Ever want to have a good giggle? Read an Australian article on the Adler A110 and the sheer scaremongering that goes into it. The comments just seal the deal.
I hate this country, It's hell living here.
>The Turkish-made Adler A110 has some of the characteristics of a semi-automatic weapon
>Mfw for Australians,the unit of measurement to see how effective gun laws in any country are, boils down to how many mass shootings happened there.
That's all they care.
I've even heard some Australian pussies say that they would rather live in Australia than in Switzerland because of mass shootings and lax gun laws, despite Switzerland having both a lower gun homicide and overall homicide rate than Australia.
>criminal spending time to get registered and licensed for Adler ownership just to commit crimes with it
>no just picking up a sub gun from a bikie workshop
Christ I don't even live in straya and I know more about the gun crime than the antis do
This one is pretty bad as well.
Got to love the blatant lies about Cat A license holders normally being restricted to single shot guns.
>“The arrival of this weapon in Australia shows that the legislation hasn’t kept up with the changes in gun technology,” Ms Lee said.
>hasn't kept up with changse in gun technology
I don't have a picture for how studpid that sentence is.
>The former Abbott government lifted a ban on the seven-shot Adler A110 in July after striking a political deal with NSW cross-bench senator David Leyonhjelm. The ban is due to be lifted in 2016.
I got what I wanted, now I am going to go back on my end of the deal.
>This is what Aussies actually think
The comments on that second one, wew lad.
>australia is fucking cancer and should be nuked
More news at 11
But you know what's even worse? It's that gun owners try to justify themselves in front of leftards. Don't, just don't. There is no point. No amount of arguments will ever cure them of their mental illness that is leftism.
And stop justifying yourselves with the "need" to own a gun to shoot feral pigs or for sport shooting, just tell them to go fuck themselves, that it's not a need but something you want, and as a free man you'll own what you want whether those faggots like it or not.
It's completely retarded. You don't even need to go straight pull, you can have a pump-action rifle, in some states you can have it with an unlimited magazine capacity too. But you can't have a pump-action shotgun.
Even then, you technically aren't supposed to have straight-pull conversions of rifles either. If you locally built a straight-pull rifle that looked like an AR, you could have it. But you wouldn't be allowed to own a converted rifle or import a converted rifle. Basically if it EVER was semi-auto, it is forever semi-auto. It's fucking retarded.
>The gun includes an extended magazine that allows for seven shots per round.
>characteristics of a semi-automatic weapon, but is technically classified as a shotgun under national gun laws
Except for the part where it simply is a shotgun
>The arrival of this weapon in Australia shows that the legislation hasn’t kept up with the changes in gun technology
>they have most of the features of semi-automatics
Except for the defining characteristic of a semi-automatic: the semi-automatic operation.
Must be so easy to be a journalist
I like the fact I have a Ruger Charger on my Cat H license.
I can in my state of QLD put a stock on it provided it stays under the max Cat H length of 75cm.
But I cannot legally own a 10/22 because that would be too dangerous.
Shits fucking stupid.
Or revolving rifles which are legal in several states, fuck knows what the practical difference is between owning a 6 shot revolving rifle in .44 Mag or one of those semi auto Ruger Carbines in .44 Mag.
Isn't the Remington 7615 legal in Straya? Because I'm pretty sure it can fire faster than a lever action, it has more range, is more accurate and can get scary 30 rounds AR15 magazines.
I guess grabbers didn't find out yet?
Shhhh, make it our secret ;)
Yes they're legal, I walked into a gun shop last year to buy Christmas special ammo and walked out with one. Took like 10 minutes. Even got a 30 round magazine with it for free.
But I can't buy pump-shotguns because they're dangerous.
Basically we just want to keep the 7615 completely out of the picture when talking tot he antis, if there's any gun that really shits all over pump-shotgun ban it's this thing. I'm pretty sure when the 7615 came out Customs and the Police were a bit annoyed with it, but they ended up slapping a mag restriction on it in one state (QLD I think), banning it in WA and then they forgot about it. The antis thought nobody owned guns back then (like 2005) so they weren't paying as much attention as they are now.
I should have mine in a few months, normally I am fairly happy to post photos and videos on the interwebs.
