What is wrong with FtMs? Why would they want to have a hairy, smelly, gross manly body when they know that they could never have a dick? I mean, the dick is the only redeemable quality of a man, and they won't even have that. So what's even the point?
Whats wrong with you? Why would you want to be stupid? I mean, intelligence is the only redeemable quality of a human, and you don't even have that. So what's even the point of you?
Here we have one of the larval stages of the trans woman.
As you can see, it is so deep in self-hated about the state of its shell that it incapable even of conceiving how others could care about or just fail to detest such a form, and speaks longingly of how it wishes to be a woman.
And, too, it believes that, being a member of a species that does not naturally metamorphose, it should never do such a thing artificially, despite that artifice is in the very nature of its species! This, too, stems from its almost limitless reserves of self-hatred.
Yep. Pretty much.
I'm getting sick of all these half passing, self hating mtf's making post after post about how much they detest ftm's. I honesty think it's because we pass after like two months of T. I've passed for years and just started hormones four months ago.
Couldn't the same be said for you? Talking in circles and making zero sense. Lol this board has made me realize how delusional you lot can be. I'm glad I can be male. A lot of us aren't special snowflakes either. I blend in, no one knows I'm trans cause I'm not some six foot man in tights and a school girl outfit like most of you.
The ones who actually pass as cute twinks are great.. literally the ONLY down-side is the lack of penis. The problem is, the overwhelming majority either do look like twinks because they're pudgy dykes who *THINK* taking testosterone makes them men(even though they just look like even more mannish bulldykes) or they start going bald when they transition. If i was a FtM and i started losing my hair when i took the hormones, id prob. stop and just continue living as a woman.... but then i'm a white cis gay male, so i'm not really in the proper mindset to make that call... I already won the game of life :D
Welcome to the world of sexism, rape, and objectification that we've lived with our entire lives.
We all know that the only reason your rape numbers are higher is because you haven't lived with it your entire life, and FMT are just as scared of reporting rape as cis men.
Your experience isn't as different from a FTM as you like to think. You're experiences aren't excusable, and the mistreatment you may or may not have gone through it wrong, but it's what AFAB deal with from fucking birth. Suck it up, and start fighting back against it like the rest of us.
But they always pass and they don't have to deal with this level of discrimination. Furthermore, due to centuries of feminist activism, it is acceptable for them to do manly stuff even if they don' transition.
This is privilege.
God bless middle east where FTMs have it rough.
But I can't hate middle eastern FTMs, no, I EMPATHIZE with THEM. Their social experience is similar or even worse then western mtfs,ease of passing aside. However, I could never sympathize nor empathize with pampered western girls.
Let's all get one thing fucking clear. Sexism is, by definition, treating someone differently on the grounds of their birth sex. A trans man's birth sex is female. While a transgender person's gender is THEIRS, something that uniquely belongs to the, that only they can define. A MTF can still be a sexist. Attacking trans men because you assume that their masculinity won't allow them to admit that they're experiencing the same sexism as a cis woman is one of the worst forms of sexism, and taking estrogen doesn't make you any less of a whiny little AMAB cunt with the urge to feel superior to AFAB.
This shit needs to stop.
I've been raped for "wanting to be a man" more times than I can count, and I've developed suck a high level of post traumatic stress that I can no longer work. I've had five attempts on my life. You're an ignorant, weak little boy still trying to grasp at ANY reason to feel superior to women. Women transitioning into men might feel like a save place to take out your misogyny, but all it proves is that you don't have the mindset it takes to be a female.
You do, you ignorant little shit. So, baby had her first taste of the female experience. Only, you don't have the risk of pregnancy. You haven't been dealing with this your entire life, and therefore assume it's worse than what any other women experiences. You're a woman with the male privilege of growing up without constant objectification and risk of rape. Deal with it. You can make yourself physically female, but you can't adopt a lifetime of oppression. That's like saying a few years of intense skin bleaching erases a life-time of discrimination for a black man.
I'm a filthy mtf and I actually like ftms. It's so stupid to argue on "who has it worse" (I believe pain is objective) or to talk about "privilege". It's neither tumblr nor /pol/, you should appreciate it and just stop this nonsense.
Are you aware that "Boy's don't cry" was based on an actual, and /not/ rare case of a ftm being raped and murdered?
Or are we all still living in a fantasy world where a penis makes you a more vulnerable woman.
I think that FtMs are just girls who want to be different, look how many of them detransition-not because they don't pass, but because "that wasn't what I wanted" sort of bs.
Once they see how tough it is to live as males, they come back to their previous lifestyle.
Statistically, less ftm are treated as their preferred gender, or even as a /trans/ person after death.
I know of three murdered trans men in my home town, and none of them were acknowledged as trans after their death. The newspapers called them all lesbians.
Every since the social and legal playing field leveled with feminism women have been beating men in school, in grades, in performance, in engagement in classroom, in college attendance, in college graduation and in most high paying fields.
Turns out the main reason almost every important historical thinker was men is because women weren't allowed to think ,
>You're a woman with the male privilege of growing up without constant objectification and risk of rape
Fuck off, TERF cunt. I was raped in my teens because my rapist thought I was a sissy and thus deserving of it. You know NOTHING about what MtFs like me go through.
>mtfs don't get sexually abused as children because MALE PRIVILEGE
whew damn and here I thought I was cornered by a bully and made to suck his dick "for being such a sissy faggot" but I guess that never happened because the patriarchy was still shielding me with privilege beams.
I don't know what's worse-being raped once or being beaten on daily basis for being a "sissy".
Fuck, I ended up in hospital thrice.
I lost several teeth, not to mention wasted youth, stress, depression, etc.
