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Do you like reading outdoors? Have any interesting experiences related to it? I recently tried venturing to a nearby park to spice things up, but and it wasn't half bad. I was wary of people coming up to me asking WHATCHA READIN, but that thankfully didn't happen.
>soft rustling of leaves and the hum of the highway a couple blocks over make for good background white noise
>have to hold the book a little funny so that pages wouldn't turn in the wind
>every time after turning...
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>>8706265
fuck no, i read in my bed
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It's great in theory, but I get very easily distracted by people/dogs/whatever walking by. There are some very beautiful parks nearby here so I try at least once a week to go at least to read a couple of pages, and if not just to be out in the open for s while.
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that one anon said he read in the sun too much and got cataracts and his brother had to frogpost for him

Why doesn't /lit/ read this guy? Too /lit/ for /lit/? You prefer 1200 pages of mediocrity like DFW?
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>>8706221
>Why doesn't /lit/ read this guy?
why did you make this assumption?
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>>8706221
who even is this?
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>>8706221
Who is this demon seaman?

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We praise this white mediocre writer when there are black excellent writers like Toni Morrison, James Baldwin who are superior to Tolstoy in every manner
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ha
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When did this board turn to shit?
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>Slavs are white

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>get /lit/ job
>realize it's a waste of time and apply to grad school for STEM
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>>8706118
do you also work at a publishing company
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Yeah, because STEM is like a 100% guaranteed ticket to getting a job and living in drugs, blowjobs, and video games for the rest of your life. There's totally not a ton of unemployed STEM graduates.
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>>8706167
It is very simple and easy to look up placement rates into professions related to area of study by major. I encourage you to do so.

STEM majors end up in the job they're pursuing far more often than non-STEM majors (outside of healthcare or education), and they get paid a lot more to do it.

If you're at the point in your life where you're making important decisions on what you want to do, I very much recommend you do the research and arm yourself with this information.

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Happy Interdependence Day, my fellow ONANites!

GAUDEAMUS IGITUR

Who's up for a game of Eschaton later?
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>>8705963
Daily Reminder Ingersoll did nothing wrong
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>>8705963
It's my birthday. Reading that chapter coupled with the election today makes me think the world will actually end tonight.
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"Eskaton" or "Eskatawn" or "Esshaton" or "Esshatawn"

and where does the accent go?

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Haven't read a novel in over two years. I'm itching for some horror. I hate flowery prose and like Hemingway's style.

What should I read?
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>>8705959
Have you read the road?
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>>8705959
>Stephen King
>"I like Hemingway's style"
Maybe r/books has what you're looking for, ya pleb
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>>8705959
I can't think of any Hemmingway Horror, but I'll just try not to recommend anything Lovercraftian

Adam Nevill is really good a building up tension to nearly unbearable levels:
The Ritual
>innawoods scary
Last Days
>spoopy skelletons

Jeff Long's The Descent
>not really horror, but has some horrific stuff

Dan Simmon's The Terror
>northwest passage...
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Is there any book that explores "There is no inherent meaning to life" by saying "Instead of arguing about life being pointless, see life as a game and play it by the rules, don't look outside of the game"?
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>>8705882
"...Since playing life by the rules is logical", I forgot to add.
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How I Learned to Stay Spooked and Die Mirin
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>>8705886
I think you are half-memeing and half speaking the truth, so I won't dismiss your post but inquire into what is meant by "spooked" or "spook" since im new to reading and new to this board. What's the definition? Google doesn't answer me

Hey /lit/, what do you think of this piece of text I wrote?

"Why do you not worship logic as your god?

Logic is the mathematical patterns that govern our reality.

The Scientific Revolution marks the point in which we began to understand and apply the logic surrounding us. As an example, the works of Galileo Galilei and Sir Isaac Newton gave us a better knowledge about the mathematical nature of the Universe. Most scientists agree that those insights had a crucial role in propelling the Industrial Revolution and all the subsequent technological advancements.

Our...
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>>8705836
Thanks, any feedback?
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>>8705828
Kant already debunked this idea in CPR.

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I'm glad this shit will be over in a week.

>implying the slightly less shitty choice won't win
America is not that retarded.
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>>8705741
>Muh woman in the whitehouse YASSS :D
Fuck off Reddit.

By the way, this is a Tolstoy thread.
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>>8705759
Why do /pol/lacks pretend that anyone makes a big deal out of Clinton being female? Even your ironic shitposting is off.

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So i've been reading lots of different philosophers from the early greeks to now and I was wondering if there is any flaw in this type of thinking that is described in pic related.