Given the shitstorm that has been raised by the Adler I think I will keep it discrete.
Yes the 7615 is legal in Aus, dont tell them a rifle is more serious a firearm then a shotgun.
Most states have mag cap limits but they are fairly recent and its stupidly easy to get a standard cap mag.
>Become the face of gun control in Western civilization
>One of largest and most sudden shifts in gun laws out there
>End result is...nothing. Literally nothing changed.
>Smugtard Ausfailians still feel like they accomplished something
That media-encouraged superiority complex really does a number on the ol' noggin', eh?
They only care about mass shootings.
They could have a higher gun homicide rate for all they care, but as long as they don't have mass shootings everything is fine according to them.
Yeh they are in a total headfuck over a few terrorist shootings recently as well.
1st one was a kebab with a sawn off pump action shotgun, which as you would know from reading this thread has been banned for 20 years.
2nd was a young 17yr old kebab with a revolver, handguns in Australia have been registered and strictly regulated for around 90 odd years now.
They have been lucky more people weren't killed because when the kebab with the shotgun started shooting people he had held the people in the cafe hostage for a few hours so the Aus equivalent of SWAT were waiting outside.
The second the young kebab shotsome right outside a police station which saw an immediate armed response from the constabulary.
Funny that though, only thing that stops a kebab with a gun is a STATE AUTHORIZED USER OF LETHAL FORCE.
The mass shooting is the media equivalent of winning the lottery. A singular, isolated event that is going to be guaranteed viewer-bait, easy to emotionally exploit, rife with political implications. They're so quick to swoop down like the vultures they are that it's why some of the worst reporting seen this century has been during mass shooting events.
It's no wonder the Aussie media has made them out to be, despite how much of an outlyer they are by cold, hard fact, the solitary variable by which gun laws are measured by.
That is the scariest looking pump action firearm I have ever seen
I was reading comments recently on another useless article, and it was repeatedly pointed out that Canada and NZ have better laws but similar murder/mass shooting rates. The response was to ignore that and keep harping on "we don't want to be like the US".
>That Athinker guy getting BTFO by facts about legal guns being used in crime
>"Yeah, well in the US huradurpadooo"
>The response was to ignore that and keep harping on "we don't want to be like the US".
Getting the masses to hate liberties has to be one of the great triumphs of the Australian government.
>Ms Jabour said the weapon was durable, with the manufacturer stating in marketing material that it can fire 5000 rounds before the build-up of material in the chamber.
ruggedness makes it more deadly to the baby children how?
I like how it's clearly copy pasted engrish from some Turkish spec sheet intended to make it sound like some kind of belt fed lever action machine shotgun.
5000 ROUNDS! THAT'S A BIG NUMBER! YOU SHOULD FEEL SCARED!
>JMB is an evil time traveling Mormon wizard disseminating fully semi automatic guns to kill his enemy's children's children.
>W-we'll dig up those FALs some day and take our rights back! I swear on the crown we will!
Sure you will, Bruce. Sure you will.
Are you stupid or what? Shotguns are much more dangerous than rifles. You need to shoot someone multiple time with a rifle to kill him. With a shotgun, one shot, especially at short range, is enough to blow up the head or shredd limbs.
"The gun includes an extended magazine that allows for seven shots per round."
"This proves gun laws havent kept up with weapons technology"
Its a lever action weapon. That tech has been around since the 1800's. Lol WTF australia?
I was going to call you on your shit but I didn't read the "shotgun" part. Yes, they are retarded but as anon said,
there ARE bolt action shotguns in 2015. Absolutely disgusting.
emailed pics of the 7615 to several Australian new sites, included in email:
"High powered rifle designed to be used by American police forces against heavily armed American gang members. currently legal in Austrailia."
NSW supposedly does, you can get M95s there on a Cat B. I know mine does, but only for hunting, not for club use (there's no club large enough to use .50 BMG). I'd probably guess QLD would too but I'm not sure.
>It's that gun owners try to justify themselves in front of leftards.
Never, ever try to justify anything to a leftard.
Like arguing with any other retard, they simply drag things down to their level and beat you with experience.
The only way to argue with them is to state facts and laugh at the stupid shit they say. The two things they can't handle are hard facts and having their stupidity exposed through laughter.
