So, I didn't see a /MEG/.
I'm not enlisted nor have I ever been - however, I just sent an email to my local National Guard recruiter (as I have a full-time civilian job that I like).
Can anybody tell me if the National Guard is worth it? I live in NJ and have a college degree and did JROTC in high school.
How much would they pay me, can I keep my day job, etc...?
I'm in the PA guard and going to school full time.
Go in as an officer, it's much better.
To answer your questions:
Yes, it's worth it.
Pay is dependent on rank: if you enlist you'd be an E-4; if you commission, an O-1 - google "military drill pay" and that'll show you what you'll make.
Yes, you can keep you're civi job.
In the National Guard you only get paid for the weekends that you go into for drill (work for them)
How much you get paid depends on the number of days and your rank. Since you have your degree you would come in as an E4
Okay, so an E4 is $269.28.
Is that per weekend or month? Can I work multiple weekends in a month?
I would totally ask the recruiter these questions, but they haven't responded yet.
Also, it's not all about the money, I have always been interested in service.. but being able to have my regular job + earn a little extra cash doing something interesting is what I like about it.. will I get to play with cool funs?
It's both. Thats your pay for a MUTA4 which is a typical 16 hour weekend.
Some weekends will be MUTA6 (fri, fat, sun)
Typically no, you won't be able to work more than one weekend a month. It's not like a normal job, your entire unit needs to be present to work.
You'll play with lots of cool funs in basic if you're combat arms. I'm a 19D and we shot: M4 M240b, M249, .50cal mounted, MK19 mounted, along with the stryker and bradley main guns. ONly got to simulate TOWs though :(
Does anyone have any advice for a 25N who ships out for basic training tomorrow? I'm physically prepared, but like the first day of school, I feel anxious.
And does anyone have any experience relating to life as a 25 series? It would definitely be appreciated.
Basic is fucking easy. You're literally a non functioning retard if you can't sleep your way through it. Also punch your drill sergeant directly in the rank to assert your dominance.
>happy with civilian career
>just wants to play weekend warrior
If he said he wanted to have a shittier time with a higher chance of hurr durrployment I'd suggest Nat Guard but I think his needs of pseudo-masculinity would be more readily fulfilled as a reservist
This is not true.
The Army Reserve gets the absolute bottom of the barrel officers. Generally speaking, the quality of the leadership amongst Nasty Girls seems somewhat better than in the Reserve. Things will vary state to state.
>Yeah whatever, guy. I'm talking about what I've seen and heard from bros in the great state of Texas
I agree there; the Texas NG is well known as the most fucked up state. Their leadership deployed as an attachment to my unit and were comically terrible at nearly everything.
That said, the way that officers are accessed today ensures that the Reserves will get the very worst. In general, the NG has better leadership.
Wait you think I'm trolling?
I'm a 35M. My basic was literally just us chilling around with our drill sergeant. I didn't even get woken up once, and I rolled up to the DFAC singing taylor swift for cadence.
Nigga shits changed.
Bring phone and charger, bring 3gallon zip lock slide lock bags to vacuum pack uniforms for your ruck, bring wallet checkbook and debit card, write on a piece of paper your social security number and checking account number if you havnt memorized either, first 2 weeks dont volunteer for shit, if u suck at certain things just make sure you arent last place person, eat straight up healthy from reception to at least week 3 and if u see someone grab for a donut or sugary snack then smack that shit out of their hands, and lastly if you are issued 2 quart canteens that hang like a satchel use them as a chest rest when doing push ups so that it is impossible for you to collapse on the ground.
Hopefully u havnt shaved ur head before leaving because they r still gonna run a painful buzzer of your bald head and charge you 10$ for it, yes i am serious.
Some good pranks to pull on people. Tell them to smack the drill sgt on their rank and say "your MY drill sgt" because it will earn their respect.
If you see a LT or CPT tell them "sir/mam, your rank is upside down."
Have fun, you picked a shit time of year to ship out, its gonna be cold as fuck and cold weather gear is absolute shit.
Thank you, that seems like decently solid advice.
The food is obvious; treat your body well so you don't feel like garbage.
My hair is grown out, I anticipated a free haircut, figured I would just save my money since I'm going to lose all my hair anyway.
I'll pass on the pranks.
And is winter really that bad? I was looking at it from a positive perspective.
At least I won't be sweating my nuts off in some shitty eastern swamp state.
I'll just freeze my nuts off.
Standard issue cold weather gear is complete shit. Hot>cold because then u get to go heat cat 4 and have pants and top unbloused.
Fyi there are no free haircuts in the army lol, they give u a pay advance in bct which u use to pay for at least 6 haircuts that cost 10$ each including the first one.
They give you a ship date, and you can ask for one at a later date. For example I enlisted on apr 1, they wanted me to ship out on may 12, and I had them push it back to august 2. I gave them an excuse that I wanted to finish this college semester, but in reality I took a roadtrip with my buddy to 48 states.
To officers in here (reserve/NG and active): how do you like it? I'm thinking about joining ROTC when I transfer to a 4-year university.
I'm in the reserves and deployed last year. I'm not sure if I want to sell more of my soul to the army. But I'm looking really hard at it.
I've heard shit like this sometimes, like people keeping their phones with them, but that seems fucking crazy that it would change so drastically and suddenly. I only went in June 2012.
I agree that basic sure as fuck isn't hard, but it sucks.
>thinking basic in any way works like that
You get the location you get. The same MOS could go to four different basic training locations prior to AIT. That includes both "combat" and "non-combat" MOS.
Would it make sense for me, a 27 year old male with a BA, to enlist in the Air Force or ANG? I'm in a shitty dead-end 9-to-5 desk drone job looking for new opportunities. I'm married and own a house. Thoughts?
They make you bend over and spread your cheeks. The doctor I had put me in that position for about a quarter of a second and told me to stand up.
I have pretty large skin tags that resemble hemorrhoids and he didn't say a thing about them.
This, ladies and gents, is what someone who has absolutely no idea what they're talking about looks like. Everyone point and laugh.
Inb4 "I was just pretending to be retarded"
Unless you have some HUGE student loan debt, avoid enlisted and go officer, you and your wife will appreciate the salary.
