the circle of life edition
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>all these cold people
>tfw sitting comfortably naked at the PC after a shower
Just realized he must have shitty views because he's legally blind.
Y-y-yah tbh. That all sounds absolutely lovely, some candlelight wouldn't hurt either...
it's not rude as long as it's just my cats who get to see
I'm sorry erin, there was just something super embarassing in there
t-thank for the water
w-we sung row row row your boat
I was just lonely :(
I don't remember having an infection
I'm sorry, I don't know my own strength... I'm sorry... I'm sorry... I'm sorry
*rocks back and forth in a corner*
titchbits just be quiet okay... sheeeesh
they probably didnt even have pizza there anyway
my only regret...
Why would anyone even buy non-scented candles. D:
I-I-I like chocolate strawberry
>Man, I don't care. You're still my bud. You think I'm to too much of a simpleton for you to come tell me this? You'll always still be my bud no matter what. And if we can still have some drinks and crack up to silly shit that's all that matters. I had a feeling you weren't gonna come down for something.So the next time you're able to come down, I would really enjoy seeing you. Just let me know one way or another.
Sheen where in Australia are you I want you on my map
so we're gonna sitting in the dark, lit by scented candles, wood fire burning, blanket, chocolate strawberry cheesecake, one spoon, holding hands. I'm down with that. wanna watch the Sean Connery dragon film and cry bitch tears?
I'm gonna need pics of the dog before I consider it.
I can only sleep naked anymore, it's so comfy but I also always have that fear of someone just coming in to my room while I'm sleeping and being mentally scarred.
>tfw you try to have as little protection from boys as possible but they still don't appear
May as well become a jihadist now, you already look the part. You could have prevented this, but you chose not to.
>tfw you intentionally don't shave because shaving triggers the hell out of your dysphoria but you eventually reach the point where your beard triggers the hell out of your dysphoria so you have to shave and then for the 12 hours your face is clean shaven and stubbleless are the happiest you will be that week
Anyone else ever start to look weird in guy clothes? All my guy clothes hang all loose on me now and don't fit and I just look and feel weird in them.
>listen to that new adele song preview for 29 seconds
>literally get thrown into a depressive mood for an hour
i am officially avoiding adele like the plague.
how is everyone else doing today?
Me neither let's do it
Soft ?? o//o
I'm okay !! I just woke up. Need to make breakfast but idno what to make.
ooo maps are cool, post pic of it tbh.
Sometimes I want a boy to come into my room while I'm sleeping..............
Maybe I should start sleeping naked
Yep, everything I wear my boobs show through and it's all baggy on me now.
nope mine still fit me just fine
even though I just threw them all out except for two t-shirts (one to turn into a top, one to sleep in because its actually really comfy) and a polo + boardies (for working on my car because I don't own overalls)
when I lose weight I hope this will hang off me like a tent
Here's the updated one. Where you at? I'll put you on it.
Sorry I meant to type Kazaam:
Its not a particularly good movie in fact its completely awful. Shaquille O'Neal plays a genie and the plot doesn't matter. It's like an hour of listening to Shaq act like a complete nerd. It's amazing.
Ummm hmm let me think. If I'm being serious... Okay, no joke, I have never seen The Notebook lol.
Yeah, A lot of guy shirts look kinda baggy and ill fit on the front now due to tit overhang, and men's jeans just feel so... straight, anymore, if that makes sense.I think that's more me getting used to how girl jeans feel.
Girl dogs are gross anon, and German Shepherds are the best, followed by Rotties. Or maybe a Tibetan Mastiff.
>This is fucking disgusting
Most fun things in life are. It's an acquired taste.
Strange times indeed anon. It's like they don't know the feeling of fresh soft sheets caressing every inch of them.
>how is everyone else doing today?
Pretty shitty. I didn't go to bed last night, got screamed at within 15 minutes of being at work, coworker tried to call out after fucking us on Friday showing up and hour late, drunk, because his room mate's stripper daughter who just got out of prison is at his house and he has pussy on his mind. And then I was treated like an asshole by my boss for not wanting to cover his shift when he's late every day and always calling out when I haven't had a sick day since June last year, and never call out or ask for days off.
