Could powered armor ever be useful for anything in modern warfare, or does the trump of mobility show that something this large and cumbersome would prove to be useless on the battlefield?
power armor, in the near future, is not about making you into a walking tank. it's about letting you carry the same or slightly more gear, without worrying about all the weight. it would increase mobility, not reduce it.
Even in the Canon of Fallout Powerarmor only existed because the Run on Fossil fuels crippled mass mechanization and tank corps. Also it was used for domestic policing.
In any realistic scenario a Light Armored Vehicle or APC is infinitely superior in every way.
>inb4 something something a half ton mech suit will totally climb a set of mud stairs to git dem Hajis!
What kind of armor would you use for powered armor? Assuming cost is no issue but it has to be existing technology.
If you had about 80kg to work with what level of protection could you manage?
The best I could think of was DU/titanium alloy as first layer, ceramic 2nd layer, then a steel layer with spall liner.
Armor has the distinct disadvantage of it being always easier to innovate new ways to penetrate armor, thus negating it. Until we find a way to create a sci-fi style "energy shield" to protect against kinetic and electronic attacks, I don't think true armor will be viable.
Realistically, I think you'll see exoskeletons designed as load bearing devices, allowing soldiers to carry their typical loads (Which seem to increase steadily as we require more and more from the common infantryman) without feeling the weight.
Real life power armor will probably be the exoskeleton-style jackets like you've seen in those R&D test videos and that Edge of Tomorrow movie, not full body suits.
Relatively easy to put on and take off, doesn't detract from peripheral vision, and increases the amount of weight a soldier can carry.
>Armor has the distinct disadvantage of it being always easier to innovate new ways to penetrate armor, thus negating it. Until we find a way to create a sci-fi style "energy shield" to protect against kinetic and electronic attacks, I don't think true armor will be viable.
>Realistically, I think you'll see exoskeletons designed as load bearing devices, allowing soldiers to carry their typical loads (Which seem to increase steadily as we require more and more from the common infantryman) without feeling the weight.
yeah those sappi plates sure are obsolete; that's why we see soldiers in iraq dropping their plate carriers and kevlars.
I think the biggest change will be the ability to carry a very heavy weapon and stabilization. Imagine your rifle is suddenly .50 bmg with a 100 round mag, has a 20x variable zoom, FLIR, rangefinder and a targeting computer that compensates for bullet drop and wind. On top of all that you can aim it with one arm with no fatigue and keep it steady while jogging. All of that should be possible with current tech.
This is the future of exo armor anons, not OP's pic.
This, we'll start off with exo-suits then build our way to something greater.
Bring that floor to you.
happens in the mountains.
Power armor would fill an viable role for anti armor in urban pretty well. As well as right now your average infantry unit is incredibly over burdened with shit. Besides there's a lot of small arms it would immediately make obsolete making an shock trooper type assault very viable.
>you will never kill an enemy of your nation using your pointy head
Born too late to wear a pickelhaube, born too soon to wear spess masks.
Well with the battle of BOS and NRC, it is to say french .50 cal rifles did the trick or automatic carbines with default 5mm AP ammo nearly wiped out the western BOS. However it is not how the armor can hold up against, it is how the user inside the armor is still functional after possible battle damage and so on. That is probably why the Y-17 prototype trauma override harness existed, just so that research can develop power armor can also be recoverable with or without the soldier intact inside.
It is to say power armor is radiation resistant, without the drawback of unarmored radiation suits but for attrition reasons. Everything in Fallout world that was combustible was atomic powered, even the fission batteries that weighed more in mass than any could go nuclear but never did were miniature power rods in a way.
In the backstory for the NCR it stated that their war with the brotherhood was extremely bloody for the NCR, even though they had access to plenty of munitions.
Thinking about it makes me depressed since there's almost no chance of there being a Fallout: Tactics game set during this war. Trying to take on walking tanks with a whole company of infantry and duking it out with their regular soldiers would be cool as shit.
we have one of these threads once every week at a minimum. Fuck off, the answer is always no. Too heavy, power sources suck, and its better to use a tank.
>The best I could think of was DU/titanium alloy as first layer, ceramic 2nd layer, then a steel layer with spall liner.
Just a plate with anti-spall slightly thicker then current level 4 armor plate, and liberal amounts of kevlar inside as padding and slightly more protection. This will stop all but 50 cal AP rounds. 308 AP would hit the plate hard but there's still kevlar to catch the core. Spalling isnt an issue if the plate is molded and shit, you can have a small curve under the neck that would send stuff around the head.
You went way overboard.
Yes and yes.
Power armor would be fantastic. Good power armor would be just like your pic. It allows full rand of motion, jumping, running, sneaking, rolling, etc.
the power suit would allow you to have thick, super heavy duty armor that would require anti-vehicle weapons to penetrate, making you immune to small arms fire and with full mobility almost impossible to hit with tank guns.
not to mention that you could add in mounted, stable weaponry with huge ammo reserves all while having soldier that is barely breaking a sweat as he guns down and entire village.
now imagine a platoon of them. or better, an entire army.
now combine that with fast, heavy duty troop transports that are also armed to the teeth, further supported by tanks. that is some scary shit
I am not a gear queer. I don't even own a set of camouflage clothes. I'm stating some facts about todays standards. I don't know if we will ever have a power source good enough to cram into a personal battle suite, but it will never really work.
The reason in FO Lore IIRC for power armor was that oil was running out, so the US decided "Fuck tanks" and ran on nuclear power cores. T-45D was made as a kind of special ops guy, they were used to clear out towns and villages, and were eventually made to be standard for ALL US soldiers since they were so easy to make for them.
Considering they were up against the equivalent of '60s gooks with AK's, the design philosophy would be radically different. I'd place my money on Nuke powered tanks or liberty primes, with the main cannons firing mini-nukes.
As for other kinds of power armor; No, it's not necessary, and for the amount of R&D needed, it'd be more realistic to just research a better power source than batteries, since that would enable ~70% of sci-fi weaponry
>that metal barrel will never work!
>tanks are too slow to break the enemy lines!
