This ends the firearm debate.
>Home getting robbed by dindu
>I shoot my chem gun at him
>round does nothing hes been to prison
>Spits at me and shoots me with real gun
>Lying there motionless
>Takes bunch of shit
Wow so smart.
Superior sodium chloride based round.
>SALT was designed to be easy to use for everyone by replacing the bang of black powder with the power of compressed air
Because so many people use black powder firearms to defend their homes... these people clearly don't know shit about guns what a surprise
Literally why are you here if you don't like guns
I have been to jail they say that the mace and tazers will too. Saw people get fucking up with ease not even a split second of taze and one person get maced and shake their head. did nothing.
You can't even get pepper spray more powerful than commercially available hot sauces, but you think you can get a pellet gun with a magical chemical to make someone stop doing nefarious things and not just beat your ass for shooting him with a paint ball gun.
>inb4 California and the WHO labels whatever's in there as a carcinogen.
why do you want to give that innocent urban youth cancer, anon? They were just getting their lives together, going to church and being good boys
like the person is just gonna stand in the mist anyway and take a nice big inhale. If they want you they will charge you and whats to say they wont think its a real gun and use their real gun on you. GIve me a break moran.
>watch the videos on the site
>everyone in them is has thick-rimmed glasses, hipster pants, and is scrawny and pale
>even the fucking demo video is set to some kind of indie pop music so you can't hear what's going on
Try harder faggot. The human body can build a immunity to tasers, pepper spray, this hunk of dildos etc. If you doubt me look up Fleece Johnson and listen to all of the shit that goes on in prison and the countermeasures that the inmates get used to. 0/10 m8.
No, it'd be a searing indictment of the failure of the white oppressive US social safety net to provide for the sexual needs of that poor, innocent urban youth, forcing him to commit a crime he never would've otherwise.
You have to get into these peoples' heads, Anon.
>been trying for years to take my pussy hipster buddy out shooting to no avail.
>he plays nothing but violent video games and watches violent TV
I don't get it.
>tyrone kicks in my door
>its okay i have my salt gun
>shoot a round into his chest
>oh fuck he has a leather jacket on
>my salt will still burn his eyes
>Oh no, he is rolling with michael the white dude
>michael insists on safety and eye protection during their crimes
>tyrones eyes are protected behind his skii goggles
>its okay, tyrone has to breath, my salt will burn his lungs
>but michael is also very adamant about hiding their identity
>tyrone is wearing a balaclava
>the salt is not penetrating through his balaclava
>tyrone is now raping my daughters little asshole
>michael is shaking his head at me with his Hi-point pointed at my face
>"I borrowed this from tyrone"
>he shoots and kills me and they gang rape my wife
Oh yea and the paintballs frequently break in the spring loaded mag (go figure). Its a bitch to clear/clean on the field, but I imagine this would be easier if instead of colored vegetable oil was just a bunch of fucking pepper spray
>only people who will buy this are idiot hipsters and wealthy people in safe communities who would have no real need for this.
>$300 modified bb gun that fires $5 rounds
Genius. I commend these bastards for stripping idiots from their money.
Good god this thread brings back the memory of shootin the shit during lunch at work with 20yo college daddysboy. Throughly convinced a paintball gun is a perfect home defense weapon, no need for an actual firearm.
All home scenarios we grilled him about, he gave some speedball answer for.
>I shoot people in the face all the time its not that hard, if you keep hitting anyone in the face with a paintball they will give up.
This is dumb. Have you ever sprayed pepper spray or mace inside? It has an area of affect that lingers. This could back fire (excuse the expression) very easily. Better than nothing, not replacement for a firearm.
Its amazing. Just like hipsters always want to avoid responsibility, here comes a 'weapon' that allows them to do exactly that!
Why bother investing in a proper safe, securing my firearms, and teaching my children about guns when I have this piece of shit to wave around instead!
pls don't rape mah family, Tyrone.
Blackpowder is a great home defense.
You see, after you fire off your buck and ball, the resulting smoke cloud will cover your advance as you close in with your bayonet while yelling god save the queen.
This, the number of antis i've met whose argument was
>I wouldn't trust myself with a gun, who knows what I'd do with all that killing power
is incredible. Basically they're admitting that the only thing stopping them from murdering people is that they don't want to get blood on their nice shirts
funny, i was at walmart today and in the clearance aisle, there were these small balls in a package, looked just like OPs pic.
it said something like "self defense ammo- training/practice use"
now i know what theyre for- but in walmart?
