Malaysian Air MH17 confirmed to be shot down with Russian made missle.
This is what happens when you arm the rebel backwoods Russian separatists.
>In the report, the Dutch Safety Board says the weapon used was a 9N314M-model warhead carried on the 9M38M1 missile, as installed on the Buk surface-to-air missile system.
>It adds that the type of fragments found in the wreckage and bodies of crew members in the cockpit were bow-tie or cube shaped - only found in the 9N314M warhead.
OP do you have that pic in anything larger than a thumbnail?
It was flying its normal route, stupid as that might be considering the separatists had been shooting down Ukrainian aircraft before then (they even bragged on social media about shooting MH17 down until they realized it was an airliner).
B...But the rebels were the good guys right?
they fight the ukrop nazis!
Man, the russians have to be seriously deluded and/or retarded if they seriously believe that anyone in the west (save for autistic edgy neo-marxist schoolkids) is buying their desperate little hoax narrative.
>Despite a 15-month-long Dutch-led probe not definitively concluding who fired the BUK surface-to-air missile or the precise location from which it originated, the US continues to pursue its “belief” that it was east Ukrainian rebels who downed flight MH17.
Yup, they discovered a whole new plane (Su-25 that is able to go supersonic at 45000ft), a new AA missile (R-60 which is all aspect and have a BVR capabilities) and a whole new laws of physics (explosion in the front of a plane will first destroy its rudder).
So, bussiness as usuall for the good 'ol russian propaganda.
The Ukranians do not use this particular type of missile. It proves the Ukranians did not shoot it down, leaving only 2 other parties: the Russian seperatists and/or the Russians.
Ukraine didn't close airspace to not piss off airlines, only warned them to not fly over fighting zone. Airlines were like "sure mang, whatever", and continued business as usual.
IMO the most likely scenario is that "rebel" BUK was informed by Russian radars about Ukrainian An-26 in their sector, so once they caught big fat plane on their radar, they didn't waste time to confirm target, as they were positive it's transport they were told about
cue RIDF and amerifats arguing over whether this is conspiracy
cue the retard who thinks this will start WW3
cue me about to fail a calc test but this memeboard is more important
>In region of Torez, we just shot down An-26 plane, somewhere near mine "Progress"
>We warned - don't fly on OUR SKY
>Here's video "ochiednovo"(???) falling bird
>Bird fell behind "terrikon", didn't touch settlements. Innocent people weren't hurt.
>Also there's information about other plane shotdown, supposely Suchoi
my Russian is pretty rusty
And many others changed their flight paths in response to warnings and the situation of a fucking WAR in that territory
Lets be honest, Multi-nationals are not gonna take the iniative in taking a financial loss unless it's forced upon them
>implying russia will admit to anything no matter how unequivocal the proofs are
Was not. The BUK manufacturer pointed out that newer warheads in use by Russian military use double T shrapnel configuration, which leaves butterfly-like holes. Ukraine still uses the older warheads, which leave "machinegun-like" holes.
What are you talking about? Everyone was raging about cannon holes.
> The experiments were carried out on July 31 and October 7 with the help of 9N314M BUK missile warheads, which are currently deployed by the Russian military. The results of the tests “decisively indicate” that an explosion from such a missile leaves a distinctive “butterfly-shaped” puncture holes due to the shape of the shrapnel, Almaz-Antey, the manufacturer of Buk air defense missile complexes, said.
> “The Boeing 777, which carried out the flight, did not have a single hole like this and as a consequence, this absolutely excludes the possibility of a missile with double T-shaped shrapnel being used to strike this aircraft,” Almaz-Antey stressed in a statement on Wednesday, following the final report of the Dutch Safety Board that looked into the causes of the crash.
> in b4 "RT"
It's the official word from the BUK manufacturer. They know their stuff.
>a distinctive “butterfly-shaped” puncture holes
Ok, you are talking about the holes itself.
Yes, if you watch the video they did find bowtie (or butterfly, same idea) shaped shrapnel inside of the plane and bodies of the pilots/crew.
>It's the official word from the BUK manufacturer. They know their stuff.