>you can just knock it out with an at rifle its not worth it!
>calvary are better and will always be better!
Yes, you are that person. Congragulations you are going to be remembered for being retarded.
I sold my xbone after the MCC fiasco. Its just sad that such a good thing was turned to shit to try and compete with call of duty.
>>27798167 Its still ptretty bad. Ive played bout 5 hours includeing the whole campaign and mp and its just not fun for very long. I hate what they did to the vehicles in general and spartans movement, they used to feel heavy and meaty but still with lots of power under the hood. Now its just meh.
No I won't...
>horse are way too unruly
>how can you shoot when you are moving so fast?
>you have to feed horses, that's dumb
>making ranks with muskets is clearly better, better accuracy and killing potential
>I get to wear this hat
That's a pretty bitchin hat, I'll give you that.
Horses are dumb. Like really dumb. I'll concede this entire argument for horse genocide 2015 if you want. We must remove equine.
>Muskets are too innacurate
>they require you to train men to reload them, which is shit
>Longbows can fire three times the distance if the man is man enough to use it
>Muskets are so unreliable they put pointy sticks on it
I get to wear these sick tabards and helmets
Regardless of how the game is, the new power armor designs are on point.
I might actually be in love with the new T51
Here's hoping there is a single set of hellfire somewhere in boston
.50 cal? Lets kick it up a notch: each suit gets an 80mm mortar and augment sthe running ability of their occupant. Sort of like the kangaroo boot, where it creates an artificial and exaggerated Achilles tendon to store and release energy but with more burst power per bound? Allow troops to jog at 20mph and sprint at 30mph for hours without tiring. Shoot and scoot positions with indirect fire, or blitzkrieg them with heavy machine guns and small targets. Give a couple of them RPGs or javelins for antiarmor capabilities. It isn't about replacing tanks, it's about increasing the speed, firepower, and survivability of the basic footsoldier.
Only real thing holding us back is a power source
In fallout the US was forced to develop a small. powerful power source in response to the fuel shortage
If we ever managed that I don't see why they wouldn't strap some ballistic plates to the current exo skeletons we have, though I doubt we'd ever see anything on fallout's level
Wait for modders to fix it just like all the other shit they have fucked up over the years.
>the movement used to feel meatier
>Halo 5 has all sorts of new hard hitting built in spartan abilities that actually make you feel like your armor is a weapon and not just health regen.
Not to defend 343 because they really could have made the game do much better, but you're just so wrong.
Halo power armor is a great concept, but how exactly would the energy Shields work?
Thats the 3rd best power armor config. Best shit comes from the Institute.
Also...forgive me, but you get to do something really sweet with a dog brain.
Cerberus...the 30mm Auto Cannon.
Oh man, every moment of my time I spend when I get this game will be devoted to obtaining/crafting power armor and funs
Thats actually a huge fucking problem.
Battery technology simply hasn't kept up with advances everywhere else.
Realistically our first exo suits are going to be minimalist, take weight off the knees and impact off the feet and legs and allow soldiers to hump heavier longer.
In fact they'll probably be focused on the legs so no enhancements to the arms
Why focus on this when we already have the technology to biohack soldiers ? Bursts of adrenaline in battle and regulating the flow of it would give you a much better performance over time and less stressed out soldiers.
>The whole campaign in 5 hours
This is truly whats killing pesant stick games now. I took my time and had fun with gta v for PC, not getting into mods though. Took 26 hours and i could have done it in 16 if i tried to do it quickly. The MP in gta is trash too.
People make games now for initial sales and not for longterm players. This is why i play CS:GO. 1300 hours and im not bored yet.
If you only use it a few times it probably wouldn't hurt your organs and shit. Its like cocane. My dad was a heavy user for 5 years in the 80's and the only thing wrong with him is high blood pressure and he used to get frequent sinus headakes, which went away after changed his diet.
she's not 40k
what we need is Respirocytes. all that oxygen. all that power
I'm not talking about overclocking I am talking about regulating it better than the human body can. Much like a well programmed turbo in a car will be operating for the proper speed and engine RPM your glands could be working in response to your needs instead of just pouring it all out in one quick burst. This would actually be better and healthier in the long run.
Right now I could see functional power armor being used at this moment, but only if it's tethered with a power line that also has a coolant tube of liquid nitrogen.
>tether would feed two point one niggawatts of pure unadulterated electrical JUICE to the suit
>suit would have unlimited power to move fast and be stronk
>tether would also have a hose that would feed liquid nitrogen to the suit and power line itself so the power line doesn't melt, and the suit doesn't catch fire because all dat powah
>maybe 2 to 5 minutes battery pack, depending on what the suit is doing, just enough time for user to run or get out of the suit before he runs out of power or catches fire
Would be great for breeching/CQB. Because fuck walls, fuck floors, fuck people, fuck their weapons, fuck barricades, fuck everything.
This suit would be lean, compact, built light because very little batteries needed and motors can have a giant power/weight ratio since they're kept cool by liquid nitrogen. The only actual weight on the suit would be armor and the suit frame; the whole thing minus the user could weigh max 200lbs but have enough power to flip a fucking full size sedan over like a plastic table.
It would be burning hot, freezing cold, on a leash, and very very angry.
>center mass is almost entirely exposed
Ya thats a great peice of bodyarmor you have their, its not like every every modern army on earth dosent shoot center mass all day every day or something
>armor sturdy enough to protect you from anything but a tank shell also light enough to allow you to JUMP and run in using only your own legs and some servomotors
you're a retard I think
You mean all those perks that alienate the better half of a fan base built over the course of 8 years who chose (with their money) to play halo over other fps games? 343 has made the game marginally prettier, while destroying the gameplay in favor of a copy of call of duty realigned with sci-fi Shit.
Get out of here /v/. I came here for guns, not your bullshit.
With the capabilities of a lightweight suit that has very few limitations on power usage, I'd imagine it could have a small radar unit and an automatic evasive maneuver override command. The user might not enjoy that many instant Gs but it would probably be better than taking an RPG.
Pretty much matrix that shit.
