>The transbians aren't all bad and people hate on them way too much. >The T should be welcome to stay in LGBT. >Femboys should be free to take hrt if they know what they're doing and are paying for it on their own. >Non binary people can exist. But we need more research on it. >There needs to be a men's rights movement that pushes to loosen the strict gender roles imposed on males. >HRT, SRS and FFS should be covered by insurance, provided the patient has a valid diagnosis and a recommendation letter from a doctor. >You can be gay/trans and conservative, though being socially conservative seems like shooting one's self in the foot. >It'd be more practical to change the acronym to HBT(homosexual, bisexual, transgender).
>>5157830 >It'd be more practical to change the acronym to HBT(homosexual, bisexual, transgender). No. Because there are still stupid people who think that the homo part of homosexuality refers to males.
>>5158105 Feminism only seeked to loosen gender roles on females and demonize males as predatory boogeymen that can't be trusted. See: TERFs, third wavers that demonize straight white males, 2nd wave radfems.
It's partially why western society seems to not give a shit about FtMs, yet MtFs are literally the devil.
>>5158169 >It's partially why western society seems to not give a shit about FtMs, yet MtFs are literally the devil. I think it has more to do with that straight MtFs want hetero dudes. It challenges masculinity in a way different way than a straight girl with a FtM.
Transgenders never really become 'real' girls/guys. They have feminized/masculinized brain stuctures but they remain physically male/female. Transitioning is to relieve dysphoria so they can become functional members of society, not to actually become the other gender.
>>5157679 Neither is true of REAL asexuals (I know because I am one) however there may well be plenty of people calling themselves asexual who fit into those categories.
>>5158105 Feminism is by definition a womens' movement, otherwise it wouldn't be called feminism. They may believe that men should be liberated from gender roles the same way women are, but their focus is still on women. There really needs to be a separate men's movement (or an egalitarian movement that doesn't focus on one gender over the other) that fights for that sort of thing.
>>5158230 I don't think this is really controversial. No one seems to claim that they become biologically male/female. It's more that if they successfully transition it becomes pointless to bother with the distinction in ordinary circumstances. If someone completely passes and lives as a woman, it makes more sense to regard them as a woman than as a man, regardless of what they biologically are.
>>5158761 In what way? I don't recall her ever claiming she was born with a vagina or anything like that, which is literally the entire definition of "real girl". She may be pointing out that trans people are similar enough to "real girls" to be counted as such in normal circumstances, and that's what I was talking about above, but that's not the same as claiming to be a "real girl"
>>5158230 idk tho. i know i'lll never be cis, but it definitely doesn't make me any less of a real girl. i see it as like a birth defect. like being born with an extra toe, or a missing whatever. just that my defect happened to be a thing with some huge impact on the rest of my body. reflecting on my life, absolutely everything suddenly makes sense, if i look at it as having always been a girl that'd been told to be a boy. any other differentiation is just nitpicking to make me feel bad imo.
>>5158230 This, and to add to that, it's unreasonable for them to get upset or angry at someone else for "misgendering" or "using the wrong pronouns". It's reasonable to want treatment for a medical issue, but it's totally unreasonable to expect everyone else to play along with your beliefs, especially when they're not true.
I don't think many transsexuals would agree to say the Bible is the inerrant word of God and be shamed if they didn't, just because some people take it really, really personally and base their whole world on that.
>>5158848 I kind of agree, but -- where do you draw the line between that and someone just standing on his own beliefs?
I guess the core for me is I don't think it's ever okay to *demand* it, like people can use your adopted pronouns and stuff as a courtesy or because they honestly believe it, but you have no right to demand it.
>>5159988 I don't think it's really a matter of belief. You don't really need to go out of your way to call someone by their preferred pronouns (once you know what they are). It's basically just politeness. You can "believe" it's okay to call a mtf by male pronouns in the sense that you can "believe" it's okay to not say please and thank you.
>>5161137 Yup. I'd rather people respected my gender identity, but it's not like I'm about to shatter if they don't. They're strangers - I can rarely work up the bonhomie to care if they live or die.
That said, more workplaces have harassment policies that clearly spell out that misgendering a colleague, client, customer, etc... is unacceptable every day. I don't feel like it's worth it to get in the habit of being intentionally rude to trans people when the habit will probably get you disciplined and dismissed one day.
And for what benefit? Me knowing you're sort of a prick? I'm sure you'll find other ways to express it.
