>>25652901 For anything SOF, you will almost certainly need TOP SECRET just to even "make the cut".
Typically you will not have to talk about fucked up porn or 4chan unless you take a polygraph and a psychological evaluation. For porn, they really don't care unless you are into beastiality, CP, etc. For 4chan, they don't really care unless it relates to fucked up porn.
You should most certainly tell them, if you're going for a TOP SECRET clearance. They don't care if you're in to fucke d up shit, it won't hurt you. What will hurt you is stuff that you keep concealed and could be used to blackmail you.
>Debt >Affairs >CP >Illegal things on the internet
>>25653025 If you're going for TOP SECRET, you may have to have an interesting conversation with a psychologist, but I don't think it will affect your eligibility to handle classified info. I'm not really sure if that's blackmail-able.
>In a university setting, Applicant was a polysubstance experimenter and abuser. He contributed to, or purchased outright, some of the substances used. His one-time experimentation with Psilocybin mushrooms, cocaine, and liquid codeine, as well as his three-time experimentation with LSD and Adderall all ceased before he graduated from college in May 2013. The Psilocybin mushroom incident occurred in October 2009. The liquid codeine incident and the cocaine incident both occurred in October 2010. The last experimentation with LSD and use of Adderall both ceased in May 2013. In addition, Applicant�s more frequent use of marijuana ceased in October 2012. His motivation was generally to fit in with his peers and because of curiosity. His use of Adderall was to enhance his focus and to better enable him to study for tests and work on school projects. Applicant�s use of drugs never resulted in a positive drug test or incidents involving the police or judicial authorities, and he never sought or received treatment for his drug use. The sole sources for the information developed regarding Applicant�s drug involvement are his self-reported responses to various inquiries. Applicant�s actions under the circumstances confronting him no longer cast doubt on his current reliability, trustworthiness, or good judgment. Clearance is granted. CASE NO: 14-00919.h1
>>25653011 >Applicant obtained some classified documents from another government agency (AGA) and transferred them to the acting Facility Security Officer (FSO) at his new employer using all the proper protocols. Several days later, after checking with the Joint Personnel Adjudication System (JPAS), the FSO determined that Applicant did not possess a valid DOD security clearance. The FSO reported the "security incident" to the Defense Security Service (DSS) which, in turn, notified AGA. Applicant's employer determined that his actions violated unspecified security policies and procedures. Applicant actually did have a valid security clearance, but it had not been transferred into JPAS. Applicant's actions in acquiring foreign citizenship and a foreign passport were directed by AGA. Personal Conduct concerns are mitigated. His actions under the circumstances do not cast doubt on his current reliability, trustworthiness, or good judgment. Clearance is granted.
>>25653171 >How did they find out, though? Just asking friends?
Social friends, references, co-workers, employers, random neighbors...
>>25653011 >Applicant owns a condominium in Thailand. He has extended family members who are citizens and residents of Thailand, some of whom work or have worked for the government of Thailand. Between 2008 and 2011, he purchased sex from foreign nationals in foreign countries. His foreign relatives and past criminal conduct are no longer a security concern. The ownership of a condominium in Thailand, when balanced against his financial interests in the United States, does not pose a security concern. The foreign influence security concerns are mitigated. Eligibility for access to classified information is granted.
>Applicant has a history of engaging in inappropriate sexual behavior, including soliciting prostitutes, touching women inappropriately, watching pornography on work computers, and masturbating in public places. Applicant recognizes that he has a compulsive disorder, and he is highly committed to rehabilitation, attending multiple types of therapy, including cognitive therapy with mental health professionals and spiritual therapy through his church. Although he has made significant progress over the years, it is too soon to conclude that he has mitigated the security concerns. Clearance is denied.
Is there any way to just get that shit without an employer? I got an employer around here will hire me if I get a secret but they won't help me get there. They've had the damn job open for a year but haven't changed their tune. It's a good paying job as well.
>>25653268 Most employers don't want to foot the bill for the background checks, and instead lets the government do it (and then just poaches the person from the government). It can cost several thousand dollars to do an extensive background check on someone.
Yup. 20+ years ago my grandma was a manager at a retail store and one of her employees was trying for some SOF position in the Navy and she had a man come to the store and gave her a two hour interview about him. If he was a good worker, if he followed directions well, if he was rude, etc.