At least I didn't go to jail today. I'm proud of myself.
I want a boy to come in to my room and ravage me every night, sleeping naked has not improved my luck. I hope it works better for you.
Martyrs never die.
>tfw you can't show off your butte in person without being beaten when guys find out they're staring at trannyass
>>tfw wear layers even when sweating and hot as fuck
>>tfw never presented as female in public before
Same omfg I just went to auto zone and was so fucking sweaty because 2 undershirts and a long sleeve button down to hide my boobs
Oh wow that's awesome!
I'm on the west coast, San Francisco
Some of you are alright
Don't come to Earth tomorrow
>I want a boy to come in to my room and ravage me every night
Exactly what I want but too afraid to say it
ooo good !! You just recently started HRT right?
>tfw no butt
yea butts are awesome and honestly at the gym yesterday it was such good motivation to push myself thinking about the cute butt I'm gonna have and doing lewd things with it... fuck I'm gonna be such a slut
I have never seen The Notebook either, seems like a bit heavy going, cuddles n head on shoulder sorta shit, moving onto spooning while watching, secretly crying into your hair with the dementia bits tbh
and you said you weren't lewd
I got lots of tight jeans and Daisy Dukes, but I don't really wear those out due to muh gross thighs. They're qt over leggings tho, imo.
Anytime girl <3
>tfw put all this hard work (Not that much actually, #blessedgenetics) in to my ass and never even use it for lewd
> I'm gonna be such a slut
Slut is a state of mind, and it sounds like you're already there.
Well, what size are you? I like, have to purge my wardrobe soon, so I might have pairs to give away.
This is a butt.
>I really need to take new pics
>a butt is something you stick up in the air when there's a qt behind you with his hands on your hips
This made me giggle but also horny.
What makes you think I can count?
i'd rather get jelly OFF raifu's butt
[spoiler]with my mouth[/spoiler]
you haven't had the mad sex drive increase yet? because I spent the first week crying and the second week insatiable and it kind of cycles between that.
I'm English, we stay warm by freezing to death while complaining it's not like the Winter of '79 where it took half as long to freeze to death and Jack Frost doffed his cap to you while doing it like a right gentleman.
Keep me warm.
>tfw boob pain in new places spreading out from the immediate nipple area, suggesting more growth maybe
Wait you live in Seattle? You near down town? I was looking into moving to Capitol Hill area. How safe is the area like do people mock you for being trans on the street?
Please lets talk about it some more.
Where I tread I leave destruction, physical and emotional, in my wake. I regret nothing.
I'm still trying to figure out which of these volleyball girls that anon felt my ass resembled. Cause I wish I had 12's body.
Why would there be jelly on my butt? What kind of jelly are we talking here?
Your girl name (Or lack thereof) doesn't really affect having a trip, you know. It's not like my girl name is actually Raifu. You can go by anything.
Practice, young apprentice.
i just realized i look exactly like kiwi
somebody kill me
>I always kept my trip on
sure you do
>tfw want Caddy, Kayla and Aife on skype
>tfw all these USA girls remind me of my strained LDR with my butch airforce babe fiancee when i was a teen after she moved back to the USA for basic training
>tfw not American
>tfw work tomorrow morning so have to go to bed just as the Americans get their shitposts on
end it now
Seattle is pretty awesome for trans people. Especially capitol hill. walking around that area, 80% of people are obviously gay, dyke, or trans. most bars and clubs and restaurants have rainbow flags out front, and are transfriendly. there's even a large thrift store dedicated to trans people.
I don't live in downtown, I live a little bit to the north. but I hang out in Cap Hill fairly often, despite the 30 min bus ride.
Seattle's really nice.
uhh what does blacked out even mean? like there are a lot of black people? that can't be further from the truth. Seattle is one of the most *whitest* cities I've ever been in.
capitol hill is a nice place to live if you're LGBT, I'm sure of it. haven't felt any danger at all there, its a pretty busy neighborhood so there's usually people walking about at all hours.
