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ok, why is gravitys rainbow so scary?
inb4 big words

also, reccommended pynchon reading list?
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Start with CoL49, and then read Pynchon in order of when the books were published because he usually throws in nods to his previous novels. That one chart that says to read GR after everything else is dumb.

After this, if you ever want to read Pynchon again, then you can do the chronological grand conspiracy read-through, thus:
>Mason & Dixon
>Against the Day
>Gravity's Rainbow
>V.
>Crying of Lot 49

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>>8700667

Is there really an overarching plot through them all?
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holy shit just shut up and read GR
its just a fucking book

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God is a metaphor.

Jesus is a simile.
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>>8700578
really made me think
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>>8700578
The holy ghost is a meme.
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more like a glib facsimile

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Has there ever been an author that really made you reconsider your moral compass?
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No.
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>>8700325
Bukowski when I was an edgy pseud.
Camus after I grew tired of being edgy.
Woolf/Dostoyevsky now that I'm alone and realizing I should have invested more time in learning how to love.

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is postmodernism to modernity what romanticism was to the enlightenment?
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postmodernism is to modernity what being an uncultured drunkard and jerking off in public was to the enlightenment.
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>>8700212
so the Diogenes of literature?
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>>8700215
>Diogenes
Yes, but less refined.

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This isn't a regular critique thread /lit/

Everything posted is my poetry.

Critique them as a single piece and critique my poetry-writing ability as a whole.
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Candor

An honest man sits
Alone beneath a tree,
And the whole world dares to listen.
A man whose words
Are bittersweet,
But the world does not dismiss him.
In fact, he feels,
With every sin
The world begins to miss him.

An honest man, here, once sat,
And told the world so much.
When on this tree he hung his hat,
The grass forgot his touch.
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Crittleton

Quiet little families in short houses,
With large backyards and white picket fences
Stood side-by-side other short houses with equal amenities.
Sitting on streets, that crisscross, like Sunday crosswords;
Neighborhoods protect tight-knit communities
From undesirables

But those don’t exist in our town,
No not ours.
Men who drink their coffee and
Read their paper and
Kiss their wife and
Leave their home to go to their work.

women who raise the kids and
cook the food and
clean the home; and
love the Husband.

Tiny...
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Nature Calls

Nights whimpered in silent fear of what might become of them.
War slithered in, with sinister intent, speaking in eager whispers
In the ears of looming shadows that wept dry tears for sunlight.

Murmurs of discontent sprinted throughout: your home; your clique; your self.
Inching further for anger, blindness swept beneath your skull and latched into you;
Your sins are not your own.
Luring you further with malicious speak shrouded by a veiled innocence:
Hysteria lit the path with shadowed light from an envious lantern.

Cheered...
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>Finish a book
>Have a vague idea of what the author wanted to convey
>Wait a week
>Can't remember anything about what the book was about
Anyone else or i'm just retarded?
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We had independent reading in AP Lit and I finished the book a couple weeks early, and by the time it was due and he assigned an essay, I could barely remember the plot (but to be fair it wasn't really a plot based book)
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>>8699990
Never really had this issue.
>>8699999
Nice, very nice.
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>>8699999
Holy shit

I have a really big interest in technology, and I want to learn more, what books should I read?
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>>8699833

The joy of non-fiction.

The pleasure of reading about actual things that actually work and are actually used.
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>>8699833
James Gleick's The Information.
Really good introduction to information theory
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>>8699833
Reddit, where the rest of you dim witted fetishists are

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Has anyone here read this? I've been in and out of psych wards for the past 6 months and it's been a godsend for defending myself from the psychiatrists and the infringement of my rights in the mental health courts.
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>>8699738
I've been working my way up to it, Deleuze is like end game philosophy
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Really, OP? I don't what's it about, how did it help?
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If you're mentally ill, it's ultimately matter over mind.

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Which philosophers have the most accessible writing style? Now reading Schopenhauer's Aphorisms on the Wisdom of Life and it's really good. The Greeks are also good in that regard.

And, on the contrary, which ones are terribly unintelligible? Is Hegel the right answer?
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>>8699697
Schopenhauer is pretty much the GOAT stylist and Hegel is a disaster.

But there are also cool disasters like Nick Land.
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>>8699704
This has to be the most pseud post I've seen all year
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The ones you mentioned, pretty much, and Nietzsche (although WWR isn't always simple). If you insist on calling it a philosophical work, Aurelius' Meditations is probably the most accessible.

Least: Hegel + 60s-80s randos.

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Where do I go to discuss and find out more about books like pic related?
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In case you're wondering what kind of book it is, it's basicallly psych.
I'm mostly confused as to where to talk about good "business" books, self-help books.
Any help?
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>>8699646
NLP (Neuro-linguistic programming). Read Norbert Wiener and Alfred Korzybski. Study the Social Construction of Reality by Berger and Luckmann (as well as Vygotsky and Lacan), and then read Robert Anton Wilson.
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>>8699646
maybe /adv/ or /biz/? I really don't know. I liked that book, but I felt like it had quite a bit of fluff.

>>8699728
NLP has some interesting techniques, but it also feels like most books just dump a bunch of tools in your lap and you have to sort them out. Which is fine I guess. But I'm not convinced that NLP is a coherent system (which Binder and what'shisname would probably say is the point or something)

OP, this is not really an answer...
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>Europeans have over 2000 years of brilliant philosophy
>Americans have pseuds who rip off Euros and a few Stemlords that only cucks like Cornell West care about
What went wrong?
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awful thread

t. American
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awful thread

t. European
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bad thread

t. canadian

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How large is the /lit/ community? How many people are there that check this on a regular basis?

