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Is it good? And are this authors other books good? I like the sound of grippy conspiracy theory books but it looks like Reddit-tier autistic scifi.
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>trippy*
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>>8721510
I consider it quite formative.

Start with The Illuminatus Trilogy. It is certainly trippy, and laid a foundation for a lot of conspiracy stuff that came later. There are a lot of Robert Anton Wilson lectures available online. Listen to what he has to say, if it resonates with you, you will like his writing.

>Reddit-tier

I wouldn't know, I've never been.
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>>8721510

this one was weaker than Masks of the Illuminati and Illuminatus

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Who are some writers from the 20th century that were associated with the Modernist movement, but weren't really categorised as Modernists?

I can think of Wallace Stevens, Ernest Hemingway and F Scott Fitzgerald
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>>8721480

How was Wallace Stevens not a modernist? Especially his later poems concerned so much with epistomology. His poesy was cultured by a love of everything oriental as well, and was almost as much of a japanophobe as Pound. He was one of the poster children for "make it new".

Hemingway and Fitzgerald I can see, but there are different brands of "modernism" which are distinct from the Woolf and Proust legacy.
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Modernism is a very loose concept. A good /lit/ thread could be made out of attempts to define modernism, actually.
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>>8721583
I think you meant to say "japanophile".

Also, Beckett and Nabokov.

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Does /lit/ subscribe to or read any quarterly/yearly lit publications? I've been searching for a while for these - to discover new authors and read interesting things and keep up with contemporary literature/"the scene", which I tend to ignore - but I have no clue what's well respected or generally good.

Just today I found that my local BnN carries a few (Raritan, TLR, The Paris Review, Popshot).

So which (not necessarily from the above list) literature publications does /lit/ follow?
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The White Review is p rad but for a subscription in America it costs like twice as much as Paris Review so i just snipe random issues off ebay.
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London Review of Books
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I use to subscribe to Monthly Review back in the Bush era, it's great for Marxist stuff, not really literature so much, but since everyone around here is a fucking commie might as well mention it, not to mention a year subscription of 12 issues is like $20

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How does one become a /lit/ NEET?
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>>8721432
can someone do this for me plz


plz
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>>8721432
Step 1 - Don't be employed
Step 2 - Don't be pursuing education
Step 3 - Don't be training to be employed
Step 4 - Shitpost on /lit/ but i see u got that covered
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>>8721432
download literature instead of anime, and then read the literature. yes, any is fine

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Is anyone else bothered by Nietzsche's lack of proof? I think that he is right about a lot of things, and I know that Nietzsche himself scorned the whole scientific, objective idea of truth as being the best type of truth, because he believed that we are never motivated by a thing-in-itself (and thus will not find knowledge-in-itself) but always a type of will.. but I often wish that he had more evidence to back up his claims. I'm a sort of philosophy noob, having only read the Greeks, some Kant and Nietzsche, but does philosophy for the most part come straight out of self-reflection like Nietzsche's philosophy? Is there not more logical proof for it? Whenever I read philosophy, it seems like the philosophers are asserting things straight out of their own minds, without going through a more logical way of building up their philosophy from the ground up (i.e. starting with an undoubtable truth and then building logically up from their). There seem to be so many presuppositions that I can't help but feel skeptical. Pls no hate, I'm not trying to disregard Nietzsche: I'm just assuming that my philosophical inexperience is making me blind to something.
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>>8721423
you haven't read Kant, why lie?
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Nietzsche isn't a "philosopher" he was a classical philologist.
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>>8721430
Well I've only read the SEP thing in prep for Nietzsche, so I apologize for lying.

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Name some of your favorite literary film adaptions.
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>>8721416
Bela Tarr's Satantango
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Diary of a Country Priest, The Secret Garden, the 2005 Pride and Prejudice, The Makioka Sisters

I'm not really a movie person t b h
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Philip K Dick adaptations tend to make good films. Minority Report, Blade Runner, A Scanner Darkly...

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Where is art going?
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Stop reifying me!
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>>8721357
nowhere, art has been arriven
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the art of New Populism is literarily memes, with pepe "the nazi frog" now destined for the art history textbooks, i say this is pretty fuckin' rad thbqh wit u famalam

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I realize it's popular to shit on reddit royalty, but is anyone else particularly bothered by the pale blue dot speech by Sagan? It's just plain old nihilism / will-negation, no?
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>>8721352
It is written from the perspective of the vastness of space, which can make humanity seem trivial by comparison. It is certainly psychedelic.
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>>8721352

>It's just plain old nihilism / will-negation

Whatever you feel as a consequence of that perspective, you can't deny that perspective is reality.
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>>8721379
My point was along the lines of he's saying nothing new and something that's been wrestled with for centuries, but people make it seem like it's salient. We didn't need an actual picture of Earth to get the impression of a meaningless universe. There's been better answers than "let's just avoid all suffering since nothing matters".

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What is the best edition of Ulysses?
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>>8721295
One that is burning. Joyce (inveterate alcoholic and failed doctor) shall entice you to sin. Find a bible, son. You need it.
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>>8721318

this

also, Vintage Classics or Penguin Modern Classics
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Is the Penguin annotated student edition good?