Proper ARs in kiwiland go for similar money, it's not like shit will ever be as cheap as north america
vic does afaik but there's not many long-distance ranges to use them properly
also stupid expensive
I'm as pro-gun as everyone else, but you can't argue it hasn't been effective. Something like 90% of shootings have been gang/drug related. Mass shootings is definitely a relevant statistics when innocent people mostly aren't being killed
I have an MA in history with a focus on this exact time period. I was referring to the Spencer carbine. Please don't be an ass. Double guns have been around long before a failed state based on racism ever started using them.
>the video especially at 1:10, antis BTFO
once guns are banned what possible reason could there be for unbanning them
nobody has any use day to day for SCAR 17, what possible series of events could occur to legalize meme hobby weapons for autists?
other anon, the BTFO was regarding the Adler which looks to be approved.
plus if it's only 5 rounds my state allows more than that, so just get a gunsmith to lengthen dat tube.
but yes un-ban is hard. remember that we aussies can avoid IP bans on this site though, so there is a precedent ;)
Picked up my Adler the other day.
The State Police delayed the approval on the Adlers here because they had to look in to the "action type"
Fuck me this country is beyond a joke.
Don't tread on me cuz
I've got the 20" version
The action definitely hits a tight spot about halfway down on the stroke of the lever. Tbh though its not noticeable when you're operating it. In my non professional opinion I'd say that its fairly smooth.
For $700 I have no complaints. Its definitely fun.
well the best case is that it could help to push the re-legalization of pump shotguns, semi auto .22's, also things like making things like air soft, paintball and air guns in general avaliable without a license
I don't want to know what you do with your dog, m8
thanks, been considering getting the 28 inch version then grabbing a 20 inch barrel, I've heard they are the smoothest option.
have you opened it up and smoothed contact points at all?
>thanks, been considering getting the 28 inch version then grabbing a 20 inch barrel, I've heard they are the smoothest option.
>have you opened it up and smoothed contact points at all?
it's a shitty meme shotgun that people only want because it's banned, literally nobody else on earth buys lever shotguns
calm down about the smoothness
I only just fired mine today for the first time. Its brand new out of the box with nothing modified. To be completely honest when you're using it the tightness of it never hinders you. If you've got the tiniest bit of muscle on your arms you'll have no problem lol.
I played with one at my dealers who had already 2-300 rounds through it and it had loosened up considerably. I think normal wear will be enough to smoothen it up.
m8 my other options are break-open and bolt-action shotguns, what would you choose?
I'll defs admit half of my want is due to gun-grabber tears though. It's the principle of the thing
also when he reports to "the smoothest operation" he is not comparing pumps to levers, he is comparing the short and long barrel because there was a rumor that the short barrel was made differently
thanks m8, hope she treats you well for life
I hope a decent aftermarket is going to develop for them, then we can go full 7615 on them
I don't understand what you are contributing here. 2/10, here's your response
how smoooth can you make the short version?
what if it's not smooth
well you can already get the long barrels, I know a bloke who has an MOE shotgun foreend and a synth butt
I'm getting a weaver drilled into mine for a PA advanced microdot
No probs cobber
Yeah I've seen a few people showing that they've rapped the lever and I'll definitely vouch for some kind of protection for you're fingers. I was mucking around with it at home and they definitely got a little sore from operating it after a few times.
I opted for some Mechanix M-Pact gloves like a sepo cunt and they did the job quite nicely.
>I was mucking around with it at home and they definitely got a little sore from operating it after a few times.
you need to smooth up that action if racking an unloaded weapon is wearing you out anon
His looks like paint, but I could be wrong.
However I was talking to a guy from Ignition Custom Engineering in Adelaide and he said they can custom fit magpul SGA furniture to them. A mate of mine is getting his done.
Speaking of fucked aussie gun laws lets not forget revolving carbines are legal everywhere but NSW
lol whats the capacity on that?
There are still a lot of us, but a graph came out a couple of yeara ago (long gone now)saying how many guns in what post codes and i was sad when i made up like 2% of my entire post code
You know what's gonna happen, right guise? Some asshole is gonna shoot up a coffee shop or whatever with one of these and they will be banned the next day FOR EVER. You'll be lucky if all shotguns aren't banned, or at least even more restricted.
