Is there any reason to get big knives like bowie knives, machetes, or kukris? What can a big knife do that a folding knife and axe can't?
>Is there any reason to get big knives like bowie knives, machetes, or kukris?
Yeah it makes women literally tear your clothes off and fuck you to death
>What can a big knife do that a folding knife and axe can't?
That shit is for faggots.
This is a weapons board not /out/ and not a utility tool board.
This thread is in violation of the rules regarding staying on topic.
In fact it has been legally clarified that knives may not be considered as weapons utilized as such making them no different from a wrench or a hammer.
Don't be surprised if some illiterate asshat tries to report and the retarded mods give you a ban.
Good bowie knife could be used as a spade, A paddle a wittling tool,split a man's hair length wise,Sharp Enough for razor work, strong enough to chop a coin in two. Lodge itself in a tree with ease. Butcher meat and break bone.
Having specialized tools for every task is ideal. For men that more often just passing through the wilderness on occasion, A single tool that could fulfill these purposes what handy
Big knives can be used basically as a more versatile hatchet. See the following video:
They are used for processing wood, mainly. Splitting and chopping, while being safer to use than an axe because there's more blade to bite into wood should you miss your intended target.
Also, another thing big knives excel at more than axes are being weapons. They have more heft than a knife but are more nimble than an axe, but still keep their chopping power, making them superb close-quarters weapons. The Bowie knife during the frontier era was designed as a close-quarters weapon first and foremost, with utility a second function in mind. It excels as a replacement to the sabre or sword, as it is able to cleave limbs and disembowel men just as easily as a sword in a fraction of the length. I would feel safer carrying a large knife in the woods than an axe.
A machete is different, I'd consider it different from the knife altogether. It's more of a brush-clearing instrument that can be used for chopping light, inch-thick pieces of wood, but not much else. A long machete is superb at clearing brush, but can definitely be used as a weapon in a pinch, with its lightness and reach being an advantage.
Honestly, I've gone on a lot of outdoors trips with my wood processing tools being pretty much exclusively an Estwing hatchet and SAK. Its a timeless combo that works extremely well for woodworking and whatnot, you shouldn't need much else. But a big knife can replace a hatchet if you understand its limitations, and provides you with a better close-quarters weapon.
>hatchet and SAK
My preferred combo as well, unless I'm going somewhere where wood processing is emergency only (above tree-line national park areas), in which case the hatchet is substituted for a lighter but less effective trowel/saw/stake.
Nowadays, other than >>27767440, large knives aren't really an optimal choice unless it's literally the only thing you can bring, or if it's carried in lieu of other more complex or heavier options as an emergency tool. Even if you specifically need a weapon, you would probably still be served better with a hatchet and a firearm.
Ultimately it depends on the task you intend to use the knife for.
For " bowie" style clip point (OP pick) is a general purpose outdoor knife, with a fine tip that is not particularly strong and a great overall cutting edge length.
Good for most outdoor tasks short of "batoning" wood (depending on its thickness and grind), or prying.
Making it great for casual camping trips, for fairly useless to survivalist types.
Machetes are fairly light and thin, can be used for cutting grass,vines and small branches and for fairly basic cutting tasks.
A kukri is also good for all the above, although its design and weight distribution means it can also be used as a makeshift axe, so it is isn't limited to small branches, but likewise it is heavier, so not ideal for cutting vines in your path for hours on a deep jungle trip.
Folding knives are flimsy and really not ideal for even moderate intensity outdoors tasks, with tasks such as cutting cardboard and food preparation being their main purpose, also useful as lightweight utility tool for fishing or as a stopgap for hunting small game if you make sure to clean it.
Due to their significantly smaller and thinner blades they are prone to dulling quickly or not being able to generate enough leverage in any woodcutting tasks, with steel framelock knives being the only kind you should dare to even attempt this with, a backlock or liner lock would be more prone to weakness depending on design.