I only recommend people to go national guard if they
1)have a career that is too good to give up
2)cannot convince spouse to leave home
3)have a particular military goal, for example, 19th/20th group, or want to pick their language for language school
FYI if you go national guard you still have to get a regular civilian job to pay the bills because you only get paid by the military for days you are working which is 2-3 days a month totalling about 300$.
If you were to go active duty officer/enlisted, I wouldnt sell your house, I would just rent it out.
My wife and I owned 3 properties during my 8 years in the army. One was my family home back in CA where we currently live, one was located outside presidio of monterey(language school), and the third one was located outside fort lewis in WA. We rented the 2 properties out when I changed duty stations. Last year when I got out we sold both properties.
Joining the Air Force. I will get a 6000 dollar bonus if I sign for 6 years instead of 4. I'm pretty sure I'm going to like my job. Should I do it? How much are bonuses taxed? What do I miss out on with a 6-year contract as opposed to 4? Obviously I can get out sooner, but what downsides are there besides that?
6000$ is FUCKING NOTHING.
I got paid 24K for 5 years. You get a portion of bonus every anniversary year you are in, and it is taxed every time you get paid.
Do the 4 years, dont get tricked into pulling 6 for fucking chump change anon.
That way, when you hit your 3-4 years, you can re enlist if you still want to stay in, and get a fat check for re enlisting (at least more than 8k) and the opportunity to switch careers if it turns out their is a better air force job.
Basic is changed now. They break you down by MOS a lot of times, for things such as OSUT.
But they also pull all potential SOF candidates out and group them together. At least Army, Navy and Air Force do. Marines probably don't because they have no entry level SOF.
SEAL Candidates and Rescue Swimmers will be lumped together at Navy Basic and will have to meet their entry-level requirements consistently throughout their stay.
Air Force SOF candidates have a similar experience
Army sends Opt.40s to OSUT like anyone else, but I -believe- they are grouped together and trained harder/held to a higher physical standard. 18xs are grouped together and held to their physical standards.
>Basic is changed now. They break you down by MOS a lot of times, for things such as OSUT.
Fucks sake man, read the thread. Only certain MOS have OSUT. The rest all get thrown into basic at random, at whatever location is available for their ship date. You could do basic at Jackson and AIT at Sill. Or you could do basic at Sill and AIT at Jackson. There's no method to the madness other than an open seat in an upcoming basic training company.
For OSUT only, you are pretty much guaranteed a particular basic training location. It is possible but unlikely to complete the AIT portion of an OSUT separately. (Mostly it's people switching MOS who do this; obviously if you're going from 11B to 11C you aren't going to repeat all of basic training to do so.)
I understand that, all combat jobs go to OSUT. However at OSUT, they separate you further in many cases. Option 40s and 18xs are the best example that come to mind.
I'm not sure that they'd separate non-11x Opt.40s from their class at basic because it would be a very, very small number and wouldn't make much sense.
Thanks for the input.
Does anyone have any idea how much it'll be taxed? Google tells me very little. I'd guess I'd see 4000-4500$ of that money in the end?
I'm almost sure I won't have an opportunity for a better career - I've already been guaranteed one of the jobs I want, and I qualify for every job I could possibly want.
I'm also already entering as an E2, if that makes a difference.
I'm now leaning away from doing it though. Anyone have any idea what re-enlistment bonuses are like for 1N and 3D series jobs?
>I'm now leaning away from doing it though. Anyone have any idea what re-enlistment bonuses are like for 1N and 3D series jobs?
>if someone gives you advice you must take it no matter what and must not ask questions to clarify or find more information
It's pretty clear that I'm listening to what they have to say. The point of asking open-ended questions to large groups of people is to get many answers from different sources to make your decision.
AFAIK it's on a company to company basis. I graduated 11B OSUT in June, Opt. 40, and we and the 18Xs were not separated. The NGs were all in the same platoon but other than that there was no criteria for separating anyone. t b h we weren't really held to a higher standard either.
I was an officer. I dont know about the navy, but I can count the number of times ive had to work more than 20 hours straight without relief on both hands. And those were due to dickwads not checking their schedules or shutting off their phones on purpose.
It can get pretty stressful depending on what youre doing, in my case more stress was caused from worrying about my personnel than anything else. I had to make sure my NCOs were doing the right thing and not half assing or delegating their personal responsibilities to our junior guys. I had an incident with a senior nco early in my career that forced me to take a more personal approach when delegating duties to my personnel. Ive also had problems with other officers involving negligence and lack of loyalty that eventually pushed me to resign my commission.
I actually have been wondering this myself. I have close to $40K in debt from student loans and have been on the fence about trying for officer for the extra money or going enlisted for lower payments on an IBR Plan, maybe even getting into PAYE. Officer seems like the smarter choice from purely a loan perspective, but what skills did you have when you got out that helped you find employment from it?
My original post
"This might be hearsay but does the US Armed Forces Forces offer enlistment to immigration hopefuls
I'd heard if you serve 5 years you could go through naturalisation.
Is any part of it true?"
Apparently according to one anon
Some have done it one being an Iraqi (interpreter?) and an Argantinian
I'm eager to immigrate, I figured voluntarily enlistment might help in my stead.
I'm 24, athletic holding a bachelor degree. I have been trying to get some research and aiming to be getting the ball rolling so i can have some kind of response within 6 months.
Is it a realistic option?
Think of a company size element as the equivalent of a business company.
Commander = CEO
Executive officer = vice president
First sgt = general manager
Platoon sgt = supervisor
Squad leaders = team leaders
So i can say i have experience as a CEO for a company of ~200 employees.
the only reason to go enlisted with a degree is if you have a particular job you want to do, or you have massive student loans, or lastly you didint do rotc and dont have the gpa/scores to get ocs.
It can be.
But active is better for college benefits.
I had 2 and 1/2 years active duty guard (ADOS, AGR,etc) and a single 12 month deployment on a total on a 6 year enlistment.
Only got like 60% post 911 gi bill, meanwhile an active duty never deployed with just iver 2 years will get 100%.