And that was over 20 years ago. Probably closer to 30 by now.
It's absolutely no reason to tell them. If your friends aren't faggots, no one will ever tell them.
Most of these people are civilian contractors. They're on a different set of criteria. Admitting to a military recruiter that you smoked weed will get you turned away from every single branch right now.
>Applicant has not filed federal or state tax returns since 2004. He has not paid federal or state taxes for the period. He incurred a judgment and medical debt in 2004 that have not been resolved. Though he paid some listed debts, he did not present sufficient evidence in mitigation to remove the security concerns under the financial considerations guideline. Eligibility for access to classified information is denied. CASE NO: 11-08617.h1
How the fuck do you go 10+ years of never filing your taxes?
Civilian here, only attained Secret and not TS, but the SF 86 (which is the main form that you fill out) doesn't give a fuck about what you do on 4chan. They don't care about shitposting,t hey only care about patterns of behavior that could render you a security risk (repeated drug/alcohol abuse, financial troubles, etc). Just BE TRUTHFUL on the application and if they ask you about anything and you should be fine. Good luck!
>>25653192 Because he told them like it is and doesn't do drugs currently, he gave them no reason not to trust them. When you read the things, a clear picture of "don't fucking lie to us ever and it will be fine" seems to permeate the decision making.
>>25653738 Right now, they can boot you for just about anything. There's no demand for soldiers and they can't find enough to do with the troops they already have.
If you must tell them, tell them for the security clearance section, not the introductory questionnaire.
Case in point, a lot of the people in >>25653011 have police records regarding DUIs and weed, and their clearance was granted. Right now, any arrest or conviction of just about any kind will get you denied.
>>25653738 My friend told his recruiter that he smoked weed. The recruiter gave him a drug test and sure enough he failed. They threw the test away and told him they would wait until he is clean, but they went ahead and got started on his paperwork.
This was back in 2007 though. I should have joined with him because now I can't get waivers so I won't be able to join unless shit really hits the fan.
Fuck these gay ass captchas. In case anyone was wondering, the cheesesteak was the second one.
>>25653791 From the military. They'll let contractors in as long as they aren't currently using and will state that they will not use in the future. The military is a more high-stress position and they don't want people to crack.
>>25653797 Log out of gmail, and you'll get the normal captchas.
>>25653824 Shit nigger, I don't know. My dad was DOD for years and he was a massive pothead in the 60s, and he doesn't even know if they asked his friends.
I have to assume that the people doing the security clearances are weighed according to the nature of their job along the same guidelines. But if these people are getting their clearances even with debt and criminal and drug histories as long as they promise to not break the rules anymore, smoking a joint in college isn't going to keep you out even today.
>>25653515 Let's say you've got the clearance to get your hands on a document, and I want that document to help my terrorist organisation.
I do some digging around, and find out you used to look at cp. I befrend you in what seems like a normal way, build rapport, gain your trust. Over the course of a few months, I start bringing up porn in our conversations - start off showing you some light jailbait, keep building it up and up until we're regularly exchanging the really nasty cp shit.
Once I have your total trust, I get you in to my "secret club", and give you a once in a lifetime oppertunity to actually have a go on a loli.
Then I show up at your house the next day with a few dozen pictures of you having sex with a 6 year old, threatening to put them up in the playground of your kids school, in the building where your wife works, and outside every member of your families house, unless you bring me the document I want.
>that feel when brother applying to MI6 >that feel when I had to sign an agreement for background checking as did Mum and Dad >that feel when my entire search history is on file somewhere >that feel when my brother has probably been asked about it >that feel when MI6 is laughing at me
>>25653171 What I never understood is do pie plexiglas use those drugs tell MEPS? Cause if you lie at MEPs and tell the truth on your SF86 or to the investigator how do they not catch that? If not that waivers are a lot easier to come buy than people say
If you take a polygraph, Never Volunteer Info. If polygraph examiner asks an open-ended question, tell him/her you don't understand; play dumb. Never volunteer info. The polygraph is supposed to record skin response/pulse rate/etc. to help them detect untruthful answers... Never volunteer info. Thirty percent of [one agency's] testees flunk... Fuck the polygraph!
