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I just woke up and am off to a productive start hi!!
My dream butt. Also
>tfw my family is of average heights and no one is really tall
>Somehow I managed to growth spurt up to 6'2"
Must of been all that wishing I was a little bit taller when I was growing up. Now to just be a baller.
tbqh I'm probably stronger than you lol fite me ho
As far as the bell curve thing, if you take into account those that start before 14, and the averages drop a bit, I'm guessing somewhere between average male and average female height. I mean, look at milkygirl, she started at 14 and is like 5'0"
no bully pls also no need to be so hostile f a m
was reposting really that necessary?
wasnt milky basically a troll idr
but ur right obviously, though i don't think that trans girls who start that early make up a significant statistical segment of the trans female population
but what do i know im not a statistician i'm just going off of what ive seen irl mostly
and bitch im tellin u im STRONG AF
>Madison tells people to post butt
>doesn't post her own cute little butt
I still talk to her on skype here and there
Maybe not 10 years ago, but with all the progressiveness with things, the numbers are rising.
>but what do i know im not a statistician i'm just going off of what ive seen irl mostly
neither am i lol
>and bitch im tellin u im STRONG AF
pls stop embarrassing yourself
online dating is fun
I was feeling pretty ok about my butt this morning actually o.o
Lol opps you sure hurt my feelings anon
I'm going to go sit in the corner, cry and listen to some Lincoln Park
I know how to do them, I'm just lazy.
I usually get them threaded because I'm too bothered to do tweeze them.
I like my nose though
Yay I'm relevent still
But I was sleeping
I will Spook you forever
Hahahahahaha ok that was funny
Gotta do those angles
Swelling really sucks :/
Excuse me, whaaaaaaaat?
That's subjective desu
>also no need to be so hostile f a m
I dont know what other kind of response you expect to "I fit in perfectly with other women in this regard but you should just fuck off and deal with being a giant
>was reposting really that necessary?
Well the intention was to delete the post in the last thread after I realised it was after the "new post"post but my phone fucked up and wouldnt let me so whatever
i luv u anon-chan
yah ur right probably. idk. the whole "normal male range" thing is kind of a crock too since most of those studies are old and based mostly on a white population which just isnt the reality at all
>pls stop embarrassing yourself
UM ILL HAVE U KNOW IM MAD STRONG DIDNT U SEE MY BIG STRONG MAN ARMS
pretty relieved that u guys are making fun of my arms for being not muscley honestly
>I dont know what other kind of response you expect to "I fit in perfectly with other women in this regard but you should just fuck off and deal with being a giant
That's not what I said at all though.
>the whole "normal male range" thing is kind of a crock too since most of those studies are old and based mostly on a white population which just isnt the reality at all
p much. asians and hispanics bring down the averages quite a bit.
>UM ILL HAVE U KNOW IM MAD STRONG DIDNT U SEE MY BIG STRONG MAN ARMS
you may be taller than me but i still can make you my bitch jsyk f a m
i have a complete boybutt plus goddamn i hate daylight, shows off my stretch marks
just woke up
eating oats for breakfast getting ready for morning cardio, but have a throbbing headache
made beef burgundy for dinner last night and had 3 glasses of red wine with. is this what hungover feels like?
This op-pic makes me want to kill myself.
Its beed almost a year and I still did nothing to get a better body.
ok, doing it
nothing to look at anyway
Gooood morning /mtfg/! <3
My FtM friend got his second shot of testosterone yesterday and he's struggling so hard with all the guy emotions he's getting haha (Pretty much wanting to punch and push everything and wanting to fuck everything) it's kinda cute haha
How are you all today? <3
tfw i actually eat oatz
and squat like it's the only exercise worth doing
which is funny cause I used to call myself 100% into chicks but after thinking about it it's more like 70% guys, 30% chicks. I've always thought vaginas looked gross and smelled bad and cocks were nice and...idk nice b-but I was totally a straight guy! hahahaha ok past self :^)
Are there any mtf in here that regularly goes to the gym? Can you post your routine? Someone once told me that mtfs actually shouldn't do squats because it can makes the lower back look masculine and that there are exercises out there that better isolate the butt muscles. I've been trying to find a routine to follow for mtfs but I honestly can't find one.
most people are somewhere in between like that I think
I dont, but take this pic just in case, maybe it will help
OH hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii elanna !!
