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>Tfw no Swede bf
>Tfw they will go extinct in our lifetime
I might do that but I would have to get a Japanese 3ds to play it since 3ds games arent backwards compatible. Japanese regular 2ds games are. I have a few Japanese games.
I do want to play dq7 though really really badly.
Out of curiosity what did you like about 13?
I literally cannot see the appeal of it.
>tfw played x-2 for the first time
>had to turn the volume down because I didnt want my Dad knowing I was playing such a girly game because of the dancing
>x-2 lower than 10
wat, that's Haikyuu! brah
<This is OHHC
>had to turn the volume down because I didnt want my Dad knowing I was playing such a girly game because of the dancing
Reminds me of the time I was playing Resident Evil 4, when you play as the asian girl (I forgot her name) and my dad walked into my room.
>Anon, why do you play as the lady instead of playing as the guy like your brother?
I tried to explain him that that part of the game required you to play as her but I don't think he believed me ;_;
lol I knew which one you meant.
What do you mean by validation though?
>combat only redeeming feature
Exactly that was what was so great about it. The gunner and berzerker class was so fun. Maybe instead of getting into /lit/erature ill just play JRPGs again to get my mind off of life. I need to get off the internet.
>tfw always picked the girl characters because they have more options and I enjoyed making me have a female name
Your dad sounds like an asshole lol
6ft is the cutoff
If you are under 6ft you are a useless man tbqh tbt tbph (to be perfectly honest)
But seriously in gay relationships as long as your heights are complimentary height dosnt matter
Is "complimentary" supposed to mean that you just like each others' heights?
VIII has great dialog. Really fucking cheesy and weird, the type of shit that would never land with voice actors.
>13 was good, but really convoluted and weird
Yeah, I hate the direction the story went. It got so dumb by the end, I just didn't care anymore.
The lore in the first was super interesting if you bothered to read the datalogs, but it was mostly useless info in the grand scheme of things.
I always use Snow as the leader, even if he is one of the worst choices for that role. At least he never dies.
The ones that produce the qt mens.
>Maybe instead of getting into /lit/erature ill just play JRPGs again to get my mind off of life
Sounds like a good idea.
Shit I didn't know that we'd jumped threads. Like the other Anons said, his name is Zell. He's not even the gayest-looking character in the game, imho.
I agree completely. I actually really like the level up system. When I got to X I remember being kind of like "wtf is this shit?" because I was used to the way it was in VIII. Then again, a lot of stuff from X made me go "wtf is this shit?"
>Then again, a lot of stuff from X made me go "wtf is this shit
I've been waiting for an opportunity to post picrelated and even if it doesn't fit right now I probably won't have another chance.
shorties are qt. you can pick them up in your arms and carry them while you fuck them
Short guys have no issue getting laid and neither do tall guys. I don't think tall guys have a MUCH larger dating pool as opposed to straight relationships where being tall is easy mode. I am five foot eight and never had any issues with height in gay circles whereas with straight circles it isnt an issue or nothing but I am also not the first pick and I have to do other things to "compensate"
Who would be the gayest looking?
I don't know I want to be well read but it is kind of forced as opposed to JRPGs which I fucking love. But JRPGs dont make you more intelligent.
>poor opinions of gays
I am just playing im sure hes a nice dude.
Kuja wears a thong iirc also.
Want to date? :3
I dont like my girls to be any other color but white but my boys I love different shades tbqh
9 had the best story tbqh
That scene and their underwater soccer game or whatever (can't remember what it's called) in particular.
I thought the same of pic related. I was like "Oh a sharpshooter cowgirl? That's pretty cool." I thought he was some kind of badass lesbian Annie Oakley at first. The fact that he's in a midriff-bearing shirt doesn't help.
you can emulate dq7 real easy, it's on ps1
i loved 13, it was really cinematic and dramatic and emotional. the gameplay wasn't that great, it was pretty much just hold x in battle. and the story was good in that i really like that it only took place over a few days and there was a lot of driving force involved, but it was kinda
nonsensical and silly. 13-2 wasn't very good, but it was interesting enough for me to finish. lightning returns was a fucking travesty
desu i'm personally offended you consider 8 a joke
zell dincht, but desu i didn't really find any of the guys in 8 hot. irvine had a weird cowboy ponytail aesthetic which was at least kinda refreshing to see in a 90s jrpg when it was all "the higher the hair the closer to god"
>literally any of squall's responses
>Kuja wears a thong iirc also
I read somewhere that he was meant to be a girl at first but then they changed it but never changed his design.