You'd be surprised what machines can do when they're purpose built, and aren't weighed down by batteries that have to last hours or even limited by overheating. Most electric motors in power tools could take a shitton more power and have a LOT of fuck-you in them but they'd overheat and destroy themselves within seconds. If you're cooled, though, it'll take whatever the support frame can handle and that is usually a very large amount of stress compared to high-speed, high-strength movements on human scales.
So, why not take the human out. if it's already going to be THAT complex, why not have a remote driver piloting it Jaeger style. The squishy bits are just hindering what is essentially a mech at that point.
B-b-but I wanna power suit...
Apart from an emergency "move away from thing", I'm not sure we can really have a robot adequately function as well as a person. If a person is remotely piloting it, it would be hindered by controls and not have the same tactile feedback as you could if you were directly in the suit. You could make a copy of the suit in a "flight simulator-esque" pod, but you couldn't accurately convey acceleration, momentum, vibrations in the ground, the feel of picking up equipment or people, the change in balance or weight shifting around.
I think it would simply be a more nimble, fluid, fast, and useful solution with the human inside the suit. Plus, the guy has his own muscles to help the suit out if it needs that much more oomph.
DARPA has robots that navigate "rough terrain" (a few bricks in a pile) at about a tenth of the speed that a normal man could; meatbags are naturally amazing at dealing with huge amounts of extremely complex sensory input problems very rapidly, while computers are good at counting things. The suit would be simply taking the pre-existing movement information from the human body's muscle impulses and making the matching movements.
Muh liquid nitrogen line.
It would still be easy to knock out with shoulder fired weapons. Heavy armor would be good for defensive positions (think riot/swat gear where they're covered head to toe for small arms protection and mobility is not as key) where as exoskeleton systems used primarily for load bearing capabilities would be used in offensive roles, long range patrols, unmounted infantry, etc. Tanks and artillery are still, at least for now, a much better investment.
>cheeky art is serious business
>Could powered armor ever be useful for anything in modern warfare
You'll probably see it used to brutally round up and haul off unarmed peaceful citizens to work camps in your lifetime.
that's a cyborg
When his height starts with a 5
I always see you guys talking about these for basic gruntwork
What if we used them for light arty/really heavy infantry(for situations that it would work)
Loadbearing ability is increased, you can use recoil mitigation tech to do something like a small mortar on shoulder/back, you could go with rockets and just have some bulky dude in a suit of assisted armor walking around with rocketpods on his back and a laser designator
A possible scenario
>someone is hiding in a building
>steve "birthing hips" jones pulls out a laser designator and points it at the bullding
>missiles start firing to what is love
>building collapses, enemy arty on roof is now gone
Hitting a (roughly) man-sized target that is actively taking cover is a lot harder than hitting a tank.
Doing so with a muzzle-loaded weapon with a low RoF and limited magazine (3-4 rounds per person, maybe triple that with a dedicated "mule"), changes the equation just a bit.
Now, add in the C4I capabilities of powered armor--if it can haul a soldier's combat load and some armor, it can certainly haul and power some compact sensors and processors--and you've got a significant mismatch.
That's... overkill. Way too much bulk, much less weight, for a single suit.
Think about a revised OICW using LSAT tech and caseless telescoped rounds, and a grenade with 1km+ range, airburst, and maybe guidance too (as an alternative, replace the XM-25 component with a normal 40mm GL and issue a handful of those new 40mm laser-guided rockets with 2km+ range--and that's what we can build *today*).
Now, add a tri-mode hybrid scope (supposedly in development), include target recognition software, and a TrackingPoint-style ballistic computer, and the average trooper can reliably acquire and prosecute targets out past a klick, and call in fire support for anything he needs help with.
actually silican chips have a limit to how small they can go before the electrons start behaving strangely. There are some ideas on how to bypass this problem (it is approaching rapidly) like quantum computing and "atomic spin stuff" Im sure we'll figure it out
the real question is, will they ever drop these suits out of planes?
Sensors and comms are miniscule compared to the power required to support and move the soldier, gear, and armor. It's like railguns on an electric-drive ship--slowing down to 2-3kts below flank speed frees up more than enough power to run all kinds of energy weapons.
For the suit's power requirement, there's not much out there right now; it's by far the biggest obstacle. There are ultracapacitors being developed that *might* meet the military requirement for 72 hours of operation; the guys who put the liquid graphite into a DVD laser label-maker are supposedly approaching commercial production, for example. Low-temperature fuel cells are farther away, but would probably be a better solution for the battlefield, given the energy density of liquid fuels like methanol.
I think it would be best if it worked liked it did in starship troopers.
A sealed armored space-suit with jump jets that you wear for orbital jumps.
Strength enhancing so you can carry shit like man portable nukes easily.
Armor? Well you're dealing with enemies that can tear through armor so it's not really about that... but yeah it can stop conventional small arms fire.
Really it's about giving a single soldier enough heavy firepower to level a city block while staying small and mobile.
there's the REQ or whatever system now
you pre select load out cards (which you collect) that have different weapons/vehicles
getting kills or something gives you points to redeem the cards from stations on the map
that's how you get the good gear
>tfw i preordered the special edition for muh $60 pipboy
>tfw my computer needs a new graphics card to play it
>tfw it plays skyrim at 60fps with graphic improvement mods and doesn't even meet minimum requirements for NEEEEEXXXXT GEEEEEEEEEEN FO4 that uses the same engine and leeked footage makes it look exactly like skyrim
what the fuck bethesda
>the whole thing minus the user could weigh max 200lbs
look up the weight of a square meter of 1/4" thick steel; protip, an average human has about 3square meters of surface area and the suit would have a fuck ton more
in short, lrn yourself so you can fully grasp how retarded your post is.
because why not just bring along a LAV or a tank
or have this magically thing called aircraft
normal combined arms trump magic l33t oper8or alternate history faggotry like powerarmor
>Could powered armor ever be useful for anything
very useful for police officers I would think because they frequently operate alone or in pairs against presumably less well equipped civilians
just sayin :)
powered armor or stuff related would be practical in the future.
