Leaflets this time dropped by the Syrian army asking armed rebels to drop their weapons, warns them strikes will intensify, worst is yet 2 come, midday deadline 4 overwhelming strikes.
Field Commander of Rebel 'Nusra Front' Mu'ad Abu al Shami was killed in Aleppo clashes Southern
Military Commander Salih Al Jaish Sinda of Islam was killed in Aleppo Clashes Southern
Military Commander Uqba Abu Ahmad al-Faruq for Brigade was killed in Aleppo Clashes Southern
Militant commander of 'Nusra front' Abu Muaad Sirya 'was killed in Southern Aleppo by army FAB-1500.
> no chance of long-term survival for ANYONE involved.
Some people thrive
Is Russia going to do anything over the shoot-down?
>Implying there is any way to measure if they have put down their weapons
>Implying the leaflets aren't there for sole reason of saying: "we warned them, but they didn't listen" after droppin them bombs
Alright /k/, who the hell is gonna win this big super slam, if anyone comes out alive in this shit mess at least. If everyone dies and the country never recovers, what the hell happens to all that state territory? Aren't the days of seizing territory like that over, or will it just get cut up between Israel and Syria other neighbors?
The most /pol/ tier response I have ever read. I ask him substantiate his claims because his information is usually recycled pro SAA bullshit. Some of us actually follow the conflict and are interested in accurate information about it not just jerking it over slavs dropping bombs on shitskins.
Pretty bummed out PD left this place only to be replaced with shits like you and Mandick.
5 star here , I float in and out of mandic threads. Admittedly him or someone who plays him has got a lot better at least posting something even if it's the most pro regime shit you can find. I like seeing what their most optimistic feelings are.
I am not very emotionally involved like some here think I am. I have learned more about weapons, tactics and human behavior following the Syrian war (mainly) than any conflict I have ever read about. This never ending war is the gift that keeps on giving.
oh and their new thing is posting body counts , like it's Vietnam all over again. You kill x amount of rebels and y will be the result.... a interesting response to the TOW videos.
I agree, I am more interested to see the geopolitical ramifications of this and how each side fights. I don't actually care who wins but I would like to know what the score is while I watch the game.
and more early info coming. Heavy combat in both Ghoutas. If you recall the SAA backed with Ruaf have made new progress in certain parts of eastern ghouta. It's been a hard slug fest though so don't expect there to be any major changes in the lines today.
Southern Aleppo again as the SAA and friends make a attempt at Al Hadher and vicinity. It could be decisive if they take it. Al Nursa at the same time has other plans as they continue their counter attack in the same area. Breaking... FSA already reported killing armor/technical and killing many SAA along with them in southern Aleppo.
Keep a watch on Al Hawl, IS at the supply choke points, Latakia , Hama , Homs.
I'm probably going to be asleep when the real action starts.
source on latakia
The regime forces opened fire of heavy machine guns on areas in the towns of Western Samadaniyya and Hamidiya in the countryside of Al-Quneitra, and there were no information about injuries.
The number of soldiers of the regime forces who were killed in clashes with the rebel and Islamist factions around the village of Ghamam in the northern countryside of Lattakia has risen to 8 at least, information reported that the regime forces retake the whole village again.
The rebels factions targeted by a guided missile a regime forces’ Shilka on al- Masasnah checkpoint on the northern countryside of Hama killing its crew.
The regime warplanes carried out several raids on the villages of Lahaya, Ma’er Kebbah and Letmin in the northern countryside of Hama leading to wound some rebels.
copy pasted from SOHR
yes the video of the early morning southern Aleppo fighting here, FSA claiming they killed a few SAA
The other stuff is my collection from various news agencies of the first things I see come up on the wires. I follow the fighting when it happens as well as my own commentary.
what sources do you use? Im trying to find a good one and while Institute for the Study of War is good, it takes a while for them to publish their findings. Adversely, SOHR publishes quickly (compared to ISW) but they aren't as in depth.
It depends on the area , both pro and anti twitters and all the various news agencies.
The source reporting on the fighting right then and there is what I use instead of waiting for everyone else to parrot them. I try to cross check them before going off on 4chan.
Any news on the Kurds advance on Raqqa? Last I heard was that they will be in a position to attack the city in a few weeks, but then the chatter on that offensive died down
They're focusing on clearing Hasakah governate right now. They've been fighting to take control of Al-Hawl, and then they're going to push south towards the Euphrates.
I doubt the YPG is actually going to go into Raqqa city, they're probably going to pave the way there for the new Syrian Democratic Forces (really the only good Syrian Rebels at this point) to take the city. It will probably be a long time before that happens. Raqqa is heavily reinforced, it won't fall that easily. The operation will probably happen alongside the liberation of Mosul.
