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Can someone please please post the link of the edited video of Zizek giving a tour of his house.

You know. The "it's not just clothes" one.
Please.
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Do you mean the interview he did with Vice?

https://youtu.be/XS_Lzo4S8lA
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>>8712740
Nah that ain't it :(
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I wish that image didn't get fucked up so badly. Zizek hasn't said "my god" his entire life. The image would be funnier if it said "my gott" or something closer to the way he actually speaks. Zizek saying it so plainly loses all immersion, because of this I feel shaken rather than having a quick rooty tooty laugh with yooty.

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/lit/, which Platonic dialogues are essential?

I just finished reading Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Phaedo, and now am reading Cratylus. Only Euthyphro so far seems worthwhile. I know Phaedo is famous for being the first work of metaphysics but the arguments in that work and the others besides Euthyphro all seem so weak or muddled.

Besides Republic which seems like a must, what others are essential and should be read?
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>>8712687
all of them
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>>8712687
The Theaetetus is really great
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>>8712691
No

Crito is shit. Full stop.

>>8712692
I went through the list and this seems like the ones that would be worth it.

Euthyphro
Gorgias
Hippias Major
Laches
Protagoras
Euthydemus
Meno
Parmenides
Phaedrus
Republic
Symposium
Theaetetus
Sophist
Timaeus
Philebus

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ITT: failed poets
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Nietzsche
kierkegaard
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>>8712256
me t b h
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>>8712256
Mina Loy is the greatest failure.

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I have minor synesthesia, and weird books are fun to read. I have this and Zettel. What are some others that are distinctly weird?
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The Parallax View by Slavoj Zizek.
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>>8712078
>synesthesia
what does that mean? its probably something i could have
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>>8712093
its kind of like having your senses overlap
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia
i get vague tactile feelings when reading or listening to music (well really listening to most things) and I find myself associating words and sounds with colors frequently.

>>8712091
Will try it out!

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find a flaw
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>>8711677
hey op is this the matrix guy
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>>8711677
>Died too soon
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>>8711695
das rite

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>age
>location
>your three favorite books you read this year
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what makes you think i read 3 books
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>>8710902
>22
>Hell
>Amerika
>Franny and Zooey
>Crime and Punishment
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>25
>Austin, TX
>Jerusalem, Stoner, Memories of the Future

ITT: Post a quick 2-5 sentence long story with an ambitious end and rate others
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*ambiguous
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>>8709021
There was something human like in the filmic mirage of that parkway image. Something embryonic or larval in those large sculptures of semi-truck slinking across the freeway floor. There must have been eighteen or twenty-five of them, all in a row. I was coming back from the “Distributor’s” motel room when I saw it.
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Walking along the path scattered with dried orange leaves, I suddenly realize I'm starving. The sun is setting on my left and a bank of trees expands forward on my right, pulling my path inwards, out of sight. A brisk wind blows and a wave of bright fresh green and yellow blows across in front of me and I drop my cigarette. I adjust myself, inhale and sigh, for this is the day in which all of my bad behavior has finally caught up.

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When will the French be seen as the true charlatans they are?

>Alain Badiou
>Simone de Beauvoir
>Henri Bergson
>Pierre Bourdieu
>Albert Camus
>Gilles Deleuze
>René Descartes
>Jacques Derrida
>Michel Foucault
>Jean-François Lyotard
>Maurice...
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>>8708165

I agree with you, but

A) Political philosophers like Rousseau and Montesquieu contributed greatly to the development of modern western civilization, and Descartes was both a major philosopher and major scientist (you can almost say the same about Pascal, although he was a theologian-scientist with great prose, not a philosopher)

B) German philosophy is as bad or worse. The only good philosophy in German are the economists of Austria. We only think of the French as Charlatans because they have produced...
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>>8708165
brainlet
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>>8708165
Which philosophers would you recommend ?

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Serious question: have any of you read this, and if you have, does it relate to tonight's events?
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He paid a team of writers to publish this shit but lmao meme magic is real praise kek heil trump good guys win etc etc
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Trump has no attention span, he can't read. 'Make my name bigger on the cover'

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all
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>>8708048
>lmao meme magic is real praise kek heil trump good guys win etc etc

kys

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what's on your mind
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>>8707536
where is my mind
where is my mind
where is my mind
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myassitchesihopeiwipedenoughohgoodtheelectionisalmostoverineedtobuysomecoughdropsihave50percentoffcouponforthebookstorethisweekendtheyneverhaveanyjohnpassosiheardhewasfriendswithhemmingwayihavesomanyofhisbooksbutihaventreadallofthemwelliboughtthemallatonceatthatyardsaleillgetaroundtothematsomepointthereisonemoreguinnessinthefridgeiwonderifitstruethatstoutisgoodwarmishouldtrythatsometimeitsbeenrainingalldayilikethesmellbuttheleavesareallsticky

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How do you write a gay character?
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make them say FAAAAABULOUS! a lot
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>>8706966
you write him as a massive fucking faggot
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It's easier to write what you know so you should probably go suck some cocks.