It'll be useful when it is functional enough to allow for long-duration engagements alongside regular infantry (i.e. being able to keep up with quick maneuvering and flanking,) and be capable of stopping most high-powered rounds coming their way. Maybe not a .50bmg straight on, but it should give someone a reasonable chance if they take a glancing hit.
Thing is, shortly after power armour is introduced, there will be weapons developed to defeat it. We already have it in RPGs and big-bore guns, but warfare evolution will see much more compact and CC-friendly versions.
It would be an interesting time in war.
>why don't E cups wear A cup sized bras? it'll save them money
flesh will only compress so far senpai
because modern combat is more complicated than that? its not just some game of roshambo. yeah, any goat fucker with an RPG can down a chopper or tank, but guess what? we still deploy them. either on the off chance that the same unit will be encountered or because they'll steam roll anyone not equipped with man portable rockets. same thing for PA
hell, don't forget the logistical ripples introducing power armor will create. if nation X has it then Y and Z will want it too. that means resources to acquire their own and measures to counter it. Keeping up with the Joneses has destroyed many a nation in the past
I like the Old Man's War way better:
Take old people, 75 year olds who could die any day anyways, and slot their minds into genetically augmented "perfect" (as in supermodel looks versions of themselves when young) clones of themselves with superhuman strength, endurance, chlorophyll-based photosynthesis skin pigmentation, nanomachine blood that can carry enough oxygen that you can stay underwater several minutes before it becomes hard to hold your breath, an in-brain personal computer that also acts as weapon control and safety, and natural nightvision. Then give them a bodysuit that provides little effective protection but can act as a space suit, and a rifle that can repurpose its nano-block ammo to fire the optimum round and even fire explosives and energy bursts.
meh, it was good. the manga was good too- they're both good. conveying a story within volumes of manga vs a 2-3 hour time slot. yeah, you're going have to detract from the written story to fit that time.
>because modern combat is more complicated than that? its not just some game of roshambo...
>...which is why we need powerarmor!
10/10 thought process there. why send a light armored vehicle mounting a heavy weapon or keep a helicopter idling in the region when you can just have a guy in a metal suit resistant to some rifle fire walk around at 4mph with a machinegun, then wait outside because the ceiling to muhammad's mud hut is too low.
The price of a bullet/gun capable of wrecking the armor will always be considerably lower than the price of the armor. Therefore I doubt a real power armor for combat will ever be developed.
Maybe a small exoskelet to enhance strenght or speed.
power armor isn't going to happen m8
it does everything a LAV does, only shittier.
>can't carry soldiers
>can't protect soldiers from enemy fire
>limited to human speeds
>limited ammo capacity; take a crew served weapon and place it on one guy... then scratch your head when you wonder how the fuck can he load up a fresh belt on a M2 browning by himself while holding it, or where he'd carry it if he could.
>pretty much impossible to make them RPG resistant conventionally like a LAV
shitposting about powerarmor is like shitposting about tanks with legs. The concept is inferior to mundane reality everywhere but science fiction.
>inb4 a half-2ton mech suit will be able to clear mud huts... or houses with basements... or multistory buildings.
We will get there eventually, the issues we face now are power and weight. The tech isnt quite there for either of those things.
and it's a lot easier for an 80 year old mine to turn a guy in a man sized suit of lvIV rifle plate into a fleshsack full of broken bones and pressure ruptured organs
besides, you think it'd be hard for the durkas, let alone a conventional military, to field light vehicles with ATGW systems or simple heavy machineguns to make it unsafe to operate these within an area?
Hey guys remember when all the armchair generals in WW1 insisted that tanks were useless because :
>we already have cavalry
>not reliable enough
>can be disabled by a single man with a anti-tank rifle
>can be taken out by artillery
>what if it gets stuck in no mans land
Funny how the same arguments are rehased everytime a new weapon system is discussed huh
powered armor could certainly be useful and we should develop it or bipedal drones asap. imagine being able to mount 1/2 inch ar500 literally all over your body.
mechs on the other hand? unless we are fighting on the moon, theres no way that that amount of energy consumption would be effective. whatever you have that you think belongs on a 2-4 story tall bipedal robot, you can put a larger version of it on tracks/ac130 and it can still go everywhere
Tanks weren't a shittier version of something else. In this case, "muh powerarmor" is a dogshit version of an armored vehicle.
The irony goes even deeper, since one man tankettes bearing heavy weapons were tested and developed for decades after the great war and were quite popular in the interwar years for the very reasons people think we need powerarmor, only with more utility. And we know how that panned out in the end.
Long before Fallout style powerarmor is ever developed, we'd see the return of tankettes; Most likely as drones.
Honestly an ATV sized one man/remote infantry support vehicle with a self loading anti vehicle rifle/cannon and coaxial machinegun could prove useful. It's advantages over bipedal powerarmor
>even the post WWI ones had a speed of 30+ mph and a range of 100+ miles without refueling
modern ones would be quite competent; ranges of hundreds of miles and speeds on open ground in excess of 50mph
>infantry could ride them like the ruskies "infantry armor" in a pinch
>could be fitted with conventional anti RPG measures
>shaped underbelly to keep the driver from being liquified by a IED or anti tank mine like a guy traipsing around in a suit of armor
>significant armor that easily would be resistant to heavy machinegun and light cannonfire
>much easier to develop and can use existing systems
>universal mounting points for various weapons systems
a few of those Humvee replacements full of guys being flanked by two tankettes mounting surface to air rockets and ATGMs would be a rape train of 100% American Fuck you.
As far as top brass were concerned in WWI, tanks were a support unit, which they considered covered by cavalry and long-range artillery. You guys are looking at this all wrong anyway. Power armor shouldn't be used for long-term support, they should be used as shock troopers. Plop them down in the middle of an enemy-occupied urban area and let them lay waste before anyone realizes.
>Infantryman that people need a large IED or RPG to kill
I think you are confusing powered combat armor for something like a giant robot. One hundred kilos of armor, on something the size of a man, could resist anything lighter then a 20mm cannon and would require only a dozen kilowatts of power, easily provided by a microturbine.