I don't know if that's true but that would explain the waist and hips and thong.
>9 had the best story tbqh
I liked 6's better, only because as I said before, I'm still mad about Necron coming out of nowhere.
That necron shit was fucking garbage it really was.
Maybe I should pick up 13 again and try it out. I dont have a system for it but I want to give it another shot.
>tfw have about 6 JRPGs havent started
>have had bravely default for a year but havent even started the english side just Japanese
>the list goes on
>I dont have a system for it but I want to give it another shot
There's a PC release.
I still need to get into Atelier Shallie, but I just don't have the time. Those games lost a lot of charm when they ditched the 2D sprites for events.
The dialog in FF8 is what makes it so great. My friend told me I should play KH because they have some FF8 characters in there and they have some of the best and cheesiest lines.
I thought Seifer was pretty cool back in the day because I was 2edgy4u. I still like him since he's a fairly sympathetic antagonist.
Although I didn't find him attractive, I thought Raijin's personality was cute. The fact that he wouldn't hit female party members and got bossed around by a tiny, one-eyed dyke was precious.
idr exactly but i think edea's like
this is the end for me...
and he's just like
i tried the bravely default demo and it was fucking awful and turned me off of actually playing it
i only played star ocean til the end of time, but i played the fuck out of it. i played peppita and my party was like maria and nel.
i'm prob gonna get yokai watch, legend of legacy, and disgaea 5 soon-ish. after that i've only really thought about like fire emblem fates, persona 5, ff7.
anyway i need to go to bed now goodnight
>be 6'8" 340lbs
Idk what to do :c... I've started dieting and exercising, but I still feel like a monster. I want to get out in public more and be social, but I feel like I can't while I'm still fat. Should I join a gym?
I never liked KH but I know a ton of people that swear by it. But read >>5182696
They destroyed every single haracter and I hate disney so I oul never respect the game.
Good night sweet pea.
Bravely defaults just too generic for me.
No I am not British sdly...
You sound really hot though tbqh...
>asians in Britland
never knew that could happen
I doubt hws trying to troll you. Even /jrpg/ lovers love the game but it isnt for everyone. They butcher ff8 characters and the characters from 7 just they butcher them also. The combat system and story is environments are extremely unique but I just cant get over how they completely ruined my favorite characters and I hate disney.
Maybe I will try it again but never know.
Lengthy discussion about Japanese RPGs
>manlet sissy top 6'2" senpai and dombottom 6'8" anon
I can't take it anymore
From now on I'm not gay anymore
I hate this disgusting community filled with disease
(: 3 have been healed from this sickness in one year. why you are not getting girlfriend anon?
I think my favourite bit of FF8 is where Quistis is hitting on Squall hard, and he is shooting her down in flames. Saying shit like 'Talk to a wall'.
>tfw doctors in a few hours and a bit nervous
>mfw starting to question my homosexuality
>spending my life with a woman starts to make more sense
>can't imagine myself with a guy
>still can't find women attractive
that is nature helping you to get rid of this mental sickness you picked up. gayness is not natural. mens body are designed to go together with women. men and women are like opposites and they complete each other
>that is mental sickness trying to draw you into the vaginal jew's claws. gayness is most natural. mens body are designed to go together. twinks and bears are like opposites and they complete each other
>>still can't find women attractive
tbph, for your plan to work all you need to do is find just one woman attractive. Downside is she must also find you attractive... but all women find gaymen attractive, right?
How do you block websites?
I want to block 4chan and 4+4chin besides a few boards
those fat rolls and flat ass baka
get better taste
gaygen needs less pedos, more bisluts
>make a retarded as fuck face
Either you are the dumbest asshole in this thread, or that picture isn't actually you, it's someone you're crushing on and you can't find a better one to impersonate yourself as.
>25 years old whining about 4 inch cock on a chinese cartoon board
Man, I thought you were a teenager or something. Didn't think my opinion of you could get much lower, but you've outdone yourself. Congratulations?
Yeah, they turned Seifer into a real tool.