That there were already movies with/about mtf, and it took so long for there to finally be a movie with a ftm character? I think that's prove that male privileged doesn't end when you put on a dress.
I love how people get so upset over other types of people, but then expect everyone else to accept them no matter what.
>"I hate X race/gender/sexuality"
>someone hates their race/gender/sexuality
>"oh my god, stop judging me! you can't hate someone because of their race/gender/sexuality! "
You all crack me up
wtf @ people thinking the fundamental experience that makes you a woman is getting raped or always being afraid of being raped
#1, believe it or not, most women do not get raped. i know, shocking. a large minority do, but even most of them only get raped once in their entire lives. it does not define who they are. only a very small minority of women are getting serially raped or under constant threat of getting raped.
i think the reason you hear so much ridiculous overhype about rape online is just because people who spend all day online are so sheltered. but go out into the world..... believe me, most of the time if not all of the time you will not be getting raped
i used to be so scared of rape but now that i have a life and spend all day in the city, i now realize that while it's always a possibility, statistically you will probably never be raped. so there are a million things in my life that i'm more worried about
plus the fact is men also face the possibility of rape, especially if they're deemed "faggots". one of my best friends recently killed himself due largely to his inability to deal with his history of being sexually abused
So, a man treated you as a weaker man, and asserted dominance.
My first three rape experiences happened before I turned 8, and I had to drop out of school to get away from a rapist that tried to convince the entire student body that he was just "correcting" me.
Life isn't magically harder for you, I'm sorry.
Mtf's hating trans men is internalized misogyny against cis women.
That may of been the most Tumblr thing I've ever said but I honestly think that's the root of the issue. That and trans men are becoming that which they hate about themselves.
i mean they probably wouldn't be raped fyi
if they did that every night over and over eventually they would be raped, sure, but like
yeah people aren't just getting raped left and right ya know
And you think I haven't? You think your experience is unique? I also never said I was raped /once/. It was a tool repeatedly used by bullies.
Have you ever been put on a psych hold for trying to kill the demon some other man planted inside of you?
Your experiences aren't any less important, but they aren't /worse/ than the same experiences in any other human being.
>You're a woman with the male privilege of growing up without constant objectification and risk of rape
We're woman growing up with the constant risk of being raped with no consequences for our aggressor.
Yet. Because discounted my experiences on line actually erases them. No matter how I respond emotionally to you, it doesn't change my life. If you're this dead set in your own delusions, there's nothing I can do to help you.
I've been raped, brutally and frequently, from a young age. That doesn't just disappear when an anonymous stranger wants to believe that they've had it so much worse.
I've already had a lifetime of strangers telling me the same thing. My parents, school, and the police. At this point, you're not going to phase me. If you're looking to play the privilege game, face reality. Trans men are just as vulnerable as you are, and women have been more vulnerable than the both of us for most of the history of our species.
I am an mtf and I do admit that I am a lot more privileged that any other woman. Maybe if I passed I'd get a little bit closer to that but it's still incomparable. The majority of rapists are straight men so the probability of a tranny or a man getting raped is a lot smaller. Also I can be a rapist myself due to my genitals - the "transbians" are just like the "you just need to try a cock" men. NO lesbian would want to sleep with a tranny, you should fucking understand it... and they're calling it "cotton ceilling"/"transphobia". Like srsly, wtf? That's called victim guilting, a practice typical to guess who... men! I'm so ashamed to be an mtf. I identify as a woman so I should be loyal to the gender I have. I have slightly more privilege, but I won't fail so low to use it. Seriously, most trannies just act like MEN.
tbh i'm a transguy, and i on/off debate hormones cuz of the balding... i need at least top surgery, but i see no point in going on hormones and staying on to go bald... like i'd do them temporarily for some changes, but fuck going bald...
i'm 5' tall, and trans i don't need male pattern baldness too...
Most trans people aren't really that bad. They just don't talk about being trans or preach about it 24/7 and just live their life. Tbh, the annoying trans people in here would be annoying if they were cis too.
nah i totally get that, i can't imagine being a transchick and going through that... that's gotta be a fucking nightmare, but i mean... i think all transpeople are desperate for some kinda relief from the negative effects of this shit it just varies...for me top surgery is more important than anything else... even if i didn't pass, i'd feel better just having that fixed
but yeah i'm sure that's awful...
Every since the whole western society have been transformed to cater mainly to women, non-women have a terrible life.
Yes, we know white privilege is codeword for femicunt privilege, what's new?
You know how youre on a porn website and like there is always that gross agp tranny who wants to be a sissy bimbo faggot for bbc or some shit.
I feel like the female equivalent are like those tumblr bitches who read too much yaoi.
They dont want to be a gross hairy manly man, they want to be a skinny effeminate hairless twink yaoi boy.
Its all a unrealistic fantasy
>recognize people's experiences are independent of my own and their suffering is just as valid as mine is
>don't feel the need to put others down to try and make myself feel better
not even gonna blame it on mtfs. one of the best transpeople I know is an mtf and she's super rad and super cute.
Holy shit,sure is tumblr in here since moot died.
>mtf claims they got raped
Men can't be raped, only women can truly experience the helplessness of rape. Men, especially white men have an innate status and privilege that disqualifies them from experiencing "rape" you may be physically violated but you were never raped.
> I don't know because it shouldn't fucking matter
That's not how it works.
>What race was that person?
>It shouldn't matter so I have no idea!
>Was it a man or a woman?
>It doesn't matter so I didn't notice!
Why the fuck do you post this thread every day? Are you some sort of autistic transbian faggot?
I'm FTM. I don't want a smelly hairy gross body. I shave, I bathe- like most men do. I don't see men as gross, smelly, hairy people.
I see men just as the same as I see women. I just don't fit in that category anymore.