Whats /k/ think about DIY bunkers? Is it a decent idea? Or just a comfy grave you dug yourself?
Any simple Google search will show that those containers aren't meant to hold weight that way, they'll buckle. I'm talking about an actual concrete Bunker. I'm just curious what /k/ thinks.
I'm not that anon but do be aware that shipping containers are designed to be bio-degradable. Having your shit collapse around you because it wasn't made for that purpose is still anything but helpful. So the point of "don't use containers" still stands.
Just make one of these.
Or buy one of these.
I guess you could cement over and around it... layer by layer. Too much at once might not work.
From the side you dipshit, they buckle from having weight and pressure put on the side of them, they aren't designed to have weight all around them, just on top of them. You just say the first thing that pops into your head don't you?
but they only sit on each others corners no weight in the middle of the top. Some weldet in crossbeams it should do the job
They hold weight on the corners jackass. There's a metric shit ton more pressure that gets placed on the side panels and roof than they were designed for. They end up buckling under the pressure and caving in.
Mostly a throwback to a /diy/ meme that /k/ managed to make unfunny
The best method for an underground bunker varies by your location. If you live in a temperate zone, you need to build your foundation below the frost line. In parts of Australia, you can dig into the ground and not even need to worry about things like foundations or flooding.
Since the threat of nuclear war has sharply dropped, there's not too much of a reason to build something like in the OP pic
that's what "rusting" is getting called now?
Most steel corrodes after enough time.
That's why you paint it and seal it from the elements. It slows down corrosion.
I've seen cars from the 20's that look brand new. And cars from the 80's that are almost gone.
I understand what a normal foundation looks like. I'm saying make it a complete box, with a roof. Then build a house on it like its a slab.
No need for panic rooms or storm shelters. Your basement is a concrete bunker.
OK yeah that's doable. It's just cheaper to make it with a wood floor. If you wanted a bunker then extending the basement into an enclosed concrete room would be the best way to go.
That's Lord of the Rings level wizardry. Orcs used brand new swords that were already rusting away, the good guys used swords that were thousands of years old that were rust free and glowing... and the people that used those swords had beards.
People that drive classic cars frequently have beards, too.
Coincidence? I think not.
Build a concrete bunker basement
With an extension away from the house with an escape exit.
So if the house collapses, you aren't trapped under the rubble.
These threads always get me thinking about all the abandoned underground places I've seen or heard of.
I've got a mental list of ones that would make good shelters/bugout locals in the event of something.
The PA turnpike is a good one.
It's right down the way from my aunt and uncles house.
Container houses have many problems. Insulation and small dimensions are two. Placing an insulation on the inside, while being simple to do, would use much space. Better is to put an insulation layer on the outside. Then, somehow add a roof to shelter the container from the elements (mainly water that would produce mold on the container's flat top). By using double glass windows, you'd achieve a pretty good overall insulation.
They hold up surprisingly well on their own. In construction we use them for site offices and storage for tools and materials because they're harder to break in to than a regular shed. I have seen containers older than I am. Certainly never heard of them being built to biodegrade before.
>somehow add a roof
...You've never done much with your hands, have you?
36 inches underground is considered deep enough for a standard bomb shelter. He probably didn't build it with the intention of one day taking hostages. Most amateur bunkers aren't built to protect you from a SWAT raid.
I was beginning to think I was the only tradesman in this thread.
I have something similar rented on a farm. Theyre surprisingly easy to insulate >>27800187 and contrary to popular belief insulation takes up barely any room. You can even fit a small stove in similar to the kind you find on small boats. I mean people live in caravans this size and theyre pretty spacious and cosy.
Interior of one made into a bedsit, panelling on walls and a PVC doorframe inserted. The corrugated grooves on walls and ceilings means you can slot insulation into the grooves to bring the walls level then panel over them.
Why dig one when I can go to a damp, mostly flooded, old military bunker?
>Why aren't more homes built with concrete boxes as basements.
>Then just build a normal house on top.
Many western & central european homes have concrete basements.
The main reason not to is because your house is in an area with high ground water. I live in an area between a river & a swamp, so no basement for me.
It's a huge pain in the ass to properly waterproof underground concrete structures. In time, they do let water through, leading to dampness at best and maybe flooding.
>What is the point of making something "underground" when anything bigger than chihuahua can dig you out in like 15 minutes?
That would be plenty for a fallout shelter if you're not in a high risk area. Just store a month's worth of food & supplies. And a way to store or get rid of your piss & poop in that time.
>How would you preserve this kind of structure? It's all metal, almost, what about the effects of the weather? Can't see it very well-insulated, either.
Those tend to be short term installations. Not longer term buildings. They exist though. There's some office buildings and a hotel in London built like that. But you need to paint it frequently and be pretty vigilant maintenance-wise.
Pic: A way to work with container housing. The roof provides both protection from the rain and the sun. The wind causes a cooling effect as it flows between the outside roof & the containerhousing.
Here's some pics of a similar concept as in >>27801074
You use the containers to create cheap rooms, under a separate industrial style roofing structure.
And here's a more basic example. This would require frequent maintenance to ensure the longevity of the structure as well as plenty of insulation.
As far as containers are concerned, those are fine. It's just surface rust. It's a container's natural state. But obviously they should be treated ASAP if they're supposed to remain part of that structure for long.
As to why? Who the fuck knows. Two containers make for an easy frame to slap all the rest on probably?
>It's just surface rust. It's a container's natural state.
As a someone who moving around this shit for a living using pic related: FUCK NO
This white one is scrap metal and nothing else, unless you cut whole section where hinges are and weld at least few sq m of new sheeting.
We ship our own shit ourselves (by sea, so plenty of salt) and also use containers to built temporary structures.
I'd suspect it'd be fine with some care & no need to weld anything new to it. I've seen far worse being repurposed. But I must admit I'm not one of the workers involved in the actual repurposing of these things, so I could be wrong.
But it's hard to tell from the pic. You'd need to see it irl.
How deep can modern bunker busters go? I was wondering how an underground bunker would stand up to one, but I thought about doing it properly and actually tunneling down into the bedrock using explosives, there are plenty of underground mines that the main decline is over a kilometer deep, which is a bit overkill but it wouldn't be too hard to tunnel down to say 50-100m.
One of the best penetrators can bury itself in roughly 200 feet deep in hardened concrete.
>live in CA
>overdue for huge earthquake
>want to build bunker
>JPL says the earthquake may come in next 2 years, high probablilty
>bunker would probably just collapse and bury all my preps
>if i'm in it i'd be buried alive
>lose all my guns in a tragic bunker accident
>fucking san andreas fault
How hard would something like this be as a one man project? I'd love to build a secret hideaway on the local Crown Land where I go shooting, since it's a nice quiet spot. Might make a good bug out/SHTF shelter, and if done correctly, a kickass camping spot on the weekends. But I don't know much about building one, drainage, etc.
I want a pyramid house.