Maybe, 11 airstrikes in Raqqa today. It was quite a show. May even be a softening up attempt.
On another IS note "surprise" (lol) IS on the outskirts of T4 again. Those fuckers love to switch up their attacks. They always seem to control the tempo and always surprise.
IS also attacking non IS rebels near northern Daraa. Damn i'm going to bed soon and SHTF already.
its kinda sad it wasnt a shoot down, NATO would have had to back off from Ruskie intervention and with it happening over Sinai, big Sisi and the pain squad would probably step up to the fight
Apparently the Russian air force has started using KAB 1500Kr TV guided bomb to pound the moderate head choppers / slave traders in their compound promptly sending them to their maker.
I say good job chaps ! bloody thing looks like it was created during the cold war.
don't expect the KAB 1500Kr TV's to be used a lot. Russia is using the poor generals arsenal since they are in a recession and know they are in it for the long run.
They'll whip out their nicer toys once in a while in order to do a "media shoot" but then they'll revert back to their cheaper weapons once no one is looking.
Just look at all those "amazing ballistic missiles" Russia used on a pile of dirt and a few ISIS goat farmers a while back. They stopped as soon as they got what they wanted: a show of force
>I i-is assad going to make it?
Who cares, maybe his wife will be back on the market?
then tell me why Russia isn't using ballistic missiles against ISIS or the rebels?
I ain't shilling, im stating the truth, Russians find it more cost effective to use dumb bombs and use smart bombs for media shoots.
Also, could you in the very least provide some context as supposed to a single confusing sentence like in >>27780580? I don't wanna be handfed info, but i'd like to know what you are talking about
just don't get butthurt when people speak their minds, other anon just said what he thought and didn't even actively shill. You got butthurt wayyy too quickly, and when you did, you were open to attack
Part of the plan is to get to the air base, If they can relieve the towns of Nubl and Zahraa, they could then threaten to cut off insurgent elements inside Aleppo by driving from Nubl towards SAA positions in western Aleppo. If this happens, insurgent forces will be forced to fight in the open more often (as there are only a few towns that are spread out between Nubl and the outskirts of Aleppo) in order to stop the advances of the SAA and are then prone to aerial strikes, risk being cut off in Aleppo or retreat from the city.
well they were raped for hundreds of years, I mean so we're Bosnians and Croats but much less so, they mainly targeted Christians and at the time Bosnians were persecuted by the church so they just left it
That's because most of today's "croats" are catholic serbs.
No they aren't, they have genetic material that predates the arrival of any Slavs by thousands of years, this genetic material is present in all three groups of people but you look at the proportions of it in relation to the other genes. Croats and Bosniaks have genetic material that predates Slavs, there is no way Serbs and Croats arrived there prior to this, the numbers simply don't show it.
German media confirms: Putinik Airliner was shot down by ISIS-Egypt
US special report
Read something about an infrared sattelite shot detecting a heat flash but thought it was bs.
>Raqqa is heavily reinforced, it won't fall that easily. The operation will probably happen alongside the liberation of Mosul.
Do you have any clue if the Mosul operation's gonna start from the east (Erbil) or from the south (Baghdad) or from both as some sort of pincer move and who will be taking part?
The western forces putting boots on the ground in Iraq. My best guess is that the West is taking the prime responsibility of securing Iraq and the Russians are assigned Syria, but that's some crackpot speculation.
German media rag is a liar, sorry ISIS doesn't have BUKs.
Random new pics by ISIS in Iraq
Oh mandic you dirty nigger you, were looking at the same link at the exact same time. How cute.
Fucking sandfags always skip leg day. How the fuck is this fag supposed to run anywhere with tiny ass legs and huge upper body plus military gear? Silly Snakbars.
Moderate CIA-supported democratic pro-western rebels vin east-gutha use random Alewite civilians (men and women alike) and POWs as human shields, putting them in cages on public places to ward off Russian and Government air-strikes.
Repeat after me:
>FSA are the good guys
>FSA didnt do nothings
>FSA wants to build a democratic Syria
And I like how Der Spiegel has closed the comment section preemptively, so that we cannot point this out.
I dont want to live on this planet anymore.
5 star back. Good reports for non IS rebels today. What happened in Daraya, much earlier, is said as FSA elements had ambushed SAA forces who were gathering to attack in Daraya. They caught them off guard and killed ALOT of them. What happened since was SAA retaliation by shelling the shit out of the area. The SAA was very pissed over the ambush.
>Killing field leader of the so-called "Martyrs Brigade of Islam" Ammar Abu Maher.
