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what does /lit/ think of saul alinsky
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Shitbag, but his tactics work.
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If he didn't write any memes I do not think about him whatsoever
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Rules for Radicals is the mighty whitey fantasy where a middle- to upper- class white guy, called "organizer", becomes the lord and master of the "have-nots", and directs them into political action by radicalizing them under the pretense of liberating them.

It's a very short book, and very dense, full of examples of successful and unsucessful rebellion.

The organizer needs curiosity, irreverence, imagination, a sense of humor, a bit of a blurred vision of a better world, an organized personality, he needs to be a
well-integrated political schizoid (because he must not be a true believer in his cause, he is only pretending to liberate people), and an ego, among other skills.

Alinksy writes like a short-sighted, power-tripping megalomaniac, particularly in the last chapter on the proxy tactic, which is a delusional escalation that resulted in the inevitable spectacular failure:

https://randomthots.org/2012/05/21/rules-for-radicals-by-saul-alinsky-the-genesis-of-tactic-proxy/

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Could we post some more of these? I'm going to post a bunch of them.
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http://itp.nyu.edu/varwiki/Syllabus/GameStudies-S09

G-guys, look at this NYU class. Look at who is required reading for class 10...
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Kierkegaard. Cool.
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Sounds like an interesting class desu
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>CTRL+F
>Stirner
>0 results
All memes aside, some Kierkegaard isn't a bad idea.

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Can first person work in a story? I'm writing a short 50 page novella on the residential schools in Canada. I'm a 3rd generation First Nation, who doesn't know much about it all except from learning it in university.

I know real friends who's grandparents had went through it -- I've heard stories. So the first person isn't really me, but rather it's the people I know who have experienced the repercussions of it all.

I can give an excerpt, but it's still in its first draft.

Anyway, does first person work if it's done well?
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>>8842454
It can work. Your subject matter is a hell of a story so please write it, however you must.
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>>8842454
Yes. I find great works are usually third-person, though.
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>>8842461
I say this because I want to personalize the story to the reader -- so much so that every time something tragic or traumatizing happens to the first person, it's as if it happens to the reader.

I want people to know how terrible it all was. I mean, I'm not doing first person willy nilly because I suck at writing (I probably do though), but rather I just want the readers to really experience what happened in those schools, and what happened to their children and their children's children because...
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Dasein= A Human

Am i wrong?
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>>8842378
Yes.
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Being there, here, out.
For H, the being (yourself) is something open, as opposed to the modern conception (muh alienation, muh self consciousness)
We depend on the being
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lad lsd lool

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Any similar works? Despair stories through humor with realistic characters.

Doesn't matter if they're fiction, just curious if there's something similar.
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>>>/co/
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>>8842433
I should have pointed out that I wasn't asking for comics, but any book in general.
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>>8842360
>make jews mice, germans cats- biological prey/predator

real deep
what animal were arab Palestinians?

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Similar books?
I really like the themes of murder and fucked up shit
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Anything by Poe
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>>8841912
The bear?
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>>8841919
Not Pooh.
Edgar Allan Poe

>the values of the herd should rule in the herd
what did he mean by this?
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Pretty unambiguous.
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You can tell how young lit is with the flooding of threads on babby's first philosopher.
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>>8841803
He's trying to make those with herd mentalities feel bad.

All of them.

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What book should I gift to someone to let them know my feelings towards them go beyond friendship?
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>>8841731
Friedrich Nietzsche - The Gay Science
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>>8841731
None because that's a pussy move
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>>8841739
Maybe OP's a chick or gay

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I have a one month winter break. I would like to start reading quality literature and I will go to /mu/ and start listening to quality music. I will also be speedwriting my first novel (YA).

I just want to be an emphatic and learned person. What else can I do? I don't like boring books... I'm someone who likes YA so Catcher in the Rye isn't hard and romance isn't, but I don't like dull books. HELP.
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>>8841608
Just take the redpill.

Come to /pol/ and join our ranks. We have all the answers, the untarnished Truth
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>that entire OP
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>>8841608
>become an intellectual
>I'm someone who likes YA
Choose one.
For the first, you'll want to start with the Greeks.

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where can i even find a copy of this damn book
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>>8841446

Next month
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>>8841446
Pretty sure you can get it digitally without much trouble. What do you need a physical one for?
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I found it at a library. If you do find it, good luck WIDE LOAD

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give me your comfiest recommendations
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Baudolino
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Murakami tbhfam
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Soseki's works are pretty comfy.
Also, a portrait of the artist as a young man is super fucking comfy.