Yea, the Tipx is great for mag fed games. Being able to run a remote line on to a HPA tank is a must for prolonged games.
What kind of marker setup you running op?
>mfw I looked up their ammo prices
I was thinking about buying just the salt rounds for testing and making a youtube review video
>and just using that old milsim tippmann A5 in the back of my closet instead
Can I put a stock on these or would that be asalt rifle?
>muh old tippmann
>mfw it'd cost $1000 to fill the hopper with salt rounds
How long can you leave a CO2 cartridge in a paintball pistol before it's leaked too much CO2 to be "effective"?
I'd really like to get one of those tasers that cops use but they cost more than guns. For now I'll just stick with my 9mm and my pepper spray (for when my life isn't in danger but I don't feel like playing a game of fisty-cuffs).
>use this to fend off intruder
>he sues you for whatever
Or I could just put three in his chest when he steps into my living room, shortly after I whisper "you're threatening my safety, please leave my home".
A corpse can't testify.
>Or I could just put three in his chest when he steps into my living room, shortly after I whisper "you're threatening my safety, please leave my home".
Or you could just put 3 in his chest the moment he steps on your clearly marked property with no verbal warning.
If you live in a free state, that is.
Important question /k/
>which is better for home defense?
>.45 vs .68cal
have fun being beaten or stabbed to death after your pepper balls have no effect on a motivated individual. If anything you'll probably just piss him off.
or ya know....what if the intruder just wears a painters mask and some swimming goggles? Thats exactly what would happen if this became a widespread thing. Enjoy your death.
> be burglar
> break into a fat white bitches home
> she shrieks and shoots me with a fuckin paintball gun in the thigh
> I laugh, tie her up, rape her, strangle her to death and ditch the body at the end of an abandoned road
> be burglar
> break into another fat white bitches house
> she shrieks, shoots me in the thigh with a 9mm defense round
> the bullet expanded and severed my femoral artery
> in between my agonal respirations, I call her a racist
> unconscious in 30 seconds
> dead 1 minute later
>Mace is designed to incapacitate any human being
>people develop an immunity/resistance to it.
>tasers are designed to incapacitate any human being.
>A nig on PCP/Meth can easily NOT be affected by it
>How long can you leave a CO2 cartridge in a paintball pistol before it's leaked too much CO2 to be "effective"?
asking the real questions
by the time the "sensible" home defender has to use it, it'll more than likely pissed out most of it pressure and send the ball rolling out of the barrel to the feet of the invader.
That's what he's most well known for but there's a bunch of other interviews with him where he talks about how the guards would taze him, mace him etc. and it had no effect on him whatsoever. He's a warria.
I'd trust a taser to hopefully temporarily fuck someone's CNS.
I wouldn't trust mace, I wouldn't trust pepperspray, I won't trust a blank gun, I wouldn't trust a PAINTBALL GUN, and I'm SURE AS HELL not gonna let a combination of the above (minus the fucking taser) be the last thing I bet my life on.
>Every prison needs a Fleece Johnson
Couldn't agree more m8. Maybe if every prison had a Fleece criminal scum would stop committing crimes because of the imminent ass rape that awaits them should they be convinced.
I would say this company is pretty much the definition of corporate America. I can't fault them at all. They see a "problem" (emphasis on the quotation marks.) They found a solution to said "problem" that idiots absolutely fucking love. They made some shitty ads. They'll be hailed as a progressive company and proceed to rape the wallets of the willing. Then the owners will sell off the company to the highest bidder and make millions of dollars, and possibly fund some guys own gun collection.
Meanwhile the product will fail to do anything other than provide a false sense of security and give people feelgood points.
The people you should be insulting and questioning are the people who BUY the product. Not create it. No matter what they say or how they justify themselves. They're truly in it for the money.
>Break into san fran feminist's home
>She fire's a salt round straight into my face
>Oh wait I've got a surplus gas mask to hide my face
>Laugh and splinter her teeth with a single punch
>Ensue anal rape
>Steal her money and leave.
>Break into some white dude's house
>I'm wearing a surplus gas mask to hide my face
>12 Gauge Buckshot obliterates the mask and my face
>Break into some white dude's house
>I'm wearing a surplus gas mask to hide my face
>Hear a shotgun being racked
>Hear faint giggling
>Fucking feet, why can't I move
>Homeowner sees me, raising shotgun
>Forgive me Padre, I am coming home
>Homeowner is now dying laughing
>There's wet confetti and sardines all over me
>I'm pretty sure this is semen
>Homeowner racks shotgun again
Option 2, Featuring "/k/ommando" Homeowner unit!
