Had a great thread the other day on starting a /k/ommune sort of thing by taking over an abandoned town. Now we need to find one that is suitable to our needs. Hopefully the guy who originally had the idea can come back and share some info.
Here's what it'll need to have/be:
Far away from other cities
Lot's of forest/Desert around it
Have buildings that aren't completely destroyed
Be able to support roughly 100 people to start with I'd assume
Having plumbing and electricity already installed would be nice
So who here has actual skills?
I'm sure most of /k/ can form a decent police force/militia, but what about how the other technical stuff we need.
We need to find someone who if not living there can come and teach us important skills.
I can do carpentry at a reasonable level, weld, am very competent at mechanicing cars, and a fair few other jack of all trades type things.
Problem is I'm in Australia.
But if someone can into a green card for me, then I'm in
Don't get too jizzed. It was just a 20' shipping container buried about 10 feet down.. According to the story I heard, back in the early 80;s a survivalist group moved into the area, and set up a community. When I first went up there about 6 years ago, it looked like the people just walked off, and left everything behind. Canned food, ammo,clothes, you name it. But no guns. The last time I was there was about a year ago. The local tweekers trashed the place. But it was mostly intact.
Yeah, still not keen. Though if it was a girl then I'd almost consider it.
Damn, I was picturing like an abandoned mil bunker or something. That would've been some rad shit
If you guys manage to get this shit rolling, I am legitimately a doctor (specialized in orthopedics) and would join on and help finance.
Sorry to disappoint ya. On the plus side, there are about 4 shallow wells, trees, and an ass load of deer. The whole valley has only 2 ways in&out. 10 guys with good scoped rifles could hold off a large ground force for a long time.
Ok so I'm not the guy from the other thread but I have some thoughts.
Abandoned towns are often abandoned for a reason, and without fairly constant influxes of cash or resources are going to stay abandoned. If we want to start a town from scratch in a productive/desirable area that's one thing, but refurbishing a town that's been abandoned for a while is going to be much harder, especially if it's off the grid or has no indoor plumbing.
The state and federal government is not going to take kindly to a bunch of squatters taking up residence in an abandoned area, especially if there are firearms involved and the squatters could potentially be misconstrued as some sort of militia. If you want /k/ town it needs to be a productive, fully-functioning town that has either been built from the ground up, or has been completely re-furbished. This is going to mean purchasing the property that we want this town to sit on. Also, a lot of you are going to need to cool it with the "shall not be infringed" rhetoric. We don't need a repeat of Waco. This will need to be a fully-functional, independent town with the most serious gun club in the country. We need to learn the local laws and ordnances (including property laws, firearms laws, health and safety laws, etc.) and we need to follow them to the best of our ability.
Towns don't just spring up. We'll need money to fund this town. We'll need to figure out where this money will come from and how we're going to implement it. We'll obviously need a treasury with an elected treasurer and some serious oversight.
Fire/EMS and Law Enforcement are often required by the state and will be required to abide by state laws and protocols. They are also often a part of a state-wide infrastructure. We will need a fire station with at least an engine and an ambulance and a police station with a fleet of squad cars. (cont'd)
>Would law enforcement/ems/fire department have to be state certified or could we just set up our own academy?
Are you dumb or are you capable of independent thought? Because this is as a stupid question as asking if the sun will come up after night.
>We will need a fire station with at least an engine and an ambulance and a police station with a fleet of squad cars
There are tons of remote Alaskan villages where there are no emergency services, including police. I think we would be fine without that.
These will need to function according to state and federal law and will be overseen by state and federal government.
Many of you are not actually going to want to live here. I know a lot of people are going to be super excited about the idea of living in a town founded by members of /k/ but after a few weeks of building/refurbishing houses and donating all of your income to the cause a lot of you are going to be ready to call it quits. This most likely won't be a huge problem if we actually have the money/resources to maintain the town despite the high level of resident turn-over. If we have a core group of individuals who are actually willing to live in the town and maintain it indefinitely, the rest of us can visit the town as we please and spend our tourist dollars there.
We should get the NRA or other gun lobbies involved. The prospect of a town that consists entirely of people who value the second amendment could be worth some serious charitable donations.