It can be hard to get schools.
And getting rank is fucking slow as shit, even if you are active guard
>retired Texas Army National Guard
I miss out on some promotion opportunities because of deployments. Other than that, it was a positive experience..
I am interested in going in as an officer for Army National Guard (Illinois) or the Army Reserves.
How competitive is OCS? That is, if I have my 4 year degree with a ~3.5 GPA from a legitimate university and can meet the physical standards would I pretty much be good to go?
Can anyone who has gone reservist/NG officer chime in?
A 3.5 GPA is competitive for active duty. You should have no trouble getting into guard/reserve as long as you aren't a broke dick, criminal, or retarded.
With that being said, I am not a recruiter, so don't take my word as gospel.
Nope. Its reallly just a waste of time.And don't think you will get any worthwhile college benefits upon joining either. There is a Guard/Reserves tuition payment thing, but its just a shitty version of the superior Post 9/11 GI Bill. Get a decent civilian job, and stay in school and join as an officer when you graduate if you still want to go.
If you don't have the mental fortitude and forethought to do the most basic research on that topic on your own, you don't have what it takes to be SF regardless of your physical fitness level.
From the research I have done, the Guard/Reserves doesn't give a lot in tuition assistance, I get more in fucking federal financial aid. On top of that, at least in New york, you can only receive financial aid ONE WHOLE FUCKING YEAR AFTER YOU COMPLETE AIT.
In short, the Guard/Reserves sucks dick, and I don't see the benefits for all the added stress while you're trying to finish school.
Just stay in school, if you still want to join at least you can be an officer.
PAARNG here, it's an alright gig, drill tends to be a lot of paperwork and hiding around the armory so it's not just shooting and doing cool shit one weekend a month, two weeks a year.
Hey anons, hilarious fucking thing happened today in my O room.
There was a PFC waiting outside my office to talk to me standing at ease. One of the other PSG goes up to him, stares straight at his face about 3 inches away, then rips off the US army tape off the PFCs uniform, walks to the paper cutter, and cuts up the tape. Everyone in the room was dead quiet just watching at what that PSG was doing and that PFC was just standing there with the most confused look on his face. PSG then tosses the velcro tape back at the PFC, walks up to him, stares for about 20 seconds, walks into his office, everyone is still dead silent wondering wtf just happened, PSG comes out then slaps a new us army tape on the PFCs chest, looks around, and says "Problem?"
I literally lost my shit for 5 min straight.
>I was the only one who busted out laughing, in a room of ~14 people.
We asked the PSG why he did that and he said "I thought it would be fun to freak that PFC out."
It didnt really work out as he planned though since that PFC didnt even react to it. When I finally talked with the PFC, he told me that all that was going through his head after his us army tape was cut up was how he was supposed to make it to the PX without anyone smoking him along the way for not having the tape on uniform LMAO.
Anyways, was funny as fuck to me and thought I should /blog it so you phaggots know that stupid shit like this happens.
Thanks for the tip man. I wouldn't go enlisted, I'd definitely do the Officer route. I just used "enlist" in a broad sense. My age (27) wouldn't be a disqualifying factor would it? Who would I even talk to about becoming an AF Officer?
When you go to recruiter station, tell them you want to talk to an officer recruiter. They will then take your info and either schedule you an appointment to talk with one, or the guy will contact you by phone. BTW, most AF recruiters arent actually in their offices and want you to call or email to schedule an appointment (kind of elitest like that), so its probably best to call and ask if they are in, or call and tell them you want to go officer and would like to speak more with someone.
Going back in for my final urine testing and to sign my naval contract tomorrow, what do you guys think, any of the intel positions (preferably Intel Analyst) or Nuke?
Nuke seems to be either great or suffering.
93 on the Assvab, some college, yadda yadda.
When your in guard you can MGIB, and get kickers, state bonuses, and usually a state contribution.
Knew a guy who enlisted in Guard, knocked out some schooling and lived at home got an associates, went active, did some courses while active, then when he ETS'd had 4 years of post 9/11 gi bill he used to finish his BA and get his masters.
As for being an officer, I recommend ROTC guys do the officer program that puts them with a drilling national guard unit (usually in their chosen field - but not every program has it). It's a great way to get a taste of it, esp, if you are guard/reserves bound, I'd recommend it for guys pushing active too
Never know you wont make it unless you try.
Just dont suicide if you fail. Its not like if you fail the school you will go "well I guess I got to commit suicide now guys"
Youll feel like shit obviously that you failed and now have to do a shit job, but that goes for most jobs in mil. For example, back in 2010, if you failed language school in the army, say goodbye to your 30k bonus and any other perks you got in your contract, you get anything lower than a B- in korean language course and you get reclassed to cook or laundry specialist, doesnt matter what your asvab score was, needs of army.
I would love to go Guard to pay for school, but I don't want to make a career out of the Mil. I eventually want to go to med school, and I believe the guard will only get in the way.
I also want to server because I want the off chance I actually get to do some cool shit
There are two pre-med advisers in my school who both did this (HSPS I think it's called), and they both recommended against it because you're basically giving up 10+ years to the Mil for shit pay in comparison to civilian practice. And all the while you still have to do big army shit.
All it takes is googling "USAF special duty pay".
There are TONS of special duty pays out there aside from airborne.
Hazardous Duty pay (Jump pay) Is 150 for every body doesn't mater if you are the lowest private or Sergeant Major of the Galaxy. You also only get it while actually on jump status.
When you are in airborne school you get the prorated amount to reflect your 3 weeks worth of training. If you go to a non airborne unit that's all you get since you are not on jump status.
Now for the Army there are different levels of Special Duty pay ranging from $75 to $450 extra a month.
Source : SM currently in the Army Recruiter School(Department of the Army Selected), before that instructor at Airborne School.
Fat Batt, Frat Batt, and Angry Batt haha. They all have their ups and downs. I really love the PNW. The Georgia summers are shitty as fuck. I went through rasp during the summer. So many heat cats at Cole Range. Fuck that woodline
I want to join the 75th. How is life in the battalion in general?
How hard are they to new comers?