R-rude anon ; __ ;
what butt lolo
but yeah idk they're pretty cheap and cute hope you find some you like
I'm so sorry for cancer group chat btw
Nope! usually just wear andro clothes and my butts kinda fem I guess idk
I go out in just panties tbh who needs pants
My sex drive is deader than dead which I'm super happy about tbh Im sure it will come back eventually. I'm just not a very sexual person I guess? I think the biggest problem is a pretty common one around here, my body disgusted me -__-
Admittedly, I've had a lot of it in the past but I wasn't trying/looking. Biologically it makes semse you get a flush of dopamine so it was better than being bored. Otherwise it's always been whatever to me.
>The kingdom of England, Scotland, and Wales
You guys have so much humidity on your isle. It's ultra dry where I live and snows a ton. I worked in the mountains for years so I'm used to sliding on ice, trudging through 5 feet of snow, and feeling out the crust of snow banks. I dunno I love winter ^__^. I'm pretty cold body heat wise so you'd have to keep me warm. I wear a lot of layers to stay insulated so I tend to retain heat.
>My nips are pierced so I think they aren't hurting as much as a normal person. They're sensitive in different ways tho~
isn't the whole point to introduce yourself as a girl so people don't remember you as a guy
that's literally the reason i'm transitioning, so new people see me as a girl and i can develop from there
anyway i get a rhinoplasty in december so i guess i'd hop on after that.
that sounds awful. well I don't know, I've only been living here for two months so I can't say I know the area more than your friend, these are just my impressions of capitol hill.
I live in Ballard, which is pretty far from downtown. I like my place, but I regret not living closer to Cap Hill. I would recommend living in cap hill or maybe west Seattle if you can't find a place there. I ended up couch surfing here until I found a place, you could consider doing the same. it's nice to physically visit and talk to potential roommates before moving in.
I wish I had your butt. Not that I like butts. No I meant... nvm ^^
YOU MEAN THE LONDON NEAR LONDON, ENGALAND? :0000
I'd like to visit Ireland in the future and if I made the effort to get there it would be a waste not to visit the UK tbh
Because [spoiler]i'm a virgin[/spoiler]
Well, I mean, you know, I was having the same reservations
And actually asked them about it and, like
They were so direct and helpful!
Just told me to chill and if I want to try to make a gay male friend that I really shouldn't let my own gender-traitory feels get in the way.
And the fact that it came from gay guys ans that they were super nice and helpful about it helped, too.
I know this feel intimately. Here's a flatcat.
I don't mind skype. I have to be on it all the time anyway for work.
I-i-if you want you can send me your Skype Name here: email@example.com
I don't know if that's overkill but I tend to be guarded about mine :X
Otherwise you can post it here to the thread and I'll and you.
>tfw feminine face but masculine body
hormones please come soon
>tfw unpassable masculine face but feminine body and a big butt
>tfw anons will never be on caddy's map
>tfw pic related is our home now
>leave room to get drink
>flatmate steps out shower in boxers
>can clearly see his dick in his boxers
wuts up? do anything fun today?
my partner and I went for a nice walk on the beach collecting seaglass and cool stones and I even found like the last saltwort plant left on the beach, which we threw into a dipping sauce for dumplings, and some sea-plantain seeds, which I'm all excited about cus we didn't get any last time we were up here and I was worried they'd be blown away and gone, and now my partner is starting up a fire <3
>implying all those pink doors don't end in smashers too
in the game of life no one gets out alive
Okay so serious question.
When did you start seeing notable hip bone growth and breast development? Like how many months after you started?
I started at 18 and I'm seven months in but I see little changes on those departments.
Hip bones I never really noticed, I think they may have been reasonably wide to begin with, I just noticed after about 1.5 years that they seemed pretty wide. Boobs, no clue, I had gyno, but it was probably "noticeable" around 6 months.