A 20 kilowatt microturbine and hundred kilos of armor on a 'tankett' would give you a platform with minimal capability.
no anon, no.
>drop an unsupported military asset into a active war zone full to the brim of the last 100 years of anti armor weapons
>just like Halo Bruh!
is that what passes for early modern history in public school today?
1 square meter of 1/4" steel weighs 47kg
the human body has an average surface area of 3 square meters
add a suit around a human form and the surface area that needs to be covered goes up exponentially
100kg of armor could stop non AP battle rifle rounds and nothing higher and only would cover ~1/3 of the suit
>could resist anything lighter than 20mm cannon
top fucking kek a cursory internet search to supplant your complete lack of material science background would tell you how fucking stupid that statement is.
>easily provided by a microturbine
microturbines are more efficient than gas turbines, but what you are describing is fucking laughable.
the current DARPA exoskeleton is externally tethered to a very large diesel generator. using a gas turbine 75% of the size doesn't solve it's power problem.
>all to reinvent the wheel regarding light armored vehicles cuz muh vidya
>not knowing how much resistance tanks encountered when they were first introduced from all the cavalry officers who insisted they were useless
>not knowing the exact same thing happened with carriers vs battleships in WW2
>lost a stealth helicopter
>compound strike in an ally nation where the most you'd have to worry about is akmeds poker night meaning more durkas around the estate
>the same as going all HALO ORBITAL DROP BRUV
so you put a guy in rifle proof armor and send him in as a shocktrooper... to do what?
kill da bad guys?
clear a town?
in what vidya fueled world do you think a few "shock troopers" will do what a missile strike already accomplishes handily? And barring that, how would a shittier LAV do a better job than combined arms at taking enemy positions.
use it once and suddenly the durkas when they dig into a village will start digging 3ftx3ft trenches across every roadway and using even more 14.5×114 mm anti tank rifles and heavy machineguns
>the decline of education.jpg
Cavalry Officers, who had no involvement in the implementation or development of tanks
not the militaries of every western nation who from 1903 on were attempting to build fieldable armored vehicles which were used in WWI to (some) effect by the end of the war.
ESAPI actually stops small arm fire
Battery technology is not even remotly close to being good enough.
If you keep up with robotics you will notice that any largeish robot is either on a power tether or can only run for literally about 5mins. To honestly run human power armor you are going to have to be able to output 20+ horsepower continuously (probably more than that) the batteries to do that for even a few hours would weigh hundreds of pounds and be physically bigger than the human occupant.
we are decades away from solving this problem, however when the power is there we are at or nearly at the tech levels needed to build the armor with a few years of good funding.
However once you have all that power and tech together along with the computers to go with it, why not just eliminate the human and have someone operate the robot remotely?
this is where air combat is rapidly going, there literally becomes no reason to put a human in the vehicle
Not A GUY, anon, jesus. You'd have a typical 5-8 man insertion team, except 2-4 of them would be in hardsuits. Hardsuits wouldn't be unstoppable god-machines, they'd be mostly rifle-resistant and able to use an LMG like an assault rifle. I'm not talking literal orbital drops, I'm talking helo drops, or at most HAHO/HALO jumps. Quick, dirty behind-the-scenes stuff that never gets to the public.
>the current DARPA exoskeleton is externally tethered to a very large diesel generator. using a gas turbine 75% of the size doesn't solve it's power problem.
>not knowing about the Lockheed Martin HULC that was released several years ago
>not knowing about DARPA's Warrior Web
>not knowing about Revision's Kinetic Operations Suit
>not knowing about the TALOS program
Jesus anon. Pic related is the Kinetic Operations Suit, it's powered by a turbine that runs on JP8 and can carry XSAPI rated plates (rated to stop at least 2 rounds of 7.62x51mm M993 tungsten carbide core AP ammunition, the next step up from that would be APDS full power rifle ammunition or magnum rifle AP ammunition) covering up to 60% of the soldier's body.
>why not just eliminate the human and have someone operate the robot remotely?
>what is latency
>what is jamming
Every time this gets brought up.
and how does that improve thier combat effectiveness or accomplish thier goal more efficiently to have two guys in Iron Man cosplays shooting .308 at unarmored sandniggers instead of 5.56?
why do you think a suit as comprehensive as the one you think is possible at some magic point where decades of battery improvement get sent back in time to now would be light enough or encompassing enough to bother with for the specific role you are trying to force fit it into. square peg in round hole
>a few hours of battery
>camo sprayjob of the glorified forklift leg braces we've seen promo'd for 5+ years
>bothering with all this, but giving your guy armor that isn't multi strike capable for l33t operating Halo shenanigans
a full IOTV system already defends everything but the lower arms and legs. There is a reason why all military projects regarding exoskeletons are for moving heavy shit and walking father, not supporting a fuckton of armor to be an assault trooper; because that role either is fulfilled by a LAV or normal infantry
Why do you idiots keep focusing on steel? There's better stuff on the shelf, and much better stuff in the lab that's been slowly getting closer to production for years. Think CNT-reinforced carbon composites backed by kevlar soaked in sheer-thickening fluid, for starters.
You're not trying to stop a 2"+ HEAT warhead, the idea is to use cover against those; you just want to protect against AK/RPK/VSS/etc.
so no answer as to why powerarmor provides a tactical advantage compared to normal combined arms or just airstriking the fuck out of a dug in position.
is it morning in australia or something? this thread is getting a second wind of middleschool tier shitposting
>>why not just eliminate the human and have someone operate the robot remotely?