Are rangers still being deployed?
One question that i must ask, above all, is it worth it? ...
Life in Battalion is chaotic. Constant training cycles. Long nights during the training cycle
Life as a new guy is rough. But definitely not as bad as it used to be. Some of the smoke sessions I endured as a new guy were worse then in rasp.
We're still deploying but it's not like it used to be.
Some will say it's not worth it. Others will say it is. I say it's worth it because once you get you're tab the opportunities are endless.
I’d also like some opinions on joining the Guard, particularly the ANG.
I’m a 30 year old with no prior service and no college degree. I have a great civilian career in aerospace but I really regret not serving when I was younger and I hope to be able to make up for that mistake.
There are quite a few support roles in the ANG that interest me and that I feel would benefit from my civilian expertise (things like avionics, machining, propulsion maintenance) but I’ve really been drawn to some of the Battlefield Airmen careers. In particular, I’m really interested in SOWT and TACP.
Does anyone here have any experience with fields like SOWT,CCT, TACP at the Guard level? I assume most/all BA fields are critically manned and thus its rather easy to get a shot to attend selection in the active duty AF, but now hard is it to get into a Guard unit within these jobs in order to attend selection?
How rare is it to find older non prior service dudes like myself enlisting in the Guard? What would the biggest challenges be to someone like me going down this path? Any advice or words of caution?
Idk you fitness level but its got to be crazy fucking good if you are wanting TACP type shit. Its hard to get a slot in active duty, so assume its 10x harder in national guard. You can actually google the job list for national guard for your area.
FYI military ages you, Im 27 but my body feels like its 50 years old. I doubt I could keep up with those guys for more than a year or two once in. I enlisted at 18, and my knees are blown to shit, I had back surgery to remove herniated disks, and I need to wear glasses now even though I never wore them before and no one in my family wears them. So take into account that your body needs to survive for how ever many years you end up doing high speed jobs.
I suggest sticking within your career field since it might help boost your resume if you ever needed to apply for a higher position and whatnot.
I believe you only have until 32 to join, so dont wait too long.
No, but you can get to a reasonable fitness goal of at least 40 push ups and a 18 minute 2 mile in that time frame which is just enough to be ale to keep up in basic and hopefully get a passing score at the end.
Thanks for the response. The physical aspects at my age are definitely something I’m considering, in particular I’m worried about recovery. I’m a fairly active runner/swimmer and was competitive in track/cc/swimming in HS and can barely remember ever being sore, whereas now I have to be much more cognisant of stretching before/after workouts. Recovery is probably my main concern. I fortunately don’t have any chronic injuries and my knees are still in great shape.
I’ve looked over the entry PAST requirements for SOWT/CCT to get an idea of what is expected and the initial requirements don’t seem too daunting but I haven’t been able to find info on what the graduating requirements are. Obviously I expect them to be quite a bit more rigorous. Does anyone here have any info regarding what the later requirements are, this would make it easier to assess where I stand.
I’m somewhat of a manlet at 5’9” 137lbs and while I haven’t done a simulated or real PAST I believe I would score fairly well.
My mile times on track are in the 4:15 range and my 2 mile drops off to around 9:10. I can do the 500m swim in 6:00. I have no problem doing 50 meter underwater swims and can bang out 22 pullups. I’ll have to time myself on the situps/pushups since I don’t ever do those timed.
I’m in CA and it looks like most of the jobs I’m interested in are out of state. Anyone have experience with joining another state’s Guard? Does this present any problems aside from having to cover transportation costs for drill weekends?
Nah, just always loved running and swimming for some reason.
I can't bulk up for shit though so its not like it helps with getting chicks. Its kind of a useless talent desu senpai.
Well if your stats are correct, then go for it. As long as you maintain your body you could handle it.
You can do the interstate thing, most of the time your costs are covered, but dont expect too much, its the military doing paperwork.
My suggestion is to talk to a recruiter, tell them what youre interested in and that you would like them to do a mock test on you. And see how well you do.
FYI getting a hold of a air force recruiter is VERY difficult. Give their office a call first, if no answer then show up at office and see what kind of info they left on the front door to contact them. You need to specifically talk to a national guard recruiter. You should definitly go on their website and leave your info for them to contact you when its convenient for them.
It took my buddy 3 days to get in touch with an actual AF recruiter. He lives in san fernando valley and tried to go to the recruiters there, but they are never there according to the other services recruiters. One of the days someone was actually there at their office, but it was some E3 admin bitch who said to come back later. He then went to the recruiting station in Simi Valley, and at that office they left a note saying to either call and schedule an appointment or drive to their main recruiting station in ventura. After waiting another 4 days or a response to voice mails he left, he said fuck it and joined the navy.
I'm thinking of joining the army NG in Florida so they could pay for my college
I got some questions.
1: DO I have to serve 8 years or can I talk to my recruiter and shorten it down
2: let's say I go inactive reserve.. In what circumstances would they call me up to fight and shit
3: I'm planning on going 11b what are some "high speed" things they make infantry do
4: can my state send me to schools like airborne or sniper school if I'm good enough?
5: are there any foreseeable conflicts or wars that might happen in the future.
6: if I do get deployed to war for whatever reason. Will they make the NG do retarded shit while the real active soldiers fight
7: what are the odds of me getting horribly disfigured or killed while on deployment
Please help. I don't want to waste the prime years of my life and if you have experience with the NG please share
Same thing happened with me. The AF recuriter took to long to reply and set up a meeting. About 4 weeks of waiting and getting told that they were busy.
I went to the navy recuriter and everything is moving fast. Its only been a week since I meet with the recuriter, he's already scheduled me to take the asvab and go to meps next week.
Aren't basically all forts where they do basic in the southern half of the US? I'm in arkansas and we pretty regularly have 50-60 degree days in december. Seems like it might suck less to go in the winter especially if you're gonna be in alabama or some shit
I'm 10,000 in debt for a medical career that I'm having no luck in getting a job with for the past few months, and in all honesty I want to move towards more engineering or science based fields.
23 years old and I want to be able to make a clean break from my family who have supported me very much but I feel like I'm rotting on the inside because I just keep cycling in and out of short term work and can't really help them.