Yes, and have absolutely no interest in taking the blame off of their main costumer. Because weapons manufacturers don't care about income at all
No, they proofed, that it was not M1 missile, there was no butterfly holes on plane. That's a question to criminal court - how did that pieces manage to get into evidences. Commission did not show that shrapnel to Almaz-Antey earlier, they showed only photos.
>there was no butterfly holes on plane
There was, however much like the BUK test, not every hole was butterfly (or rather, not round, irregularly shaped) holes.
Pic related. I put arrows next to the extremely obvious one. The others are less so, but still not "bullet holes", and matches the holes left by the test.
> those comments
> shown actual proof and evidence that matches exactly to the situation
XAXAXAXAXAXAAAXAXA CANNOT OF BELIEVING WESTERN PIC LIES. LIES, ALL LIES NEVER HAPPEN!!!X
Here we see another hole that matches the buk test, far left. Vertical bowtie/butterfly.
While silly to still say. It is still acceptable. It was The Ukraine when it was part of the USSR and the soviets wanted it looked at as a geographical area.
I.E. The Midwest. The East Coast.
*Currently in the hands of both the Russian and Ukrainian militaries
There are some, but I doubt there would be. You are talking about fragments travelling at 2x the speed of sound or faster when they hit the plane. The holes in the planes they would create would be much large than their actual shape.
This is why the russian experiment is fucking stupid and done for idiots that have no idea how physics works. Popping a warhead on the ground while static is stupid. The warhead hit the 777 while going mach 2 at 33k feet. The damage would be radically different. They didn't even pressurize the plane. Are Russians really this stupid?
both sides calculated the NATO would intervene
MH17 is like a stupid james bond movie..
RUSSIA/UKRAINE = same shitheads.
Russia and Ukraine both have this type. Russia says they don't use that type of missile any more because they have new ones but they use old equipment all the time and have almost unlimited stocks of them just laying around.
What is important is warhead of the missile and the fragmentation resulting from it, we know that these fragments retrieved from the bodies of the flight crew (>>27562977 and pic related) match the fragmentation of a 9N314M warhead as concluded from the Dutch report and the Russians themselves >>27565599 (squares and 'butterflys').
What I would really like to see is the result of earlier 9N314 warhead fragmentation.
Here's an image of a 9N314 revealing the fragmentation pieces. The image isn't great but it appears that the earlier 9N314 fragmentation is composed of only square and/or rectangular metal.
The BUK manufacturer is 100% owned by the Russian government. Would you believe a corporation who "did a test" to prove they weren't responsible for some horrific tragedy, and simply take their word for it? I sure as shit wouldn't. That's not how this shit works.
Anyway, this is the same crap Russia/USSR was saying after they blew Korean Air Flight 007 out of the sky.
Usually they just solve this problem by just flying higher, which basically protects them from being hit by accident... Only if someone very retarded, not following the rules of war shoots down a plane like this... Anyway... no one even knew that the separatists have BUK fucking systems... absurd.
FUCK. YOU. BUK.
Like to see you try that horseshit against an air force with actual SEAD and decent training and doctrine. You are as a young boy boasting of swatting wasps while the hawk shits in your hair.
Hate to sound tinfoil but the mnost telling part of this is teh USAF not showing satellite data or imagery of this "rebel" BUK system. Ukraine and the Russian border was watched extremely closely. You'd think all the tanks our satellites saw crossing into Ukraine would also spot the BUK that launched and it's missing missle. Add into that USAF satellites that are made to detect rocket launches and artillery fire and it's clear there are proofs that the US doesn't want to disclose.
>Ukrainians have BUK's
>Dumb Malaysian airlines flies over an active warzone
>Shot down by Ukrainian system
>We're still blamed for it
My friends & I were there when it was blown out of the sky. We got reports that it was either the Ukrainian air force which was operating in the area, or, it was a BUK which was well within Ukrainian lines. It blows our minds that the western media can distort so much that comes out of Eastern Europe.
Bullshit. First of all, OPSEC has always decreed that the full capability and scope of surveillance is never revealed. They didn't release their intel on KAL007 either.