Every time I took shrooms or LSD I was agreeing with pic related, but I don't know what's real anymore
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>>8705646
(William James on Nitrous Oxide)

It is impossible to convey an idea of the torrential character of the identification of opposites as it streams through the mind in this experience. I have sheet after sheet of phrases dictated or written during the intoxication, which to the sober reader seem meaningless drivel, but which at the moment of transcribing were fused in the fire of infinite rationality. God and devil, good and evil, life and death, I and thou, sober and drunk, matter and form, black and white, quality...
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>>8705662
My conclusion is that the togetherness of things in a common world, the law of sharing, of which I have said so much, may, when perceived, engender a very powerful emotion; that Hegel was so unusually succeptible to this emotion; throughout his life that its gratification became his supreme end, and made him tolerably unscrupulous as to the means he employed; that indifferentism is the true outcome of every view of the world which makes infinity and continuity to be its essence, and that pessimistic or optimistic...
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>>8705662
>>8705666
terrible writing

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Why can't we argue that Heidegger's philosophy was crap because he was a Nazi?

After all, his philosophy is about how dependent our existence is on our social context, and how it would help us engage with the world upon realizing that, and given how easily he caved in to his own social context despite coming up with this 'ontological view', we can come to the conclusion that his philosophy is crap at what it set out to do in the first place.
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>>8705617
>we can come to the conclusion that his philosophy is crap at what it set out to do in the first place.

It's still pretty dang good at providing a framework for looking at the *world*.
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>>8705620
It seems to be a huge problem that people who advocate for a philosophy of practical life seem to be completely impractical in their own life.

e.g. Nietzsche's philosophy of Will despite him being a diseased aristocratic pussy, Sartre's philosophy of freedom while supporting Maoism etc...
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>>8705634
where do you find the problem? It's not like they are putting forth theories of disciplin.

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What books deal with themes relating to losing an erection?
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Watchmen.
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>>8705557

My diary desu
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>>8705557
10/10

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Am I to understand this was written as a pro-socialist work?? I mean, I'm not a huge political philosopher, but it seems more dystopian than utopian. Read somewhere the other day that Orwell was in fact a fighter for communism?
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No its an anti-soviet/stalinism book written by a socialist. Its not really pro socialism
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>>8705475
As in, it rejects how they did it in u
USSR? So its more or less the "guys, communisms fine, just not how they did it" in book form?


I've recently been giving communism actual consideration, but can't see how surveillance(thought crimes) and such isn't a final reality for that mode of government assuming the technology becomes available
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>>8705478
Orwell was a (((democratic socialist)))

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I'm reading the first chapter of Keep the Aspidistra Flying for today's class.

could someone please translate the french shit in pic related ?

bonus points for not trolling/shit posting.

btw Gordon Comstock is as much a writer as /lit/tards could probably ever wish to become.
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Not a native speaker but I'm half-decent.

"That's the trouble - the eye responsible for an involuntary tear,
He dreams of scaffolds while smoking his hookah!"
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Another non-native:

> That's 'ennui' - the eye charged with an involuntary tear,
> He dreams about scaffolds as he smokes his hookah!

'Ennui' is a little untranslatable into English: it can mean 'boredom' or 'depression', but more general than that, a kind of 'sickness with life'.
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>>8706087
listlessness

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>tfw you realise most plots or premises of other media's (tv, games, movies, etc) are just all derived from one book or another
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>>8705380
Other way around mate
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>>8705380
>tfw there are only 16 archetype stories that can be loosely shuffled into either side of 4 spectrums:
>Introversion-Extroversion
>iNtuition-Sensing
>Thinking-Feeling
>Perceiving-Judging
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>>8705382
Surely you jest

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I'm not a native English speaker but I wish to speak perfect English with no grammatical error. What do I have to do and how long will it take?
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Dismiss the grammar spook, my friend.
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>>8705329
I want to sound perfect like an English major. So not even a grammarian can point finger at me and say "Improve your English first."
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>>8705328
Move to California

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Please post all questions that do not deserve their own thread here!

--- work in progress---
>What work do I start with?
>Which author defines his genre?
>What is an adjective?
>How do I read?
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My question that I didn't wanna put in the OP: Have you ever used those online services that give out free bibles?
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>>8705300
I didnt but i would totally use em
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Why is Joyce so god tier

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where do I start?, is there any required background reading?
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in b4 Max Stirner
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>>8705246
Kant
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with the greeks

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Hello people. I'm finally attempting to put my stories into writing. Short version is. I've been writing almost my whole life. but I gave it up years ago. Finally, someone has touched me enough and encouraged me enough to do something with my stories. So. Im writing them. Heres the issue

I don't read books. I'm more of the story teller than the reader. One of mine. I want to do a draft of a book just so I can see it coming together. which will help me stay encouraged to keep writing.

I want the books first bit to have some narration. then go...
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foreword.
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>>8705225
Well. I'd kind of want the lead to narrate in various places. or is that a terrible idea
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>>8705220
Do you mean the story begins with a character telling a story? You can do a few pages of exposition, and then go into the regular narrative.

There are a lot rules people will try to tell you, and it is good to at least be aware of what rules you are breaking.

How many drafts have you done?

Does drinking make you a better or worse writer, in your subjective experience? I personally feel like I get really stupid when I drink, so I try not to. Absinthe welcome.
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Better here. Far more prolific, and it adds a bit of outside-the-box chaos that I can control, or edit later when sober.
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>Absinthe welcome.
This is the memiest of all meme drinks, right here.