What advice and what branch should I join if I just want to be able to pay that debt, save some money and have some skills that will help me move towards a career in engineering after 4 years.
So my brother in law has been in the reserves for the past few years and next weekend is enlisting full time in the army. What is he in for? He's fluent in Arabic if that makes any difference.
If you want engineering, Navy Nuke program is for you. You graduate with an electrical engineering degree, you get to go either Officer of Warrant Officer, and you get a -lot- of money.
All branches will help you pay debt, as long as you're taking a job worth the investment.
Problem is that if its too cold or too much snow they cancel trainings, which is about the only thing you look forward to doing while at bct since you literally sit around waiting to do shit.
1) You will serve 8 years total, you can change the amount of ACTIVE time, but the Inactive Ready Reserve (IRR) will total to 8 years.
2) IRR is called BEFORE a draft, or to fill vital roles. If you were a high demand job, and your job becomes needed for a surge or invasion, you'll be called up.
3) NG Infantry will not be doing all that much.
4) The Army can send you, but honestly if you're in NG don't plan on being Airborne or anything beyond a basic 11b
5) Globally there's Syria/Iraq/Iran, South America, Koreas, China via Proxy and Russia via Proxy
6) It's not "For whatever reason", NG and Reserves exist as a sort of checks and balance post Vietnam to ensure that there is consensus amongst the people to go to war. I can elaborate on that further if people want. tl;dr you will deploy in some capacity.
7) Not too high.
Had a pft today and here's how I did. I hope all of you are doing your PT every day lads
>6) It's not "For whatever reason", NG and Reserves exist as a sort of checks and balance post Vietnam to ensure that there is consensus amongst the people to go to war. I can elaborate on that further if people want. tl;dr you will deploy in some capacity.
Not him, but explain please.
After the Vietnam war, the military was restructured. Active Duty can maintain itself to some degree, but not at full deployment rate. Reserves for all branches are required to handle the logistics, while the NG provides a supplemental mix of combat arms and logistics, while also serving a purpose stateside.
NG requires the states governors to deploy.
The goal was that the US could never have another unpopular war, since the states would have to support the cause to mobilize the NG, and people have to be serving in the reserves as well.
95 still currently puts you at 130ish line scores in the Army, which qualifies you for everything by almost 20 points.
Percentile score or no, what does it matter when you're qualified for any MOS?
This to be forthright family
I got an 89 and qualified for every entry level job in the Army with my lowest line score being 125. Chose infantry
All you asvab score experts are dumb. Just because you get over a 90 percentile score doesnt mean you will have a 130+ gt score. Here is proof that you can get a 92 and still only get a 120GT.
Pic related, its my scores from back in 2010.
No I am not a nuke, I'm not even in the military (yet). I have friends going in for Nuke, and friends who are in currently as Nukes. Life is pretty crappy when you're on ship, windowless room, only Nukes allowed, etc. But money is solid.
Theres several variations of the test so depending on the random one the hungover NCO administered to you will change the max score possible in each composite score, therefore affecting your percentile grouping.
Again, what's the difference? Does anything require higher than a 112 GT? And GT was your lowest too which is really unlikely.
If anything, you're reinforcing the point being made. It's not hard to score in a high percentile, and any percentile higher than 88ish is almost definitely going to have the line scores for whatever you want to do.
Im just showing percentile doesnt mean shit.
Also, I didnt qualify for every job in all branches. There was a job in the AF called applications specialist or something that I didnt have high enough scores for.
Higher percentage means higher scores. Of course percentage means something.
Anyone on this board should skew higher than the general populace because the general populace includes people that can hardly read. Someone on this board not only reads but presumably has a level of understanding of what they read to comprehend a usual style of writing and set of vocabulary that differs from what they experience in day-to-day life. That shows a higher aptitude to learning for the average person on this board than the average person in the general populace.
This translates to average score of this board falling above the 50th percentile. That means that people on this board should do better than the majority. Higher percentiles mean higher scores. People here should take solace in knowing they'll do better than most, and should be optimistic that their higher scores may open the doors that they want open.
>joining the NG for college
The recruiters wont tell you this, but you wont be getting any college benefits worth serving for dude.While the NG and Reserves do have a tuition payment thing set up, its vastly lower than what you would get from Federal Pell Grant.
You will NOT get the Post 9/11 GI Bill upon entering. That is only for soldiers with over 18 months of Active Duty time.
Your service comes first. They will not let you skip duty just because you have an exam or an assignment due.
If you really need them to pay for you college just go active duty. That way you won't have to worry about rent, or food or anything else civillian students have to worry about.
Anybody got info on the 35f psy ops mos
What do they do really,also I'm planning on joining the reserve
What's airborne school like?
What's the SF stuff 35Fs do?
Its 37f btw anon, and good luck finding a guard unit near you that has that job available.
If youre going reserves, youre not actually going to be doing any of this shit actual 37f do. Unless you get a deployment. Otherwise have fun catching up on powerpoints every one weekend a month. Also hopefully you dont have a full time job you dont want to put on hold because you will have to go to language school if you arent already fluent in a language.
What are the best SOF careers and why?
I am personally thinking about either doing 68w and trying out for RASP or SFAS from AIT, or getting an 18x and getting the benefit of SOPC before going to SFAS. But I can't discount any of the other options. I'm not bound to any particular branch, I want to "shop around" and see what will be the most fulfilling job, that I'll enjoy thoroughly.
Generally speaking, recruiters have a lot riding on sending guys to SOF, so yes.
SEAL candidates are assigned a SEAL mentor, who they have to train under. The mentor eventually makes the decision as to whether or not the candidate is ready to go. I imagine your recruiters are all some form of mechanic or IT guys, so having a potential SEAL must be amazing for them. Additionally, they get a big paycheck if he makes it.
>tfw I was diagnosed with gout at age 25, 1 year after college graduation
>tfw I will never become an officer
fuck me, there goes my pipe dream...