Plumbing/electricity and building construction all have to be done to a code and by people qualified to d that kind of work, and I don't mean "oh i did an addition on my house i could totes help build these houses yo." I mean people who have earned a license to do that. You will need professional architects and engineers, plumbers, construction workers, and electricians and the resources to supply them.
I'll post more thoughts as I think of them, but that's probably it for now. The money is the big obstacle. With enough of it you could buy land wherever you want and build whatever you wanted. A town takes a lot of money and resources to run. More money than probably any of you will see in your lifetime.
If we pitch to people correctly, its existence alone is worth money to people. If we get some FFLs involved, start a shooting range and license it to rent full-autos, tanks, etc. it's worth some serious tourist dollars as well. As I said, most of you won't want to live here, but being able to open carry without being harassed, shoot cool shit at the range, and visit the surplus stores that we put up, most of you will definitely want to visit and spend money.
Oh dude I'd be down for permanent residency if there was enough income there.
Like I said earlier I'm a massive /o/tard so would need enough money for cars.
Fuck, that's a thought: we'd need fuel as well.
I wouldn't live in any commune that would be filled with only /k/tards.
For starters, tripping on dragon dildoes laying on streets on my way home would probably get annoying after a while.
not to mention naked, heavily armed, tripping-on-mushrooms people creeping in the night looking for the skinwalker on my backyard.
Oh, this shit again.
This always works out so well.
You guys are totally gonna make this happen, i just know it.
I'm a pretty damn good cook. Only job related to it was being a fry cook in high school, but I usually make stuff for dinner (excluding ramen noodles and microwave meals) almost every night.
I've got some carpentry, building, welding, smithing, metalworking, agriculture, animal husbandry, electronics and engineering experience. Trained with a medic, few nurses and a couple of doctors, degree in engineering and diploma in laboratory science. Problem is, like >>24863809 I'm in Australia.
I like the island idea. You could build a resort with a premier golf course and shooting range. This could fund our little /k/ommune. There are several uninhabited islands on the Carolina coast. Look up dafuske island in south Carolina. The island survives on tourist dollars from the resort and people who take a ferry over from Hilton head. We could use this model to build a gun owners resort.
Supplies and a way to either trade for goods and new supplies/equipment or a way to make money to obtain those things. We can't grow ammo on trees (I know, I know, I wish we could too). There has to be a realistic option, but I wouldn't have a problem selling everything off and moving somewhere like that.
>a /k/ommune sort of thing by taking over an abandoned town.
????!!!!!!!!!!!....this can actually work if our "town" had an economy to support it --( something or some industry that it preformed to make money and keep the town going)--
if we had that and a little organization then we will have founded a new town, no really that is about all that is needed to found a town ....
why would you take over an abandoned town. is it so its like a military shit? cuz then ur just gonna get waco'd.
if 100 people can donate 5000 then thats 500,000 dollars. You could buy a big ass piece of land and a fuckload of concrete. Make some efficiency style small bunkers with personal gardens. Each man sustain his own food. Make a blacksmith and a main bunker and storage. Cutting down the woods will provide you with a fuckload of lumber. Surround the place with a ring of woods with one fat patch of dense forest. Surround this shit with fences. Build concrete vehicle defenses like jack-style tank barriers and toblerones. Build a nice firing range of course. Farm grains and corn for beer and liquor and bread.
Why take over an abandoned town when you can legally make a bunker village with a stocked pond and game preserve.
also i will happily run the general item store
4 years of butcher experience and 10 years of reloading
Hered to hoping that this actually happens as it seems one of these threads pops up every month but nothing ever is accomplished
there even seems to be an old corral for cattle and what not.
Starting a nation is nearly impossible but not a town so long as we have some sort of means to start an economy we're golden. like what these anons mentioned
>dem freedom quads
Police State Pancakes (Pancakes with strawberries and blueberries on top of vanilla icing)
Chai, authentic Middle Eastern Chai, not that starbucks shit
Sunday Slippery Spaghetti Special
Doritos/Mountain Dew combo boxes
That area actually doesn't get hit with many hurricanes. They ussually either track north towards the outer banks or stay south towards the Caribbean. Even if you do get hit with one a serious category 5 is a once every 50 years type of thing. I'd rather deal with a hurricane every once in a while than live in a dessert where we don't even have water to grow food with.
Wow guess I finally threw out something that stuck nice.