>>what is latency
>>what is jamming
>Every time this gets brought up.
latency is solved by having the operator under 5000 miles away and using a military grade connection, not suburban dsl
50 robot troops operating together would probably be a lot more reliable than a bunch of faggot humans who need 3 guys to carry one of them out just for breaking an ankle
in point of fact just leaving and self destroying the robot would be cheaper than flying home some wounded guy who is going to claim ptsd and suckle at the goverment welfare teat for the next 50 years
the powerarmor lets the human carry more weapons and ammo for a longer period of time while not straining his body while doing so and would allow new tatics to be developed such as literally punching and smaching things while on a raid which is not good practice now as you would hurt yourself and can't really do much damage with your bare hand anyway
once it was available whole new worlds of combat would open up that are not obvious right now
because if we rely on maguffins instead of existing steel and composite armors with known penetration characteristics then this thread might as well be a /v/ circlejerk.
if we had everything necessary to make Iron Patriot suits for infantry grunts, then that'd be fucking cool and a tactical advantage, but here in the real world we don't and existing conventional technology does the role it'd fulfill better.
it all comes back to the simple fact "why do we need a bipedal mech suit"
same question that can't be answered regarding "why do we need bipedal military robots"
tracked and flying drones of a less elegant, but more efficient design>Elesium/chappie robots/mechs
Wow, you are a tremendous piece of shit. Not only did you go full NUKE THE CUBE in >>27805320, now you're calling injured troops freeloaders. Good job, bud. You just keep digging this hole deeper.
>advantages of multi billion dollar mech project
>you can punch generic middle eastern enemies instead of shooting them or buttstroking them
you have to be 18 to post here
we're actively air striking ISIS held villages as we speak. But you know better and all we need to do is HALO drop power armor troops into small villages half a world away. If only the military listened to your rich and valuable introspection on the issue of applying vidoegame tactics to real warfare.
>two people call you dumb as you shitpost
it might just be that your steaming hot opinions are not shared m8
the point being as far as cost and reliability a human body is not very fucking reliable and can be injured easily as compared to a robot "jamming" and leaving a piece of broken equipment on the battle field is cheaper than paying for the human for the rest of his life
have you ever seen the "injured" guys from iraq
literally all they do is bitch and moan about ptsd and get paid by the government forever
it's honestly sad
>>you can punch generic middle eastern enemies instead of shooting them or buttstroking them
yes anon having super strength would be of no advantage
better to be weaker to be honest
we should probably send prepubescent females to do most of the fighting
Wow, calling a wounded soldier a freeloader...
That's low man, that's low, even by 4chan standards.
Besides, how effective are robotic troops? Having a machine gun on tracks isn't going to get you very far.
EMPs and jamming could easily wipe out your 50 robos. Not to mention robots don't think like humans, nor are they adaptable.
In not talking about now, I was never talking about now. We don't know what the future of warfare holds. It will likely hold a lot of drones, but the fact is, war is partially a ritual of sacrifice, and because of that, I doubt humans will ever be completely out of the equation. At that point, you may as well compare GDP and decide a winner there and then, because it's just money you're throwing at each other.
Do you seriously not see the benefits of being able to have one soldier do the work of 5?
>In not talking about now, I was never talking about now. We don't know what the future of warfare holds. It will likely hold a lot of drones, but the fact is, war is partially a ritual of sacrifice, and because of that, I doubt humans will ever be completely out of the equation. At that point, you may as well compare GDP and decide a winner there and then, because it's just money you're throwing at each other.
both sides would not be allowed to take humans out of the equation anon
one side would use it's robots to ultimately get to the other side's humans and kill them until they as a group surrender
Instead of a bunch of little tanks, why not one super large one?
the super strength to carry full protection from smallarms and your batteries for your 15min-1hour runtime.
>Argument To The Future: Arguing that someday, evidence will be discovered to justify your conclusion.
followed up by the assertion that a man in this future "armor" that solves all the tactical and engineering issues with the concept is "doing the work of 5 men"
>Just as important: the reason we'll probably never use robots in any position where they make the kill decision is because there are rules about when it's right to not kill.
we would not dare to even begin going down that road
i don't think the internet will ever become a thing either
why not just call someone or write them a letter?
> going to go out and buy a computer i can only use to talk to other people who have computers
get real anon, it's not practical
>Argument To The Future: Arguing that someday, evidence will be discovered to justify your conclusion.
Trigger was pulled by a human. Also, wasn't /k/ in full damage control mode over the fact that the collateral was completely justifiable just a few weeks ago?
I must admit, you got me there. I did use a fallacy. I still think a smaller, more efficient, more durable army would be better than a larger, less efficient, squishy one.
Also, I should have mentioned: the design docs for TALOS want a true, sealed powered armor. It's probably not going to happen that way, but even the military thinks its an admirable goal.
if EMPs were so effective our drone aircraft would not be lurking over several sovereign nations right now with near impunity smoking faggots from the air while having basically no defense
if you can't EMP a drone flying over your country how are you going to EMP robots on your city streets?
Yes, anyone who says otherwise is either unaware of the last 10-15 years of technological advances (for example, saying that it will have to use steel for armor instead of the multi hit ceramic plates that soldiers have been using for about a decade), thinks it has to protect the soldier from everything instead of just small arms fire (these people also normally claim that large,heavy anti vehicle weapons could be deployed in large quantities and be just as effective against a soldier in power armor as an assault rifle is against current soldiers), thinks it has to fill the same roll as various armored vehicles, or any combination of those. It doesn't have to make soldiers invulnerable, it just has to be better than what soldiers currently get.
>latency is solved by having the operator under 5000 miles away and using a military grade connection, not suburban dsl
Which is why people flying current drones have to deal with a few seconds of lag? Protip: anything relying on a satellite connection is going to be laggy as fuck. If you want a low latency, reliable connection to your drone soldiers you are going to need line of sight communication and that isn't going to be cheap and will leave major points of failure.
it has to provide a tactical advantage, the one thing /v/fags like you can never offer without fallacies and the circular logic that once we build it we'll find a use because "it HAS to have a use right... right? ;_;"
IRL modern day power armor is designed to improve a soldier's mobility by reducing fatigue
FO power armor is retarded
would real power armor be useful? of course. Would FO power armor be useful? fuck no
maybe if it had some kind of drone bay or something to protect it from the air
TALOS, you can carry more gear at an equivalent speed
for now it's just the legs, but I'd bet the arms are on the way as well
Again, the load-bearing exo-legs enable less fatigue for a longer time
Experimental 7.62-rated armor plates are a part of every TALOS design.