Just got back from PT with other Army DEPs, we ran 2 miles at a slower than snails pace because these girls couldn't keep up. So afterwards me and a few of the other guys grabbed those shiny ass PT belts and went for a fast 3 mile run, got it done in about 25 minutes. Felt pretty good, so next week we are going to do ability group runs instead, that way we can actually improve and push ourselves.
You are going to pray for women to be in your unit when you get to one.
>tfw you are hungover the morning after 4th of july 4 day weekend, and BN cdr makes you do a run, and you hold onto your buddies pt belt while you "run" at a 1/2in per step pace due to females.
DO NOT do 35P unless you already know a language, have photographic memory, or you have a talent for languages.
This MOS is career ending if you fail language school.
If you are wanting this so you can learn a language, join as a 35M, or 37F, that way you wont have to live under trainee (IET) status for 1+ years.
>35P then 35N then 35F
>7 years time in service
Thanks man. If it really is that stressful I think I'm gonna drop that from the list. I really wanted to learn a language but oh well, guess I'll settle for expat after contract.
Could you tell me why to join as 35m?
Also, if anyone could tell me, are there any MOS that get Nippon/Korea overseas assignments often?
Join as 35m or 37F so that you dont have to live under trainee status while going to language school, and you have a better chance of picking language (35P does not choose language). So much less stressful, since you get to live off base in your own apartment and the only interaction you have with your unit is showing up to morning formation and PT. Then rest of day is just language class, and you do whatever you want on your off time. No barracks bullshit, or trainee bullshit.
35M usually go to asia if you get the language.
FYI korean is the WORST language course at DLI. They make it unnecessarily stressful. Youve probably heard stories of students in korea and japan being way hardcore and stressed the fuck out compared to students here in the states. Well the korean teachers at DLI expect the same dedication and standards from you as they would students back in their home country. So a B- is a fail, and a A- is a C+. And if their is a native speaker in your course they will expect you to keep up with the native speakers progress and grade you based off of the top student.
Every other language is better, because at least your not set to an impossible standard.
But the languages are still tough. Just korean is the worst language, when I went through it was 7/10 students are either failed out, or recycled to an earlier course. So a 1 year long course can become a 2 year long course. And if you fail it the second time you get reclassed to a random new mos where you have to go to a AIT as if you just finished BCT even though you were probably in for 2+ years already, and have basically wasted 2 years of your career, but luckily you signed for 5+ years : )
Sorry for wall of text, typing this brought back bad memories.
Man, after 2012 DLI went straight to shit town.
>No more interservice fraternization of any kind
>cant leave base without a friend
>no more alcohol allowed in barracks
I was there in 2007-09 as a student 35P, then went back there as cadre in 2012-2014
Marines are considered careerists due to having completed MCT
Airforce are basically prisoners, have to march everywhere, get tattle told on, have little report cards, etc...
Navy, act like weirdos here, so no one hangs out with them lol
Army are under strict phase 5 type IET bullshit, no such thing as phase 5+ anymore.
language training is okay, as long as your not going there as a 35p, and not learning korean.
Theres a lot of cool shit to do in the area. I learned about the finer things in life by attending the rich people parties and events over at pebble beach.
Me and my buddy used to collect business cards and whenever someone asked us for an invitation we were junior assistant designers for ferrari or some shit like that. The food was fucking good. I think I spent most of my paycheck on suits and accessories during my stay there.
Careerist? what branch?
Things to do immediately at arrival, eat at Compagnos sandwich shop located right outside the gate, super mil friendly, and fuck huge sandwich for cheap price.
Best food places:
Mexican - Papa Chevos
Japanese - Oh sushi
Chinese - either Dynasty or Great wall (you will like one or the other
American - American burger (gives mil discounts)
FYI literally EVERY food place delivers, they even have a doorbell dining service that can go pick up other shit for you like dennys.
DO NOT take military housing, you get paid like 1800 per month bah, and rent only costs about 8-900 for a really nice place. Might as well pocket the extra grand.
Best dry cleaners is rainbow cleaners, they can do next and same day cleaning if you ask. The dry cleaner on base is SHIT, they take a week to do your shit.
The MWR on post is actually good, no one uses it, so you can pretty much borrow shit like kayaks, bikes, and scuba gear whenever you want.
Also you can get motorcycle license over here as well.
I really wanna join the military, especially the air force. However, I have a ged. I realize the airforce only accepts people who score higher than 65 in my case. Is it even worth studying my ass off to get a high score or are they just gonna not accept me because of my ged?
If youre looking for places, look at seaside area, thats were most of the nicer apartments are for good price.
If you are planning to get a roomate, there are apartments right at the bottom of the base, and a few in pacific grove area. They are spendy, but within walking distance of base.
FYI if youre planning to ride a bicycle, DONT. The hill is fucking steep as fuck. I wore out the brakes on my bike 6 times before I said fuck it and just drove to all the formations.
I just left there last summer.
PRO TIP, every office is waaaay different than any other base youve probably been to. Supply isnt actually like a normal supply room. All they are going to give you is the unit patch, and a pt belt(hopefully they have some). The S2, isnt like a normal S2, etc...
Are you going as student or cadre?
FYI the PX on base is just the military clothing section and some snacks and shit, the real PX with furniture and shit is at old Fort Ord on the other side of town. The commisary is also at old Fort Ord.
If youre a student, have fun being responsible for IET soldiers you cant hang out with or even give lifts back to company if they have broken legs.
No joke we had an E5 go down to E4 for giving a lift to a IET soldier (with battle buddy) back to company because the van that brought them down the hill to PT wouldnt come back down to pick them up. IET soldier had double leg cast.
LMAO yup youre definitly gonna have a blast being responsible for IET soldiers. Try not to get into any trouble while here, and DO NOT go to the psych doctor here, even if ordered, do not fucking go. When command sends you to psych, that means they are trying to get you discharged (serious). Also medical here sucks as usual, so if you ever need specific treatments, bypass them and get a patient care advocate to get it for you whether it be MRI or physical therapy. I had to navigate a medboard at that shit hole.