>>27808240theyre made by cz's rifle division so they should be worth it
Just get rid of those $150+ PTAs (from what I hear) and Section 26b, then maybe. WA probably has the strictest initial licencing requirements too, but that's only from what I remember from living there a few years ago.
Dead right about lots of shooting country though, lots to hunt and lots of open space.
$173 for an addition, however you can apply for as many as you want in that one form and the price stays the same. Most guys wait until they have a few to license
I'll give you 26b, that being said the current review is acknowledging that appearance-based legislation is BS
Getting your original is a bit of work, but just need the right papers which you can actually buy from most dealers (approved by the police as a service). After that renewal is cheap (~$50 a year)
When I get mine, (am on the wait list still), I'll be providing plenty of pictures on here.
.223 16" barrel, A2 flash hider, right hand charging/right hand ejection, magpul stock.
apart from the ozzie reviews video theres nothing on the old youtube as of yet.
Tbh its probably for the best.
With the hysteria over the adler could you imagine the head explosions over the WFA1 if the media found out.
Dear lord almighty
The Rossi ones are cheap yes, but they dont have a 50% loss of FPS. At least mine doesn't in .44 Mag. I do understand the .22lr suffer a bit more though.
Either way the pigs doen't seem to be able to tell the difference. Nothing better then a .44 Mag JHP tearing a big fuck hole from head to tail.
>Getting that memegun
It's heavy as fuck, the ones at SHOT Expo were literally already broken from being fingerfucked (but they still planned to sell them lel) and the owners of the company are colossal cunts.
Being able to do multiple guns on 1 form is pretty good actually. I remember the hardest thing about getting the initial licence was getting the permission to hunt on land as there's no Crown Land permits. But if dealers sell that shit then that'd be easy.
Hope 26b gets thrown the fuck out. That shit is retarded. Where I lived the police were compete cunts when it came to guns, they wouldn't approve anything. They would basically only approve a single Cat B firearm per person, it was a shitshow.
I truly hope not, the thing is I could see some filthy kebabs working out that you can still get SKSs etc if you know the right people.
Or working out that customs misses 80% of restricted imports from freedomland and just importing a couple of ARs.
People want an AR but they can't have it so they buy then next best thing they can buy. Same reason people buy semi-auto belt fed rifles. I bet if someone started making straight-pull AS-VALs a bunch of people who can't get real AS-VALs would buy them.
>damned if I known why nobody sells lever action 12ga in the US
it's a terrible action for a shotgun, if you ever shoot on you will see
literally nobody wants it anywhere on earth that any other action is legal
It's nice, that being said you have to wait about a month on average for licensing services to process it for you. I think eastern states get same day, jelly
I hope so too, then we can join the 7615 party and enjoy our unlimited capacities. That's kinda crappy though, the guys I've dealt with are super keen on guns themselves and helped me import some mags from the states
lets look at it from a different angle....maybe you were the cunt
Why is that surprising? You're getting good ergonomics and the massive range of accessories from the AR15
Couple of companies should sell 1887 clones in the US still? IAC / Chiappa / some more expensive one with fancy finishes
Yeah I think QLD it takes like 2 hours or some shit and it's done online. Here it's instant, you just hand the PTA to the copper, he prints it out and hands it back, then you go buy whatever gun you want (of same category). Doesn't even have to be the gun you wrote on the PTA.
I think you guys can have the new 7615s because they took the "police" out of the name, the legislation for WA very clearly says "7615P" which is a discontinued model. I know you can definitely get them for certain club events. It's a shame customs are super touchy on importing AR magazines so they're like $150 each for a 30 rounder.
Unfortunately. My heart aches for Aussies, being able to walk in and out of the store with almost whatever my heart desires makes us tend to forget that most of the world doesn't have 2nd amendment
Enjoy every moment and defend it too the bitter end. Because one day they will take your weapons away it is the way of things. you just hold back the tide for as long as you can.
I was at the Melbourne shot expo and with all honesty they didn't seem like cunts to me.
To be fair that was early in the day so maybe they got a little more cunty as the day went on. They were literally getting swarmed by hundreds of people at the stall. Maybe they got a little overwhelmed?