US officers have begun training the militants in the Turkmen regions Salma Brive Latakia
officers transported the Americans training for Turkmen militants from Turkey into Syrian territory.
That is one fuckmothering mountain of xxxtra large man meat. I imagine thats a a speisss muhreeeen looks like.
oh sorry, I see you were responding to the caged prisoners being put out in the open to be bombed.
I know it is a low thing to do. After Douma was smashed by airstrikes in civilian areas the rebels wanted payback. It's the dirtiest type of war you can imagine when civilians are free game but that line has already been crossed a long time ago.
Killing of the leader of the "Al-Nusra Front," "Abu Bakr Hazani" shot dead by the army in the northern countryside of Latakia.
Video of Jaf advances today. You can now say the SAA offensive in Hama has backfired as Jaf responded with a aggressive counter attack.
The assassination of the leading perpetrators of the attack on the hospital Idlib and Jisr and Jericho terrorist Yusuf Junaid (Abu al-Faruq) improvised explosive device targeted his motorcade on a road Aleppo International near Sracb Brief Idlib, killing himself on the spot.
I am sure you all have already seen this but the evidence is mounting that a bomb was on board Airbus A321 where 224 Russian tourists died over Egypt.
Some Jihadist smuggled a bomb on board. That's been my theory since early yesterday and I am sticking to it now. He blew it when the flight leveled off. Likely in the bathroom so no one could see him pull it out.
Killing field commanders Sari Akoshmh and Mohammed Abdullah bakeware after aiming by the Syrian army on the outskirts of Hama Mork.
3 high ranking Iranian IRGC commanders have killed in the last two days in Syria and one Baji commander. One of the Iranians is not pictured. I like this attrition game!
killing of "leaders" is overblown so fucking much.
Any dude who has say over 3 other guys is apparently a "HIGH LEVEL LEADER".
I wish I could see through the bullshit and know who is -actually- important and not just a rebel level sergeant.
Also they still haven't killed either of the giga-Chechens so yeah those guys need some more PR I miss them.
I have new word on the Daraya ambush. It was Shuhadaa al-Islam Brigade of the FSA that did the ambush killing 15 SAA soldiers before the SAA was going to attack in Daraya. The attack kicked off anyway ending up in more loses on both sides with the SAA taking the brunt of it.
Most certainly not, the ear is entirely wrong. Would have been cool though.
Browsing my outdated picture folder from the conflict, just some neat pics.
just black silhouette of SSNP logo. Basically Syrian Fascists, paramilitary political party that works with NDF.
What's interesting is that could be a (relative) fresh Russian provided T-72, or just one they've dragged out of storage with a unique set up.
Either or is possible.
Not sure, the rate they are dying at has brought conspiracy theories that the Israelis are providing intel to rebel groups on the Iranian officers movements or it could be just being on the frontline and they die like everyone else when a mortar shell comes in.
I agree and the rebels overblow their enemies loses all of the time. This time the new "body count" 'leader dead count" on pro SAA/allies media is simply trying to respond to the TOW videos which clearly got under their skin and showing the Russian air power as helping.
This war has turned into attrition and everyone is going take loses, 99% of them won't make a difference in the overall war.
Get comfy komrades! And START MOVING!
This video is a couple of days ago in Latakia. A rebel is trying to shoot a RPG as you can hear machine gun fire exchanges and artillery come in. I would be scared. It gives you a idea of how these things go.
Aleppo: the collapse of the complete lines of defense organization "Daash" Sheikh Ahmed in the countryside east of Aleppo with the progress of the Syrian army infantry forces on several axes and control most of the revival of the town.
So, are the soldier's families trapped in the ghettos by SAA forces, or is it so inconceivable to leave the compound that no one does?
It's as if soldier's families (and therefore the soldiers themselves) are being held hostage by a situation they helped create.
I love how war is full of irony.
1st video is a confirmed fake.
2nd video says nothing.
Man, war looks cool.
If only you didn't have to get shot at it would be a blast.
I have an idea!
Whenever men from two different countries get tired of hanging out with their significant others they could do a false flag and declare war on one another. They could meet up in a rural area and bring tons of guns and pretend to kill each other all the while they're shooting at broken down cars and getting drunk.
It'd be like a /k/ meetup, except with normies and entire countries would be involved.
One volunteer battalion doesn't mean shit you moron. I guarantee there are plenty of European armies that have right wing battalions and paramilitary groups. Ever heard of the KKK? Do they represent the entire US perspective? Think before you type.