Easiest languages that require no effort, tagalog, japanese, indonesian, thai, russian
Medium tier, spanish, french, serbo croatian
High difficulty, middle eastern languages, chinese
HIGHEST difficulty, Korean
But word on the street is most people are getting middle eastern languages or reclassing for middle eastern languages.
word of advice, DO NOT fuck with the S2. OIC is hardcore, can either fight dragons to help you out, or literally bury you.
Did I mention supply is fucking weird here? Because it is. Almost non existant.
Also you will have CQ at least once a month. Make sure you know the rules for IET/careerist fraternization. You cant be around only 1 IET soldier, they have to have buddies.
Unless youre E7 and above or an officer, then you get to go to the most relaxed company you have ever seen in the entirety of the Army. Literally no accountability or obligations to attend formations.
You would think so.....but its literally the card commanders pull on soldiers they want to get rid of. Once you go to psych, they can find ANYTHING wrong with you.
A few examples:
>Administrative seperation for Narcissism (soldier argued for a reclass from 35P to 35N per contract for 35W. CoC was giving him 88M)
>Administrative seperation for Somatic disorder for pain (soldier had back surgery 2 months prior to this seperation)
>Administrative seperation for anger issues, this one was a doozy. (soldier had shoulder injury that doctor refused to diagnose for over 2 years, doctor sent him for psych eval, and he was diagnosed with somatic disorder for pain, soldier was wealthy so he seeked out civilian doctors, medical and psych, 3 for each. All civilian doctors said he had a serious shoulder injury that needed to be treated with surgery and that he was mentally sound. Soldier confronts military doctor with evidence, mil doctor sends him to mil psych doctor again, psych doctor diagnoses him with anger issues since he yelled at the doctor after providing evidence the doctor was in the wrong, soldier got seperated, medical and psych doctors got investigated, but were evaluated by peers, and medical doctor kept job, and psych doctor was transfered to another base. FYI both these doctors were civilians. Soldier accepted the discharge since by that point his shoulder could never be 100% again, and he didnt want to see his useless command ever again.)
All at DLI between the years 2011-2014
Not at all unreasonable for a typical out of shape modern fatcunt.
>yfw weeaboo succeeds and has a successful career in a very difficult MOS just to go to Japan
Heh, I saw one of your stories about that half a dozen or so threads ago. Warms my heart.
Higher than 65 what? On the ASVAB? A 65 overall on the ASVAB means you basically failed it. And even if you only have a GED, you should have a pretty easy time studying for any tests you need to pass.
Why the fuck are they teaching soldiers tagalog?
Its uncommon, but specifically at DLI, you have to live off base if you are a careerist. Its a small ass base that houses all 4 services. If you are married, even if IET, you get to live off base.
Funny memory just popped up in my head.
There was this 18 series officer who was filipino, who learned tagalog at DLI, and his first middle and last name were all the same name, for example "Gaspar Gaspar Gaspar"
When I saw his full name, I was like, this is the most special forces person I have ever met, dudes names are all the same.
Could you imagine your name being Smith Smith Smith? Operator as fuck
Can someone explain the term careerist for me? Is it just active duty as opposed to guard/reserves?
Oh yeah, I forgot about that
I think I'll name my son that way
>Please state your last name
>Please state your first name
>.....Please state your middle name
>What is your full name sir?
>Constable arrest this man for making a mockery of this court
Navy DEP specwar wannabe faggot here
Going for EOD. Anyone have any insight? What's the washout rate?
Is it worth it?
Know any goyim who defused bombs for Israel?
I'm an officer in the NY army national guard. Its not a bad gig overall. Your active duty friends will call you a nasty girl and make fun of you though, so don't expect any respect from them. I make way more as a civilian than I would as an active duty officer anyways. Plus I only have to deal with bullshit once a month rather than living it.
Hehehehe i was also in delta company. Was their supply nco for 6 months until they got an actual 92y to take over. Cool as banner we created for dragon symbol, but gay ass saying "dig deep" we had a shitty commander who came up with it and the whole company gave zero fucks, so it became the motto.
I was there for korean way back when
>Unless youre E7 and above or an officer, then you get to go to the most relaxed company you have ever seen in the entirety of the Army. Literally no accountability or obligations to attend formations.
That would be me. Thanks for the info.
>Can someone explain the term careerist for me? Is it just active duty as opposed to guard/reserves?
If you are in your initial entry training (IET) or initial military training (IMT) period, which basically means you are not qualified to go do your job yet, you fall under an entirely different and ridiculous set of regulations.
Careerists just fall under "normal" Army regs.
>Can i keep my day job
Yes. Although I'm terribly confused with why you think you couldn't.
Depends on your rank, time in service, and number of periods per drill (one day is two periods, drills are usually 4-6 periods).
I enjoy the guard. You can have a very different military experience than active duty and in a way I think it makes for more well rounded soldiers (the fat joke makes it self right there).
Yeah, we had a real d-bag when I was there. He came from artillery or some shit and thought he was going to change the MI mentality. Our 1SG and platoon sergeants thought he was a fool. Thus is life in the Army...
>has day job plus already finished college
Anything the Nasty Girls weekend warrior program could give you, you already have, aside from being able to claim you served by technicality kinda like how the kid with downs that they let be the water boy can say he was part of the team.
Is it consistent or do laisons come every so often. I'm looking for the vb est path to regiment without an option 4 or option 40. I want 68w pimarily, but I'd rather be an 11b in regiment than a 68w in some REMF unit during peace time
Is there a backlash if you don't submit your rough application for OCS within two weeks? My recruiter said two weeks but I have to get like 5 letters of recommendation and my professor is taking forever to get around to it.
Is there any backlash if I don't submit one at all and try again at a later time?
You can't do shit in BCT except BCT.
You can possibly have access to it in AIT, but generally you're bretty busy with everything else.
Mentally scratch out BCT and AIT and assume you won't be able to do shit else except training, and then wait until you're at your first duty station.
Different anon here. I was in delta for korean 2010-2012
CPT "queen" we will call him was Air defense.
Also idk if u remember the supply sgt there, but he got dishonorabled for grand larceny and then worked at the chase bank down the road as a teller.
Thats when i learned dishonorable doesnt mean shit outside mil.