Eh, it was just a general attitude I got from them that they absolutely despised being at the expo and hated their customers.
They were full-on yelling at anybody that tried to touch the wrong gun (they had two walls set up, with no signposting, but they only let people touch the guns on one).
They said that the reason all of the safeties was broken was because of all of the shit customers playing with them over the course of the day.
They said that they were still going to ship the display guns to customers even though they were broken.
It was probably just this, desu.
They really seemed to hate being there.
>I wouldn't be so defeatist, technology is going to render gun control moot in 20 years.
i always think this
someday there will be some horrible biological or chemical weapon that is cheap and easy to make and can kill 100,000 people in the hands of some random nut
and people will view guns the way we today view bows and arrows
a novelty for people who are interested but not really a weapon to be worried about
kind of like how swords are in the usa today, nobody gives a fuck about swords but they are banned in some countries
Because if they didn't, the police union would say it could be converted to operate just like an AR. The did the same thing with the H&K SL8, the straight pull variant of the R8. Despite the fact the the only thing the two rifles share is furniture and triggers and cannot be converted to operate like the R8.
I wonder if they also knew that everyone who's ever drank the chemical dihydrogen monoxide has died, and it's also sold over the counter at gas stations and even in vending machines.
>I wonder if they also knew that everyone who's ever drank the chemical dihydrogen monoxide has died,
yeah great argument
if spree killers are executing children and someone wants to ban the weapons they commonly use you should be like "OMG WHAT ABOUT WATER"
Already a controlled substsnce. Has been since 9/11. My uncle (background: we're wogs, we own orchards) was refused service when trying to buy a 'commercial amount' because he was 'too dark' and they thought he was going to build bombs.
Still wouldn't be too hard to do, just make sure you have a valid licence (one that's not yours so they don't trace the sale back to you) and be white and you could buy enough to level anything.
>said that they were still going to ship the display guns to customers even though they were broken.
They would replace broken parts and conduct an inspection before shipping them, you fucking imbecile. You're implying they would simply take them off the shelves, wrap them up and ship them off as is. Can you imagine what would happen to their fledgling business if they would ship faulty equipment? Fuck me, you cunt. Get a clue. Stop trying to put a fuck with their reputation, they're doing a good thing for the Australian shooting community.
I am actually buying a WFA1 from them and they are performing quality checks on every gun pre shipping.
The last thing they needs is I just bought this $2700 WFA1 and it doesn't work.
God dammit I'm going to have a stroke. At least the 5 shot ones are coming in right now, and the 7 round tube modifications will be ready to be sold as soon as the 1 year ban is over in august.
American here, I own an AR-10, a pump shotgun, a semi shotgun 2 over and unders an AK and a bunch of random shit glocks etc
i would literally rather have a break action shotgun, the lever action is terrible
you guys only want this garbage because you think it's going to be banned
if they were going to ban turds i bet you would have three turds on order
Depends how you play it, but if you are starting totally unloaded, without detachable magazines and without speed loaders then a worked double gun will be quicker then a semi, pump or lever.
If you dont want to be fucking around with shells in the middle of some pigs then a repeating shotgun with a magazine is going to be a bit better.
Do you hate all lever actions or just lever shotguns?
>If you dont want to be fucking around with shells in the middle of some pigs then a repeating shotgun with a magazine is going to be a bit better.
the lever shotgun being discussed int this thread does not have a detachable magazine and would be a bitch to reload on the fly
Yes well as you would know in Aus when they banned pump shotguns and all longarm semiautos they ceased to exist in that country.
Also recent government committees have estimated there are around 30K illegally owned handguns and 200K illegally owned rifle and these are very conservative estimates. I.E fairly likely there is over a half million illegally owned rifle and possible it could be around the 1.5 million mark.
Obviously strict firearm control will result in lower firearm related homicides. If that's your measure of effectiveness then you're a fucking idiot. Is it somehow more honourable to get stabbed to death than shot by a gun?
Our homicide rate remained the same, and continued to drop at the same rate pre-ban. These pathetic gun laws don't have any effect on crime or the murder rate, they just cause arrogant bootlickers like you to feel smug. Worth the price of not being allowed the privilege of self defence, hey faggot.