Secondly, it would not affect Russian response one degree; they would just scream louder about the nefarious EU/NATO/US conspiracy/clay grab/whatever bullshit their slinging this week.
Thirdly, simple forensic evidence from the crash is more than enough to point the way for anyone with half a brain and access to a news site that is not RT.
So there's no conclusive evidence who did it. Both sides had Buks, both were in the area firing them, and the shrapnel correlates with a missile used by both sides.
Doesn't change the fact Ukraine and Russia are to blame for ruining themselves and killing 300 good people.
Nice propaganda, kid.
>Add into that USAF satellites that are made to detect rocket launches and artillery fire
You're thinking of OPIR and it really doesn't work that way. Satellites fly past the target, they don't stay over it like a drone.
It's why the U2 is still in service.
You're full of shit. Were you also one of the dickheads boasting about downing it on social media like a fucking retard?
You miss the part where only Russia had access to the missile in question.
Well the altitude they were flying at was safe from MANPADS (which stop being useful around 15k ft), but there's no plane that can fly high enough to avoid a Buk.
Really I see this as just a huge shitty situation that's only being made worse by Russia's denial of the whole thing. Nobody seriously believes that whoever did this (Russia or the rebels) deliberately and maliciously downed the airliner. But they're doing everything in their power to spread denial and bullshit as if the whole world is out to get them, and it's only going to make things worse in the long term.
Spy satellite coverage isn't nearly as good as you'd expect. The time between overflights is pretty long and very, very predictable. Odds are that no satellites ever saw the Buk in question, or if they did they only saw it once (rather than the two times you'd need to confirm that it was involved in the incident).
>It blows our minds that the western media can distort so much that comes out of Eastern Europe.
>boasting about killing innocent people
>blasting about things I've never done
Fuck you, I've never hurt anybody that was innocent. All we ever wanted to do was separate from Ukraine, a country with a government that forced its way to power. A country that wants to cut all ties with Russia & look West. So good forbid we don't want to live with the Bandera & the plagued Euro states.
>All we ever wanted to do was separate from Ukraine, a country with a government that forced its way to power.
Gotta love how no matter what, it always comes down to the victim narrative for Slavs. They're always the victim, ever the oppressed. The hilarious thing is that they're so busy assfucking themselves, they forgot to notice that no one has oppressed them that wasn't an actual Slav government official since WWII.
Slavs will always be most efficient at making victims of Slavs, thus upping the victimhood feels. It's victonception.
Good, but I wish it came in flavors other than red.
I read the whole report. They didn't mention that anywhere.
Based upon previous threads about this, the Ukrainians have a few of those missiles as well.
Finally the Dutch board would have said "The Russian Armed Forces are the only users of this missile, though this does not necessarily mean they are the culpable."
>Malaysian Air MH17 confirmed to be shot down with Russian made missle.
Whoah so that leaves only Russian army, Ukrainian Separatists and Ukrainian Army as those that might be responsible for it.
>Thank you, Dutch safety Board.
How does Russia being the only users of the missile not translate to its origination with them? What, are you suggesting that the Ukies performed some sort of masterstroke false flag material capture operation while their entire country has fallen to pieces?
No. Occam's Razor clearly points to a Russian supplied missile fired by an Eastern Ukrainian crew. Especially considering the social media boasting they did about it right after the shot.
These people are fucking insane.
The fact that the missile came from a rebel area isn't good enough for them.
The fact that the Russians had been shooting down aircraft for months and the Ukrainians hadn't shot down any isn't good enough for them.
Now a third party investigation saying it was a Russian missile isn't good enough for them.
>Fuck you, I've never hurt anybody that was innocent
It's war, innocent people getting BTFO'd is part of the game. Anyone involved who says "we never hurt nobody innocent" is a fucking liar.
And I won't even talk about a government that beats and murders it's own people in the streets, and then expects to actually stay in power. Give me a fucking break.
yeah these videos are pretty cool, glad you like them.
>cyga blyad! pindo amerikanski propaganda trying to frame flawless motherland as capable of wrongs!