>>25653689 Snowden was screened by a shitty company that used trick software to lie to the feds. The co. gave US Gov many 100,000s of bad backgrounds -- shallow, defective, incomplete, rushed backgrd investigations. I know what I'm talking about.
>>25656845 That's what I mean, civilian contractors are screened by other civilians. Even when you admit to shit, they just ignore it as long as you can pass a piss test promise to not smoke more weed later on. Military screenings will boot you if you admit to shit they can't otherwise prove.
>>25656889 yeah I know. It just seems silly though that they'd automatically preemptively fire 1/3 of their applicants just because they messed up on a polygraph. Like, I would think that the high stakes would make the failure rate even higher. idk. Just seems silly to me.
>I have never smoked marijuana Well we spoke to your old roommate, and he says you smoked it at least three times. >he is wrong. I have never smoked marijuana Alright well we talked to your old coworkers, and one says he sold you a small amount of marijuana. >that is wrong. I have never purchased or smoked marijuana Well we talked to your neighbors, and they said they regularly have smelled marijuana coming from your residence. >they must be smelling other people. I have never smoked marijuana
>>25653212 so smoking weed when they were 22 is bad but having a condo in Thailand and going full on asian street meat is cool? >implying that drugs weren't involved in his sexual escapades all of those guys on the list were expendable trash >MFW people think feds are very profesional
>>25656965 Where are you getting this info from? An article I just posted says otherwise. >>25656806 As long as you pass a drug test and it wasn't habitual it shouldn't be a problem. This articles only a year old
>>25657107 Most people already have a strike or two against them. A youth assault offense, minor medical issues, weight trouble, something. Adding marijuana use to the list can be enough for them to deny you for character problems. True, it's not a stone wall to enlistment, but it's still a strike against you. If you can avoid it and if you can just tell the friends you were with that mums' the word, it's better for you.
Anything that hasn't gone on record at a courthouse is outside of their concern.
For example: They asked about my late payments on rent, all convictions (even traffic), and all employment reprimands. However, I am a drug addict who stopped using drugs 1.5yrs previous to the interview and it just never came up. So with that being said, you can draw your own conclusion about internet use. They'll have no idea because you will not tell them. But this is important: DO NOT LIE ON THE FUCKHUGE APPLICATION. DO NOT LIE ABOUT ANYTHING. THEY DO INVESTIGATE ALL FACTS THEN INTERVIEW YOU TO CONFIRM FACTS. They will not ask you about internet use. As long as you're not a foreign spy you'll be okay. :)
>>25657221 You have to weigh it for yourself. Are you more likely to get a waiver or convince the military that you don't smoke weed. Personally, I've only smoked with a couple of people in my life, and they're people I can trust to not crack. I'm also already pushing my recruiter to his limits to get me past holdups. Marijuana would be the straw that broke the camel's back at this point.
It's never good to recommend that people lie, especially when the stakes can be their career. But for some, it's the best option.
>>25657297 They asked about treatment for drug use
I didn't lie about anything and the way the drug questions are worded, depending on how I look at it, I actually didn't even have to stretch the truth. You'll see what I mean when you log into the site and get to that part of the application.
In the interview, they reconfirmed each application question. So it all carried over. By the way, I was in treatment for alcoholism and I put that on the application. Since they could confirm the info, it was fine with them. A friend of mine lied about the same situation and nearly got rejected.
>>25655039 >Applicant has two debts � a charged-off home equity line of credit account for $108,744 and a cable company collection account for $216. These debts have been ongoing for several years, and Applicant was unable to provide documentation that these debts were being addressed or resolved. Clearance is denied. CASE NO: 14-00631.h1
Clearances mostly are to with your history, if you can't account for pretty much every day since you left school, you won't get it. They talk to your friends and family, and even may follow you for a day for the higher level ones.
They just want to make sure you're not a spy basically.
>>25657928 >a charged-off home equity line of credit account for $108,744 and a cable company collection account for $216 >home equity line of credit >$108,744 Do you know what that is? He bought a house and couldn't pay for it. He didn't forget to pay his cable bill for a place he no longer lived at. One debt is for a couple hundo, one debt is for over 100k. Are you so fucking retarded that you can't recognize the difference? Or is your foreign money worth so little that you don't realize $100k US is kind of a big deal?
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