My body shape didn't seem typical, I actually asked for karyotyping to rule out intersex. Idk.
there's no analog to AIS here. it can just have a reduced effect on the body. you have to consider genetics, metabolism, hell even bone growth and any potential disorders associated with that.
I have big nips and AA cups. HRT did wonders for my face apparently. Softened it out. It hasn't been working on the fat redistribution department very well though. Like my hip is the same, my thighs too.
6 mg E daily, higher if you count Estrogel in there too
weight is 63 kg
height is 5''8
What cup size are you?
oh well this isnt really a safe space, its a space online that is full of the most wretched hive of scum and villainy.
but it allows the most sane of us to meet and talk without too many overly precious opinions.
if we were elsewhere online it would probably be worse but because of the stigma of 4chan it keeps people away?
iktf except my friends are everyone from here
>But i cant
sure you can!
put on something covered but skimpy and sit on his lap or something
if he gets wood then pretend like you dont notice and then cocktease him for a few days
then either he will make the move or you will have to
but you will get that boys doodle.
I had swollen nips just from anti-androgens, proper swollen nips at 1 week, noticeable pointy boob growth at 3 weeks, at 6 weeks boob pain and growth is happening again
i'll get back to you on that
okay, you're trying to make everyone think you're creepy. good job? do you have anything objective or statistical to contribute or are you just "acting retarded"?
what do you use for an AA? also I take it you were prescribed the 6mg E dose?
How are you taking the estrogen? hemihydrate sublingually? swallowing it near or away from mealtimes?
same for most people, but if it's past 3 months I'd definitely assume something is wrong with the medication.
above average i think
>The shitposting here along with bait is providing to be useful
>yes my foolish puppets, dance to the masterbaiting of my genius intellect, as I easily manipulate you to provide undeniable evidence for my personal pet "theory" about what's REALLY going on with trannies
>People research others all the time without need of permission
sounds like you may be looking for the word "stalk"
>what do you use for an AA?
GnRH analoga, Triptorelin
>I take it you were prescribed the 6mg E dose?
No, my initial prescribed dose is 4 mg but I upped it on my own.
>How are you taking the estrogen?
Progynova. Swallowing 3 pills daily, all at the same time right before or after my lunch.
>Not keeping them with a friend / Hiding them in laptop case or somewhere else techy parents will never, ever, bother touching because they don't know how to open a fucking tab / Hiding them in a plastic box buried in the corner of a field on a new morning jogging route you've decided to take up...
I have a fucking awful home situation and parents finding my pills isn't something even I'm worried about, how did you fuck it up? Just buy more, seriously.
I think to some extent. That's why they used to use massive e dosages before AAs became widespread.
This is entirely like, supposition and best guesses from talking to my doctors and friends and taking notes and shit. I was in bio but like, this isn't really at all stuff I would bet my life on knowing.
no experience with analogs or triptorelin. i hope the dosages are precise.
do you know your hormone levels?
it would be much better for growth if you were to spread out the pills over the day. if you took progynova, which i assume is valerate, you should take it sublingually as well.
some people can't easily process valerate. that's why hemihydrate is more commonly used as a formulation of estradiol.
E works differently with different people. From just having oestrogen i went from having a T level of "omfg wtf thats high" to "nonexistant" with regular E levels.
Its really dependent on the person so best guesses dont work and its why bloodwork is so important
>implying I don't like being a girl with a peen
it's either/or. sublingual administration puts the estradiol more directly into the bloodstream, so it's more effective to that extent.
one of the reasons high E doses aren't assigned is because having lots of E can work against feminization. when you spike your doses (by taking them at the same time), you restrain the effect of the estrogen when it's in your bloodstream and after it decays you'll have below female levels for the rest of the day. it's really bad to spike your doses. split them up as evenly as possible.
also sublingual administration dissolves slowly (odds are you'll forget about it when it's in your mouth) which lets you have an even more spread-out dosage.