I should have recognised your trip ._.
Forever gold star lesbean reporting in.
Girls are amazing to be honest. I don't see me ever being with a guy.
>Just pooping around on Facebook
>Not realize what day it is
>My news feed is spammed with "Remember remember the 5th of November" quotes
oh dog what done
It's pretty late here, but anyway, I'm trying to take a break from 4chan and do something useful. I just wanted to confess that I bullied you because I have a crush on you. Goodbye and good luck.
depends on your test levels desu.
just do cardio / eat healthy. that's really all dudes want anyway, low body fat % +shapely legs / butt. cardio will do that. yea you could try to be some sort of memer and keep circle jerking with the rest of the thread, but thats not productive. its just like hrt, if you want results it's about consistency and patience. go do SS and read the /fit/ sticky if you really want to lift. so long as your test is effectively 0 you can do pretty much whatever you want without worry because you'll never get big without test.
if you dont know your test levels ask next time you see the endo. depending on numbers and your health insurance, there is more you could be doing.
dont think some stupid meme routine pic will be great. do what is tried and true
I'm breddy good, I'm finally no longer hungover ^^
Also on the bus on my way to class, but I'm not likely to pay attention in first period because it's another 2 hours of talking about burnt bread ;~;
Oh really, I actually never would have guessed o.o; thanks for telling me though. Good luck with whatever it is you do in your break from 4chan! ^^
I too can post images of random chicks that i googled.
>not saving just the qt ones
I'm not gonna lie, my gt moved a little bit and I was afraid he noticed
Oh it's this thing that we've been doing since Tuesday I was complaining about it on Skype ;~; it's some problem solving exercise about a bakery that keeps burning batches of bread. I paid good money for this class and I want it back
Guess I can. I kinda like models from Suicide Girls but here's a nice little webm.
>tfw will never be a dancer girl
my ass/hips are the least shitty part of my hon body desu
same though I'm less attracted to vag and more to the general... body, idk
I prefer tomboyish to girly girls tho
I swim 2 hours 3-4 times a week, don't know if that counts
who /guyfawkes/ here? somebody should burn an effigy of me it would be lols
>girls can't like sports
hons please go
No I didn't, I hated sports as a child. I'd always "forget" my P.E. kit so I could skip out in school. Then the teachers would spread the people who "forgot" their kits out around the edge of the field so we couldn't talk to each other. But I just liked to look and nature and find bugs, so I did that and it was more fun than kicking a ball around a cold field in shorts.
In the context of a class about "analysis". Its one of those bullshit first semester classes and I hate it. I generally just work on my personal programming and go on 4chan instead of paying attention.
Goes in cycles. Right now I'm feeling pretty gay :/
I did when I was little but quit when junior high started.
like i said: SS. starting strength. go read the /fit/ sticky and stop being lazy. if you're this lazy about doing research you'll never make it because it shows a lack of discipline and motivation. read the sticky
>>but i'mma special snowflake that needs a routine tailored to me
no you're not, go read the sticky ffs
you're giving me flashbacks to high school
please don't do that
>mfw was made to do the triple jump on sports day several years in a row because our form tutor hated me and thought it was funny that I couldn't into coordination
>inb4 she didn't hate you you're just paranoid
my sister is now taught by her and she fucks with her too and refers to her as "[Anon]'s sister", kek
Pretty much when you start HRT your perversions will flip so if you were into girls before you will get unbridled cocklust and if you were into dick you will become a human puss-seeking missile
Romance is the actually scary and enjoyable part of sex anyways.
I used to be on the swimming team for my school when I was in highschool and i also used to swim for my state
>>5178982 I avoided all sport apart from track, gynmastics, tennis and volleyball. I loved track stuff, I was good at running from running away from bullies so it felt nice to be good at something. we had mixed gender sports for one year due to having latin classes that clashed with mandatory PE, so the latin group played sport together, i kinda enjoyed playing rugby and hockey with the other girls.
Its OK I was whining about it like 2 days ago ^^
Idk it's compulsory that I take it =.= it's a meme class but I need it to take other classes. I miss university, this feels like a technical school problem.