They also ruined Setzer, made him from a dude who loves flying, gambling, and an opera singer into a dude who beats kids up with plastic clubs to woo girls and asks you to throw a fight.
I didn't actually put 2 and 2 together that it was him at first since he had nothing in common with his original character.
???? not sure. it is confusing i just want to fuck qt
65-70kg? I don't own a set of scales.
North Italian and Anglo
Live in Australia.
Top, very rarely get the urge for anal stimulation, or submission.
I've never been more offended in my life. I just want a bf who's white, like me.
You need to know how to keep these cheeky, Anons in like.
What sort of sub? I'm not really into inflicting pain, but I'd very much like to tease, bully and get a little rough with someone.
Preferably a big, beefy bara with nice tiddies.
>@realtonytiger give me cummies daddy
>— wander style【=◈︿◈=】
baka desu senpai
>Go to the doctor
>Explain symptoms of fatigue and extremely high heart rates during exercise
>"Could it be because I'm underweight?"
>D: "Nah it's just natural"
>"But I shouldn't be near my maximum heart rate for long periods of time, right?"
>D: "Nah it's fine some people are just different"
My doctor is trying to kill me, I think. In the end I asked them to run a blood test for Celiacs and that was it.
No, Maki's kinda cute. Fun to bully, but how can you resist bullying some weeb with a 4 inch penis?
I don't really hold as much distaste for him as I do for the rest.
My therapist refused to treat me for an eating disorder for about 6 months, with her only reasoning being "because he's a boy."
She did give me some anti-depressants, which did nothing. I eventually just pretended to be happy once I realized therapy was useless, and put it up to myself to get over ED.
Yaaaaas finally a gaygen I want to post in
Hi other Swede, how's Sweden treating you?
Got this in the mail the other day, did you get it too?
Yes, it was years ago. Still pretty skinny though, I need to start working out.
Aww, I'm glad you're working on getting better. I've been struggling like hell to put weight on. I was eating a lot of pasta, pizza etc. mixed with meat, and it left me very fatigued, constipated, and sore.
I've had no gluten for most of a week, and my skin is already looking better, I don't feel bloated and nasty, and I don't have the cognitive fog that was getting so overbearing. I wouldn't be surprised if it were Celiac's, and if it is, this is likely a small result compared to the long run. Apparently it takes months to recover properly.
You know something is fucked when you're eating 4,000 calories a day and can't gain weight.
You have a pretty body tbqh
Id touch it
I couldn't live without gluten, my dad's side of the family is Italian. When I gave up all that stuff during my ED my skin did get super clear though.
I think the only thing I need to improve on my diet at the moment is less salt and more protein. I think I have trouble gaining weight due to all the food habits I developed, like no fast food, always using artificial sweeteners, drinking lots of diet soda etc..
Are you sure about that, Maki-kyun?
>don't do meth.webm
I know man, I'm trying to think of creative ways around gluten. It's no fun feeling sluggish, slow, and sleepy all the damn time. If I start gaining weight by eating more potato (but not necessarily more than I would've eaten in pasta), then regardless of what the test says, I might start avoiding it.
I drink a loooooot of milk and soda. It's easy calories.
135 Ameripounds (that's 61kg)
half slav, half hispanic
unfortunately bi, I wish I wasn't attracted to women, they're crazy and annoying
vers leaning bottom
The Swedish Democrats are Sweden's most famous right-wing nationalist party, but they're laughably moderate compared to the equivalent parties in most heavily multiculturalism-stricken countries in Europe.
They're Swedes after all. In the end they're all tolerant zionism-influenced libkeks just like the rest of Sweden, it's just that we call them right-wing conservative nationalists because we're comparing them to the other top parties in the country rather than to some objective list of definitions of conservatism, liberalism/libertarianism etc.
They're just Swedes, with all the properties the word implies, that dislike immigration from arab/african countries. That's more or less the only difference. If they were supportive of immigration from arab/african countries, they wouldn't exist because all of the SD members would instead identify just fine with at least one of the other parties.
So of course their promocards are nice. They're Swedish promocards.
Are you going to have to remind everyone around you that you're actually gluten free, and not just a hipster? That would be the worst part.
Potato is nice, I like to mash it and mix it with lots of Parmesan and milk to add protein. Don't know if that's weird or not, but it tastes good to me.