>dropped out of community college recently
>family refuses to take me to dmv for license since I failed permit test twice
>no license=no reliable transportation=auto rejection from every job position
>parent soon to kick me out
Should I try to enlist in the military? I'm not fit right now but it looks like either this, hobo life, or live around niggers forever.
duolingo is great
I have a dilemma guys. SERE specialist sounds like a much more enjoyable time in for me, and is extremely in line with my personal hobbies and interests (hiking, backpacking, swimming, etc.). However, the washout rate is very high, and I don't know what I would end up doing if I didn't make it through.
My other consideration is weather officer, because it's more in line with my civilian career (environmental/earth science) and my goals of working for NASA, and it would boost my career more, and as far as I know, weather officer is not a highly competitive area and even if I don't succeed whatever else I get won't be too different (still officering) whereas if I washed out of SERE I would probably end up a mechanic or something. Plus I'd be making twice as much money.
My one concern though is about how much meteorology I would actually learn as a weather officer, of if everyone under me would know a lot more.
Now I know I meet the height/weight requirements to get into Army, but not the PT ones. Do they take you to some area to test you on PT before you can enlist/get sent to basic?
Go for dreams anon.
I wish i held out at recruiter for 35m, but didnt wait and picked 31b. Absolutely hated the job, but im a 35m and happy as can be. Took me 4 years to reclass. And 3 of those years was a waste of time.
Hell, even full timers in the Guard have to turn down advancement (or even accept demotion) to retain a full-time position. For example, a Supply NCO remaining a SSG for fucking ever -- or a SFC Readiness NCO taking a demotion so he can work as a Supply NCO since there are no open slots in his State.
Still, all that said, its a good gig (at least in Oklahoma... Mon-Thu, 0800-1600) with all the benefits.
As I understand, a lot of the washout at PJ is during water con. IIRC PJ has the highest washout rate in the armed forces, presumably because you have to learn emergency medicine while also doing some of the physically toughest training.
I think the reason SERE has such a high washout rate is
1. a lot of people think they can't wait to go innawoods all the time and then realize they don't actually like being forced to support themselves innawoods without the option of going home whenever, and
2. It's stressful for a lot of people to keep up with all of the running and rucking to their standard (according to some ostensible former SERE guy on a forum the average day includes 6-8 miles running and 6-8 miles rucking with 65+ pounds)
Dont worry about long term, thats what the GI bill is for.
Can you imagine, going weather and finding out how much you fucking hate it, only to be stuck doing it for next 5 years, and cant go SERE anymore since no fuck you we are military we dont want you to reclass?
That's a pretty decent point. Although I will already have two degrees when I join if all goes according to plan (I'm sure you know that I will need a bachelors if I plan to be an officer). I've been wondering about whether I should pursue a masters with the GI Bill or just get another degree...maybe I'll do meteorology. But the military experience in meteorology would be much more valuable I think than getting a bachelors in it. Especially if I want to work for NASA.
Hmm, dunno what to suggest.
Obviously weather officer would get you into NASA.
LMAO flip a coin
Or better yet, enlist SERE, do it for 2-3 years (however many you need before you can reclass or put in OCS packet), then put in packet for weather officer
Doesn't seem like you have any other options. Just remember to go ACTIVE DUTY. Not reserves or Guard, other wise you'll be right back in the same predicament you were before you left for basic.
Ok so here is the thing dude, your parents are assholes. but fret not, I know guys who came in not having driver licenses and its not an issue and its because you don't need it. here is what is needed to prove US citizenship and this is directly from Army Regulation 601-210 which covers enlistment eligibility
c. Documents to verify eligibility include (return all documents to applicant after proper citizenship entries are made
on the DD Form 1966)—
(1) For U.S. citizens—
(a) Birth certificate showing birth within the United States.
(b) INS or USCIS Form N–550/551/570 (Naturalization Certificate).
(c) INS or USCIS Form N–560 or N–561 (Certificate of United States Citizenship).
(d) U.S. passport (unaltered and originally issued for 5 or more years to the applicant).
(e) DD Form 372.
(f) DS Form 1350 (Certification of Birth).
(g) FS Form 545 (Certification of Birth Abroad of U.S. Citizen).
(h) FS Form 240 (Consular Report of Birth Abroad of U.S. Citizen).
Does it say drivers license any where in there? Now as far as getting out to be able to enlist, if you call your local Armed Forces Career Center and tell them whats up I guarantee that they will be willing to give you a ride to the station to sit down and talk out a way to achieve your goal. At the end of the day that's why we have GOV's at centers. Additionally if you go and talk to them about this plan to come in, I am sure that your shit heel parents will get off your back and let you stick in the house long enough to ship out for basic.
On the point of not being fit you would be surprised how many out of shape people come into the military. Additionally even if you enlist and aren't able to do a single push up there are PT plans for PRE -BCT future soldiers who are waiting to ship.
What I would recommend to you is go onto Goarmy.com and explore jobs and come up with a top ten list that sound up your alley.
Once you get this top ten list go onto you tube and search for that MOS. The USAREC youtube channel has cheesy videos on every single job in the US Army so you can get an idea. Then go take the ASVAB and get your score. With that score its going to give you an AFQT(which is the cumulative ASVAB score) then you will get line scores. You can then go back to Goarmy.com and input your line scores and figure out exactly which jobs are open to you with those scores. Hopefully they will match up with the first list you made. If anything changes and jobs are not open to you with those scores fill in the positions that were closed. Take your time and do research, so that way when you go back to the Recruiting station you have an idea of what YOU want. So you don't get a recruiter lead you along and down a rabbit hole of locking in a job you don't want to do. Once you get something figured out you can go back to MEPS and take your physical and talk to the career counselor and get your job locked in and swear the oath of enlistment and get a ship date. Or you could knock out the physical one day and the enlistment portion on a different day, it's all up to you.
Also the only legal binding contract between you and the federal government is the DD form 4, until you sign that you can walk away at anytime if you want.
Not nearly as high, I think the biggest challenge for CCT is being a good aircraft controller while also passing all the special operations physical training. I have a buddy who was a CCT, but he blew out an eardrum and got discharged. He said he couldn't imagine a better and more fun job.