>Much of europe a wasteland
>dozens of millions dead after both WWI and WWII
>gigantic ideological divides at continental, national, ethnic, racial, and door-to-door levels
>massive foreign interests using Europe as the stage for a nuclear proxy cold war after WWII
You're being silly.
You know the FDF has volunteer battalions that are getting paid for doing soldiering work and education. Like people purposefully play like they've never heard of a national guard or a semi-professional army or what? Oh yeah wait, no biz like the shilling biz...
Dunno what the Ruskies have nowadays, but at least Zapad -81 was hella rad shit.
Army simplifies full control on the road to Aleppo Khanasser peaceful archaeological .. and will be open to citizens Thursday morning.
According to Suvorov all tanks participating are later scrapped due to outliving the service hours. i.e. T55 may run for 500 hrs only; then it is stripped to hull; given a new engine, FCS, etc. Another 250 hours and renoved T55 is considered useless.
But like "FUCK, we sure made them capitalist fascists shit their pants, had fun in the process and a T-55 costs three liters of sourmilk and a can of herring to make, 100% worth it!"
Have they been using the Hmeymim Airbase before, or is this a new addition and they've flown in more planes?
faggot pls, they use that airbase since beginning
Everyone was throwing resources into Europe after the war because things actually mattered there.
Who is going to sink billions into Syria once this is over not matter who wins? At least Libya has oil and only 6 million inhabitants.
>Everyone was throwing resources into Europe
The Marshall Plan was peanuts, adjusted for inflation.
130 billion dollars in today's money. For an entire continent.
And everyone's throwing resources at Syria as well.
>Who is going to sink billions into Syria once this is over not matter who wins?
The US alone has already given Syria 4.5 billion in the context of this crisis.
my how politically correct of you! too bad its not true.
Specific studies of Slavic genetics followed. In 2007 Rębała and colleagues studied several Slavic populations with the aim of localizing the Proto-Slavic homeland. The significant findings of this study are that:
Two genetically distant groups of Slavic populations were revealed: One encompassing all Western-Slavic, Eastern-Slavic, and few Southern-Slavic populations (north-western Croats and Slovenes), and one encompassing all remaining Southern Slavs. According to the authors most Slavic populations have similar Y chromosome pools — R1a. They speculate that this similarity can be traced to an origin in the middle Dnieper basin of Ukraine during the Late Glacial Maximum 15 kya.
However, Southern-Slavic populations including the Bosnians, Croats (excluding north-western Croatia), Serbs, Bulgarians and Macedonians are clearly separated from the tight DNA cluster of the rest of the Slavic populations. According to the authors this phenomenon is explained by "... contribution to the Y chromosomes of peoples who settled in the Balkan region before the Slavic expansion to the genetic heritage of Southern Slavs ..."
Not to mention the USSR's drive for reparations from Germany especially. They essentially de-industrialised their sector of occupation. Caused all sorts of issues for the GDR, even though the Soviets eventually ceased and began to try and prop up the East German economy.
There were loans that are not included in the relief plan not to mention the shipments of food and other resources vital to reconstruction like iron and wood at a reduced price. And that’s not mentioning the armies of combat engineers and administration staff from both western powers and Soviet forces as they tried to exert their influence over the remains of Europe.
Simply put the Marshal plan was far from the only thing that was sent to Europe, It just happens to be the most well-known,
>The US alone has already given Syria 4.5 billion in the context of this crisis.
That's approximately one billion a year and I bet you that that is going to be reduced once the war is over and the news moves on to other things, just like Afghanistan.
You think Iran, Russia, the US, Saudi Arabia, ... aren't going to be foaming at the mouth to rebuild Syria to extend their influence?
>That's approximately one billion a year
Yes, and the war isn't even over yet.
The EU spent 4.2 billion on Syria in that same timeframe too.
And the UN as a separate entity pledged another 6.5 billion for Syria.
That's 15.2 billion from the US, EU, and UN alone.
That's without the aid from the Muslim world and Russia.
And then there's all the other help from around the world, be it refugee asylum, the supply of food and medical care, ...
>I bet you that that is going to be reduced once the war is over
That's when the real money will start rolling in for reconstruction, like Iraq.
>just like Afghanistan
Afghanistan isn't over yet bucko.
You're a raging idiot if you think Syria can in any way be compared to the devastation that was WWI and WWII.
Enough fascist regime propaganda
Any good news about our democratic rebels?
>You think Iran, Russia, the US, Saudi Arabia, ... aren't going to be foaming at the mouth to rebuild Syria to extend their influence?
The side that wins doesn’t need to do anything more since they will pretty much already have all the influence that they need. I mean do you honestly think that if Assad wins he will go to the Iranians or Russians and say what? ‘Give me money or else!’