HELP. I have to turn in an essay tomorrow morning in 5 hours and my friend reminded me just a few hours ago. If you guys could help that would be awesome. It can be on any subject but it just needs to be complex. If you could help you would be literally saving my future. Thanks in advance!
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the legacy of totalitarianism in a tundra is a good subject
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>>8841160
prompt i'm working on right now:
"How and why have artists during the last thirty years referred to modernist and/or postmodernist practices and principles"
good luck op

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>Google image search "Illustrated platinum edition"
>Pick one book cover

Holy kek I can't believe these exist
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>>8841157
we already have a thread basically dedicated to these
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Frank Frazetta's: The Illiad
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>>8841157
Holy shit I refuse to believe that this is a thing

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Would you recommend it?
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>>8841145
Nah, it's boring as fuck.
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Yeah. One of the funnier books I've read. Just read the Gospel of Matthew as a primer if you haven't (I knew the general story but wish I had read it before reading this)
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Yeah. One of the funnier books I've read. Just read Goethe's Faust as a primer if you haven't (I knew the general story but wish I had read it before reading this)

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I'm thinking of writing out Joyce's fart letters to Nora and addressing it to my girlfriend for Xmas. I'm going to write them to her and put it in her card that she will be opening in front of my family she has never met before.
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>>8840972
That sounds like a surprisingly problematic thing for a numale like you to do.
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>>8840972
Bruh who this Jimmy Neutron looking ass nigga!
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>>8840974
lol

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I'm new to /lit so I I just want some opinions on this shitty and sappy poem I got the inspiration to write. I'm not too concerned about someone stealing it.

I really used to dread the future.
But now that we're together, it doesn't seem so bad.

I thought I'd be dead in the next five years. But now it seems like a distant end.

I never thought I could go anywhere I pleased.
But you take me to far away places without leaving the house.

I assumed life was just achieving one thing and moving on to the next.
But I...
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>>8840857
what
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>>8840865
It's about me im her boyfriend.
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>>8840865
Just some shitty shit I wrote

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Never been on /lit/ before, but have a pretty straightforward and quick question I can't seem to find much on. I'm getting an e-reader for Christmas and haven't been into reading in quite some time. Is there a similar way to acquire books and the e-reader versions besides buying the book twice?

I was thinking similar to how buying a vinyl copy of an album usually comes with a digital code to also download that version of the album. It would be nice to have a physical collection of books to read while I'm at home while having a kindle to take the books...
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>>8840828
Yeah, check the sticky.
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>>8840835
Speaking of stickies
>they've all still got the Halloween CSS
Fucking Nips can't code for shit
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>>8840835
OP here, checked the sticky and didn't see much but I checked again and see what you mean. Thanks for the quick response, guess my reading really does need some improvement.

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Why did I wait this long to read Woolf? The >female authors meme is officially debunked
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>>8840725
why would you ever for a second believe a meme so clearly stupid
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>>8840725
good job senpai. now you're ready to explore some other great lit without prejudice. look into:

flannery oconnor - everything rises must converge
ursula k leguin - left hand of dankness
willa cather - death comes for the archbishop
charlotte bronte - jane eyre
shirley jackson - haunting of hill house

to start.
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>>8840725
>>8840735

and more

Kate Chopin - The Awakening
Dodie Smith - I Capture the Castle
all of the brontes, austen, woolf, eliot
Edith Wharton - House of Mirth

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>I can still tend the rabbits, George? I didn't mean no harm, George.

What books make tears happen?
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http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/34030960/sam-venable-santa-grants-a-final-wish-to-a-tn-boy
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>>8840708
To kill a mockingbird...and bridge to terabithia (sp?)
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>>8840708
when orr was pleading with yoss to fly with him

:(

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Any tips on writing suicide notes?

Poetic or formal? Emotional or logical? Right or left brain?
Worth going for a daring synthesis if not very experienced with writing?
Appropriate to show many people beforehand?

http://pastebin.com/DkpCrqEH

This is a rough draft. Apologies if it is of poor quality, currently probably dying, not very well educated and haven't done any formal writing in quite a while. pls r88 out of 14 ty,

Whether the death will be symbolic or actual will likely probably be left for natural nature to decide, but that's...
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dont die OP
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>that song list
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you're either trying to sound way to smart or you're autistic enough to actually talk/write like this. Just be logical, dont show it to anyone or else they'll call suicide prevention and you'll end up in the psych ward

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Do I have to share my writing with other people to become a good writer? i.e. is it necessary to workshop my shit? Are there any examples of writers who never shared there writing with anyone, or barely anyone, but still became good writers? I'm asking because I fucking hate sharing my writing with anyone at all: I would probably rather just strip nude in front of them.
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ill read your writing OP as long as it's good
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>>8840666
nah fuck you my main man no offense
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>>8840651
bump :/

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Hello /lit/, what's your average reading speed? Do you know any way of increasing your reading speed and ways of dealing with procrastination?
I have huge interest in literature, but I have horrible procrastination habits and even if I want to read something badly, I still don't do it.
Tips on getting reading habits?
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I became an avid reader like three months ago and I can't stop. I stopped watching tv and I don't spend much time on 4chan anymore.