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Bout to read this, what y'all bout to read.
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I'm in between books while the fucking mail takes its sweet ass time
Currently anxiously awaiting Zama by Antonio di Benedetto
Super excited to read it
Supposed to arrive Tuesday but the order tracking says it's already in my city so hopefully it gets here tomorrow
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>>8721303
http://www.nyrb.com/collections/classics/products/zama
Looks good I might check it out.
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>>8721347
Yea the translation just came out at the end of august and I meant to get it earlier but completely forgot

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Why do so many young people seem to antibook or antireading?
I constantly hear things like;
>I'm not a book person
>I'm just not into reading
>I can't get into the stories

Like, are these people just intellectually fucked? I know plenty of seemingly intellectual people who are non-readers, is their intellect all a ruse?
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>>8721281
they aren't socialized to read on their own time but they still feel guilty about it and need to come up with hand-wavy reasons for why they dont because theyre miserable wrecks tormented by inconsistent and conflicting ideals on all sides
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>>8721293
Sides? Yeah, I'll have Italian Wedding soup, please.
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>>8721293
Haha hell yeah, I was young, I felt this once.

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How does copypasta influence to evolution of literature taste in our community?
Why do so many people them to be hilarious? It's not really bait and switch, in this case.
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I live in an isolated cabin the Pacific northwest. One sunny Summer afternoon I was out chopping wood when I was accosted by a full grown female grizzly bear. She pinned me down and by force, made me suckle her teats. I realize now that she must have had cubs that were killed and now she was aching to be milked. With no choice, I obliged, and suckled every last drop of bear milk that my trembling lips could manage. When that deed was done, I feared she would maul me to death, but instead, she ripped off my dungarees with her jaws and forcefully fellated me. There was nothing...
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Reminds me of that time when I was at SeaWorld and got a chance to swim with the killer whales. One of them tugged down my board shorts and forcefully gave me fellatio with its gigantic tongue. Sure it was wrong, but noone dared stop it. Those things are huge. The tongue was very pink and soft and warm. The behemoth used its teeth too, but in a gentle, playful manner. I became a man that day, for better or for worse. I returned to the water park but a few years ago. I attended the show of the beast in question. Front row seats. In between tricks i perchanced to glance at the...
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It was a cold Autumn day when the spider came to me. My house is big and old and every year there's spiders all over it around this time, but this year it was different, for normally the spiders hide in corners and dark holes from monsters like me. But this year as I was cleaning I sat down to rest, shirtless and without any underwear beneath my pants as is the tradition in my family, and this spider came out from nowhere and started using her tiny legs to massage my sheathed dick. Her many eyes watched me and I watched her and it was strange but neither of us had any words...
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Why is music and painting and even film making considered cool, but writing is relegated to the realm of autism?

Even non pretentious shit is considered gay.

I'm talking about on an individual level, on Facebook and instagram and shit.

Writing is just not lauded as a 'cool' art form.
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Who fucking cares what proles think?
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>>8721184
This is an incredibly underage post, but it's because it's not easy to show off your literary tastes. Songs, painting, it's a quick glance, quick picture or clip: "that's artsy, woah", but reading involves hundreds of pages read in solitude.
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>>8721198
But like my insta is filled with cool poems and digestible snippets of text, but I'll never get as many likes as the DJ who posted his latest mix

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Has any book ever made you cry?
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One time I was reading Ayn Rand in bed and I dropped it on my testicles
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>>8721159

t. contrarian
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Bump 'cause I want to cry, too.

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“Her antiquity in preceding and surviving succeeding tellurian generations: her nocturnal predominance: her satellitic dependence: her luminary reflection: her constancy under all her phases, rising and setting by her appointed times, waxing and waning: the forced invariability of her aspect: her indeterminate response to inaffirmative interrogation: her potency over effluent and refluent waters: her power to enamour, to mortify, to invest with beauty, to render insane, to incite to and aid delinquency: the tranquil inscrutability of her visage: the terribility of her isolated...
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You just value different things because you're a slave. Enjoy analytic philosophy
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Are you blind? There's only one full stop, it's genius.
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>>8721110

It's not the same if you don't have the preceding question:
>What special affinities appeared to him to exist between the moon and woman?

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How do I become a writer?
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>>8721083
Read, write.
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>>8721085
fpbp

It really is true.

proofreaders, editors, Agents, cover-artists, publicists, publishers, and all that other shit is really incidental.
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>>8721083
what is that image from?

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How do I gather the courage to just drop everything and move to Maine so that I can finally dedicate myself to writing literature?
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>>8721072
Are you the same guy who posted about his fantasies in which he got a gf first, _and then_ moved to Maine to write lit?

What is it about Maine? The lobster is tasty, but the winters are brutal and the citizens are clannish.
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>>8721077
>Are you the same guy who posted about his fantasies in which he got a gf first, _and then_ moved to Maine to write lit?

Yeah, that's me, friend.

>What is it about Maine?

Well, New England has always interested me. And incidentally, I figured Maine is the best state there because its the northern most state, bears great nature, has an abundance of sea shore and lobsters, and contains a low population. To be honest, I don't know...
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>>8721146
Extremely over idealist.