great actually, i'd hate to be male
it is unfortunate but most people think I am so I've made my peace with it
I just broke down sobbing in the shower because my friend is going to the doctor tomorrow to have a lump in his abdomen examined and I'm terrified
If worst comes to worst I need anyone except Oddish to help me kill myself because honestly I couldn't live without him
eh my best friend of 10 years went to the doctor two years ago after a rock-hard lump she'd had in her tongue for SIX YEARS started growing to the size of a walnut
she's scared of doctors for some bullshit reason so always refused to get it looked at til it started growing
turned out to be non-cancerous but goddamn she can be stupid sometimes
but yeah she left it for six years and I'm assuming your friend hasn't so it'll most likely be okay
heck my dad had full-blown melanoma and the operation to remove it took under an hour and he's been fine ever since
hey, pianist of 14 years here
it's all about the stretching and the strength. i have shorter-than-average fingers. you don't need long ones, you just need strong fingers (at least if you're playing the piano). it's an informal rule that anything above a 9th can be arpeggiated if the hands are too short.
what's wrong with being a girl?
hi ! I am living the boring life rn myself.
kinda sucks tbh
oh hey E ! were the dumplings good though? I am actaully quite hungry rn but I'm starting a diet so IDK what I should eat.
that's good to hear Elanna. how is the exercise going? I am committed to actually doing stuff at the gym this week besides showering (since I have to go anyway I may aswell do exercise and stuff)
also It's the first time for me I've been awake at like 8am in weeks I'm feeling very normie today. glad to hear you are well tho
>mfw finally giving Parkway Drive's new album a listen
>Holic isn't around
Fuck. Who am I going to talk about IRE with?
I basically stopped snapchatting when I started posting here
Its going really well thanks ^^
I had a massive burger and poutine with a friend today so I have to burn about 1000cal to make up for it, but I've got my games to keep me occupied. And yeah if you're already at the gym anyways it makes sense to work out, even if it's just a little bit of cardio. Do you have any exercises in mind?
And also, I can't even sleep in past 8 anymore. Normie lyfe!
I'm not really cute or chaser material tbh.
Ooo heyo Kit!
How are you? How have you been?
Have you given IRE a listen yet?
spinach, goat cheese, cashews, strawberries, chicken, avacado, cukes, orange chipotle vinagrette
>just talk to people and you're not alone
there are no people around, its a 10 room mansion in the hills and its terrifying alone up here when dark is approaching. It feels like because this place is so large, that people want to break in and kill me.
bit shorter than mine. longer pinky and index finger, actually. and you probably didn't crush your middle and ring fingers under a window when you were 3 years old so i'm willing to bet they aren't deformed either. go for it.
I'm actaully streaming it RN since you mentioned it I'm just listening to the second track now, pretty good so far ^^
I have seem them live so many times cause they are an Aus band they tour here a lot.
so glad to hear from you I hope all is going well ^^
guys i wrote down the name of the cake i had a little sliver of at work but i cant find the note and im worried it was more calories than i think it was
H E L P
I went through their whole discography a few months ago, this album sounds really different to me. "Crushed" sounds a bit like it has hip hop influences at least when it comes to the refrain.
I like the album too so far anyway, it's really melodic and I dig that. Love the vocals in this one too, McCall just keeps getting better.
If they ever come here again I think I'll go even though I've never been to a concert before.
it is genetic though.
i was 115 lbs, 5'10" for like 2 years in my life. couldn't put on weight. medication to put on weight didn't even work for me. happened to my brother, too, and to my father when he was younger. genetics definitely plays a role here.
lol i did a 12th once i chopin op 48 no 1
you seriously just gain the ability to stretch your hands like a rubber band after you play enough rachmaninoff and scriabin
it only counts if you're an artist or musician iirc
i used to play that one popular rachmanioff prelude in C# minor or whatever it was
and that last page and a half is basically torture to me
i can do a 10th with relative ease now but anything above that.....men
what is your usual repertoire?
ayyyy dollar dollar bill y'all
im upset more people here don't put any effort in to pass