I'm from Queensland and people who think like you are cancer. I bet you're a socialist too. Literal scum.
Living in Canada, I thought I was ready to read this, but I really wasn't.
It's not a bias, it's not multiple inaccuracies, it's LITERALLY every sentence. Every single sentence is either loaded or fallacious.
Truly baka desu senpai.
It doesn't but it has a 5 round magazine that is the same to load as any common semi auto or pump action shotgun.
And when I am going pig hunting I generally load the mag to capacity and carry on an empty chamber. So I will have 5 shots of 12G and 10 when I get my extended mag. So thats substantially more easy to use capability then a double gun offers.
The 1887 design shotgun would actually be one of the fastest to load and fire from an empty magazine as you can drop the shells into the chamber and feed ramp and slam the lever home. Which is easier and faster then putting them in a double gun.
>The 1887 design shotgun would actually be one of the fastest to load and fire from an empty magazine as you can drop the shells into the chamber and feed ramp and slam the lever home. Which is easier and faster then putting them in a double gun
so loading one shell at a time you have to manually handle then operate the lever is faster than doing it 2 at a time
I don't think you understand the point I am trying to make.
But with the 1887 design you can take two shells and drop them into the action and done. Which is easier and faster then lining them up into each individual chamber.
So your telling me that the gun ban didnt work? and that mass media has been lying to us all this time?
But really i wonder how well they were buried, the pvc pipes may get perished by the aussie heat or some shit
A lot of people buried their guns pre ban, I know a friend who knows someone who did this.
Usually they would just hand in a few guns so the coppers thought that's all they had when really they had more hidden.
I can't imagine many people left them buried for more then a few years.
They would have at least, once the door kickings stopped in the states that had registration and people realised that there weren't going to be any unless you opened your mouth in the States that didn't have registration.
Of course I was a kid at the time and whilst I marched with my parents in the protests against the laws I was far to young to have my own guns to hide.
>So your telling me that the gun ban didnt work? and that mass media has been lying to us all this time?
the gun ban works
burying an sks in your backyard and never telling anyone about it or taking it to a range for fear of criminal prosecution is not the same thing as new firearms being able to be sold over the counter to anyone
i guess rape and murder should not be illegal because even if they are some people will still do it
I wasnt even on solids yet when the rallies over the ditch were being keked
Sort of feels good having an sks whilst u guys fight for a lever action, it also terrifies me knowing what could happen, but that trans tasman rivalry is strong
Yeh the gun ban works in the sense that shooters will not openly buy or use a semi auto for fear of prosecution.
It doesn't work in the sense that banning them makes the go away.
Or in the sense that banning them stops those who will cause great harm with them from obtaining them.
So basically the ban is great at fucking with people who have done nothing wrong and are no risk to anyone.
They are ineffective at actually achieving an outcome on any sort of crime that has a victim.
But thats the problem if "we" ever relent one person could potentially not be persuaded and thats a loss to our side.
trying to persuade the anti isnt gonna work but the guy quietly eating his lunch in air shot my work
"Most murders in the USA are committed with legally owned guns. Fewer legal guns would equal fewer murders."
Australians are confirmed faggots
That's the mantra of gun control assholes in every country tho
What gas system? The receiver / action doesn't really have any parts in common with a real AR15 except the trigger pack maybe.
the whole thing saddens me
we could have had them in the same class as pump actions, and been happy with that, but some gun nuts decided since they wern't specifically mentioned in gun law, they were unregulated; dispensing with common sense
as a result knee jerk legislation banned them entirely for an unspecified period of time
people wanted them in the same class as single shot break action shotguns, when clearly they pose more risk
Um, no. The legislation very clearly says that shotguns that are not semi-automatic or pump-action are category A. Lever-action shotguns have been in category A since 1996. Nobody is trying to claim it's some kind of sneaky unregulated gun except for the antis who are under the impression this gun is the harbinger of doom.