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I'm convinced so many anons like Dostoevsky because they can relate to his /r9k/ness.
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>>8720972

>theirfw Dosto was only r9k ironically, in that one book
>and in The Double
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>>8720990
An ugly poor engineer that can't relate to r9k thoughts in at least one point of his early life? please. cmon now. wow
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>>8720972
or cuz he wuz human af.

wuzzit matter if someone else likes him?

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You know the drill, but try only to post on books featured on the /lit/ starter kit so we can see who can pull it off funnier on these. Only OC of course, we are in serious need of new ones circulating.
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>putting ugly tits on my screen
Thanks OP.
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>>8720892
I the "What I Expected" panel for Catcher supposed to represent young hipster cred and pretentiousness?

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Hi, /lit/. I want to get back into reading. Recommend me 5 of your favorite books.
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Finnegans Wake
Larva - Rios
Replacement - Tor Ulven
The Tunnel - Gass
A Brand Face New - Hillgert
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>>8720833
Epic of Gilgamesh
If on a Winter's Night a Traveler
The Crying of Lot 49
The Tempest
Faerie Queene
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Stoner
The Odyssey
The Trial
Mysteries
Missing Person

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>Be a Philosophy Major

>All my philosophy professors think Hegel is Crap

Why is this?
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>>8720831
Because he is, obviously.
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Analytics think everything is crap if it isn't outdated Logical Atomism 4 Kids
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>>8720831
Read some Schopenhauer, fagit. What are you, zizek?

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Do you agree with "art for art's sake"?

Personally I think it's a bullshit
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It's like a physicist saying "do you agree stuff is what it is?"

Kind of need more detail to tease out what exactly is meant by "art for art's sake"
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No but I don't totally discount "art" that is labeled like that. I just take it at face value, do I like it, if so then I'm fine with it existing. If not, I couldn't care less
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Friedrich Nietzsche claimed that there is no art for art’s sake. He asked: "…what does all art do? does it not praise? glorify? select? highlight? By doing all this it strengthens or weakens certain valuations….Art is the great stimulus to life: how could one understand it as purposeless, as aimless, as l'art pour l'art?”

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fight me
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>all that money spent on those shit books

And they're all in the same universe, too, aren't they?
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Well, books, and specially /tg/ related books, are not the mark of someone that is physically threatening, so yes, I will fight you.
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I'm jealous, a lot of those books look well worn.
being able to completely absorb yourself into a universe is great but also being able to get into in depth conversations with other neckbeards when you're playing the game must be bliss.
I'd just feel like im wasting time i could be spending reading literature if i tried to read those.

The only one I can think of is Mason & Dixon.
(oh and abraham lincoln jew hunter)

Any other good ones?
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Gore Vidal: Lincoln, Burr
Anthony Burgess: Nothing Like the Sun (Shakespeare)
Colm Toibin: The Master (Henry James)
Marguerite Yourcenar: Memoirs of Hadrian
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>>8720775
damn these all look boring as fuqq
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I, Claudius - Graves
Alias Grace - Atwood
The Blue Flower - Fitzgerald
Margaret the First - Dutton
The Temptation of Saint Anthony - Flaubert
Helena - Waugh
The Fifth Queen - Ford
Wolf Hall - Mantel

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new thread for /lit/ pics
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Where should I start with Butler?
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Gender Trouble
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Start by taking any books you have of hers and throwing them into the trash. No discernible talent, don't waste your time.
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By tying the noose.

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Why do humans need sacrifice?
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We don't explicitly need sacrifice. Fuck dogmatically needing sacrifice.
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>>8720500

You must serve yourself more than others then.
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>>8720496
You're thinking of sacrifice as an appeasement to a God, or deity, when this sacrifice is one of natural order.

The rule of Nature is death. Predator consuming prey. Might is right, the weak fear the strong, etc...

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What is /lit/'s opinion on Evola? Just ordered Revolt Against the Modern World and Ride the Tiger. Am I in for the ultimate iron pill?
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I am mid-way through Yoga of Power, and it has really helped my meditation and orgasms.

True story.
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He's de Maistre for larping plebieans.
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>>8720409
I was an evolian for some months but it is just a sad, grumpy philosophic position.

Evola just needed to go to the beach for once in his lifetime, fall in love or something.

Don't waste your time with masturbatory esoterisms, just go full Catholic already.

>want to read KJV Bible
>it's to hard

Help.
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>>8720278
Read the New King James instead, it's like the KJV but they hold your hand and pat your head
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What could possibly be too hard about it?
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>too hard
Try this http://lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

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gimme some recs. basically looking for cathartic stuff. or just hey-here-are-some-reasons-to-live in novel form.

youre all probably just gonna tell me to kill myself anyway but i thought i'd give it a shot.

thank
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Ego and his Own cures depression.
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>>8720272
>do whatever you want bro it always works for me xP
How the fuck am I supposed to know what I want to do?
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>>8720286
You already know you don't want to read the fucking book and understand what Stirner was actually all about, so that's a start.


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