Been playing with these threads for years now and it usually revolves around retirement by swat team/ hellfire. But this assumes we are important enough to justify the budget cost.
Laws are easy to follow and easier to side step legitimately. It's almost like they where all written to manipulate the lowest common denominator with the least amount of effort by mediocre minds. It's really not hard to play nice and still have fun (funs).
That's why I started suggesting doing it legit.
In the past I've suggested homesteading deserted autonomous zones like "The Mesa" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgTGPJtvmS8 or "Slab City" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpPmT7S4zHE.
Then I tried suggesting out right manufacturing our own nomadic island chain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_Island
Converting moving trucks into rolling fortress RVs - /k/ gypsy caravan and restarting the "Great American Traveling Gunshow" all Wild Bill style but with a modern flare. Like a /k/ Rainbow Family/dead head/phish circuit.
I figure if bums and burnouts can do it like shit why can't /k/ do it in style?
Beat me to it. Dat earth brick machine, Dat modular utility tractor, Dat powercube!
Keep in mind we live in an age where automated closed loop farming is doable, most of our primary devices nowadays run of less that 12 volts, solar is cheaper than ever, processing/ refining garbage into fuel is a backyard project now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o5M6v1eD4I.
Cracking fuel vapor triples gas mileage lowers engine temp and can even let you run engines of old.
Atmospheric condenser = dehumidifier on steroids with built in water filter/conditioner means you can produce perfect water from even desert air.
Turns out dead car batteries can be rebuilt using alum (pickling salt) instead of acid and can be built from scratch with lead and cloth.
I live in 2015 anyone else?
The guys over at /k/ountry are wanting to do this and are attempting it now.
Go fucking help them.
not a bad place to have a town...
its in a good spot in the bend of I-40 and Vegas is up the road but not nearby so-cal is also down the road but not near ... the spot is kinda empty now
you know that all the stuff like guns, ammo, uniforms, flags, and the like that the US military uses, by law, must be made in the US.
im thinking we make something that the US military needs (like uniforms) (that has become an issue with all the clothing manufacturing jobs being moved overseas)
Cause the guys over there are dumb as fuck
Their "plan" is to be a PMC and that is where they will get their funding as if anyone is going to hire overweight sweaty neckbeards armed with nuggets for important contracts.
We are actually trying to make a viable self sustaining community here.
My idea is build the town up into a group owned theme park thing. Kinda like a carnival that each ride is owned by the individual operator running under a universal banner.
A /k/ themed town with real deal ranges, training facilities, but with themed areas for re-enactment groups/roleplayers/ best birthday weekend ever etc (civil war, ww trenches, castles, wasteland etc) with the appropriate facilities/infrastructure for camping several hundred at a time for events. SCA wars are awesome and (once again) a good source of sexually permissive women who are down with innawoods, fighting, and sweaty guys!
But i do dream of roller coaster track shooter kill houses. Cuz I want to get a picture of my war face riding a coaster sideways blazing away at animated reactive targets (like splash mountain with an AR). Real life Metro coaster anyone?
Build up main street into an open air gun show with Kyber pass feels for the selling of our manufactured goods and acquired surplus.
Set up a "bed and breakfast" (cot and MRE) outpost tent city for newbs and guests looking for the /k/ommando life experience.
Make it a destination location with a small number of permanent residents, a bunch of timeshare bunkers/tiny fortresses (/k/ tiny house), and big multiple annual events.
Being "off the grid" should be a matter of economics. We have alternatives that just work better. Like why pay for phone lines when a sat link is about the same price if not cheaper than copper (gotta love the future).
Collecting grant money and green points for doing so is an economic factor to consider too. Round us up a bunch of slaves erm unpaid interns receiving valuable real word life experience and college credits in exchange for work/ servitude?
Thinking in terms of /k/ theme park it gives many avenues for income and places in the /k/ommunity.
We got grownups running books/ paperwork, we got seasonal help, we got some folks that build up a bunker/houses and then rent it out for most of the year, we got the manufacturers and associated handyfolks, we got ride/range operators, we got patch covered autistic zerg faced armed "travel guides" dragging tourists around the zones.
There is a place for everyone.
I like the STALKER/guide idea
Make people pay for camping trips through the mountains, tell /k/ spooky skinwalker stories, have an "artifact" hunt for kids.
