>>27802532 The rest of the P-series starts at $1015 MSRP for standard sights and $1108 for night sights, and they end up $800 and $900 respectively on the street, which means this starts at $900 as well.
>>27802784 Their older guns didn't back when they were all stamped carbon steel. When they started using milled stainless slides they made them slightly beefier, and its visible in the protrusions on the sides of the slide. For whatever reason they thought it was aesthetically pleasing to only put serrations on half of them.
Best example is that the old P228 has a slab slide. The P229 that replaced it does not.
>>27802504 Premium product attracts a premium price. They have other products in the range for customers who do not want to spend as much. Plus it is so much more expensive to make their hammer fired guns than their striker fired guns.
>>27805761 Not him, but the P224 is the most awkward-feeling and top heavy pistol I've ever handled. It just feels like a pistol that should not be. Haven't heard a bad word about function, it's just dozens of people saying it's awkward as fuck.
Not that guy, but I've read a whole lot of shit. Sucks too, I really wanted a sig. I've seen a lot of complaints about failures to feed out of the box, a couple cases of magazines that flat out didn't work, one guy had the rear sight fall out when shooting. That shit turns me off of a $500 dollar gun, the fact that it's happening on a $900 dollar gun is bullshit. I'll stick with the CZ Rami if I want a working, metal, doublstack, subcompact.
Dealer here. Dropping some leaks MAP (lowest price a dealer can sell for unless its a special holiday) is 930 for the B and 1030 for the BSS. Dealer pricing is 800ish for the B and 870ish for the BSS (assuming QTY of 1).
Both ship with 2 8 round mags >>27806024 No SKUs for it in .40 yet so looks like no. 40 cal is shit anyway >>27806026 Its 1/2 inch longer than a P239, so its borderline fullsize. Its also 1oz heavier than a p239 >>27806065 You mean the P220 Elite in 10mm?
>>27806001 Yeah I demoed a p224 and it shot great but it is incredibly awkward. The grip is super bulbous I guess is the only way to describe like a 50W light bulb or something. It has so much potential but realistically I get the same if not better by putting my p320 compact slide onto my subcompact frame
>>27806154 What? It uses proprietary magazines. SIG has had not one, but TWO single stack 9mms (the original P225 and the P239), but has decided to sell this with unique magazines. That's the definition of proprietary.
With Beretta it probably has something to do with them making guns for the military too, but I totally agree. I guess Sig was really good quality at one point but now it just seems like they're riding the brand name.
>>27806595 It's not backward compatible with old P225 mags and it's not compatible with P239 mags either. It does use the same mag body as the P239, but the magwell was too deep, so they had to add the retarded plastic spacer at the end.
>>27809837 I know right? I've seen people with new Sigs make dumb comments about the old carbon steel slides, but the overall quality of the old German made guns is head and shoulders above the new ones. My P226 is 26 years old, has had thousands of rounds down the pipe, and been carried a fair bit, but the slide rails are nearly pristine and it locks up tight as a drum. This gun will outlast me by a mile, and that's the quality Sig used to represent. Speaking of Sig shenanigans, I was about to go off on the new Legion super secret club gun bullshit, but I don't need to get totally riled up.
>>27809896 Good choice, the X series is really the only things Sig makes that are worth what they charge. Thei regularr guns are still good, but not like they used to be.
>Speaking of Sig shenanigans, I was about to go off on the new Legion super secret club gun bullshit, but I don't need to get totally riled up.
I was going to make a comment about their marketing too, but the truth is i wouldn't care what they did in that department as long as it felt like their R&D and QC were actually trying their best. I remember some interview snippet of Steve Jobs (I think) talking about how these old printer companies and IBM failed. They got complacent/cocky/greedy and put marketing people in charge in place of product people, so they were making a lot of noise and pretty packaging but the quality of their products went down and at the same time they got overtaken technologically by new competitors. You can sell Pepsi on marketing alone, but you can't do that with technology for very long. I'm scared that's what's been happening with Sig.
The Legion pistols are nice sure, but they're just regular Sigs with G10s, a Grayguns trigger package, Trijicon HD sights, and a grey finish with a ridiculous name. Trying to set hooks of brand loyalty into people with a transparent marketing strategy instead of doing naturally by having a superior product is a warning sign
>>27810752 I don't think they are built to order, it's just that production is very low. They make like twelve versions of each model, so I can't imagine that they have much manufacturing capability left for the X series due to it's high cost resulting in a limited consumer market.
TL;DR Sig makes too much stupid shit like tribal 226s to produce very many of the good expensive guns.
>>27810574 You're absolutely right. They make dozens of "limited" or "special" editions that are slight variations of the same things they have been making for decades.
Capitalism is often a race to the lowest acceptable quality. Why make it better if you don't have to? Spend some money on marketing or a ton on R&D? It's a no-brainer, but it's still disappointing.
Again I will say that new production Sigs are good guns, but they are not made to the same quality as in years past. They have too many models and sub variations of models in an attempt to have something for everyone instead oof making truly high quality products that sell themselves.
I never figured Sig would use a magazine not compatible with the original 225. That is crazy. Increased mag availability was the only thing I was looking forward to with the launch of the new 225. So much for that.
People who bag on metal framed single stack 9mm pistols are usually living the lie.
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