with higher magazine capacity, cheap and easier to find ammo, and more choices in types of ammo. The only real downside would be initial cost of getting the gun.
At the end of the day though, a 9x18 will kill somebody just as dead as a .50AE, so it's really just up to what gun you'd want most in your price range that will function reliably.
Holy shit your cat looks exactly like mine.
Sorry for not milsurp.
thread bump with IG71/84 bore pic...excuse please quality not so good at taking this kind of pic
When I bought it the metalwork was grotty but in good condition underneath all the grit and dirt, the bore was good, the stock had been butchered. I bought a new stock and restored it.
The only way I'd buy an AR is if it looked like this. We still had the A2s when I went to basic so at least I got to shoot one there. I'm not sure what they do now that they can't destroy privates for carrying their rifle by the carrying handle.
last boot. Once again, /k/ has distracted me from doing something important. Fuck you, 25%-of-grade exam at 9:00 AM.
Yup, parts made during WWII under German occupation, assembled after the war in Czechoslovakia, sold to the Haganah/IDF in early 1948, after the War of Independence used as standard issue in the IDF and later rechambered to 7,62x51 sometime in the 50s and finally came back to Germany sometime post 70s(would have to check the Beschussamtsstempel for that)
And now it's mine.
pic related rest of the family
Well, you still have the Luger. Wenn du dein heimat mit einer deinen Waffen verteidigen muesste: welche?
>Sorry for shit German; ich wollte nur practieren
It's some of the best non-native speaker German I've read on 4chan so far. Shouldn't go unnoticed so here the necessary alterations: "Wenn du deinE Heimat mit einer deineR Waffen verteidigen mue(ü)sstest: welche?"
Difficult question. When I just need it to shoot one invader and ditch my gun for his it would be the Ljungmann.
If I had to fight through the whole conflict with it probably the Israeli, because it should be easier to find a steady supply of 7,62x51 than 8x57IS.
Danke schoen. Adjektivendungen waren fuer mich immer am schwierigsten.
Also, it's been years since I've actually spoken German at length. Anyway, nice rifles and pistol, man. Do people drool when you pull out a Luger at the range?
Sometimes. In our parts(Upper Franconia, West Czechia) people don't get excited too easily and Lugers aren't exactly rare. Alone in my gun club are at least two other owners, one has a WWII model the other an old artillery P08 with 8(?) inch barrel.
Thanks. Shotgun would have been fine, since it is already a widely known anglicism in German. Schrotflinte or in our case plural Schrotflinten would be the German equivalent.
I especially like the double barrel. Got it recently through an auction because a hunter died and the family couldn't/didn't want to keep the guns. With the right barrel I already hit dead center, the left barrel will take some more training I guess. The gun cost me 40€ which is pretty cool considering I bought a deactivated to blanks only double barrel for 250€ a couple years ago when I was still a nogunz
both actually, started off as MP because hitler didn't want more rifle designs so the called it a machine pistol, then when it was so succesful they couldn't keep it a secret from hitler he gave it the go and called it the sturmgewehr
>civilian bolt guns
There's your answer. The Mauser 98 type action lends itself very well to civilian hunting rifles and modern sniper rifles, but for a frontline standard-issue grunt's weapon I'd rather have a Lee-Enfield. And yes, I do own Mausers as well.
I'm back in business. Fuck you Java.
In all seriousness, what is the purpose of having the entire length of the barrel covered in wood? Why not just a small portion, like the M1 Carbine?
I can see so many negatives and no positives.
>weighs a fuckton
>traps moisture against barrel causing rust
>traps heat inside handguard preventing barrel cooling
>prevents option of free-floating
>>weighs a fuckton
Wow, that little bit of extra wood is too heavy?...Have you ever held an enfield?
And I think it helps with not dinging up the barrel.
You know, with bombs and shit going on around you it's kind of hard not to get a piece of shrapnel in your barrel.
It protects the barrel from damage by absorbing impacts and distributing the force.
Allows you to grab the barrel when fighting with the bayonet.
Proper bedding works just as well as free-floating for an infantry rifle.
>prevents free floating.
No.4 rifles had free floating heavy barrels from the factory. the SMLE wasn't designed to be free floated and performs better when properly tightened down into the stock.
Yeah, I have held an Enfield. I own one. My grandpa sporterized it and bedded it into a monte carlo stock and hunted deer and hogs with it for decades.
I just didn't see the point of all the extra wood. If I was infantry, I'd rather have the extra 1/2 pound to be ammo, not a log on my rifle.
At least this anon >>23166025
answered with something constructive. I hadn't thought of the bayonets man, thanks. Now it makes more sense
>finally get to see my guns this weekend
WHAT SHOULD I TAKE PICTURES OF? MY CIVIL WAR SPENCER?