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>dostoyevsky
>not doijstoivskii
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>>8714700
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>>8714700
That's a pretty weird way to spell Dōstœyeffskey

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What music would /lit/ recommend for reading Sartre?

I just boutgh Nausea, an want to know what music fits best with either the book or Sartre's style or both.
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>>8714644
I do'nt enjoy music.
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>>8714656
>do'nt
What did he mean by this?
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>>8714644
i never listen to music while i read. if i were to id listen to ambient stuff. just read the book

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Just wondering if you guys have any tips.

I really like literature and the experience of being gripped by a very good book, but I am really struggling with a really poor attention span and the ability to commit to reading.

I think this is partly due to spending so much time on the internet where everything is presented in easily digestible chunks and the fact that I did not see the value in literature when taught it in high school.

Now uni student and want to catch up on all the shit I've missed, but even though I really like a book I have trouble sticking...
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>>8714620
Find a good reading spot with no distractions and cozy environment

Read novellas to get into the habit of reading to completion

Read what you want to read, not what we tell you to read. The inertia of interest will pull you through a book but the interest of seeming smart will turn anything into a slog. Reading pulpy trash still exercises the brain for reading

Read short story collections

Have page goals or chapter goals and do your best to meet them consistently

Don't read like...
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>>8714633

Thanks for the novella tip, had not thought of that before.

I'm definitely not reading "what you tell me to read", and I view reading as a very private activity.

My favorite stuff as of late has been Slaughterhouse Five, The Unbearable Lightness of Being, The Crow Road, and the short stories of Ian McEwan. Might you possibly have any recommendations of works that might help build up the habit of reading consistently given these?

This is basically reaffirming my suspiscion that...
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Enid Blyton's work is pretty good if you have a short attention span. "Shadow the Sheep Dog" contains moments of true emotion.

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Who is America's greatest literary critic? For me it's a tie between Harold Bloom and William Gass, with Gass slightly edging out.

>In general, I would think that at present prose writers are much in advance of the poets. In the old days, I read more poetry than prose, but now it is in prose where you find things being put together well, where there is great ambition, and equal talent. Poets have gotten so careless, it is a disgrace. You can’t pick up a page. All the words slide off.

He so wonderfully elucidates my exact feelings.
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>>8714594
>Poets have gotten so careless, it is a disgrace
Because there's very little, if any, financial incentive in poetry.
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>for me its a tie
>Gass slightly edging out
DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN LOOK AT THE DRIVEL YOU WRITE HOLY FUCK
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>>8714712
haha you said "edging" *spews milk out of nose*

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>“I AM WHAT I AM.” That’s marketing’s final offering to the world, the final stage of
advertising’s evolution, beyond, far beyond, all the exhortations to be different, to be
yourself, and drink Pepsi. It took decades of concepts to get there, to that pure
tautology, to “I = I.” He’s running on a treadmill in front of the mirror in his gym...
she’s coming back from work, flying down the road in her Smart car. Will they
meet?
“I AM WHAT I AM.” My body belongs to me. I am me, you are you, and it’s not
going...
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>>8714484
Babbys first disillusionment with the modern world
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>It’s such a usurpation to call this mass of foreigners we live among a “society” that
even the sociologists have lately been thinking of giving up the concept, one that for
a century has been their big bread-winner. Now they’re starting to prefer using the
metaphor “network” to describe the manner in which these cybernetic requests
connect to each other, the way that the weak interactions known by the names
“workmate,” “contact,” “buddy,” “relations,” or “adventure” are knotted together. Just
the same, it happens that these networks get distilled into a milieu, where nothing
is shared but codes, and nothing is at stake besides the incessant reconstruction of
an identity.
It’d be a waste of time to detail all that’s dying in existing social relations. It’s said
that the family is back in, that couples are returning to the scene. But the family
that’s returned is not the same family that went away. Its return is nothing but a
deepening of the reigning separation; it just serves to fool people and it becomes
itself through that deception. Everyone can bear witness to the doses of sadness
that the family reunions ladle out from one year to the next: the forced smiles, that
embarrassment at seeing everyone fake it in vain, the feeling that there’s a corpse
lying there on the table, and that everyone’s acting like it’s nothing. From flirting to
divorce, from living together to getting back together, everyone feels the inanity of
the sad family nucleus, but the majority seem to feel that it would be even sadder to
give it up. The family is no longer so much the asphyxiation of the maternal
stranglehold or the patriarchy of cookies in your face, but the infantile abandonment
to a fleecy dependency where everything is known, to a moment of carelessness in
a world that no one can deny is crumbling, a world where “becoming independent” is
a euphemism for “finding a boss to work for.” They’d like to use biological familiarity
as an excuse to corrode any slightly destructive determination we might have about
us, on the pretext that they watched us grow up; to make us resign ourselves to
growing out of everything, like we grew out of our childlike seriousness. We must
save ourselves from this corrosion.
The couple is like the final echelon in the great social debacle. It’s the oasis in the
middle of the human desert. In it we seek all the divine tokens of the “intimate,”
everything that’s so obviously gone from contemporary social relations: warmth,
simplicity, truth, a life without theatrics or spectators. But once the euphoria of love passes, “intimacy” loses its priestly office: it too is a social invention, it speaks the
language of women’s magazines and of psychology, and it is just as nauseatingly
armored with strategies as all the rest. There’s no more truth there than there is
anywhere else; there too lies and the laws of foreignness dominate.
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>>8714496
cont.
>And when
luckily some truth is found there, it brings up a division that deranges the very form
of the couple itself. What makes people love each other is also what makes them
friendly and ruins the utopia of autism for two.