Tell me something. Why in god's name would I want to work on my chest? My damn chest is the most masculine part of my body. Workouts can be tailored to fit specific needs, believe it or not. I've done SS before. I know what it's about.
it's kind of weird
I've felt for years like I have a huge crush on my totally asexual aromantic best friend, she's super /fit/ and muscly and has a Travis Bickle mohawk and is this amazing mix of qt as heck and butch as fuck
but despite being apparently not capable of romantic attraction she expresses much of the same affection back to me that I show to her
and I'm not sure if really I'm just really close friends with her and that's what I'm feeling
it's weird idk maybe it's platonic or something but we're in this weird semi-relationship where she wouldn't call it a relationship but we naturally behave just like a couple except for not kissing and stuff, idk how to define it so I just kinda let what happens happen
she's moving to the other side of the country soon which sucks 'cause I've known her for literally 10 years but since we started uni I've only been able to see her like 5 times :P
Sorry about the hair just woke up not mtf either
>dance under the lights, slick with sweat and covered in glitter
Anon you make it sound so dreamy. I am so afraid of dancing because I don't want to sperg out but I kinda want to do it now :(
I'm confident that can be read off as you saying you're not mtf. Since the poster never said they were afraid to be themselves, one can interpret your "all in the same boat :^)" to mean that we're all not mtf either.
Learn how to properly interact with humans tbqh.
That's a spooky skeleton.
I want to take Andreja and forcefeed her.
I can't believe this conversation has gotten this deep
okay folks listen I'm gonna keep this trip for as long as possible, if you dislike me then please, PLEASE filter me instead of whining, srsly
does anyone have a better explanation on how to get your adams apple to pull "back"?
the voice tutorial tells you how to pull it up, but back is tricky. and subtle. I can get it but it's kind of ethereal to me right now.
>the torture of liking someone and you know they don't share the same feelings
Swallow and feel which muscles contract, then swallow again and try to hold them in place after, then work up to just contracting them without having to swallow then finally holding them in place for longer and longer periods of time, i practice it when im driving around and have a pretty killer girl voice despite looking like a twink
>when you PC freezes during a game of rocket league
>when you go check inside it to see if anything's wrong and the processor is just hanging off
I k t f
>tfw too old for rapid crushes but brain is stupid
Thanks for the unsolicited advide i guess? Tbh i kinda am feelin bushy eyebrows i think it looks good on other grils but i will if it improves passing. I just dont eanna fuck up, when i was a wee youngun i was upset about some hairs in between my brows (that i tweeze now) and took a razorblade to it, shaved off like half my eyebrow and got made fun of mercilessly by family and friends until it grew back
Dont wanna relive that episode
now that the terrible nonsense of NullPointerExceptions is gone, testing and finishing this program is going really well
i'm not sure what to do with a string array, since i can't print it, but hey, i wasn't asked to
why does it hurt so much ;_;
Hmm.. I saw you in the passing thread and thought if you just cleaned them up they would look nice.
Pluck the few straight hairs and cut them down. Like... not sure what you have a around but a little comb or a mascara wand would be fine, brush your eyebrows up and cut them with scissors. There are plenty of guides online for this so you can see pictures of them doing it.
I like the thick eyebrows trend, it's very qt but bushy eyebrows aren't, it's like.. landscaping really. Shape them girl, you're cute!
Im in class literally until 10PM (its 1115 now) and i dont feel like recording my voice in public desu, maybe when i get back home but that will be super late soooo remind me or somethin
Oh I know, it's a lot more achievable than, say, getting my face to pass
I just think I'd benefit from getting general speech therapy to help me speak properly in guymode first before attempting something with an extra degree of difficulty
When I was doing the photoshoot last night people kept asking me if I was drunk I was slurring so much, made me pretty self-conscious
I want to quit work and go back to school for a phd but I'm making such good money at work and I should have enough for ffs in like a year and my insurance through work covers srs but work is sooooo boring I just want to leave
Then you should know already unless you half-assed it.
What about the concept of having 0 test do you not understand? If you're not bullshitting there, then no you will not build crazy big man shoulders and chest. You would have to go ridiculously hard to achieve that while 0 test. So unless you're lying about knowing your test levels, what it will do is help keep your body with correct proportions. When you lose weight / body fat it comes from the entire body, there is no spot treatment. Obviously if you work your legs more they will get bigger. Obviously if you squat more weight the glutes will get bigger. If you have 0 test and are just feeding your body estrogen / progesterone it will react like a female body to exercise, building muscle, etc... It's important to take care of the whole body and not purposefully neglect things.