>The EU spent 4.2 billion on Syria in that same timeframe too.
On Syria isn’t the same as in Syria nor in the Syrian economy. Much of that money goes to refuge camps outside Syria and on food and medicine.
>And the UN as a separate entity pledged another 6.5 billion for Syria.
Of which only 2.4 billion was given since the UN doesn't have any founds and has to appeal to donors. And that includes the offers by Arab countries.
>No. That's when the real money will start rolling in for reconstruction, like Iraq.
Reconstruction of Syria is nothing like reconstruction of Iraq since in Iraq there was a vital resource industry that could pay for it later, not to mention that the war in Iraq was hardly as damaging as the Syrian one. And if we’re talking about Iraq then you should know that much of that money was spent on trying to bring down corruption and institutional failures. You think it will be any cheaper in Syria?
>Afghanistan isn't over yet bucko.
Of course its not over. I'm talking about the Soviet intervention and how Arab/western/Soviet donors sank billions into it during that war only to pack up and go home after it was done.
>You're a raging idiot if you think Syria can in any way be compared to the devastation that was WWI and WWII.
Well at least you’re right on one thing. Post-war Syria will not be compared to post-war Europe, it will be a shithole mired in ruins for years to come. Not as bad as some sub-Saharan African countries, but hardly a new Lebanon and that’s being generous.
This is a video of the Khannisr road being reopened today. Great victory for the SAA if they can keep the road safe.....
However IS may have just cut another part of the main supply road (by Mahin) and the SAA has to scramble to re open it again. Nobody is sure if IS was able to cut it yet. This area is also a major regime supply choke point.
>The side that wins doesn’t need to do anything more since they will pretty much already have all the influence that they need.
Which is why the US never instated the Marshall plan in Europe right? Because they won?
I'm not going to waste any more time reading your demented bullshit posts.
Europe was extremely fucked up after both WWI and WWII, far worse than this Syrian war.
And every time Europe bounced back after like five years, better than ever.
Saying "nobody can win in Syria because it's blasted to bits" is a stupid thing to say considering the above.
Not him but the Chinese will probably come in and buy everything. They are usually the first to throw money at questionable shit hole investments regardless who controls the country.
>Which is why the US never instated the Marshall plan in Europe right? Because they won?
They won, but it wasn't as if history ended with that. Half of fucking Europe was under Soviet control and a way to prevent the rest of it from falling due to perceived Marxist expansion amongst the population was to shore up the existing US friendly governments. If anti-Assad forces win then who the hell will there be near Syria to challenge the winners? Jordan? Turkey? Iraq?
All of these are already up to their neck in US spunk anyway.
>Europe was extremely fucked up after both WWI and WWII, far worse than this Syrian war.
And every time Europe bounced back after like five years, better than ever.
I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself, but unlike you I will have the patience and do it as many times as possible in the hopes of something getting through your ignorant fucking skull and hopefully stick there.
Syria is not fucking Europe. Saying ‘’B-but Europe was rebuilt!’’ means jack shit since Europe actually mattered to every great power in the industrial, political, technological, economical and military sense.
Can Syria be rebuilt? Well of course it can, there is nothing stopping it except foreign money, foreign manpower, foremen expertise and foreign ensured security.
Will it be in the same sense as Europe even if it has three times as long time to do it? No.
A win is a win but for the western powers an Assad victory won’t diminish shit since Syria wasn’t actually part of the western backed world when this started.
Some guy on twitter is saying there was AC-130 air cover for the SDF/YPG offensive on AL Hawl.
US proxy forces with US SF embedded are on the march into IS territory. The AC-130 is one badass CAS platform. A single AC-130 can flatten a small city.
>but it wasn't as if history ended with that
You just said "if they win there's no need to do anything more".
Can you see how you're just contradicting yourself with stupid bullshit?
>Syria is not fucking Europe.
So fucking what?
Europe was utterly devastated, and rebuilt in a very short time with a bit of help.
Syria is not even close to the same level of devastation, and they're getting tons of help already, so why could they not rebuild?
>Don't turn Syria into another Libya
That would be a real travesty wouldn't it?
Internally displaced people 2%
Internally displaced people: 36%
>You just said "if they win there's no need to do anything more".
>Can you see how you're just contradicting yourself with stupid bullshit?
Of course I said two different things since I keep telling you that post-war Syria will be nothing like post-war Europe.
If Assad wins then he will be left with Iran and Russia as only possible allies willing to give large amounts of relatively free money since the Chinese actually charges for the things that they build, be it in money or ownership of vital infrastructure. You think that he will be able to turn to the west for free money? So there is no need for these power to try to get more influence since he’s not going any ware.
