If the Vietnam war started today rather than in the 60's, how different would things be?
Depending on how quickly the US took action
Let's say our invasion is swift and decisive like Gulf War I-- solid Intel and groundwork, pretty much were ready to rock
If the conflict is over in under a month with decimated leadership and NVA dead. If we have destroyed VC leadership as well too quick before they can escape to Cambodia etc.
Then the war would be over, I would bet we may even be able to avoid insurgency if we destroy enough of the Commie government and its supporters
If we miss taking out enough leadership
Insurgency without end
Support from China
Conflict spills over into Cambodia etc
Also may actually be more difficult than Afghanistan or Iraq not because of terrain but the proximity to China who could supply new and higher quality arms and gear easier than long supply lines from shady deals stretching from Russia through the Balkans and shit-Stan countries
One of the things that made vietnam such a "dirty" and unpopular war was the unprecedented media coverage that bombarded Americans with all the horrors and shit.
Now we have 24/7 news media that'll turn that war into a second holocaust if it were to happen today.
They'd probably win the war tactically but lose culturally because the Internet/wikileaks/smartphones and cameras everywhere would expose war crimes really fast and our current news media would swell on them for fucking ever. Plus the lefties of today make the 60s hippies look like wholesome God-fearin' family types by comparison, so there'd be even more backlash from the public. It'd be the same story as every war since Korea: prolonged, expensive conflict with no clear motives other than "muh terrorism" or "muh communism" and no concrete strategy or goals to work towards; trillions in government expenditure that gets saddled on the next generation, liberal sentiments fomented by activists who would point to the war as the failure of "traditional values" (while the actual culprits, defense contractors and businessmen, get away with no flak from the press and billions in their pockets), and veterans would get treated like shit by the government and the general public.
Nothing would be different except for the camo pattern and the music.
>robot drones blasting "it ain't me" 24/7
NV would still overtake SV, if all political and social conditions were still in place.
That was the driving force since 62, was the driving force of French instability.
No amount of U.S military force (outside of outright genocide) could overcome fundamental flaws in U.S. strategic policy in Vietnam.
That was the flaw. I can not even comprehend what Vietnam would in stature would look like today, largely because of circumstances like Vietnam such circumstances are unlikely to exist.
I am drunk, and that is a factor in my argument.
please kill me, /tv/ is everywhere now
/tv/ is the most powerful memeboard on 4chan, even more powerful than /pol/ at this point.
With baneposting opening the gates for the revisiting of old films to make into memes, they have unlimited content.
See: Sheev palpantine and the resurgence of Episode 1-3 posting.
>all that rape that'd get exposed
Well hopefully with more jungle you could away with a lot more.
But if I had to choose a time to fight in Nam it would've been the 60s or earlier.
>you will never unload into VC bitch before putting her out of both your miseries
Hard time for hard people.
See the problem is this scenario would be pretty hard to put together
>This assumes SV and NV are still duking it out for decades
>Our current military doctrine, built on the lessons of conflicts like Vietnam, would look radically different
>We may be using entirely different equipment altogether since its an alternate timeline
>Due to today's media shit would probably get out of hand rapidly
But in my opinion there's just too many different things going on to have a concrete answer. Things would be too different. Probably get some sick door-gunner gopro vids though.
>Probably get some sick door-gunner gopro vids though.
>Probably get some sick door-gunner gopro vids though.
Cell phone cameras and go pros...
The war would be very heavily documented but even more so considering the horrible side effects of agent orange(now legally a pesticide used on US grown crops).
Wonderful how the internet works when you work it...
>Is it a FAMAS?
Would no longer be a meme. A great loss to /k/ommando culture.
Presuming French colonialism is extended few more decades to match the pre-game. There would be no Vietnam war.
>Reagan somewhat less likely to say "Fuck off slant eye, we have more important issues" than Wilson to a pro-West nation
>Vietnam may either become a nuclear power or be scorched depending on the French government vs citizen's stance on the value of Foreign Legion lives
That's right guys, it was all the hippies at home in the United States that lost the war.
Despite dropping more bombs than everyone in WW2 combined.
Despite half a million deployed troops.
No, it was the hippies protesting the war!
It has nothing to do with a foe determined to earn their independence from their colonizers no matter the cost.
Just like we would have never won the Revolutionary War without all those pot-smoking King's Draft dodgers holding back the might of the British Empire.
or FLIR footage of gooks attempting to hide in jungle bunkers while getting drone bombed
Also Pic rails and tactical shit everywhere, will be almost like that shitty COD black ops game
One thing that sucks though is that the music will be all shitty hip hop or pop music and not the epic classic rock from the 60's
If this is the scenario where there is no rules of engagement then shit the war would be more interesting to watch and I may even get to join up on kicking down some fucking terrorists!