That's detailed in the report, and it sounds fucking horrible. Especially at 33,000ft. Front nose of the plane was sheered off by the blast, tornado of -40 degree air rips through the entire cabin of the plane, tearing people's clothes off.
something the size of a Buk would devastate an airliner. If it were something smaller like a MANPADS it might have been able to survive the hit, but based buk is pretty much a guaranteed shoot-down.
the camps were all built in spring-summer 2014 and vacated end of August and the beginning of Sept. 2014, the same time the Ukrainian army got slammed by armored units on that border.
But I'm sure that's just a coincidence....
Damn. I'm reading it now and looking at the pics. Brutal. Looks like the pilots were basically vaporized/ripped to shreds.
On a side note, they found one passenger with an oxygen mask on. Must have been in the back. Not to make fun of them cause I'd do the same, but "damn front of the plane just blew up and we're in a fireball spiraling to earth, better put on the mask!" Once again not making fun of them because I would do exactly the same but it's interesting.
Whoops I forgot to add this pic. Interesting that the missile exploded above...but I assume that SAMs launch their shrapnel forward...so was the missile coming down onto the plane? Or do they send their shrapnel out horizontally?
maybe some of the dates are screwed up....but there wasn't any activity there prior to about March 2014.
This one was bulldozed in a period of 14 days. There's a ton of artillery and rocket launch sites that can be seen on the Russian side of the border from that period as well. The Russians were slamming the Ukrainians hard from behind their border. Real classy stuff, Russia.
Heres the GPS coords for this gif:
48°10'4.63"N, 40° 2'10.80"E
Shock does weird things to people, both physical and mental shock. Some just freeze and go numb to external stimuli and some have to do something, anything. There's a whole spectrum of reactions, for instance, proactive and ineffective in the case of mask man. A proactive and effective man may have considered the mask and chosen not to employ it because ze goggles zey do nahthink.
Video clearly states august-september 2014 at 0:28. >>27567993
Stop being a moron.
In fact, the first construction in the video is shown Aug 2014 at 0:57 in the video.
Are you stupid or just incapable of reading? Mistaken once or twice I understand but insisting on it three fucking times without bothering to recheck yourself is fetal alcohol syndrome levels of potato.
Proactive and effective man would have deployed the oxygen mask and hoped for the best, because that was the best option. Not that he could survive a crash from cruising altitude, but a crash landing maybe.
I think it was pretty clear from the beginning that it was seps that blew it out of the sky.
It was a fucking accident, this shit happens with airliners all the fucking time, the only thing I don't understand is why they backpedal so hard away from the issue. They couldn't have known it was an airliner from looking at a tiny blip on the screen, and they purportedly shot down transports and shit at that altitude, it makes sense that they fucked up, and they should take the heat for it and have it pushed under the rug instead of drawing it out and keeping it fresh in everyone's memory.
At the point of being able to get a mask on, he would have seen that first the cockpit, then business class, then most of coach had separated from the tail section he was sitting in. Effectiveness implies forethought. Any forethought at all would reveal that there was no controlled flight possible on that aircraft, followed by a lack of need for the oxygen mask, as they would descend more than fast enough to obviate the need. The oxygen mask is for when you need to stay at and then slowly descend from 30k feet. If you're dropping like a stone, the air is just fine to keep you conscious long before you pass out (remember, they have climbed Everest without oxygen).
Yeah I know, I didn't make those for PROOFS, I was just bored at work one day. It's fucking crazy the kind of sat. imagery you can get these days.
>>It was a fucking accident, this shit happens with airliners all the fucking time
Yeah, it sure happens all the time, I mean every week you hear about people being mass murdered in the hundreds in airliners by rebel missiles.
Ukraine had a shipment of these missiles delivered in the late 90's if I am remembering old /k/ threads correctly.
Would like someone to confirm first. All I'm hearin are claims from you guys that only Russia uses that missile.
I'm saying that if this was so obvious the Dutch would point out that only Russia has this missile.
let's ingore the fact that for months there were (at times) over 100k troops deployed along the border to guard it, purely an understandable security measure when shit goes down on the other side.
you are trying to shill what is a normal, expected military activity as something unusual just because it fits your bullshit story
>'m saying that if this was so obvious the Dutch would point out that only Russia has this missile.