An axe is an awesome tool with its place firmly secure as an outdoor tool, depending on the size of the axe, usually determined by your method of transport, "Gransfors Bruk" of Sweden typically acknowledged as the highest quality axes/hatchets you can get (for a price), not that there is anything wrong with the $10 hardware store ones if you make sure to sharpen it before your trip outdoors.
Because of the convex edges of an axes grind, its edge can take a LOT more abuse than anything else in regards to chopping,
Big knives are better than axes for many people in woods areas that are travelling for fun.
They're lighter and are like thicker machetes.
In the end it comes down to personal preference, but in situations like in those tv shows when you're naked, a big ass knife is the way to go.
Other than that, just for fun.
I personally dont need almost anything while outdoors, given how in my country it is extremely ilegal to make fires, but I carry the knives I want for fun and because I love them.
In the end it all comes down to that.
Custom or handmande.
Cold Steel has the Natchez and Laredo, which are damn fine (but dont use it like a youtube retard), then the Trailmaster.
Mtech has a solid cheap ass clone of the trailmaster.
Svord has the Von Tempsly bowie
Randall has some expensive as fuck bowies
Forgot to mention Fallkniven and Bark River.
But honestly, if you're gonna blow that much money I strongly suggest you lurk more and find a custom maker that can make you a bowie of your own
>In fact it has been legally clarified that knives may not be considered as weapons
>720 ILCS 5/24-1 (2013) Unlawful Use of Weapons
>(a) A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons when he knowingly:
>(1) Sells, manufactures, purchases, possesses or carries any […] switchblade knife
>(2) Carries or possesses with intent to use the same unlawfully against another, a dagger, dirk, billy, dangerous knife, razor, stiletto, broken bottle or other piece of glass, stun gun or taser or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument of like character
>Recommending Mtech when Ontario's SP line exists
I'll grant that they're generally one of the least crappy manufacturers of Chinkshit, but why go with a $22 trailmaster copy when you could get a $35 Kabar copy from one of the wartime manufacturers? Mtech might be hard to beat for the money, but they're not hard to beat for only a little more.
Hey guys, what's going in this big knife thread?
I'm going to start off by mentioning PRACTICAL SHORT SWORDS.
>PRACTICAL SHORT SWORDS.
KERSHAW CAMP-18 UP IN THIS MOTHERFUCKER
Seriously though, it's a fucking beast for the price.
GUESS I'LL GET IN ON THIS
THIS IS ALL I HAVE ON THIS PC
EXCEPT FOR THIS, WHICH I MAY AS WELL POST
>§ 46.02. Unlawful Carrying Weapons
>(a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on
or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:
>(1) on the person’s own premises or premises under the person’s control; or
>(2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person’s control….
>Definition of Blade
>In Rainer v. State, Mr. Rainer was charged with unlawfully carrying a weapon for having a large hunting knife concealed on his person when he was arrested at a lounge for failing to appear in Court the Texas Appellate Court held that blade was defined in the dictionary as the cutting part of a knife, not the sharpened part. Therefore, the blade of a knife was the part of the knife from the handle to tip, and not just the sharpened portion.
Von Tempky Bowie by Svörd.
Their steel treatment is excellent and i like the look.
The grip seems a bit too straight, though.
>In fact it has been legally clarified that knives may not be considered as weapons utilized as such making them no different from a wrench or a hammer.
ask the britkeks about that one ol chap
I really dislike their lack of precission and conformity to a stanard.
Most of those bowies look different, none are the same, and some come with a pretty shit point.
A little bit like Randall knives. Great quality but I just can't risk it.
Might as well put my SHTF 2 day bag, includes a picture of my throw away knife.
This is entire kit, next pic is of cleaver and THE BONE SAW.
p.s. i live in a kek state, so i can't OC until it's a couple days after shtf, and my first day would be spent traveling to my stash of non existent things.
I agree on the lack of precision, my peasant folder has a razor sharp but lopsided edge, but what do you mean by not conforming to a standard?