I'd definitely be willing to do this just need a week or so to get a lay of the land.
Imagine if in the middle of the night a few npcs (campers in the fold) disappear (into a hidden bunker that controls the hidden speakers and special effects planted around the site)
At the end you see something attack the guide and right when your about to get eaten it runs away and the /k/ police come up and rescue you, if you ask them about what happened they'll say, I wouldn't worry about it.
I was the anon suggesting we start with a small group buying a farm and trying to make the land profitable. It'd be easier for a small group, less than 12 to seriously put the money together for the land. Then kommandos could come on as a temporary/seasonal basis. See if they like it without having to drop everything and move.
/k/ has the skills that if we can get just a few well motivated people to start this, many others will join.
We need 3 things.
1. Leadership (the small group to make basic plans. Buying the land, creating logistics, formulating goals /short/med/long term)
2. Kommandos willing to come on board. Even just for a summer. Getting to know people in person really lets you know who is serious and what they can do to help.
3. Expansion. Once you have the land and skilled labor you need to pick a direction and go into it. Whether its farming, shooting range, FFL, or a combination of those and other ideas. You need a way to sustain the kommunity. Upkeep costs (electricity, water, property taxesl, expansion costs (building a range, farm equipment, livestock, ammo, reloading supplies) and wages/ compensation for kommandos that work.
With the right planning and leadership, this is more practical than most realize. Buying an island might be a poor man's dream, but a farming/firearm kommunity is something we can actually do.
ah..no..... actually, a shortcut with fuel, food, parking (like for 18 wheeler's and all the tour bus's taking people from LA-X to the grand canyon ), hotels, and the like. is a better way to make money at the start.
----- and we have some gun ranges and the like for all the tourist coming in from country's that dont allow guns, coming to see the grand canyon and cowboys and the american west ----- its a good start
I am pretty good at: drinking, fucking, killing small animals, getting high, shooting pop cans with an sks and evading the police.
I also have a GF with a phat ass and will kill people for cigarettes.
Can I live with you guys?
This is something I've been interested in for years. Sadly the /kountry/ ideas were often to grand and unsustainable.
I'm going to talk to a couple people and what we can put together. These two threads have renewed my interest and I'm happy to see some grounded plausible ideas.
I'm going to talk to some people and see what feedback I get. Land in Wyoming/Nevada is pretty affordable, but takes a lot of work to make use of. With enough kommandos though it can be done.
Hell I found 40acres in Nevada for $7000. I'll see what I can with actual research.
We need some anons to look into what kind of licensing we need for a range/gun rental probably get an FFL too.
We can advertise to califags or foreigners and let them come shoot real guns
Glad to see this thread really took off. I went and looked at the /kountry/ and the idea is nice but what they are trying to do probably won't work well in Africa. A town out west seems like the best idea yet. Now we just need a way for serious anons. Anyone have any ideas? Irc might work, but we need a concrete method of communication
>implying I want to live anywhere near armed people from 4chinz
Elk Mount Tennessee
Lost Cove Tennessee
In the town set up "Temple of the cube". Not-for profit philosophy/ alternative school. Not a church or religion. A philosophy like Buddhism. Make the wisdom of the cube able to infiltrate everything instead of a secular cult. But then we can have devoted full timers. Gunmonks so to speak. Spending an entire lifetimes committed to constructing/using weapons the operator equivalent of Shaolin.
Not calling them clerics and using gun kata.
IRC is up.
Webchat.freenode.net channel #Arkadia.
I wonder if this will be like 4cannon. *shudders*
8years infantry in another nation's army. Combat First Aid certified. I've mentored Afghan officers and enlisted men. Pretty sure training motivated, intelligent middle-class individuals will be a breeze. Need a green card though.
Step 1: Someone buys a house in said abandoned town and moves into it. That person is now in charge of establishing the framework of government.
Step 2: A talented and experienced gun smith moves in next door. Through his own pocket or community funding, he has a machine shop and a license to fabricate and modify firearms.
Step 3: Construct a shooting range appropriate for any and all /k/ommandos. Make youtube videos demonstrating the reliability and accuracy of these superior /k/ firearms on said range.