>>but I don't want big manly shoulders / chest arms anon
low weight high reps. as far as bone structure though you get what you got. up until 25~ things'll continue to adjust moderately (like your hips). if you have big shoulders in terms of bone structure or a big rib cage you're stuck with it.
I want it to stop tbqh, feels like this hurt too much and make me feel emotionally brittle.
According to my cousin all I need to do to get over trans hatred is stiff an upper lip and keep on going. Who else has has their issues minimized, dismissed, or been ridiculed for bringing them up? I literally just had my cousin tell me that because she's a witch, she has it as bad as transfolk. How the fuck do I even reply to this?
she identifies as an attack helicopter you shitlord
>elanna will never have her crush's face burried between her legs gently lapping at her neopuss while purring softly
This shit isn't funny, this is what cisfolk ignorant of trans issues actually believe.
She's also been to prison for kidnapping and robbing her best friend, and done so much more. Honestly, I shouldn't let what she says bother me, she's an even bigger fuck up than me.
Completely real, I'm not posting as my trip because of how ridiculous it is so I get the refusal to believe, but its 100% real.
Still really need to play yume nikki desu
Might go do that now.
in the game of love you win or you die alone
I just went and bought myself a little treat because I'm sick of having a phone and wallet bulge in my jeans as if I have a monster cock even when tucked. I wonder what It could be...
god i'm so excited
>I just went and bought myself a little treat because I'm sick of having a phone and wallet bulge in my jeans as if I have a monster cock even when tucked. I wonder what It could be...
>god i'm so excited
What the fuck?
She just posted an article about how some mob in New Guinea burned a witch alive and called me out in the post. I can't even argue without outing myself, what the fuck do I even?
There are few appropriate, here's the best I got.
She keeps replying, all I'm doing this point is replying to each post with, "Cousin, I just want to not get murdered."
it a shame all I have is some beer, which isn't that great for getting drunk on. You have to drink so much.
i've always been andro styled but shit like having a purse or a handbag i've never done because i don't want to be fagbashed, so i'm a bit excited i did this. srsly you haven't put your phone or wallet in a pocket and it accidentally looked like you have a major package going on, like 'i have to choose what leg to slide it down' huge?
stop misinterpreting my words as dirty, anon :<
A rapid crush is any crush that occurs quickly and in a relative absence of getting to know a person on a deeper level. Tbqh it's more something that teenagers do and I'm too old for that.
Also idk what she looks like, it's entirely her personality, which is insanely cute.
>srsly you haven't put your phone or wallet in a pocket and it accidentally looked like you have a major package going on, like 'i have to choose what leg to slide it down' huge?
I can, with all seriousness, say that having glasses, mobile and/or other items (like keys, a wallet or tissue papers) did not made me think think I look like a have "major package".
I think you are just oversexed.
Im not trying to invalidate her, I just feel like she's trying to invalidate me.
Even if I am invalidating her though, who the fuck cares? Her bet argument is shit that happens in Muslim countries. Im not even going to post what happens to transpeople in the middle east on facebook because its unspeakably horrible.
>thou shalt not suffer a witch to live
>favorite mmo build is Debuff/DPS
who else here #trans&witch?
>Not playing tank
Feels good to be the only party member that matters, magic is for the weak
Just tell her she isnt a witch, thats kinda the crux of the issue isnt it
Shes only making the comparison because she thinks you are on eaual footing in terms of oppression or whatever, just tell her witches arent fucking real and she needs to take antipsychotics then kek at her impotent rage for "invalidating her identity"
Maybe dress up as a witch and stage a fake burning at the stake, take pics and post on your fb
i hate tanking personally, and i don't have any close friends that mmo so i can't latch onto a tank and be a healslut
so i poison
Ive heard that if we moved to Iran they wouldn't murder us, and would even fund our GRS and transition. Of course Ive also been told that refusal to have GRS and transition would lead to us being executed. And even then, outside of fantasies being an Iranian woman is probably more miserable than being a hon.
i'm not discouraged, i'm funposting
>tfw the boy you like plays a tank and you've been dps since before you met him so you didn't switch to heals but now your other mtf friend is your groups healslut
I-I still have a chance right?