If the rebels win then the US/EU/Saudis won’t need to give money since it’s probable that by that time the radical Sunnis will have take over and after killing Shi’ites, Iranians and Hezbollah soldiers for five, or how many years it takes to win, they sure as hell won’t suddenly join the Iranian/Russian camp. Not that the Russians/Iranians will be offering any money.
>So fucking what? Europe was utterly devastated, and rebuilt in a very short time with a bit of help.
You keep saying that if Europe can do it then so can Syria without acknowledging that the circumstances that allowed for it to happen in Europe are far different than those in Syria. It’s like saying that if Nordic socialism works in Scandinavia then there should be no reason for it not to work in Mexico or Zimbabwe or China or France.
>Syria is not even close to the same level of devastation, and they're getting tons of help already, so why could they not rebuild?
Have you seen the help that they are getting? It’s not so much as money as it is in already made products like tents, medicine, food and even then the UN is saying that it’s far from sufficient.
No one is giving them a blank check to invest in their economy nor will they anytime soon.
>I keep telling you that post-war Syria will be nothing like post-war Europe
Because I need to be told this.
Europe suffered far greater devastation and bloodshed than Syria, and rebuilt in like five years.
Saying "nobody can win in Syria because it's blasted to bits" is a stupid thing to say considering the above.
Assad's gotta go. He's making the destabilization that the Amerifats started even worse. The US should give their rebels Stingers: Fuck the Sovietski.
All those European countries pretty much lost their sovereignty and empire status after the war.
But that's a little side note.
>Why would you do that?
So the conflict doesn't embroil the entire region, and you wind up with an Amerifat-style ForeverWar.
> just get cut up between Israel and Syria other neighbors?
Israel doesn't seem to be interested in any territorial expansions aside some political movements calling to annex Judea and Samaria somewhere in the far future (and equally large movements calling for complete withdraw and detachment from it).
Syria is not to stay. Tactically looking at things- one might conclude it's too much of a mess to make assumptions, but global view at inner and outer forces influencing the war point almost exclusively to Assad's eventual fall (an option even Russia considers). Combined with the ever growing consensus of rejecting the colonial enforced state structure by the people- Syria is unlikely to ever return to it's former self and will likely dissolve until eventually morphed into what ever new state entity will emerge from the regional turmoil.
What's left? Iraq? Little is left of it and is more likely than Syria to suffer the fate I described for it.
Jordan? While relatively stable for now, the situation there is complex and it's possible we'll see a similar story to Syria, but with "the rebels" having favored chances of winning and doing it fast. And it's too weak nowdays to support such expansion.
Egypt is too far, blocked by Israel and too focused on keeping their own stability to go on another adventure in the ME.
Last option is Iran, and that's interesting one due to many aspects (one of them is getting Israel worried- which always leads to all sorts of happenings). They have the will to expend their influence/power score, the military to support such move, their economy is stabilizing (thanks Obama) and their political power and influence is growing immensely (darn it Obama, just stop).
The last variable I won't even try to predict is Russia- Putin is too much even for me to delve into.
>Allowing the jihadis to take control
I said the Amerifats should give stingers to THEIR rebels, the moderates, who would then wind up the victors. Admittedly, only incrementally better, but the alternative is scorched earth.
>Jihadis: "Death to America!"
>Moderates: "Severe Illness to America!"
>the moderates, who would then wind up the victors
No, they really wouldn't.
The "moderates" have been playing second fiddle to the jihadis for years now.
A lot of the "moderate" groups are still around only because they're useful to the jihadis.
>You're either with us, or against us!
Geopolitics are a lot more complicated abroad then they are in the land of McDonalds and JEBUS!, my fat friend.
He means Mahin and yes it is a big deal. The highway being "reopened" doesn't make any difference whatsoever if IS simply closes the road at another point.
SAA is playing a never ending game of wack a mole and with their most vital supply lines.
>He means Mahin and yes it is a big deal.
Never said it wasn't a big deal.
>The highway being "reopened" doesn't make any difference whatsoever if IS simply closes the road at another point.
>I said the Amerifats should give stingers to THEIR rebels, the moderates, who would then wind up the victors
The fact that people like you exist is troubling. Do you fall down a lot?
Breaking: Jaf is advancing on Morek in northern Hama.
Reports all day have been of armor kills in the area and now rebels are pushing the outskirts.
The rebel offensive in northern Hama has not only reversed SAA gains but are now gaining into long held regime areas.
you dumb niggers IS has rumored to close the highway by Mahin which means exactly what I said. They simply closed the highway at another point.
count the numbers.