The point of the report was only to figure out what downed the plane. They specifically avoided anything that could be construed as assigning blame because something with the laws means that the crash investigators aren't allowed to determine who was actually at fault. Assigning the blame is up to whoever is in charge of the criminal investigation.
>I'm saying that if this was so obvious the Dutch would point out that only Russia has this missile.
They did. They pointed out that only Russia ever operated the missile. Ukraine does have missiles for their BUK launchers, clearly. They just do not have 9N314M warheads. There are many different missiles for the BUK system.
>massive buildup of Russian forces within 20km of UA border
>new FOBs and FSBs established
>new training camp established NE of Rostov-on-Don
>dozens of *active* artillery positions facing Ukraine
>all FOBs, camps, outposts, etc. vacated and bulldozed in a period of 1-2 weeks
>same exact time Ukraine got ass slammed by armored units punching in from the East
>this is totally normal, expected military activity
Uh. WTF, man? You hit your head or something?
I'm not saying its excusable, I'm saying that you shouldn't be using the argument as some sort of enormous emotional appeal that X country is bad for doing this when clearly there are many other nations that have had this kind of accident happen before, the United States and the Ukraine included. This makes it especially reprehensible because anyone who brings up any of those incidents gets canned for m-muh whataboutism every time they try it.
We get it, you don't like Russians, but stop and think for a moment. I doubt that the seps did this because they wanted to kill civilians, they're not ISIS.
If you want to use this for proofs that the Russians are arming seps to wage internet warfare against slavs on /k/ then by all means, go for it but don't give me tears about how Putin himself rode the missile to the aircraft and blew it open for the express purpose of harvesting the organs of small dutch children.
>but don't give me tears about how Putin himself rode the missile to the aircraft and blew it open for the express purpose of harvesting the organs of small dutch children.
How about tears for handing an incredibly dangerous piece of anti-air hardware to a bunch of untrained monkeys, telling them there was a bad guy up there and then helping them cover up their little oopsie? Can we fucking give you tears about that bullshit? In law we call that a fucking accomplice after the fact.
there's a lot of shit a country can get away
invading another country isn't one
You can cry about it being an accident all you like, but it's not like it didn't have a fucking radiating commercial transponder. They were either too drunk, untrained or simply gave zero fucks before they sent the ordinance down range. Any way you slice it, it's criminal negligence.
In what world do separatists that are only ostensibly not being supported by any outside factors get access to SSR? Buks are capable of acquiring and tracking from the launch vehicle, they don't need a separate radar command vehicle.
Doesn't matter who it was, seps, ukies or russians. Point stands. Right now, I see an awful lot of evidence to suggest Seps, and not a lot to suggest Ukies. What does Occam's Razor tell you?
Do you even know how Buk's pick up their targets? They didn't have any form of receiver capable of grabbing any of these signals, or they were simply not trained to understand them.
>They didn't have any form of receiver capable of grabbing any of these signals, or they were simply not trained to understand them.
Which one is it? Don't have or they weren't trained? You sound like you really know your shit.
If you're trying to tell me that a mobile SAM system with a 70kft ceiling has no transponder receiver/processor, then you're a complete fucking moron.
>Dumb Malaysian airlines flies over an active warzone
Russian airline didnt seem to mind flying there even days after MH17 was shot down.
Also spare us with a dumb comment about the site, they even gave the flight numbers so everyone with half a brain can check it for himself.
Who the fuck doesn't double check an aircraft flying at 33kft (pretty much middle of the fucking zone for commercial aircraft) before just launching a fucking SAM at it? It's not like commercial aircraft weren't overflying the area at a rate of at least a dozen per day, for fucks sake.
And what about the fact that Ukies never bought 9M38M warheads? What about the Sep social media boasting within seconds of the shot? What about the Russian claims to try and make it a fucking Su-27? None of this changes that for you?
And still russian shills spin the same story about why it would be odd for it to fly there. Since this is usally the next thing they try to disinform: MH17 changed route through a bad weather front on their first planed route. Its all in the report, there is nothing mysterious about it.