>allowing a soldier to carry more armor, ammo, and gear
>not a tactical advantage
A soldier that has 60% of their body covered in rifle plates that can take multiple hits of anything that doesn't cost several dollars a round is a massive tactical advantage, being able to carry a significantly more ammo combined with programs to develop lighter weight ammunition like the LSAT program that and a rifle where the barrel could be easily changed out could allow any rifleman to stand in for an automatic rifleman and would be a massive tactical advantage, being able to carry the weight of an XM25 (which is going to start being issued late 2016 early 2017) + a decent amount of ammo + a rifle is a significant tactical advantage, being able to carry more ammo for heavy weapons is a significant tactical advantage. Please explain how this isn't useful.
Except we barely fucking understand the body and the complex processes the brain controls in order to prevent ourselves from accidentally fucking killing ourselves you fucking idiot.
And no, giving boosts of adrenaline is incredibly fucking bad, at best you get a fucking heart attack, at worst, it does nothing. And whats worst is that if you accidentally over dose the soldier, they fucking die and you can do nothing as their body cooks alive all the way down to the core where their heart is tearing itself apart.
Second, if the brain realizes its fucking up that bad, then its going to shut down your adrenaline glands, throwing everything to shit.
And third, a continuous stream of adrenaline is enough to kill you yet again because its a fucking hormone. If you keep releasing short bursts over prolonged periods of time, your body will further and further KILL ITSELF by releasing more hormones because your brain believes you're well beyond mortal danger, at which point you may start pushing your natural limiters that prevent your muscles and bones from fucking tearing themselves apart.
You don't overclock the body in any such way. Replacing muscle and limbs with machine? Its possible. Using nano machines to aid the body using drugs and quite far into the future, aiding the body, quite. Cloning tissue to regrow limbs far stronger than what was had before, within the next decade. Overclocking the body will destroy it like it does a computer.
the word you're looking for is "exertion"
battery tech just isn't there and it won't be for a long, long time
no, more coverage.
stop thinking /v/ m8
10+ years of war with 6000 military deaths across all services during 2 conflicts starting 2 body armor systems ago
all that shit's neat if it didn't need a diesel generator attached to it for a runtime not measured in minutes.
>all that shit's neat if it didn't need a diesel generator attached to it for a runtime not measured in minutes.
The Revision Kinetic Operator Exoskeleton runs off a small coke bottle size turbine that runs on JP8 and can't even be heard unless you're in the same room, why shouldn't that be used instead of batteries? The individual components are already here, they just need to be combined into a working system.
>have to train to properly use a bow.
>need em mass shooting to be viable
>limited about of ammo.
>slow rate of fire, when a sword can kill faster.
Plus this armor is bad ass.
Reading this post gave me an idea. An idea that filled me with incredible, almost uncromhendible horror.
In the depths. Miles beneath the pentagon, there was a top secret intelligence agency performing operations of the highest importance.
Spying on /k/.
Not to prevent mass shootings or illegal sales or modifications to firearms that would render them in violation of the law. Nay.
Research and Development.
When our reptilian overlords spew forth from the abyss, they will be riding ATV tanks from our very own nightmares!
Hell, I bet you'd say that having a crosshair appear on a soldier's HUD to tell them where they are aiming is just something in video games and isn't something that is actually being issued now.
Hell, we're issuing things now that people would bitch non stop about if they were put into video games, pic related is the same hybrid night vision/thermal monocular set to a mode where it outlines heat signatures above a certain threshold. The US military is tossing around the idea of combining it with a HUD so that soldiers can have similar capabilities during the day.
Forgot to say, this pic is a few years old and that version of the ENVG has since been replaced with one where the FLIR portion covers the entire field of vision instead of that smaller rectangle.
I see they went with the fantasy rpg method of chest protection.
I love how this thread is going full circle, from "hey guys what if?"
"actually, there's this"
"No there's not that shit doesnt work
hours of arguing back and forth
"There's actually bigger bullshit in use right now than exolegs"
>the year is 2025
>be insurgent in Durkadurkastan
>lying in wait to ambush some soldiers
>suddenly come under fire
>they spotted us first because of the advanced sensors they're now carrying
>can barely get shots off at them because all of them are laying down heavy suppressing fire
>the few shots we can get off are stopped by their armor even if they do hit
>Ahmed can't hit them with his RPG because they're inaccurate as fuck even if he is actually aiming
>they start firing air burst grenades and getting us even when we're behind cover
>get the choice of running while under fire and hoping you don't get shot or sitting behind cover and hoping they didn't see where you hid to fire a grenade at you
>just kidding, they maneuver anyways and kill or capture you if you chose to hide instead of run
this is good
I could care less about the nerd, but the expert had some great points, like having a shirt to protect the mid section. So say, if we make a Zaku into a human suit it could be ideal.
>Bolo needing support
> Hellbore ammunition consists of slivers of highly pressurized frozen deuterium which, when fired, are ignited (by a laser) in a fusion reaction. The resulting bolt is contained and directed using strong magnetic fields in the breech and barrel. The resulting plasma travels at a considerable fraction of light speed and is not affected by planetary gravity. However, since the Hellbore was designed as naval armament for Concordiat warships, modifications had to be made to avoid losing a significant portion of the shot's energy to atmospheric attenuation. To this end, a fraction of a second prior to deuterium detonation, a laser is fired along the path of the bolt to create a momentary vacuum. Later Bolo marks are capable of internally manufacturing Hellbore rounds, using water as a raw material, whereby the deuterium isotope of hydrogen is separated and cooled cryogenically into splinters of frozen hydrogen.
But, yeah, some of the later ones had tank and jet drones
Protip: Composite armors with known penetration characteristics are lighter than steel for the same level of protection.
So, why do you keep bringing up the weight of steel as a reason why an armored exoskeleton will never be practical?
Nevermind, of course, the stuff that has already been demonstrated in the lab, and is just not being mass-produced yet.
No vibranium needed.