Feminism challenges patriarchy which is a system that imposes gender roles on everyone. Patriarchy hurts everyone in different ways but women specifically are placed below men in society. So if you want gender roles to be relaxed for men, you have to accept that the system imposing those roles also benefits you in certain ways and be willing to part with those benefits.
>>5162115 True, but many men (those who aren't inclined to follow masculine roles) don't benefit much from the patriarchy and would be much better off without those restrictive gender roles. The patriarchy was built to benefit men, but only a certain type of men.
>>5162128 Just because they're the result of biological differences doesn't mean that they're good or that we should keep them.
>>5162111 I feel the same way, but only about mtfs. ftms that pass really well, I'm just impressed. But I see what you mean about gigi gorgeous.
Ultimately I think it's about the roles we are assigning genders. We generally consider women "harmless" and men "potentially harmful". So it's an uncanny valley effect when you see a passing trans woman because suddenly something you consider innocent and harmless is now capable of rape, murder, violence, all the things we (incorrectly) associate with men only.
>True, but many men (those who aren't inclined to follow masculine roles) don't benefit much from the patriarchy and would be much better off without those restrictive gender roles.
Really debatable. I'm trans and even if I never really occupied masculinity, I still benefitted passively in lots of tangible ways. I didn't have to deal with men invading my personal space, for one. I also didn't get slut shamed when I had sex. I was also considered to be competent at everything I did. Even from the time I was little, I was actively encouraged by everyone in my life when I did well in math and science.
I think about how I'm a physics major a lot and looking back, I really doubt I would have ended up in STEM if I wasn't AMAB. I was a great writer, too, and when I wanted to go to culinary school after I graduated, everyone from my peers to my parents to my teachers begged me to not "throw away" my talent with numbers. Would I have gotten that same kind of support and pushback if I was a girl in HS? I really doubt it.
I can name a ton more things, like not being pressured into feminine labor, having my intellect second guessed, being talked over, etc. etc. It's really different in so many ways.
>>5157676 >Refugees are welcome, integration acts need to be passed to improve their capability to stay in Europe >Religion should be de-institutionalized non-violently, and replaced by a single "Humanist" society that acts as the ethical and moral guide for the western world. >Anime can be an art form, and without it several things in western media would not be the way they are nowadays >The only way to ensure progress in third world countries is to empower women
I don't mind people making new sexuality labels if it more accurately describes what they are into, to me it's the same as chaotic good, lawful good, neutral good, etc being an extension of the basic good, neutral, evil, morality alignments. Not to mention getting butthurt over it is silly in general.
>>5163632 >The dominant gender in our society is male
Yeah because women don't fucking do anything.
There's nothing stopping women from banding together and taking over. They're half the human race for fuck's sake, it's not like they're outnumbered and oppressed. They could rise up and dominate the world tomorrow if they wanted to.
Relationships are overrated. I have yet to see a happy marriage/romantic relationship in my surrounding. Just give it time and shit will turn sour. I don't know if it's our culture, or if we just live too long now for love to survive until one of the partners kicks the bucket, but it's always ultimately a lot more drama and stress than love and bliss.
>>5168775 I think the problem is labels, everyone's got to have theirs . and if your labels are ones a person doesn't like then they immediately hate you. I think focusing on labels is what caused all the stupid PC BS and tumblr assholes.
>>5162061 What does nonbinary actually mean then? I have trouble with it myself.
Sometimes, I think it describes me. Others, I think I'm being an attention-whoring faggot in order to distract myself from my awful ugliness. I worked hard for a long time to alter my voice, style my hair, dress androgynously/blend my clothing, and still be moderately attractive, but I didn't do it in order to look gender-neutral. Just because it felt right.
I've been this way as long as I've been dressing myself. It depends on the day, but I get both "sir" and "ma'am" a lot, and while in the past it would make me feel attacked and criticized, I just don't care anymore. Except when someone is creepy or a raging cock about it.
>>5173289 >transgenderism is a mental illness that should ideally be treated with therapy and medication rather than surgery and hormones I'd agree with that if therapy and medication were effective. Regardless of one's views, it would be a violation of basic medical ethics to insist on providing a less effective treatment than is available.
>>5173289 >i don't particularly have any sympathy for people who try really hard to appear outwardly gay and then get 'bullied' for it
>i don't think that people should feel compelled to come out, and that in many cases staying closeted is the better alternative
OK but how are you gonna get laid if you don't look gay? Guys are so much more comfortable hitting on you when they know you won't be offended by it. My sex life improved dramatically when I started presenting fem instead of being closeted about it.
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