I like skeletons too, but after going through hair loss and feeling like shit all the time, I'd rather get /fit/ and try to remain /fit/. I'll try not to be too preachy about it, promise.
>Are you going to have to remind everyone around you that you're actually gluten free, and not just a hipster? That would be the worst part.
I wouldn't really want to bring it up, I would just pick my food more carefully. If I got offered something I knew I couldn't eat I'd just refused.
>dislike immigration from arab/african countries
Truly the heroes that Sweden deserve. I need a haven where I can find qt blond, pale men.
There's always Finland, I guess.
Lol you're fine
Im going on my second bulk soon for a few months and getting my gym pass again so i can try to help if needed
The Finns genepool and culture is too tainted by mongols and slavs for them to be considered scandinavian, so I wouldn't go to Finland if I was looking for a pure master race specimen. However if you're just into pale blond guys then yeah I guess you could go to Finland. I still recommend you steer clear of the place but hey I'm not your mother.
>so i can try to help if needed
I don't think I'll need much help. I was a dedicated athlete up until around 15 or 16. My mum also works in a gym, and I know people who go regularly that would probably accompany me if I asked. O-one's pretty qt, but he has a gf.
Will probably just take it slow at first, I really want to get back into swimming, so I can join my uni's club and meet people. That's after I regain some strength, of course.
Hey, can any of you fellas help me out a bit here?
I got myself a boyfriend finally which is pretty great. I like him, he likes me, outside the bed everything is just fucking great.
In the bed, nothing is bad as such, just a bit awkward with a few issues, the main one being that in the 3 weeks we've been having sex (mainly oral, no but stuff), neither of us had climaxed.
He is my first and he hadn't had much other experience before me either.
Also, and here is the clincher, I am significantly larger than him, and I've no idea how to approach that situation. Obviously I want him to enjoy it, but I'm used to a slightly larger than average dick, not a fairly small one, but more than that I really don't want to emasculate him by having that conversation because god that would be shit for both of us.
So yeah, any help for a poor inexperienced gay guy who has no idea what the fuck he's doing?
Tell story. I've never really interacted with one irl, but I saw a balding old (60+) man in a blue, floral dress at the supermarket the other day.
I want to fuck one of those qt metalhead Finns. Though I know nothing about metal, and they'd probably kill me and use my skull as a prop.
its not very interesting
>walk in gents toilet
>see a girl taking a piss on the toilet with the door open
>ask 'why is a women in yeah'
>she goes ballistic
>'I'm not a women you shitlord' not even joking this is what she said
>'I self identify as a man you transmisogynist'
bare in mind she literately looks like a women and has massive tits
>I roll my eyes
>'yeah and what shitlord'
>I starting laughing like all hell
>the rest of the night she and her blatant queen fag friend start following me
>every time they see me they start shouting tumblr tier crap
>tell them I don't give and shit
>they get more mad at me
>the rest of the night she and her blatant queen fag friend start following me
They wanted to fugg.
Should have walked them into a police station and said they were sexually harassing you.
I'm starting to get drunk, gg. Typing is hard.
what is, in your humble opinion, a fairly small one.
have you looked into positions to try out? I know hungry bottoms like to be filled up with megadicks, but considering how few nerve endings there are when you reach the rectum all you really need is to hit the prostate and for someone unfamiliar with prostate pleasure you sort of have to learn it.
they seem like nearly any other party holding a similar political position in the successful developed eu nations.
if you replaced every instance of 'sd' with 'ukip' or 'britain first' or 'bnp' that whole post would still be entirely translatable into british politics. same soundbites same spin same bs.
We haven't done any anal (and I've never done any at all but I think I'm versatile), I'm not sure he's into it at all but I guess the fact that we haven't really talked about it is probably part of the issue. I'm just too nervous to bring it up because I'm sure it would inevitably lead to the dick size discussion, as I'm pretty sure his wouldn't do much for me, and I'm not sure if he considers me too big (I don't think so but he was somewhat impressed when we first fucked. Talk about an ego boost)
He's at a guess about 4.5 inches which I would consider small, especially seeing as I'm at about 6.5.
sub 4 inches is objectively too small, and over 7 or so is objectively too big.
Both if you are fine - he can take you with some foreplay, and he can hit your prostate if he fucks you properly.
Im still not 100% clear on what your positions are - is there a sub/dom thing going on? Who do you think would top if you did anal?