The goddamn producer can't even keep a straight face when he's trying to explain Fleece. Even the interviews with him where he's not talking about booty are 11/10 topest of keks material.
>buy $2 water pistol
>fill it with sulfuric acid
Already better than your worthless paintball shit
I likes ya and I wants ya. Now we can do this the easy way or we can do this the hard way. The choice is yours. BTW there's a capital one commercial with Sam Jackson that uses the easy way or hard way line. If there was ever a movie made about Fleece's life he could totally play him.
I work in a prison, and there are some people that pepper spray just doesn't work on. One of my friends just blinks her eyes a few times, and drives on, and the inmates... there are some who eat it on a daily basis. Even if it's a mix of OC and CS it might not work. CS doesn't do a damn thing to me.
Do they think the "cloud" of... wait, let me look it up...
>"SALT rounds are filled with a combination of powdered chemical agents formulated to cause temporary distress without permanent harm. Among the active ingredients is oleoresin capsicum, naturally derived from ghost peppers.
it's a fucking pepper gun....
Anyway, do they think this cloud is just going to sit there on the bad guy?
One day he's going to be at the supermarket and he's going to be in the soap aisle and someone is going to drop a box off the shelf and his instincts will kick in and the poor bastard will just hear BOOTY!!! and he will know the plight of the criminal scum that were locked up with Fleece for 30+ years.
He's most famous for being the legendary booty warrior of the Kentucky state penitentiary systems, however if you can find his other interviews he goes into equally hilarious and vivid detail about how he cost the prison millions by himself and how every single countermeasure affected him about as much as a mosquito bite does to a charging bear. Also, there's a pretty funny ass episode of Boondocks that's based on him.
Thinking of letting the customer season their various foods by violently shooting them with various seasonings.
Also the only eating utinsels will be machetes and trench knives.
(Why fill one of these pistols with salt, when some shit like cayenne would be better?)
She was quite the rig back in the day, my game was mid field.
>Double regulated with an expansion chamber
>old skool true full auto e-grip
I only played outlaw ball so always at 300fps >1st ball to last in extended bursts all at 300fps
I miss high school.
Pic from days of yore
>spot the /k/uck
Fuck it. I'm sold. I'll put $150,000 in to get that shit off the ground.
This was back when arid region cadpat had just come out.
So the video says that it's better than killing a kid with a gun accidentally since it just incapacitates the assailant.
What if the kids swallow the little explod-e-balls?
Kid is now kill
protip: just like how beanbag shotgun rounds sub 25 yards will go through a guy like a shotgun wad, ruskie rubber bullet guns will go through a person's skull at 5-10 feet and go punch out a guys back at 5 yards. The "bullet" is a Steel ball with a rubberized outer shell.
not just that, but a big part of guns is the deterrent effect. you know guns can kill, so you're less likely to mess with someone armed with a gun.
if you know the worst a gun can do is hit you with pepperballs, it makes strategic sense to rush them with melee attacks.
I'd literally rather have a little league slugger from wal mart. I can swing those little aluminum bats from wal mart fucking quick with enough force to seriously injure.
I had to get this drunk fucker out of my garage two years ago and it was all I had. He tried and failed to brandish a tiny filet knife when I told him to leave. I bludgeoned the hell out of him with it. I think I broke his arm when he shielded his neck from a swing.
The bat's only good for one beating though. It gets bent and warped af after you hit something a lot with it.
>God save the queen.
Faggot. I'd be signing the Team America theme while also riding my ford Mustang with Washington as the driver while I'm shooting the intruder with the most black, scary, assault killing AR-15 known to man.
Aka, I'd just be that of an ameriboo to the hedgehog crowd.
Link related, nigga:
Where we're you when you can't ask of sauce?
I sit at house and shitposting.
Animu gif call and say: "Can't find sauce."
I literally thought OP meant to defend from the most serious home invader, the pesky mosquito or (insert local insect from hell).
I thought it was the best thing ever.
A gun to blast insects and not damage anything too badly?
I'd buy one for every room.
You will never remove Tyrone and his entire posse with Duck's foot pistol
Why live, anon
It's only got three barrels but if Tyrone's got a small posse it could work. Imagine having to show an officer what you were CCing.
So this gives criminals a quiet and expident way to bag victims?
I mean I dont rape women or kidnap people but fuck me if that wouldnt be handy for quickly incapacitating someone. You get the intimidation factor of a gun and you can pop someone in the face with five of those without killing them if it comes down to it.