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Apart from Mein Kampf, what are the "basics" of fascist literature? Please refrain from ideological discussion in answering, I just want a reading list.
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I can't find anything on google, please help, /lit/.
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>>8714483
Mein Kampf isn't fascist; it's national socialist.
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>implying you understand mk

go read nietzsche in a fascist way.

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Thoughts on Don Dellilo?
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haha those wrestlers are posing like a religious painting haha
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>>8714223
Yeah pic unrelated, looking for anons thoughts on Don Dellilo
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>>8714280
should've used a Delilo pic.

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Just finished pic related. What did /lit/ think of it? I dug it.
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>>8714138
>thinking /lit/ reads memeakami
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has no one read this?
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Read Dance Dance Dance, it's loosely related to this and I liked it a lot more.

Then get done with Murakami cause he basically writes the same book time and again

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Which character is supposed to be depicted here?
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Says right by his shoe, a satirical depiction of Bloom.
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>>8713924
it really shows how publishers dont even read or understand their books. the way they sold it was shit as well.
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>>8713924
Quirrel?

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>Let 'em shine /lit/
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>>8713915
Here is your template. We won't judge you...kek.
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>>8713915
Are you out your fucking mind boyo
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>>8713915
Have have to balls to point this out

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Do you drink and read. What do you drink? What do you read?
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Water to keep me from sleeping, coffee because I like it. Can't drink alcohol because of allergy, so I just get stoned most of the time.
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Drink: Litrosas of Sagres
Read: /luso/
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>>8713851
No, drinking is degenerate

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How long did it take you to realize that everything you write in this site is something that the mind is telling you about yourself?
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woah...
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>>8713813
Less time than it took me to realize that you're a newfag
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my diarrhea, f.a.m?

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What books will you bring to the trump 'rehabilitation' camps /lit/?
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>>8713778
I don't think I'll have time to read during my shifts in the guard tower
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>>8713791
Lmao
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>>8713791
>>8713798
HAHAHAH trump is going to mass genocide Spanish, LGBT, African Americans, Jews and Islamic people! ITS SO FUNNY!

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Is he /ourguy/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b05eUnljnkE
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Man I remember watching this guy years ago.
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>>8713593
>not ''is he, dare I say it, our guy''
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>The Stranger
>Top three
>Infinite Jest
>Number one
/lit/ personified, definitely.

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Can a modern writer ever be truly anonymous?

Can they ever hide their biography completely, apart from guesses based on their work?
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>>8713590
it wasnt me :^)
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Maybe if they self published somewhere online. But I think that if you had any amount of success and were actually published then it'd eventually come out since obviously your publishers would know who you were.
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>>8713646
>since obviously your publishers would know who you were.
Is that necessarily always the case?

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So this Rousseau retard really thought that pre-social man was peaceful? What was wrong with him?
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>>8713543
>The investigations we may enter into, in treating this subject, must not be considered as historical truths, but only as mere conditional and hypothetical reasonings, rather calculated to explain the nature of things, than to ascertain their actual origin; just like the hypotheses which our physicists daily form respecting the formation of the world.

Literally the first page, you retarded nigger.
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>>8713555
Historical or hypothetical it makes no difference. This is not natural man.
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>>8713543
Natural man could only posses so much, so necessarily depended more on close cooperation

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Is there anything in classic literature that will relieve the need for catharsis that is typically supplied by modern media? Will I ever feel the artery in my neck throb with excitement while in the midst of a well written novel? Before i'm called a pleb, i'm a lover of literature in general, but i do occasionally miss the feeling of cheering on an underdog in a pulp action film, or watching a crude anime with magical forces clashing. I've tried things like Orlando Furioso, but they don't quite cut the mustard. Just curious if anyone shares in this plight,...
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>>8713522
ah well.
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Nah literature isnt really for that
Try music
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>>8713611
i can't cheer for an underdog in music. i really don't think you understand, but that's okay.

Why did he have to die?
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>>8713463
Go back to your containment thread
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Because it was easier to get attention through killing off all the characters than by writing well.
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>>8713463
To leave a place for more "interesting" characters. Say what you like about GRRM's writing but someone like that would probably get assassinated in irl medieval Europe.

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Where do I start with this guy?
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Meltdown is a decent overview
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>>8713797
thanks

bump
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>>8713392

start with the moldbug

https://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/01/gentle-introduction-to-unqualified.html


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