And it should definitely have been in the same category as pump-action shotguns. Both should be either category A or B.
does the law ever specifically mention lever actions?
when I read it category A was just a catch all
it's one of our oldest principles of law that the INTENT of a docment comes before it's specific wording, it's why Australian law isn't nearly as full of stupid loopholes as american law
and regardless of what the law IS, what it SHOULD BE is reflective of the modern application of these firearms
we need break action shotguns for varmint removal
we need bolt actions for hunting medium and large game
but why do we need a shotgun capable of reasonably rapid fire? to kill a whole field full of rabits?
the reality the police face im rural areas is that they can be outgunned by anyone with a pump action or a semi rifle
if lever actions were a class A, our cops would need AR's to maintain the upper hand in fighting crime
lever actions share all the functional attributes of pumps, and very few of break actions, 5-8 shots, repeating fire in the ready position, could have their mags extended etc
why should they NOT be lumped in with pump actions?
>muh legislation technicality
what benefit is there to the community
Don't know why I'm responding to such a shit tier troll, but the letter of the law is very clear that all shotguns that -aren't- semi or pump are Cat A.
>and regardless of what the law IS, what it SHOULD BE
so you are putting your personal desire above the interests of the community
this is why pro-gun groups have such a hard time gaining support
on the one hand you claim shooting is "just a hobby", and on the other you say that hobby comes before public safety
if pro-gun groups could re-write laws the way they wanted, we would have America style shootings
where I am there are a lot of irresponsible gun owners, and a lot of people who want to use guns to enforce their political goals
I don't want those people armed
>why should they NOT be lumped in with pump actions?
I still maintain they should, they should all be Cat B. Cat B is already your repeating center-fire rifles, I don't see why repeating shotguns would pose so much more of a risk than they do. Repeating shotguns are handy pig guns, they work as waterfowl guns (which is what I will be doing with my Adler), you can shoot clays with them if you really wanted to I guess.
Recreational hunters just simply do need centerfires, even you seemed to agree with that. I would argue that a 5 shot pump/lever shotgun is no more dangerous than a 7-10 shot pump or lever action rifle, which is a fairly standard gun to use for hunting all sorts of shit.
If this would make you happy:
Cat A: Rimfire rifles and break action shotguns.
Cat B: Centerfire repeating rifles and repeating shotguns.
There, done. No more nonsense. You get to sleep soundly knowing the semi-autos aren't coming for your kids and I get my pump-action shotgun.
You guys know how you can tell this moron is a troll? Because this is an image-board for weapon enthusiasts who use guns as their hobby. The only "need" here is the need to enjoy.
he wouldn't be here if he really wanted guns taken away.
Either way I hope his mother dies slowly, and painfully of cancer. Or even more fitting some-one breaks into her house an anally rapes her with a legally owned category D firearm, or as he'd call it: "feral pest control"
the law contrary to popular belief, is not defined by the letters
intent- what legislators wanted to happen
procedure- the way the laws will be enforced
effect- what is likely to happen
the letter of the law can be ignored if it's clear to a judge that the law was poorly written, as to obscure the intent
by the police, if the means of enforcement are impractical
or by anyone in the system, if the law wouldn't have the desired effect
if the original legislators were thinking about lever actions when they wrote the law, they would have mentioned them specifically
our current politicians and the community share my views, hence the ban
you're implying a mutual exclusion of my desires and the interests of the community. how about the interests of the shooting community, which group are you suggesting is at a loss?
consider a lee enfield (10 shots, loaded with >clips and faster than most levers) or any pump rifle, surely those are more devastating? should we ban those as well, considering over a hundred years of existence yet we aren't slaughtering each other with them?
you haven't really put forward any arguments other that "we'll become just like amurica" despite, surprise, we actually had more lax gun laws and we weren't the homicide central you imagine the states is.
I for one hope you are baiting, if so 4/10 I replied
problem is a lot of people think like him, that's the scary part
to be honest that is a compromise I'd be happy to accept
repeating rifles and repeating shotguns arn't really that different in terms of danger to the community
as long as they arn't in category A with .22's, which is clearly wrong and something that a lot of people were pushing for
The reason for the backlash was because people were scared they'd be shifted to Category C, where they do not belong and neither do pump shotguns. We get pissed because pump-shotguns should be category B, there was no need to ban them and now these fuckers are trying to use that ban to justify this new ban.
For most people category A and B are the same anyway, hell where I live you actually cannot just have a category A licence, there literally is no box to tick for that type of licence.