-"Secular" FSA: 40-50K (35K of which only in the south)
- Jihadis: 108K (conservative estimate)
Bullshit "secular" FSA divisions like "Division 13" get armed with TOWs from the US, and are openly supported by wahhabi Saudi Arabia.
Even though "Division 13" is pitifully small (1,800 men according to themselves), and they operate in Idlib, which is entirely dominated by the likes of Nusra and Ahrar.
FSA components like "Division 13" are obvious jihadi puppets, kept around for the TOWs, which played a pretty huge part in the conquest of Idlib by Nusra and Ahrar.
>Because I need to be told this.
Apparently you do since you keep comparing the two.
The only thing they have in common is that they both were/are getting wrecked.
>Saying "nobody can win in Syria because it's blasted to bits" is a stupid thing to say considering the above.
I never said this. My first post was that it was stupid to compare what happened in Europe and the subsequent rebuilding to what happens in Syria and it's possible rebuilding.
Breaking : anonymous source in the investigation says it looks like there was a explosion on the Russian airbus flight. I was right motherfuckers.
To recap my theory: a Jihadist smuggled a bomb on the flight. He waited until the flight leveled off. He then went to the bathroom and activated the bomb where no one would see what he was doing. Boom goes the shitter and the rest of the plane.
So what are you saying?
Syria could rebuild, but it would be different from Europe's rebuilding?
YOU DON'T FUCKING SAY
My only point was Syria COULD rebuild, a lot of countries have rebuilt from a lot worse, so it's stupid to say "nobody can win anymore".
Look at a map clown , it's the same supply route only much closer to Damascus. It's actually a worse spot to lose for the SAA because it cuts off more than Aleppo. It cuts off the entire northern half of the country.
>it's the same supply route
No it's not you fucking dumbass.
Mahin isn't even on any supply route, and it's almost on the other side of the country.
Just admit you were talking out of your ass.
map posted , do I need to break it down like I am talking to a 5 year old girl?
>One volunteer battalion doesn't mean shit you moron.
The far rights battalion are the only still battle efficient units holding the whole front together and it is like that since the beginning. Maidan ending as it does is 100% due to far right urban fighters.
>So what are you saying? Syria could rebuild, but it would be different from Europe's rebuilding? YOU DON'T FUCKING SAY
That's what I've been trying to tell you and it seems like it's finally found its way into the empty space between your ears.
Syria is not Europe. Rebuilding Syria will be different than rebuilding Europe and it sure as hell won’t be any more easy to do it.
Every place that has been wrecked by war COULD be rebuilt but that dosen't mean that they are.
Yes you are because what I was saying was all IS had to do was pick another vital supply line to cut off like a game of wack a mole.
Technically this cuts off everything , not just Aleppo. That doesn't mean Aleppo will stave but its god damn significant.
Mahin is nowhere near the supply road to Aleppo, just admit you fucked up.
Anyway back to Hama where unconfirmed and pro rebel sources are claiming to have taken the city of Morak. The SAA in Hama are in a full blown retreat if true.
This is major for the Hama rebels.
No because you are twisting my words. I was picking off where another anon was talking about it and giving my own take. How about admit the SAA is getting their shit kicked in Hama right now, if anyone is going admit anything.
>you are twisting my words
You didn't say "it's the same supply route"?
You didn't say "It's the only road that SAA supply can reach Aleppo from"?
You didn't say "IS simply closes the road at another point"?
All of these statements LITERALLY put Mahin on the supply route to Aleppo.
Which is stupid, plain and simple.
All of usual culprits from Conflict news to Markio, even a second Mig was shot down.
It started off with just armor kills than it move on to SAA deaths and rebel on the outskirts(cross reported by two major news org) and now it's Morek has been liberated.
I said they were pro rebel sources, if they are right remains to be seen but I strongly suspect they are. I use pro SAA sources the same way when the SAA is winning.
>it's the same supply route"?
It is only further down the line
>It's the only road that SAA supply can reach Aleppo from"?
From Damascus yes although granted there are many supply points inside the blockage
>IS simply closes the road at another point"?
That is exactly what they did.
So you're back to saying Mahin is on the Aleppo supply route?
>It is only further down the line
>That is exactly what they did.
Half the country down the line, on a different road.
>From Damascus yes
So you admit you were wrong.
Just admit you were wrong.
And congratulations to you sir for finally realizing that all this time I was agreeing with your statement about the possibility of rebuilding Syria whilst at the same time denouncing the idiocy of comparing the European post-war rebuilding to the one Syria has to go through.
>the only regime road leading to Aleppo
... from Damascus you mean right?