Tom and Jane Stayathome that are in a crisis when they get sweat in their eyes at the pool arent going to be shaking off any real chemical irritants.
Also this would probably be useful for making aggressive dogs fuck off. Especially in an urban setting.
>Trusting a squirt gun not to leak acid all over
>Trusting a squirt gun to not get hot as shit from having acid inside it
>Trusting a squirt gun not to melt from the acid
>Trusting a squirt gun to be made of a type of plastic capable of handling the acid
I'm a chemist and this triggered me.
>"Introducing the next bill to the house: "The ban on Salt Weapons, Federal prohibition for the production or possession and means there of of a projectile constituted of sodium based materials"
PISTOL IS MEANT TO KILL. YOU DON'T DO MATH WITH PISTOL. YOU CAN NOT INTO PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION ON PROLETARIAT WITH PISTOL. THIS IS NOT PISTOL. THIS IS SEASONING GUN TO GIVE SPICE TO KEBAB AFTER YOU REMOVE KEBAB WITH PISTOL.
>michael the white dude
>michael insists on safety and eye protection during their crimes
>but michael is also very adamant about hiding their identity
Every time I give up on you fuckers one of you shits out some gold.
Thanks alot. And here's a gif that shows how you can kill as many people as you want, still have your ideology popular, and straight up jam it.
Anyone with half a brain stem would never trade their real funs for that. That shit belongs in the kiddie section of walfart.
the only salt here is anybody who's stupid enough to trust this thing with their lives.
goddamn, people are stupid, OH MAN SO EFFECTIVE, INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY USING THE GUN, WE JUST SPRAYED A HUGE FUCKING CLOUD MADE OF LIKE 12 OF THESE THINGS IN FRONT OF HIS FACE.
I feel legitimately bad for any fool willing to buy this.
>not unloading another of the 5 remaining pistols in your brace into tyrone's general direction while screaming "Damnation seize my soul if I give you any quarters, or take any from you!"
Oh that's right you were being a nancy.
Fucking this, I'm not trusting my life to something that's easily defeated by shit from the paint aisle at Home Depot/Lowes.
>Buy painters mask and goggles
>I am become Nig, Robber Of Houses
Or you know like the not retarded option of rubbing alcohol
i don't wish that shit on any one but some liberal doctor/surgen had his home invaded the robbers tied him up raped and killed his daughters and wife. beat him up so badly he could not work as a doctor again they set the house on fire and some how he was the lone survivor he later became pro gun or some shit
ether way every home should be armed and the person should be trained well on how to use it and on how to store
>Oh cool, a non-lethal firearm.
>Doesn't kill and its self-defense weapon(NOT).
>Even Criminals can use this as well.
>Well good job designers, you made world a better(NOT) place.
What i seen this thing, a huge whole of bullsh*t.
IF Anyone is buying this thing, good luck because whats worse than intruder/criminal scum, is masked intruder/criminal scum.
I don't mock the people whose going to buy it, but it was the designers, very ridiculous.
>see potential victim wearing a long jacket and for some reason he's also wearing suspenders
>pull knife and demand he hands over his wallet while Tyrone and LaTyla look on, eagerly awaiting the next crack binge
>The fucking lunatic slips off his jacket to reveal a dozen old as fuck gats
>die amidst a cloud of black smoke and pirate cursing
Yeah, cause you know 85% of dindonuffins that were shot by police were fucking armed. 15% know police were armed and still choose to attack policemen. Your argument is invalid about simply scaring people away with guns. If you get a dindu in your house (chances are it'll be dindu), you're probably going to have to use it to stop the dindu.
This depends. Normally I would agree that carrying an unloaded sidearm is better than nothing at all because the presence of a weapon typically makes punks run or back off, but this scenario is focused on an in-home engagement scenario.
It all really just depends. Life isn't a movie, all the intruders will not be 6 feet tall and ripped to hell with tank tops and do-rags squeezing their massive muscular bodies and bald shiney heads. No, it'll likely be some skinny ass crackhead desperate for shit he can fence for a fix, and if you pull the gun on him, dazzle him with the light, and overwhelm him with violence and aggression on first contact, the night will likely end with some 17-19 year old skinny dindu on the ground sobbing with his hands on his head like
"DON'T CALL DUH FUHKIN COPS. NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH, WHY U GOTTA PLAY ME LIKE DAT?"
"Shut up, nigger."
"YOU HURTIN MAH AWM, DOG! *blubbering*
I think this may be the case of the only gun that'd be more effective if you manually fired (see: punched your attacker in the fucking face with a fistful of the rounds) it opposed to using as intended - hell, I'm convinced I could do more damage with a modded Nerf gun.