Basically we were pushing for Cat A because we knew that if the category changed at all, it was likely going to shift to Cat C.
>wishing death on someone who disagrees with you
>not being able to see the reason the community takes issue with gun owners
lot of people would own guns except for the stigma attached to it
I'm pro-gun, and for Australia to become a gun owning country we need to demonstrate to the broader community that we can be trusted, at the moment I dont think we can be, and I don't want to see a premature repeal of gun laws followed by a mass shooting ruin our chances for another decade
we need to take guns away from radicals, and put them into the hands of ordinary people
we need to start treating them like they are just tools and toys, and rid ourselves of the idea that they are power-giving or symbolic of freedom
that I understand
I think we have enough of the laws that matter in regard to registration and correct storage
now if the gubment would just un-tax the damn things
I would like to see a gun-control agency that had some real teeth, to give the community confidence that the laws they have in place would be actually enforced
at the moment too many cowboys flout the law, and that scares people, I know it scares me.
if we had seasonal confiscation for non-violent breaches of the law, like shooting on private land or shooting unsafely people would have to think before they went out shooting, or risk a year without guns
some friends of mine were hospitalized for spotlighting really really unsafely, they just wern't thinking, they were lucky i was a vehicle accident instead of a firearms one
gun laws arn;t a zero sum game, if we were willing con concede to some laws, we could get what really matters to us, the lifting of stupid laws that ban things based on visual characteristics, we could get a greater selection of firearms aproved, and less cost
You sound naive as fuck
> for Australia to become a gun owning country we need to demonstrate to the broader community that we can be trusted
No, "we" don't need to demonstrate shit. The reasons guns are so difficult to obtain is not for the benefit of the "broader community" it's for the benefit of the ruling class of Australia (the rich and powerful) and their enforcers (police and military).
Where do you think their power comes from? It comes from the threat of violence. You don't conform with their idea of what you want you'll be detained, resist detention and you'll be killed. Want to fight back or actually effect changes? Good luck, you and all the other normal working people have no weapons/tools to fight back with. Do as your told or get fucked.
>at the moment I dont think we can be
Again with the we. Who is the we mate? Pretentious uni students like you, who think that their vote counts and the government acts of behalf of the people? Or maybe bogan farmers?
If "we" can't be trusted not to use our firearms to resist oppression and tyranny than maybe, just maybe that means that there is too much oppression and tyranny to begin with. After all if life was so good for Aussies, the ruling class wouldn't be so scared of revolution.
Australia would most likely not have had any more mass shootings regardless of the state of the laws.
Firearms that are consistently used in mass shootings in America and Europe are still available to licensed owners.
Specifically of course I am talking about handguns, which show up equally often with semi auto rifles in mass shootings.
Now if you can honestly believe that we haven't had a mass shooting with Cat H firearm being legal but would if we had Cat C/D legal under similar conditions then you are a total brain dead moron.
Just to shut your mouth on the handgun issue as I can see your response as being handguns don't get used in mass shootings. See Virginia Tech.
Whats even better for the point I am making is that our best proxy as a country for gun laws is NZ. Which hasn't had a mass public place shooting for even longer then Australia and still have semi autos legally available.
The law is defined by the words, I and no other lay person can be expected to have a telepathic insight into the legislators intention in the law.
Lever action shotguns were made Cat A and have been in common use since the laws changed. Also the Adler isn't banned.
I have mine sitting in my safe at home right now, right next to the 1887.
>Whats even better for the point I am making is that our best proxy as a country for gun laws is NZ
This. Everyone is quick to compare Australia to the U.S. but not to more comparable societies like NZ or Canada.
American mass shootings are more likely the result of cultural/economic differences and mishandling of mental illness rather than simply access to firearms.
>American mass shootings are more likely the result of cultural/economic differences and mishandling of mental illness rather than simply access to firearms.
People have been doing things for attention for a long time. There is a reason that everyone who does these things have a long standing history and future of mediocrity.
Because being like Achilles is hard, but being destructive is easy.
I liked this one the best.
>stop sticking your nose in other people's business
>people shouldn't own this or that
>the US should be more progressive like us
It's the little things you know?
I just wear a t-shirt and pants. this is the main reason i bought the urban carry holster because I feel that everything else would have printed