Step 4: Manufacture and distribution of legal hand made firearms generate revenue for the city. Other business move in to feed, clothe and house the skilled laborers at the machine shop. A public house would be most likely to open its doors, as its uses are wide ranging and essential.
Step 5: With more income and a larger population, the town will eventually become incorporated with legitimate government recognition. A true /k/ paradise will be on its way.
For all interested:
webchat.freenode.net channel #Arkadia
And for those who want to stay in the loop about the Kommunity:
>go to soviet or Army "boot camp" for a week or 2
>Have actual firearms instructors there
>have building classes for AR's and AK's
>pay a pretty penny but leave with a new gun and some good to great tier training
That would be neato. and for the Stalker/ innawoods tour you could issue Airsoft or paintball guns to shoot mutants with.
>It would also be kind of fun to sell "tokens" as bottle caps and have everything payed for that way.
I've got a bachelor's in agricultural science.
We sold the farm right before I graduated though so I dunno.
You mean new manufacture?
>if people were making their own no FFL would be needed as far as I know. But manufacturing of guns could be a money maker.
Gun City, USA
Kommando Junction, USA
any of those would be a pretty badass stamping, become a great manufacturing city like Brno, Tula, Izhvesk, Herstal etc. Quality control, reliability, and overall quality should be our number one priorities.
I like the idea of survival training,
>The Stalingrad Special
Winter survival training. The person is issued a Nagant, ammo pouch, and cleaning kit and taken innawoods during the winter
>The Rhodesian Retreat
Basic course on desert/arid survival course. Issued a ridiculous pair of shorts on signup and taken innadesert
>The Ho Chi Mihn Holiday
Given no training and issued shitty Vietnam era milsurp. Dropped in jungle and picked up one week later at designated area
>The Snackbar Surprise
Basics of guerrilla/insurgent fighting. Given a smaug and pair of bdu pants
I can go on
Why not buy a private island in international waters? An actual island though, artificial islands/structures have no territorial waters of their own, and as such can be claimed by a ruling body.
Get diplomatic recognition from a nearby country and boom presto, you're a country free to make your own laws. The only trouble then is setting up a working government, internet, housing, plumbing, irrigation, and food.
>On the whole, Australian Government departments do not interfere with the Principality of Hutt River. While the Australian Taxation Office has issued a warning on its website for overseas investors not to purchase companies from the PHR, it has not otherwise acted against the principality. In 2010, Brendon Grylls, the Western Australian Minister for Regional Development and Lands, was asked if his state had a position on the province. He replied "Only that Prince Leonard is an enigma ... There is nothing currently on my agenda as Minister ...that relates to that."
>Similarly, the PHR does not pay taxes to the ATO. The ATO has also stated that Leonard Casley is "a non-resident of Australia for income tax purposes".
OP any city in California's central valley will fit the bill. Modesto or Turlock would be ideal because of the existing gun stores there. Homes are cheap as shit because the economy is falling out of the floor there due to the Drought, only issue is getting non-PG&E water.
Seriously though, if you want to do this all you need is $500,000; half for land and the other half for mobile homes/water hookup/food. I actually live near a christfaggot commune up here in the mountains outside of Colfax. It's easy to do, the only issue is that you'd actually need to interact with people in real life. I'm not sure if anyone on /k/ will actually go that far especially ones that have actual lives.
because islands are hugely expensive, travel there would be expensive and getting water/food would be difficult
however, if someone had some real balls we could buy a disused oil rig and park it exactly 12 miles off the coast. Ideally, you'd do this offshore of California where the water is moderately warm (no ice) but there aren't any hurricanes as there are in the gulf
but the problem with all of this is that you need a lot of navy/boat/seascout types to do this properly
land is cheap outside of the big cities and California leads the US in "hate groups" and survivalist communes
yeah it's shit but it's the right type of shit for what op wants to do. Setting up a /k/ trailer park off the Sacramento River is doable. We could even rent out space to homeless people, as long as we setup showers/garage for them the surrounding area would be grateful and we could register as a charity to avoid taxes. Only problem is that you're living inside Detroit: desert edition
fuck we could even do it on an abandoned naval base, complete with shelter, river access and utility hookups:
though more likely we'd do it just south of Stockton, problem is that KB Homes is already building something there so shit's expensive so land would easily cost 700k-1,000,000
An abandoned naval base would be 10/10 perfect.