But anon I can't magically turn people gay.
The worst part is it's mostly true. The only games I can play anymore are one that aim for a sense of realism, like War Thunder, or Mount and Blade: Warband. Only shooter Ill play is some ww2 game where one shot and you're dead.
Even then I can only play vidya for like half an hour before yawning at it.
>tfw when you only have 500
Ironically Ive got 600 hours in Shogun 2, if anyone plays tw....
Ye Mado, it's the only good Warhammer mod out there.
I failed my Slaneesh campaign but I managed to ace the win conditions with Sylvania.
Also, Khorne is OP.
That's strange because in every campaign I've done Kislev got stomped real fast just like the border princes. But maybe it's because I played on Hard campaign settings.
There's a new version coming out sometime including Skaven, Wood Elves and giants units are back in it too. It's in a closed beta stage rn.
Gf and me are waiting to play it for like a year.
Oh god the hype is real.
I don't think it's complete shit and it really doesn't suck all that much.
It's just usual tranny voice. Easily fixable with more practice. And stop ending your sentences with "yeah".
>TWW is probably going to steal a lot of their thunder.
That's for sure even though I doubt the game will be good. But we'll see about that last part I guess.
You could play around with your training variables. Maybe try a different training program.
You could try something meant for learning how to sing instead of just focusing on trying to sound as feminine as possible.
Something like this... yeah.
Without a doubt the best sounding people here had formal vocal training.
Yeah it would suck, doesn't mean I don't keep daydreaming about quitting everything and just burning myself.
I wouldn't have to, I'd stab myself in the heart first. Though the fire would probably fuck with the bleeding out maybe.
Just pause, take a deep breath and tell yourself to stop acting like a nervous wreck because of completely random images on a screen.
Or move to a mountain sanctuary without television and seek enlightenment.
today I saw two ugly girls, both taller than me and I am 6'1.
if they didn't have babies with them I would have assumed they were hons.
so remember - no matter how bad it may seem, there will always be some cis girl who is worse than you!
Your welcome! ^.^ and now that I'm up..
Rimmel stay matte liquid foundation. Awesome for trans dealing with 5 o'clock shadow and a decent liquid concealer. Need a bronzer and...luminizer (or similar) to highlight.
I've tried that kind of thing before it doesn't kill the self hate. Only drugs do but that's self destructive as fuck.
If I'm gonna die I might as well find out what it's like to experience total fucking agony for a little while. Trannies deserve fire and pain.
That would be difficult, she lives thousands of km away, I'm just dumb and internet crushing. Also, isn't that rape? o.o
>if you think that's gross
Tell me more ^^
I wasn't though ;~;
I just think it's cute that she posts stuff like... she's under her limit for the day so she'll have some cookies to get the most out of life.
That's why I was teasin'
She's actually really good about not breaking down and gorging from what I've seen, I wish I had her strength.
Bretty cute tbqh.
>invite her to come over for a holiday
>take her out and get her a bit drunk
>let her stay over your place and cuddle up while playing video games
>slowly slide a hand under her blouse and see how she reacts
It's not about getting her drunk, just more comfortable.
I think if you lifted the bottom end of your voice and sounded more confident you'd do fine. It's the confident part that makes a voice sound good.
Might sound ditzy as shit... But I dunno lol
god just shut the fuck up you ugly fat bug eyed looking man. nobody gives a shit what you have to say. kill urself, sir
lol fuck off
yeah 2bqh none of the guys i've ever been with were rough enough with me soooo hopefully that'll change if/when i do go.
also on another note my nip piercings hurt making my boobs also hurt and the aereola got way bigger. idk if that's good but i wish the pain would go away. ;~;
No but doing different 4 techniques for another year will bring improvement. You seem to not understand that improvement in most cases is not linear. You will plateau, you might even regress but as long as you keep working on it you will improve in the end.
No more quitter talk pls.
>indian food is GREAT u chump
>and who's vanessa
I had a convo with her on Skype while you were berating me. I suck at multitasking.
And am not that curry hater.
>but gym memberships cost money and i cant exercise at home bc no space
I doubt that gym membership is going to put that much of a dent in your wallet. Or alternatively a good pair of running shoes.
You could also try this:
I just said they were cute. Nothing lewd about that.