France is one of the most racist 1st world countries IIRC, ditto for Greece.
We're both pretty equal, like, we don't really have a big spoon/little spoon thing going on it's just whoever leads. I guess it could be kinda like having two doms but even then not quite. I try not to categorise into sub/dom because I don't think it's applicable in our situation.
because I want a bukowski bf, drinking and writing angry poetry. ah well.
well, he's a little under average according to the most recent study (which is so controversial I know let's not go there), but your prostate isn't further than that anyway so he should be able to give you an anal orgasm. how is his girth?
I find that dick is as much about size as a personality (which I guess again is a controversial opinion to hold), but if he's fairly passive I can understand why you have these thoughts. most gays tend to be passive, even the tops that likes to fuck bp hard comes across as passive to me most of the time. to me, this is why straight men are so fetishized by gay men, because they are more active in their behavior and mentality.
since your both not experienced, you have to decide if you want to train your bf to become more active, or if you just want to switch it up and take control yourself.
I just met up with a guy from grindr and it was one of the worst experiences of my life. He had a decent body and I just wanted to suck his dick, but he couldn't get hard, and kept trying to pry open my asshole with his claws. Eventually we went to his bed, where we "cuddled," which consisted of him groping me incessantly and neither of us being aroused. It was my first grindr hookup, and probably my last. I feel a little sick.
>In a racewar I would never fight with Finns, I would fight against them
Is this what the average white Finnish man looks like? I would do super kinky shit with this guy.
>because I want a bukowski bf, drinking and writing angry poetry. ah well.
Death to all kike scum
Heil daddy Hitler, Mein Führer
Please don't take this literally, it is muy subjective.
Pretty much those. Good fun and we get closer to climaxing each time but just never really get there.
His girth isn't that great either which is the main reason I'm not sure he'll do much. There's always a way to work around size, the issue here is that due to our inexperience we have no idea how to work with what we have.
My main worry is that I don't want to offend him which part of me thinks is silly as he obviously knows he's smaller than me but it's a whole other thing actually having it being said.
And yeah we are basically both quite passive.
bukowski was a kraut though, and I don't actually want someone that looks like him. just some alcoholic dreamer that works out, drinks himself to sleep, wakes up int he middle of the night and writes angry poetry.
>with his claws
there's your mistake m8y, you tried hooking up with crab people. don't hook up with crab people.
The way I see, of course he knows he's smaller than you, but there is a mean way of acknowledging the elephant in the room and a kind way of doing that.
have you perhaps ever heard of flip flopping, it's sort of a nice way of not making someone that wants to top to feel like an ass. let him do you, and in the same session you turn him around and say my turn.
or, I don't know, maybe he gets off at being humiliated and you should just point and laugh and say his clit isn't going anywhere near your ass and he should prepare to be raped.
talk together, you'll figure it out. don't start the conversation around the dinner table though, these talks are best when you're both in bed, in the dark, it's easier for people to open up and be a little more honest.
I remember grills in my school getting vaccines for that and crying about it. All the straight men would comfort them.
God, I hate women.
Some people are way too thirsty it's pathetic
> wake up at 3am for some reason
> check unread messages on scruff
> guy messages me wanting to fuck
> tell him no, it's too early, we're 30 miles away and I am still sleepy
> tells me, "can you leave your door open for me? I really want to fuck you. I'll drive up to your place and fuck you while you sleep. Please?"
t b h i wouldnt consider sd to be politically unevocable from front national or other right leaning parties w/ a large support base in the eu. yh policies arent exactly the same in a few areas but they are basically single issue non eu immigration parties.
+ the current political climate in greece isnt really comparable to sweden, britain, france etc imo.
So I was contacted on grindr by this guy, not a native and with broken english. we talk for a bit, he's ok a bit to keen on getting to the let's be bf part, my suspicion levels raises.
so I decide to steer the conversation to where I think he's going, and I'm right. Yes, he wants to marry someone, because he's a migrant and he wants permanent residency. I doubt he's even gay or bi.
this is happening more and more.
That is a qt.
I liked the ginger appreciation we had the other day, there aren't enough qt gingers around.