Don't they use a template or something?
I have my entire legal kit cataloged, any of you want to help me sort some shit out?
It's total about 30 pounds, only 2 days of food for one person, i have enough to survive for a month or two on ration at my stash.
Green handle is an old cleaver i found in the woods when visiting a southern state relative, i ground down the spine because it was uneven and protruded sharply. I'm certain it was hand forged. I bought the black knife on amazon when i was 15 or 16, along with a shoulder holstered, trench knife, which isn't in the pic
hell yeah, got one about two weeks ago. the sheath is nice too
forgot to paste, kek.
400 dry strike matches
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Slingshot, aprox. 40 marbles/steel
18” Tacticool knife
8” CC Trench knife
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80 liters of tarp bag
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fish hooks and needles for suturing
I carry a sturdy & sharp folding knife when I'm at the bar with the pistol hidden in the car's lock-box that is screwed into the bottom of my drivers seat (since in my state you can't have a gun on person in a public place after any liquor has touched your lips). Have never even been tempted to grab a hold of it in preparation but it has come in handy for practical applications like helping the bartender open something up. If I was a hunter or did more outdoor activities though I would get myself a real knife like the ones that have been posted but I don't need one for my suburban / urban existence.
Those four on the right make my hard as rock.
The holy grail of large knives.
Just buy a Timber Rattler. It's $25. 4.5 Star out of 5. It has a FULL TANG as thick as the handle.
Just make sure yours has no cracks in the blade and you're good.
You do NOT want to throw around some hand forged bowie that cost more than a hundred bucks.
My bad, it's actually called the "Outlaw" made by Timber Rattler.
For $25 you literally can't go wrong. I used to have a $25 knife with a 12 inch blade and it wasn't half as nice as this.
The tang is thick as fuck, too.
This is probably the ONLY bowie knife you'd want to take with you in the woods to chop wood, throw into trees etc... I'm not sure how bad that is for trees or if God avenges trees.. maybe the hippies will get access to a time machine one day? I'm pretty sure time travel is a thing because after I started fantasizing about going back in time to fuck all my exes and party crazy stupid, I started catching flak in strange ways.
If I ever get access to a time machine, shape shifting powers, and IRL cheat codes... I'm REALLY SORRY EVERYONE but I'm going to act a fool!!! Fuck the time travel police, karma police, and fuck the rest of you, too. It's my brain and I can fantasize about whatever I want!!! If you have a problem, you should talk to me about it yourself and let me consider what you have to say!! None of you future assholes have brought back a pill that will cure my eyesight or reduce my sexual desires to time travel so fuck off with your "treat the symptom but not the disease" bullshit philosophy and fuck whatever reasons you're doing this! Yes if I'm technically a hundred years old with a 13 year old girlfriend from my past I guess it sounds fucked up but if I've shape shifted to be physically the same as any 13 year old who the fuck cares? Get out of my brain!! You guys are making everyone think I'm schizto!
>honestly believing it's not worth it
It's a good deal for a good knife. A $25 bowie knife with full tang? Did you see picture I just posted?
It's got like a 14 inch blade!!
Post an American made bowie that's $25 or cheaper and better than that knife.
See this pic? I used to have that knife. It was made in the USA iirc.
It costs $25 bucks.
The Outlaws design is better than the Pig Sticker in every way. The sheath is leather, too! Not nylon and plastic.
>Who cares if it's Paki shitsteel? It's big and shiny!
>See this pic? I used to have that knife. It was made in the USA iirc.
>It costs $25 bucks.
That knife is made in China and is $10 on BudK.
>Post an American made bowie that's $25 or cheaper and better than that knife.
Ontario machete with a bit of file work. Even Cold Steel's bowie machete is a better option than Pakistani stainless steel.
You did not recommend or post a $25 American made bowie knife.
You posted a 30$ Cold Steel "machete" that's got a much thinner blade, shorter blade, no handguard or pommel.