Also what happens when inevitable you drop some of the balls, they roll all over the place etc then dog, cat, curious small human etc plays with them, they get stepped on, swallowed etc. I'd trust a baby playing with a 9mm round more than one of those shitty balls
>ruskie rubber bullet guns will go through a person's skull at 5-10 feet and go punch out a guys back at 5 yards. The "bullet" is a Steel ball with a rubberized outer shell.
No, I don't believe they will. If I remember correctly the bullets are mostly rubber and the steel part is just to make it easier for doctors to locate and remove them if they do penetrate.
Why is it better to use a real gun? I don't want to be sued by some criminal. Besides, Dead men tell no tales
I like to think that entering my home uninvited is akin to signing a contract that allows me to murder you. I'm not going to mace you, I'm not going to tase you, I'm not going to bluff, I am going to use all out fucking aggression and kill you with extreme prejudice. I will send your soul into hell to herald my coming. Angels will weep. It will be a slaying of biblical proportions.
>Ctrl F "Pocket Sand"
I am disappoint.
Pepper spray does not incapacitate an attacker, it only puts you at an advantage to either escape or counter attack. Pepper spray will not stop a young adrenaline filled man with a knife from slashing about wildly until he ends your life.
Would you trust this gun to save your life if you were in a hallway or a small room? FUCK NO.
Video extremely related. Vision impairment does not pacify an attacker.
Before some retard replies and tells me that it isn't peppers spray here is an excerpt from their website.
>This is what makes SALT so special. Instead of lead, SALT rounds are filled with a combination of powdered chemical agents formulated to cause temporary distress without permanent harm. Among the active ingredients is oleoresin capsicum, naturally derived from ghost peppers.
If the metro-hipster faggot video didn't make you suspicious from the start, then the price will. It's literally $300 for one of these CO2 powered pistols that shoot pepper spray at shorter distances than most aerosol cans spray. It's a money grabbing scheme and it obviously has anti-gun implications behind it's design.
>a safe gun for a safe home
while no substitute for a fire arm i can see how a paintball might work in a pinch.
>20 balls per second at 300 fps
>straight to the face of someone without a mask
at the very least they would be blind for the rest of their lives
watch the criminals buy it and use it to rob you
Just like tazers, stun guns, mace etc. etc. etc.
All which have been proven to not incapacitate people.
you know what else clearly incapitates humans? a gun.
heres the kicker: sometimes not always. if even a fucking gun wont always stop a man, why would you choose one that is weaker?
thats what the mouth cover is for, so your hot breath goes down, not up
so, anyways, about this gun guys. how fast does it shoot. capacity, accuracy. what happens if your target is wearing a heavy jacket? can it be concealed easily. how reliable is it?
did anyone even watch the demonstration video of the effectiveness of the salt?
hes able to open his eyes within 2 seconds. he continues breathing as per normal.
im afraid someone will actually use this instead of a gun, and get killed. how can you advertise this as a man stopper when your video shows its mildly uncomfortable?
IMO the SALT gun is a pretty effective deterrent... until you fire the thing.
As long as the bad guy doesn't know it's a CO2 gun that only shoots pepper-filled paintballs you're good to go.
it works by dispersing its shit violently as well. unless your home is massive, theres a good chance youll be quite close to whomever your shooting.
youd be better off with an empty real gun. atleast he cant shoot you with your own weapon
Let's take a vote guys.
Would you rather:
1. Be shot once in the chest by the $300 SALT gun
2. Be shot once in the chest by a $70 CO2 .177 pellet pistol
You posted the wrong image OP. Let me fix that for you.
Only ever almost shot someone in America once. fucking dude was strung out as fuck and about 270 6'2...
>over one hundred pounds heavier than I.
I had just been woken up to my dog barking at him, he was walking around in peoples yards, he fucked with the neighbors trash can then knocked on my door then walked over and looked into my car. I went outside, pistol in hand. "What the fuck are you doing?" as I cholloed up towards him sideways pistol visible. He was completely unafraid of me and the gun. But unconfrontational verbally, but his body language told a different story. Had that twitch like he wanted to swing. So I maintained enough gap to where if he tried to swing he would miss. Managed to shoo him off our street without shooting him.
I wonder how fucked I would have been if I shot him.
realistically, a lot my hipster buddies are hyperactively depressed sods who fear owning a firearm would lead them down paths they'd rather not cross
release themselves from temptation but for inert reasons