Otherwise, Alcohol is only a tool. If you use it well, it can help. If you don't know how to use it, or are better at other tools, it won't help.
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The greatest writers in history were all drunks, nigga.

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I've been working on a Nanowrimo piece this month, but that's obviously something longer. i need to write something short, not more than 600 words, and is self-contained. What the fuck kind of story can you tell in so little time?
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>>8705068
For Sale: Baby Shoes. Never Worn.
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just do one of those gay freeze frame stories, like someone in a room waiting for a job interview. throw in some shitty metaphors between his observations, his waiting, and society. End with him being called into an office. How can you be this uncreative?
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i'm assuming your teacher set that 600 word limit. tell them from me: "you are fucking LAZY."

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Is this an example of 21st century literary genius?
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>I'm going to post this book every goddamn day, in almost every goddamn thread, until you read it and suffer like I suffered.

What did you mean by this?
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>>8705020
kek. That's exactly what's going on here. There is nothing groundbreaking going on in IJ.
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>>8705013
Should I read this? I've only read random novels, never anything of critical acclaim except Kafka.

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I don't know about you guys, but I do no have the time nor the inclincation to keep up to date with contemporary literature if every fuckwit recommended has a 600+ page book.

Why can't people look to writing shorter works? Novellas or short story collections? God it annoys the shit out of me.
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ye
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>>8704960
check borges. motherfucker's longest work was a 14 pages long short story.
not contemporary though, but meh.
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Short stories are what separate the meh from the great. See Borges.

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what's your favourite dirty Shakespeare pun?
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Much Ado About Nothing
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>>8704865
To be or not to be

Hamlet
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>>8704865

The cunnilingus bit in Hamlet:

HAMLET: Lady, shall I lie in your lap?
OPHELIA: No, my lord.
HAMLET: I mean, my head upon your lap?
OPHELIA: Ay, my lord.
HAMLET: Do you think I meant country matters?
OPHELIA: I think nothing, my lord.
HAMLET: That's a fair thought to lie between maids' legs.
OPHELIA: What is, my lord?
HAMLET: Nothing.

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Authors who recognize humans are just more or less evil and happiness is just projected narcissism?
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I don't think anyone was the fucking stupid in the entirety of western canon.
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>>8704772
Check out www.reddit.com, sounds like a perfect place for you
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>>8704785
kek

DFW is to postmodernism what Nietzsche was for nihilism.

postmodernism = nihilist equivalent of art
new-sincerity = existentialist equivalent of art
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>>8704725
"No"
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>>8704725
I think you mean to say Clifford Lee Sargent is the Wittgenstein of booktubing while DFW was the Nietzsche of Wittgenstein while Nietzsche was the Clifford Lee Sargent of Wittgenstein of booktubing while DFW was the Nietzsche of Wittgenstein while Nietzsche was the Clifford Lee Sargent of the Wittgenstein of booktubing while DFW was the Nietzsche of Wittgenstein while Nietzsche was the Clifford Lee Sargent of of the Wittgenstein of booktubing while DFW was the Nietzsche of Wittgenstein while Nietzsche was the Clifford...
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Directly related to this thread:

https://youtu.be/2doZROwdte4

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is this worth reading or is it just a disguised manifesto of the author?
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Don't read it for the love of God you'll kill an overrated celebrity.
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>>8704709
It's great.
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>>8704709
>just a disguised manifesto of the author?
What in the living fuck would give you this impression?

Read it, but only if promise to hit your head hard against your desk after every paragraph

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>dat alliterative meter
SO CRISP, SO FUCKING DOPE
>dat God-as-poet-as-builder Anglo-Saxon mentality
FUCKING DEEP, MY DUDES
>dat divine paternalism on display
GOD LOVES US, WE'RE HIS FUCKING KIDS AND HE IS OUR FATHER YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Good shit, amirite?
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>>8704562
awh yiss. mothafucking whatever the shit this is.
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>>8704562
How old are you?
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>>8704562
You should be studying for your test

Why did he write so much thoughtless drivel? I mean he makes a few good fundamental points but these points are packed within layers of redundancy.
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science was still pretty speculative back in the day. in the 18th century the french literally thought semen spoiled breast milk
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>>8704533
They weren't wrong, desu
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>>8704559
>They weren't wrong, desu

OP tells me that they do taste the same.

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Thinking about buying this, is it a meme? I don't intend to read it immediatley but I'd like to have it around as something to look at if I felt like it. As of right now I piled on myself a relativley large backlog so I won't be getting to it for some time.
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It can be a meme, doesn't mean it isn't good.
I wouldn't recommend reading it blindly though.

Read his older stuff, Dalkey published four volumes of it.
Read Poe, maybe even a little Freud.
There are some interesting transcripts of Schmidt's radio show that can give some insight, too.

Or track down a copy of The School for Atheists, a more manageable one in a similar style.
All in all its difficulty, like a lot of other /lit/ meme books is played up. Once you understand his rhythm and thought process, it's not too hard.

Read...
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>>8704539
My main concern is not learning background detail but the limited volume print for this book. Even if I wanted to read it in 5 years I'm not sure I'd find a physical copy.
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