/o/tard here again, we could hold car events to raise money from that. Drifters love having places to slide, and so if it was a $10 fee or whatever to come skid around the place (and a navy base is perfect) then I think that would net some decent profit.
too bad it's not for sale because the Navy is the Navy and CA real estate politics is a fucking nightmare
but like he suggested doing it somewhere in the marshland between Concord and Stockton is probably our best bet. Some place on Sherman Island or Jersey Island would be great, as long as we didn't develop it beyond a handful of trailer homes and garages. If we setup a dock we can setup a marine gas station just inbetween SF and Sacramento. Don't know if anyone is actually selling land out there though.
Alternatively, we could go full retard and buy something directly on the coast down near Watsonville or Monterrey. It's incredibly secluded because Californians stick to the 99 and I-5 corridors.
PG&E is the company/beast/demon that manages California's water utility service. Having something separate from them would be nice, but the state's been very anal retentive on well drilling because of the Drought.
But I like the idea here better >>24876053 having access directly to sea/bay water means that we can desalinate it as long as we don't hurt the Delta Smelt.
I don't see anyone proposing any better. All I know is that you can get lots of acreage for cheap and you don't have to worry about freezing in the winter. Also easy access to jobs, because some people here might have one.
Honestly if I had to take a stance on this the IDEAL place for a /k/ompound would be near the great lakes but I don't know any specifics up there. Maybe /k/ could buy out half of Gary, spend a weekend razing it, and turn it into a managed wildlife area with a /k/amp in it.
I created a slideshow with the most plausible means of action.
a /k/ompound would probably be best served between Cleveland and Buffalo, cheap rural rust belt real estate can be found there. We could also have it farther east outside of Kewanuee, Wisconsin
Firstly, 100 people is far too liberal an estimate. The Rhodie camo guy only got 500 out of 1500 signups and that's just for maybe $100 worth of fashion. If someone here was actually serious about making a /k/ompound, they'd be lucky to get five or six people if that.
Secondly, the #1 thing you need for this project are tradesmen, specifically carpenters, plumbers, and electricians. And you need someone to manage them too.
Thirdly, if the /k/ompound is built what exactly is it going to be? A tourist trap? A christian commune? A hippie yurt community? How will the person in charge determine who is allowed to live there? How will it's residents make money? What happens if too many people want to live there, especially if they're not from /k/? I'm talking about homeless people and drifters in particular. If the goal is to be just a self-sufficient community, then how much money is everyone required to invest? Will rent be charged?
Fourthly, what about security? If a member lives on it with his family and beats his wife will the others rat him out? If someone's kid turns out to be a jugalo/trash what then? Are those kids sent to normal school or are they homeschooled? What happens if someone is illegally making NFA items and selling them?
I really don't mean to be a cynical fuck but all these issues must be addressed before any field work is done. From what I reckon, the best chance at a "successful" /k/ompound would be a trailer park with a large workshop and a greenhouse. The biggest issue would be whether or not it's residents would actually commit the rest of their lives to it or if it would fizzle out after 5-6 years leaving the property owner broke. Of course this issue is somewhat negated if you pick a property near a city.
it'd be a trailer park with a workshop/greenhouse and with a game/wildlife preserve next to it. You'd need at least 500 acres for a good sized one though.
it could work, only question is where
Starting college this fall for EMT certification, before I was a salesman, carried shit loading 18-wheelers, and currently work at a farm. Wife is finishing courses to be a teacher. So as of now, I can talk and perform the physical labor.
If my girlfriend and I could get payed enough to afford a home or lumber to build a home,food,gas,electricity,internet, and have some left over each paycheck to save up for funs. I would move there right now.
>disused oil rig
Would be classified as an artificial structure, which, under the UN convention Law of the Sea disallows it from being claimed as a territory. It would simply be a thing floating in international waters, and, if the US decided to, they could simply extend their reach and own the water the oil rig would be standing in.
I'm a teacher, high school. Maths and CS, could probably cross-train for Physics, Geography, Kubism. Languages and the social studies area are not so much my thing though.
I can use tools, weld, stuff like that.
I could probably build a stable(ish) cabin given some 2x4s, plywood, a drill and a bunch of screws.
Problem is, I am not even Australian (worse: a Kraut).