The Paki shit steel option is better.
Why don't you email Pakistan and tell them their steel is shit if you hate it so much?
Oh, thanks for telling me it was made in China.
Isn't everything that says "made in the USA" actually made in China?
I'm pretty sure that if it says "made in USA" it's a guarantee that China made it.
I fucking hate this place. "Lies, lies, and more lies! Lies 50% off zero down payment and no payment for 6 months! Come on in folks, and get your lies today!!"
>You did not recommend or post a $25 American made bowie knife.
Neither did you, which makes that seem rather arbitrary. However, I did post a $25 American-made knife that people often turn into a bowie.
>You posted a 30$ Cold Steel "machete"
No, I didn't. The knife in that pic is an Ontario.
>The Paki shit steel option is better.
1095 and 1055 will outperform stainless steel in a large chopper. I have no reason to contact Pakistan because I don't buy their shitty knives.
At least 2 of the people who reviewed the knife said it was made in China and I have zero reason to assume they're lying.
If you'd like, feel free to bring out your knife and snap a pic of where it says "made in USA."
The alloy used in the Timber Rattler Outlaw has nickel in it.. it's an alloy, not a pure steel. It has nickel and chrome and whatever to give it rust resistance.
It's Pakistani steel but it's not exactly shit steel.
Yes I suck at communication and words.
>The alloy used in the Timber Rattler Outlaw has nickel in it.. it's an alloy, not a pure steel.
"Pure steel" is an alloy. Steel in its simplest form is iron+carbon. I can't help but think that you're just Googling stuff on the fly.
>It has nickel and chrome and whatever to give it rust resistance.
No shit, it's STAINLESS STEEL. That's why I've used the words STAINLESS STEEL to refer to the blade. That's why the blade says STAINLESS STEEL on it.
>It's Pakistani steel but it's not exactly shit steel.
At this point I'm inclined to ask you to elaborate.
>I'm certain it was hand forged
And knives least of all. How can you expect people who neither use their knives seriously, nor sharpen them to know ANYTHING about the subject? Their knowledge extends to which knives are prettier and fulfil their operator fantasies better.
I'd say just short of decent, I just carry the weight instead of dealing with batoning, which is fine for some people but I can't be bothered to find a chunk of wood to beat against a knife at the end of a long hike.
This is from someone who stubbornly stuck with it for a year because there has to be SOMETHING that would make it worth the trouble and frankly, I couldn't find it.
Hey, machete guys, what's wrong with this baby? It's 20 bucks, made in 'Murica, and appears to do big sharp piece of metal stuff properly. Why should I throw any more money at a machete?
Yes, and they're standard Chinese 440. IIRC they don't even specify which 440, which makes me think a.
You can put an edge on them and use them in ways that don't stress the knife, but that isn't saying much. Buying a big knife in 440 and using it for big knife tasks will likely net you a broken knife. It's not like it really matters if the knife is just for stabbing people, opening boxes, or general fucking around, but putting stainless steel to wood is generally a bad idea.
Even if the knife is just for dickery and showing off on the internet I don't see why you wouldn't spend another $10 and buy the better product.
Thanks for this, large knives can be useful and versatile but I do agree that you're better off overall with a hatchet/pack-ax and smaller fixed blade combo.
People like big knives because there is an element of making yourself feel as though you are outfitted as an adventurer. Fun, as you put it. There is nothing wrong with that, people might give you a side-long glance because of the big knife you are toting. If you're being friendly though and not giving them a reason too, It's their fault and they are no better then people who act the same way towards people who open-carry guns.
People get defensive about having fun with carrying and using big knives because the element of fun and adventure has a dark-side. A big knife is like a sword for some and they fantasize about slaying dragons. Nothing wrong with having thoughts like that and I think everyone does on some level. Especially if you keep self-awareness and perspective but It's easily stigmatized, probably because people don't want to admit that they have the same kind of thoughts so they ridicule people who are open about it in some way.