Ah man not sure what to say here
Like i have met alot of really smart Swedes but the new generation of Swedes are pretty much useless
They grow up with videogames and incredibly low amount of knowledge about the real world
There is a reason, i have worked with alot of "blattar" bla bla bla
The point is, alot of swedish nerds keep talking about race war and shit but cmon
Oatmeal and Swede, you guys are literally white trash by default. Do you actually think you will be saved in a racewar? You are the first ones to go
SD is a good party but its kinda the /r9k/ of Sweden
This is SD new leader and look at how he is scared and awkward in front of a hot nubile black teen
I wouldve fucked her silly, god damn this guy is a beta/omega permavirgin cu ck
>Swede gobbling the cocks of multiple tall, blonde Finnish men
I don't want a skinny blonde twink bf though.
I want a powerful, tall, unkempt viking.
Half irish, half indian
Gay as fuck
Bottom only, but I'm a switch when it comes to dom/sub. Prepare to be power bottomed.
tfw no bf
I wanna fuck a qt hillbilly with long hair desu
You have shitty taste. I bet you like gross Latinos, Mediterraneans and darkies.
>when swede responds to you
marry me desu senpai
yaaawn come lay in bed with me, we can at least cuddle aaall morning if you want ~
I'm fem, I'd look weird if I were tall.
I'm surprised that you're taller than me honestly given how fem you are. How tall are you, out of curiosity?
You're bony, I'm not. I have thicker hips and thighs than you as well judging by some of the pics I've seen.
I decided to move to Norway today. I was flying from Andoya to Tromso earlier today in this tiny little propeller powered plane. The sun was rising and illuminating the fjords and snow covered mountain peaks. It was truly beautiful.
Now I'm back on Svalbard where it's snowing and cosy indoors.
This country truly has it all.
I posted a picture of me in my underwear like two threads ago. Like I said, my bone structure is very petite, so while I am skinny, my body is also small.
I'm like a prepubescent asian girl
My bf invited me to come and spend part of the Christmas holidays with him and his family in Lillehammer. I'm kind of tempted but I have no money. I reckon it's amazing there during the winter.
I probably would't stay for Juledag. Just some time in December. I'm also worried that it would give him the impression I wanted to try a long distance relationship when I move back to the UK in December. We've spoken about this already and he knows I don't think it would work and he's told me that he thinks it would, but I think he respects my choice while remaining hopeful I'll change my mind. I'm worried that if I go to visit him at Christmas then he'll think I've changed my mind.
I would suck it so good that he would fall in love with me. I would start a life with him, move in together, make him want to marry me. But then on our wedding day, I would stand him up. I would send him a letter telling him that he's a fucking retard, that his dick tastes like shit and that he should kill himself. I would make him question his entire life, his sexuality, his very identity.
And then he would finally stop making videos.
his cute italian gf would never do this to him
>cute guy at uni keeps looking at you and approaches you to ask random questions every now and then
>looks really smart, always carrying books
>has gay voice
what do? :/ I kinda wanna ask him out but gay voice is such a turnoff
Babylon was built on fire
And the bones of useless machines
It hurt to breath
And you fell away from me
Packs of helicopters divide
Across a crowded sky
What angels did you ride
As I staggered at your side
I went with my dad to buy some paint, and on the way home I had an ailment, I don't know if it was the coffee or what, so I've slept most of the day. I also have to think hard about what I want my life to be like before monday for therapy, and some swizz/brazillian veterinarian that is 6 years younger than me started messaging me on grindr.
all in all a pretty weird friday.
Does gaygen watch CrashCourse?
Sometimes I'll leave the whole channel droning on for awhole day instead of music or anything while I work.
I think I'seen the history parts like over a dozen times now.
>and end up relearning stuff I forgot, even on the twelfth time
I'm watching the astronomy one atm, tho
When I was, briefly, in college, there was a guy about two computers away from me (because it was a media course) and he would just play endless bloody videos like that, never paying attention to a thing they said. One time he was playing the video on half his screen, while researching something on the other half, and listening to music on his phone. He drove me mental.
Well, him and my latent mental health issues.
Err, yeah, nice channel though.
I mean, geeze, okay.
Yeah, I couldn't pull that nonsense. Feels like someone hooked on stimulation.
It is though, innit?
I especially like the history parts. Some of the other courses are -waay- too intense to passively listen to, like the biology and chemistry courses. But literature or ecology or economy are nice.
And the political course is fun, too, but defs takes lots of re-listening for me to retain much.