Here's how I did it.

-Remember the average person reads like zero books a year. If you read 5 pages a day, you are 5 pages above the average person

-Don't force yourself to read. Commit to read 5 pages a day. I swear after three days you'll feel like reading more and after a month or so you should be reading 50-100 pages a day for pleasure

-Read various books at the same time. When I grab a difficult...
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>>8840608
pick up a book and read it

and sage your reply
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>>8840622
OP here, interesting point, i`ll sure test it out, I really want to study more since i'm already motivated, thinking on actually uninstall league and deactivate my facebook (main sources of procrastination), maybe i'm addicted already.
Still open to more tips and POVs

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Anyone else tired of the critique that X book is bad because it offers no solutions? Welcome to the real world, kiddo, there aren't no solutions here
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>>8840589
Even Pepe has had enough of it

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>>8840589
yeah i agree it almost always adds more mystery to it and makes the reader think for themselves how the story ends etc.
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>>8840589
But on the other hand, if all you do is complain then it just gets annoying. I can get behind this defense if the complaints are at least novel and well-articulated but if it's the same stuff that's been addressed by other authors ad nauseum then either offer some solutions or shut up.

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Post some of your favorite quotes from books.

>Ender's Shadow, page 87

"Bean had seen older, bigger kids who hated younger ones because they were competition for food, and drove them away, not caring if they caused the little ones to die. He had felt real blows, meant to hurt. He had seen cruelty, exploitation, molestation, murder. These other kids didn't know love when they saw it."
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No one's got favorite quotes?
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I have tons that I've saved in a word file and read over when I'm in the mood.

Here's Anna Karenina: "If one must forgive, it must be entire forgiveness."

Oedipus at Colonus:
"Show me a man who longs to live a day beyond his time
who turns his back on a decent length of life,
I'll show the world a man who clings to folly.
For the long, looming days lay up a thousand things
closer to pain than pleasure, and the pleasures disappear,
you look and know not where
when a man's outlived his limit, plunged...
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https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/866393-gravity-s-rainbow?page=1

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Can you guys recommend me some good horror books?
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>>8840512
My autobiography(diary) desu
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Algernon Blackwood's The Wendigo is a comfy creepy immersive trip into the woods.

Stephen King's Pet Semetary is probably his best book. As such, it is surely one of the best horror novels.

Richard Matheson's The Incredible Shrinking Man is a short, very potent, vividly written horror novel. When I first started to read it, I was in a bad frame of mind and I couldn't continue, because the horrific overtones of the protagonist's existential circumstances were just too disturbing.

So has anyone here actually read this entire thing unabridged? What did you learn?
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>>8840470
yes. i kept a copy by my bedside for about 5 months and read it daily. usually on waking rather than at night. this will be confused but here goes.

aside from the practical consideration that the nyrb one volume reprint isn't a good edition and it's better to spring for the folio society 3 volume (or the old out of print modern library edition the folio is based on), i enjoyed watching a mind at work in processing and shaping everything that enters it into something that matches its needs and preoccupations....
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The dude rambles a lot and looses track of his thought often. That's why this book is so long imo. But I guess you could argue this is somehow a positive thing.
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>>8840515
Thank you for your thoughtful post. What version do you reccomend?

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long but good, ill start
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>>8840210
my dick desu
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>>8840210
who gives a fuck, delete this thread
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>>8840210

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this poem is titled "timshel"


I sink into the wall,
And staring up i saw,
Im alone in all my thoughts,
Too afraid to be crazy i run,
It always finds me driving right through town,
With the windows down i fly,
Its the feeling spring has brought,
But an eye for the winter's what i got,
It always finds me...

So tonight,
When i left here,
All i said was goodbye and thats alright,
No "i'll see you later",
I've been trying my whole life,
And if its an eye for an eye why cant i get this right,
Im...
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>>8840201
Didn't read it. Sounded gay.
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>>8840201
Who is that and why does it look like Chloe Moretz?
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>>8840201
10/10 pic OP

>>8841580
lurk more on /tv/

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http://www.alittlelessstupid.com/index.php/2016/12/13/best-selling-books-time/
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Are you sure? /lit/ told me she was talentless
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>>8840188
and McDonald's has the bestselling food in the world
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>>8840192
>marketshare equals quality

Do you also consider McDonalds the best restaurant?


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