MY LUGER? MY GARANDS? MY 1903? MY LJOUNGMAN? OH GOD SO MANY TO CHOOSE FROM
WHAT SHOULD PICTURES BE OF?!!!?
I've seen them go for $200-300 locally.
Why not all of them?
>How reliable are they?
god tier reliable, just use the factory fixed mags
>Is the ammo easy to come by?
7.62x39 is some of the easiest to come by ammo
Recently acquired Krag carbine, it seems bubba has touched it though
Romanian master race
Super reliable, and 7.62x39 is in just about every single wal-mart in the country and is available in bulk online
That poor rifle.
>Romanian Master Race
But that's wrong. Pic Related
Here's my oldest arsenal picture that I have. I should have known, even then, that I'd go the way of the milsurp.
Here's my oldest arsenal pic. It's about six years old. The AR isn't set up like that anymore (thank God because it's cringeworthy), the M91/30 is long gone, and the M48 pending a sale.
And here's the most recent.
I've got my guns divided between my apartment and my parents' house, so not pictured in this pic are all of the rifles in the previous pic minus the vz.58 and the sold off M91/30, and two Type 99s that I've got at my folks' house still.
Very nice. Funny how it works, isn't it? That AR looks like shit haha. Then again my Saiga 12 looks the same as it used to, which is like shit.
Here's my most recent arsenal pic. It's missing like 5 guns. That's the bitch of taking arsenal pics; there's always another one on the way.
It's fucking beautiful, eh? I trade the lack of handguard for it any day.
I love it. It's a fantastic rifle. I bought it from Czechpoint with a fixed stock and six magazines for $650 around six years ago, back when they paid you shipping and FFL fees for you and before they started wanting $1100 for their rifles. I got offered $2000 for it immediately after Sandy Hook and I'm still kinda kicking myself for not taking it.
You should have taken it, but I guess that's just my outsider perspective.
You could have had 2 FALs for it!
tfw eurofag and will never own an M39 Mosin rifle.
They shipped all those wonderful bastards over to the US.
innit though? It's sad to know I'll never own one.
I've sinned /k/! I sold my beat up old M44 awhile back, because I never shoot it anymore. I was hoping to pass it on to a young Kommando who would shoot it until it fell apart. When I met up though I had my doubts. The kid was a little scrawny limp handshaking faggot type. I went ahead with the sale though anyways since he had driven quite a ways. As we were parting I said, "enjoy it!". The little cocksucker turned around smiled and said, "oh I don't shoot them I just pack them away and keep them until they're gonna be worth something". I died a little that day.
I wish the first Romanian SKS I bought wasn't shit. I had to take it back to the gunstore owner and he swapped it out for a PU nugget with a little cash from me to cover the distance. He's got another one in, and this one should be good. I'm still figuring if I can get some skis along with that SKS by the end of this year.
The first SKS had a mag problem. Feedlips were worn and spread. The Mosin I got is in amazing condition.
>you must have been there to save it
I like the milsurp funnies.
is that your cat? one of mine is IDENTICAL to that.
I just opened the front pocket of my flecktarn vest that I got over a year ago, and saw a dirty earplug in there...
Shit yeah that's good. How's the bore?
It's so soft. Softer than the real thing by far.
Fuck. Some dude on fagbook just sold a Turkish Mauser with bayonet for $100. Earlier this week I saw someone sell a Finnish M91 for $175.
I asked this question in the Krag thread the other day and got half of an answer so I'll go again: Do aftermarket receiver sights designed for US Krags work with Norwegian receivers as well? Someone told me that the Redfield 70K uses the slot that the receiver cutoff occupies (which is what I wanted; I don't want to fuck with my receiver at all) but when I was looking them up online the seller said in the ad that they only work with American Krags and despite extensive googling I've been unable to find out if that's correct or just fudds fudding.
I wish I could have got to them first. Old guys don't know current values.
My fiance got it for me for my birthday. I'm sure you're right, though. What ladies don't love Soviet surplus?
Are you intentionally trying to end the thread or are you just a gaylord?
My uncle just gave me bubba'd Mosin that he dug out of a dumpster with no bolt, it is a 30'06 conversion but it is not a Bannerman. It has a Remington hex receiver on it but I'm wondering if it is sacrilege (or even possible) to buy a 91/30 and swap the receiver (and maybe the old iron sights) out. Anyone?
Does anyone own one of those German milsurp flecktarn Parka's.
Can't really go wrong for £35 but if anyone does have one could they give me their thoughts on it and the quality of both the Parka and the Lining?
You're in the wrong milsurp thread. You're looking for the milsurp camo circlejerk thread. This is the milsurp weapons thread. However, the parka with liner works for all but the coldest weather for me. I wear it down into the 20s but not much colder. That's fahrenheit btw.
The other thing that was weird to me when I got mine is that the parka doesn't attach to the liner in any way.
Also, just search for milsurp. It's always in the titles of both threads