Britbong here. I can't just up and leave my life over here but if this gets up and running I would be happy to join you guys for 3 months a year and do manual labour or general handyman stuff in return for food and a place to stay. I'm pretty sure a lot of people on here would like to do the same thing as it would be like a holiday in return for services. Also I will need to borrow funs as the paperwork required to bring them would not be worth it.
Britbong here. I can't just up and leave my life here but spending a couple of months a year in the states would be fun as fuck. If this gets up and running I would love to stay with you guys and do manual labour or general handyman stuff in return for food, ammo and a place to stay. The only problem is the paperwork required to ship funs overseas is buttfuck retarded so I will be noguns unless a fine /k/ommando would be willing to let me use one of theirs.
Thanks. At least someone read the slideshow I made. This is something I've been considering for awhile.
I'll be in the irc in a few hours.
i'm poor and untrained with nothing to gain nor lose i'm not opposed to becoming a journeyman armorer
I'm in the middle of taking my pilot's license. If it's out in the middle of nowhere, set up a good airstrip for goods deliveries like we did up north. You don't need a dedicated airport. Just a strip, lighting, and a hanger+"terminal" (read, a shack with a desk and maps and appropriate paperworks) and you're good to go.
If the town ever takes off (hue), I'll buy a place right by the airstrip.
How bout the old buckner building in whittier AK? its not really all that isolated, but its on the edge of civilization, and AK doesnt really regulate guns anyway.
it was a fully contained military base all wrapped up in one large building. Its been beat to hell over the years, but the concrete frame is sound
What's the local fauna look like?
how's the soil? What's it's ph? How much is there?
is it on any aquafers? How's the water in that area anyway?
does it have an airstrip
how the hunting
can we legally own it or are we just squatters?
I got loads more, whatever we do we need to make sure we have our asses covered legally before atf and fbi have a barbecue over our smoldering Waco 2.0 ashes
Nope, its pretty much left alone. The local kids have tagged the shit out of the inside and knocked out most of the drywall over the years though. Its basically just a large concrete skeleton now that could be reconfigured to suit our needs.
Save up enough money and contact the artist-you could probably just buy the cube and build a shrine for it.
>Make it big enough to allow for spaces in the wall for urns, in case you want to be interred forever in the presence of the
>Have a crypt below the /k/ube for if a /k/ommando dies and he has nobody to pass a beloved firearm down to
>Eternal /k/ server in a back room
Might raise problems, though. Maybe keep it as a backup if/when 4chan falls.
Its southern alaska, so you have deer, moose, wolves etc. The building sits in a bay with a freshwater stream within a quarter mile. Dunno about legal ownership. it's pretty much completely abandoned, but it was once federal property. They did however sell a neigboring building off to be converted into residential. don't know about soil either, but the terrain wouldn't be great for farming, you could do it but it wouldn't be fun
Looks like it's right on a rail line. If you couldn't do what >>24879316
mentioned, talk to a rail company about shipping goods to that line.
I like the idea of an airstrip, though, but only if we pull a Buffalo and use milsurp aircraft like DC-3s and C-46s
Alaska makes subsistence farming a bitch. We would have to do it in house via electricity, green house oland or a underground set up.
Damn why couldn't that building be southern east coast or mid west with temporate areas and rich soil.
Though Alaska ( cascandia - California, Canada, Alaska ) has some great hunting and wilderness survival areas from what I hear.
if there's a long stretch of cleared area that we could concrete asphalt down we'd have a airstrip. Idk what local, federal and international laws are that we'd need to follow. But I'd imagine we would would have little to no issue with unannounced flying to Russia and Canada (no not atf and no not lord of war gun trafficking - but it would make get together easier).
We could do a tunnel rat idea for store rooms and perishable supplies. Think Vietnam but modern and not so communistic that US leo gets panties a Twix thinking about it.
In fact why don't we have the chapel of the /k/ube underground in a large opening, acessable via tunnels. Urns and oils, incense, etc.
The remnants of an old tunnle system still exist, so thats a start i suppose.
I dont think theres enough space for anything more than a STOL strip. This is a tiny little bay, the only ways in are through the bay or through a 2.5 mile long tunnel. As far as supplies, the bay has a very small port in it, and a railway to support it. Anchorage is also only about an hour away. Not ideal, but still an option
Agreed that buying and managing an entire town is something we could neither afford nor maintain. It's not cost effective and we could never start it up from scratch.