>because if we rely on maguffins instead of existing steel and composite armors
>ceramic plates that soldiers are currently issued are maguffins
Kinda like the Supersoldaten in Wolfenstein?
>yfw that it was a suit for Peter Weller and given time and micro joints, makes sense as the first armors given to police.
If this would ever be the case in the US, I'm not sure I'd leave the house.
This. At least not until the distant future.
As it is, and as I think it will be in the near future, will be more "assistance" based than "enhancement" based. That's not a perfect way to describe it, but for example you could run longer with more weight on you with assistance type exoskeleton, but it will be a while until we have the capability to widely produce true "enhancement" type exo's.
Power armor could only really fill the roll of going where a tank cannot, like inside buildings for example. I would imagine it would excel in cqc. It would be downright terrifying indoors.
>the year is 2025
>be insurgent in Durkadurkastan
>brother draw the imperialist kufr into the target zone with their martyrdom.
>trigger the VBIED and wipe out their whole patrol
> wonder how long till rescue teams arrive so we can drop buildings on them.
> ALLAH ACKBAR, ALLAH ACKBAR, ALLAH ACKBAR, ALLAH ACKBAR, ALLAH ACKBAR, ALLAH ACKBAR, ALLAH ACKBAR, ALLAH ACKBAR!
>wasting all that money and effort to put meat inside armor
>not using the money to make robots
Men inside suits would only hinder the inherent advantages of armor and portable power sources.
>what is latency
>what is jamming
Current drone operators fly with a few seconds of latency, you aren't going to achieve low enough latency for drone soldiers with satellite communication.
Because biohacking is shit when you can just give soldiers meth.
On the flip side giving everyone meth doesn't sound like a very good idea does it?
Dude, we trounced you. It wasn't middle-school tier, and besides, the government is LITERALLY making a proto-hardsuit as we speak. Power armor is the way of the future, no matter how stupid you think it is.
"that vest can weigh up to 50lbs"
"this level 4 plate weighs 40 lbs"
"master chief's 100lbs titanium helmet"
I stopped watching after that, I can't handle that much retardation.
Ideally, yeah, most infantry roles would be filled by remote unmanned systems, but there will be some cases where humans will still need to be in dangerous areas. The point of the powered exosuits is to make those few, valuable humans more durable, stronger, and faster.
2 days up and such wonderful replies! /k/, you never fail! OP here, I say thank you!
>posting new disgusting 4 designs
>not glorious 2 enclave armor
If used well with support it could do decent
>be insurgent in Durkadurkastan
>infidels are back in Holy Land
>don't they ever learn
>new power armor suits, same infidels
>trigger Russian black market armor jamming device
>infidels freeze in place
>calmly shoot them with 50 cal anti-powersuit piercing rounds
I could see them being useful in extreme environments. Lets say outer space or a planet with no atmosphere / high radiation. If you were going to need a space suit to begin with, armor it up and add some muscle and weapons to it.
oh look another arms race. shit the haji would just give the jammer to kids to run up to the soldiers. that way they could use a contact model of armour jammer. bypassing the army's fancy counter device. then it makes all the joint flex the wrong way.
Armor jammer? Where the fuck did you come up with that? Why the fuck would a powered armor suit be remotely controllable or not EM shielded? Tanks arent "jammable" so why the fuck would powered armor be?
You watch too many movies
My biggest issue with your post is the notion that there wouldnt be any sort of safety against an exo suit's arm say, bending completely backwards
why would you even allow it to do that in the first place
>>implying it can hold a candle to American EW and counter-EW technology.
implying the shit the russians sold is not dumbed down crap they woulnt touch with a 10 foot pole. btw murican EW and its counters is nothing special. ill give you airborne EW platforms especially the growler(but then the russkies are developing a Su-34 equivalent that looks to be a beast on size alone) ,but everything else, others are better. for ex, ground based fck the airwaves its undeniably the russian krasukhas, for infantry EW kit its british.
>All these faggy futuristic 'powerarmors' itt
i am of disapointings comrade
all you really need is gas mask, bunch of plastic tubes and some metal
Yes they'd be unstoppable one man Armies did you not watch Iron man?
We just need to figure out a power source, I say we cut out all funding for welfare and spend it on funding the development of Iron man suits. No one important will starve.
>tfw you will never be a soldier wearing power-armor fighting in the cold and snowy Alaska
>talking about power source
>few millimeter thick armor that shrugs off tank rounds and missiles with zero harm to user
think you're overlooking the obvious wonderscience
We need to figure out anti-matter
Mini mecha are the future...that and some kinda super carbon.
This is the real future of PA.
Power Armor is incredibly useful, but not for door kickers. PA would be given to the squad's medics and ammo carriers who already carry a shitload of equipment. Being able to negate all that weight (and more!) gives them a direct advantage over someone that doesn't.
Footage is of Xbox version of the game. Maxed graphics Fallout gameplay hasnt been seen unless you have Fallout 4 and can run max, than you would know how wrong your statement is.
I could see it used just like armor of yore.
By richfags mowing down villagers while their yesmen squire them ammo and batteries while telling tales of heroism later at the pub.
Full circle, history is a bitch.
Power armor would literally be the metal gear to bridge between infantry and tanks. power armor would be able go into shit like buildings without having to worry about shit like tank traps and roads. power armor would be rather impervious to anything that isn't anti vehicle. You could para drop Dudes in power armor FAR easier than shit like Humvees apcs an the like. so say shitistani is hiding in mosque after realizing mosques don't ever seem to be bombed all you gotta do is para drop 10 dudes in power armor in a radius of 10 miles if not onto house/mosque due to being resistant to blunt force trauma. Assholes hiding on top of a mountain in the dark? Just drop some Power on their asses. Theirs shit you can do with power armour that you cant do with vehicles or infantry.
>the year is 2025
>be patrolling in Shitfuckgoatrapestan
>Corps issued this new armor and helmet
>Heavy as fuck, hot, a bitch for chafing and costs more than my family makes in 20 years
>Die when a sandpeople IED goes off and shreds my fancy APC with me in that expensive tin can
The more things change the more they stay the same