But if it still has that goddamn rule of engagement well fuck that I won't join and the war would be over very quickly due to the united states pussified around in not to hurt the enemies feelings.
>war is war so treat it like a war!
I won't fail the test but I do not like to be told when I can take a shit on the enemy or not and I sure as fuck do not want any pussy bitch to go up and bark down bullshit orders on me when we are there to fucking kill the goddamn enemies!
Do away the regulations and you will all know what real war is and trust me when the day rules of engagement is gone I'M FIRST IN LINE FOR THE MILITARY FUCK YEAH!
I love how no one can really debate this. The most they can pull is lolamerifat, but it still means they actually can eat.
Oh, and a reminder that the US lost the Vietnam War when the NVA invaded Washington, publicly stormed the White House and Gerald Ford was executed. That is why the US should feel bad about it forever and we have threads like this every week.
It wouldn't be an issue of we just stayed over there longer and used more firepower on the peasents over there and ignored the liberal hippies.
Literally the only reason we lost the fucking war was because the united states stopped being the united states and became a damn (thats racist wah wah wah!)
They should have allowed me take full cobtrol of the military force but I wasn't around at that time so they got fucked hard.
Oh but you would fail the test. There's a thing about good order and discipline in the military. That's the difference between the military and a random collection of spree killers.
Warfare is about enforcing your national will. It's not about letting your psychopathic tendencies have free rein. You would be a terrible soldier in any army, because you're a psychopath.
Would modern doctrine even allow for 'Search and Destroy' over the pacification of the coastal villages?
How about you just go shove your lovey dovey hippy shit up your sons ass and go fuck your own son while your wife is off fucking someone else because your a disregarded cunt.
War is a fucking war and it has nothing to do with hurr durr be peaceful you guys it has to be fucking kill or be fucking killed.
I would be the best goddamn fuckimg marine or a sniper or a goddamn fucking gunner of the DAMN GUNNER OF THE FUCKING TANK!
But no we now got regulations and laws and all of that crap and I FUCKING HATE OUR MILITARY ON HOW PUSSY BENDING IVER IT HAS BECOME GODDAMNIT I HPPE YOU ALL FUCKING DIE!
Agent orange was a mixture of two different chemicals. One was found to be hazardous and has since been banned in this country, but not across the world. The other, if used properly is safe and has been done so for decades. This isn't something new here.
Officially /k/'s worst tripfag, taking the coveted position from DR8CO. He might be an asshole, but you're just a troll in a whole other level.
>Hiroyuki, pls ban this autist
I personally love our top 3 shitposting tripfags. They give me many lols at how ungodly retarded they are. Ever try having a decent conversation with antman? It's fucking impossible because he refuses to admit he is wrong about anything. Zed is a fucking clown, I once saw him post in a thread just so people would reply to him and eventually help the OP. Fuck dr8co though, that guy is the biggest autist of them all.
what are the Pentagon Papers and numerous investigations into the veracity of the Johnson administration since the war that all agree he was a lying sack of shit
>my own preconceived view of the event
the irony, it is too much
Not a problem. You do it quickly, in a professional manner, and move on to the next task.
The reason military organizations require good order and discipline is to make the business of war more efficient. It's already wasteful enough without a bunch of teenaged autistic psychopaths like Ant Man making it worse.
>I would be the best goddamn fuckimg marine or a sniper or a goddamn fucking gunner of the DAMN GUNNER OF THE FUCKING TANK!
Naw. You just don't have the self discipline to carry out the mission. You're a psychopath, those never do well in a military setting.
You should see if you can find work in a slaughterhouse. Some of the smaller ones might hire your kind.
If being kill happy pyschopaths who routinely brutalize civilian and military personel alike, then ISIS would be the best army in the fucking world, and we know that the only reason they still exist is because no nation with a modern, disciplined army has the will or the resources to put a stop to them.
>and we know that the only reason they still exist is because no nation with a modern, disciplined army has the will or the resources to put a stop to them.
>not because the US government is protecting ISIS
>in U.S favour
>being known as the country that went ape retarded and obliterated a meaningless country that had aspirations to be like America until America took its leash off Japan and let it rape the entire region
>in U.S favour
>more attempts to install puppet governments with random ass hardline Catholics that want to oppress all other religions
>in U.S favour
>literally the only gain is winning an argument with France on whether it's a good idea or not to crawl around in a ballsack sweaty jungle with angry people all around you
lol you are so fucking stupid, even the leader of the north vietnamese army admitted in his book that if it wasn't for the hippies freaking out with media coverage they would ahve gave up after the tet offense
Dude, well-respected military personnel have stated that at least the second "incident" was pure bullshit and the US was simply firing off at nothing but open ocean. They were also told to shut the fuck up about it and did until years later.