Cutting that chokepoint leaves all kinds of roads open to Aleppo, because HALF THE FUCKING COUNTRY IS ABOVE THAT CHOKEPOINT.
And that road doesn't lead to Aleppo you retard.
Mahin is nowhere near the supply road to Aleppo, sit your ass down.
You have on repeated occasions argued that if Europe could then so could Syria. All I have said that both cases are widely different and the success of the European case should not be taken as some sort of guaranteed template that Syria will be rebuilt with equal success. After which you keep saying that if Europe could then so could Syria.
>should not be taken as some sort of guaranteed template
I never said anything was guaranteed.
I just said that it's dumb to say Syria is a lost cause, since Europe for instance managed to rebuild far worse damage.
Not the guy your responding to but your points, which you keep restating, are pretty silly. Sure Syria COULD rebuild given all sorts of financial and structural support, however given its current geopolitical status, it doesn't have the support. Unless something huge changes whatever force comes out on top will not have the global support for an ultra-fast rebuilding like Europe did. So constantly restating that "Europe wuz rebuilt in liek 5 years" (which in itself is wrong) can not even be compared to the situation that Syria is in. You can't just compare levels of destruction you have to look at the regions international standing when you are talking about rebuilding after a war.
Unfortunately we're coming to a point were moderates don't exist anymore or are at least in a vast minority. It would mean that these 'moderates' would have to beat Assad and ISIS. This is not currently feasible in any sense.
Not to get /Pol with it but people were eager to rebuild West Germany and France, as the countries are stable when not at war, and folks were likely to see a return on their investments. How has the rebuilding of Iraq and Afghanistan gone, as that is a bit more akin to the situation in Syria than WW2?
>Europe was rebuilt in 5 years
Do people really think that? I understand that some people just wouldn't have a concept of the fact that Europe was rebuilt, but to know about it and think that?
Shit. Germany and Japan weren't even close to being unoccupied and they were still deporting the German colonists from the Baltic in 1950
Europe was rebuilt in a matter of years.
That means Syria can easily be rebuilt. It's certainly important enough to a great variety of stakeholders, just like Europe was after WWII.
Iraq is in no way akin to Syria.
It could be if Assad were disposed of, but even then there are too many actors in place already in Syria. Which was not the case in Iraq and Afghanistan.
>plane crash with no survivors
The Big Guy strikes again!
Europe was not rebuilt "in a matter of years" (which is a fairly ambiguous statement) sure you had lots of infrastructure being rushed through thanks to large foreign beneficiaries but complete reconstruction took far longer. Western bloc countries were faster to repair the damage from the war but Eastern bloc countries floundered for many years. You mention stakeholders, which notable stakeholders will be able revitalize Syria concurrent to your timeline? Are these sources of capital conditional upon who wins? Syria was not a financial power the way certain nations in Europe were, so what incentive is there to invest in rebuilding? Your making these broad statements that while not entirely incorrect, are far from accurate.
Because Mandick and people like him post in these threads. Much of the conversation has been positive though, many people reporting troop movements and debating Syria's future so I fail to see the problem
>That means Syria can easily be rebuilt.
Rebuilt into what?
Syria, before the rebellion was an inch from becoming a failed state, with power outages lasting half the day and problems with water and food supply.
They had no meaningful industry except the resource one, which doesn't hold all that potential in Syria in any case.
The state of the country is not just "infrastructure".
Europe was at the pinnacle of the world when it came to science and engineering (with the US closing that gap after the world). Even through the world war production was run at high capacity almost until the final stages.
Europe had the knowledge, the expertise, the personal. What was left to be done is build something and you had a functional factory. Because you had the engineers, technicians and economist to run it.
Europe had a lot to sell to the world thanks to being on the forefront of scientific advance, cars, air planes, reactors, oil industry and so much more, none of this is true for Syria.
Comparing a civil war to a war between nations is wrong in any case. Even if Russia+Iran+Assad reconquer every last piece of Syria, do you think that the Sunnis won't continue the fight?
WW2 was not a religious war, Syria is. How about you check how long religious conflicts lasted in Europe. The same is to be expected in the ME.
Your comparison is invalid on every front.
I'm not even going into the difference in culture between Europeans (especially the Europeans then) and Syrians now.
There is a reason that Syria was a 3rd world shithole and Europe before the wars was a global power and unmatched virtually in any category of human advancement.
I mean shit, they can't even produce something equivalent to T-55, a tank from the 50's.
Are you seriously comparing the European industrial capabilities even after the worst bombings to these of Syria?
While I agree that it's overblown, if there's a high rate of attrition among what passes for the officer corps of the various rebel groups, then the efficiency and effectiveness of their operations could see a decrease.