There is a long list of suggestions that /k/ has made that, while being fun thoughts and wishes, are completely impractical, unrealistic and just too expensive.
This thread has been one of the most grounded and practical versions of its form that I've seen in a long time and its reassuring. We can keep progressing though to make this something that ends up as more than the hundreds of similar threads before it.
Let's steer away from private islands, oil rigs and entire towns and look at something actually obtainable.
I created a slide show here that highlights my main points and suggestions of what I think we can actually do to establish a small farming/firearm community.
That infographic is largely bunk. I lived on a completely food self sufficient microfarm for about a year. The graphic is using figures for hugely inefficient row farming. The farm fed 5 adults and 3 kids with gardens that amounted less than 800 square feet using the square foot method and the beginning of an aquaponic system.
After NuggetFest I'll see if I can set up a standard schedule for IRC chat meetings.
Thank you for the insight. It was literally the only farming picture I had on my computer and truth is I just used to increase the likelihood of people reading my comment.
I laughed harder than i should have..
No problem. Looks like youre doing some research so heres a few keywords you might want to look up at leisure if you haven't done so that helped me and a number of people out:
*Square foot farming,
*veteranary or farm animal medication (dont require prescription but chemically identical to FDA standard),
*Back yard irrigation,
*Diy gravel water filter (doesnt use activated charcoal)
*Shear thickening fluid (non newtonian fluid reinforcement for conventional and ballistic cloth
Wow good PowerPoint what style is that? Seriously.
discussing the PowerPoint material itself. You make alot of valid points. At the moment I think this is more speculative than concrete. Let's iron out the kinks now, so they don't come up later. We already have our work ahead of us.
Please post info on how we can do this more effectively.
I have a few interior shots. They arent great, but they kinda show the condition of things. Again, the idea would be to pretty much construct our own interior anyway.
Im at work at the moment. I have collected a few things the dokument does not have as well as a few first hand experiences that haven't been documented well but some are routinely posted in infodumps. If this thread is still up later i can post some of the graphics
Great suggestions, I appreciate that. I really like the aquaponics idea. Especially in a semi arid location like Nevada that would be a good use of water. The overflow system from the fish tanks filtering out into the plants and keeping them watered while also being self cleaning for the tanks.
>Wow good PowerPoint what style is that? Seriously.
Thanks, the style is called "Lesson plan."
It looks like a lot of work, but I like the amount of space. HOWEVER, there are a plethora of potential legality issues with "squatting" or adopting abandoned land. We'd have to cut out any hopes of anything corresponding to an FFL or for-profit-range on land we don't hold a deed or title to. Which is partly why I'm rooting for actually buying land.
Personally I'd like to have an incontestable property deed in my hand that can't be refuted in the court of law.
I'm heading out to NuggetFest a few days early to enjoy a nice drive out west. The time is quite convenient, I can try to take photos of some of the properties being considered for purchase when I drive through Wyoming and Nevada.
I love youtube sometimes. There are tons of diy on the cheap project ideas. I read in Iraq families cobble together aquaponic greenhouses together out of scrap, and even the greenhouses are made of 2 litre soda bottles.
Yeah, its a crapshoot whether or not the govt would sell the property. On one hand, its kinda historic. But on the other, they did look into demolishing it but decided against it due to the logistical nightmare of hauling debris through the previously mentioned tunnel.
so i dunno how much they still care about the place. they definitely wanted to be rid of it at one point, but I don't know if that's still the case.
Heres a view into the bay from the roof, you can see how close the little port is.
This practically reaks with potential!
Thank you man, knowledge is power.
Awesome Im going to download that when I get the chance as I'm in academia .
A very good plan.
Not only is that remarkably scenic and beautiful. It also illustrates how viable a port/air based infrastructure could be.
If they wanted to demolish it at one point than they would most likely consider selling it off for profit. I'd talk to the local military liason and at least see if that's possible. What are squatter laws in the Arctic north anyways?
>Awesome Im going to download that when I get the chance as I'm in academia
Google documents is quite nice. Free power point, spread sheet, documents etc.
Also, we're almost at bump limit. If someone wants to put up another thread I can collect my links and get them ready to post to the new thread.