If this was a subreddit, how many subscribers would it have?
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>>8699447
A couple months ago someone posted some stats and I think like 2000 (non unique) or so people came here on average per day with fifty or so accounting for 95% of the posts.
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>>8699461

>tfw I am part of the internet intellectual shitposting elite

Life status:
[_] in vain
[X] not in vain
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>>8699447
I just come to 4chan for /lit/ and to have a laugh.

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What are the modern cities where writers, poets, artist -- all those fags -- concetrate? In due time I will pursue a bohemian lifestyle, and I needed know where to live in a shitty flat; so I can indulge in drugs but still also try and fail to be accepted in the Canon -- that is die miserably in some river, drunk.
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You mean contemporary?
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I'd also like to know of any areas like this so that I can avoid them at all costs.
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>>8699337
Yo man, if Scotland leaves the UK, come to Glasgow and we can Hellenize the west end.

As of now, probably one of those faggy North American cities like Austin or Vancouver, where people wear beanies and ride bikes and shit

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What are the best books of the 2010s? Any charts?
Also, why do I rarely see discussions about new books or promising young authors here? Does it take so much time to settle for discussion-worth literature?
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>>8699331
Jerusalem
On The Edge
The Combinations
Bottom's Dream
My Struggle
Animal Money

I am certain that there are other fine gems if you bother to look
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>>8699640
Good picks. I'll just specify that "On the edge" is Chirbes
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>>8699640
Bottom's Dream isn't really a book of the 2010s though is it?

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Hey, /lit/

How do I become a Romantic poet?
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>>8699309

Be born in the late 18th century.
Oh wait, you're 200 fucking years too late.
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>>8699315
What is there to being a Romantic poet that I could do in the 18th Century but can't now?

And how d'you know I wan't cunto? I'm three hundred years old today
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>>8699328

>What is there to being a Romantic poet that I could do in the 18th Century but can't now?

originality

What is the consensus on Lovecraft again?
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That Lovecraft is a spook.
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He sucks thicker cocks than Stephen King more voraciously.
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Too many adjectives

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How do I pronounce this word: "quirky"
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Kwer-key
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ˈkwɜrki
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>>8699268

It rhymes with 'murky', or 'thirsty'

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We all know which one is the best language. Now explain why is it spanish?
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>>8699266
>tfw half spanish and fluent speaker but don't think the language is great for literature for some reason
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Spain spanish sounds really pleasant to me. Mexican spanish does not sounds as good. I just love spanish women and their words.
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>>8699327
this
mexican spanish is just absolutamente asqueroso

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Hey, neet here. I watched every series i wanted, and they all start to suck sometimes. I thought it would be a good idea to start reading some Books.
Can you guys suggest me some good books?
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>>8699178
Finnegans Wake, Joyce
In Search of Lost Time, Proust

should be a great start
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Here's a list of both fiction and nonfiction that should expand your degenerate mind. (Religious texts are included because they are important to the human race regardless of their validity)

The Holy Bible
Quran
Rig veda
Dune by Frank Herbert
The Dharma Bums by Jack Kerouac
On The Road by Jack Kerouac
Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert Heinlein
2001: A Space Odyssey by Arthur Clarke
Symposium by Plato
The Iliad by Homer
The Odyssey by Homer
Everything H.P. Lovecraft
A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
Catch 22 by Joseph...
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>>8699184
>>8699229
Thank you anons.

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Who is your role model from the world of literature?not only that, but what qualities are you fags looking for in a role model?
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>>8699126
I am unable to identify with people to any significant degree because I feel so detached from my physical form.
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Mickey Mouse
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>>8699126
Role models are for children

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You only hate him because he's popular, right, /lit/?
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/lit/ hates nobody
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/lit/ hates everybody
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/lit/ only hates itself

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Hey /lit/ how's your writing going? Wanna share some of your story ideas? I would love to give you some feedback and maybe I'll share some of my own.
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Fine. No.
We do need a new general crit thread though so go ahead.
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Well I got this new idea for a post-apocalyptic world story and it's about this lawman who tries to keep the peace in a lawless world and he deals with things like occultists, and bandits and crazy stuff like that kinda like the game fallout or the book the road
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>>8699056
Dude wakes up one day and is convinced he is actually dead, and what he is living is what hell is (lost his job, wife, kids). Hillarity ensues until he kills himself and actually goes to hell.

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>OP is a fag
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>fugg :DDD
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>>8699029
>whisky whisky I'M IRISH whisky kidney whisky fart

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how many books do i have to buy to give the impression of being smart?
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2, but they have to be hardcover and look old.
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The number is inversely proportional to how smart you actually are
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>>8699028
Bout 3 fiddy

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Whats the point of writing nowadays?
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To wage war with the absurd.
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>>8698984
examine the human condition, like always.
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>>8698984
post more pessimist anime man

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I'm terrible at the English language, how do I start writing stories?
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just wait until the wall gets built motherfucker. Just wait.
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by trying in your own language
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>>8698916
Write in your mother tongue. If you're a native English speaker who sucks at it anyway, read a lot and write a lot. Both will help. There is no real useful how-to write other than just doing it. The best advice I can give is make sure you aren't doing it lazily, put real effort into improving every time you write, make your practice count.

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Are there any other philosophies as empowering as his?
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So, I'll take that as a no?
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>>8698870
Schopenhauer
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>>8698930
His essay on woman sure was "empowering"

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Are there any other genre writers who can actually write well?
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probably posted the best example desu
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raymond chandler, cormac mccarthy, michael chabon
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I like William Gibson

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I'm about halfway through with Infinite Jest. It's pretty good. I have no qualms with the text itself insofar as I interpret it. Then I go and see what DFW actually said about it, how it's supposed to be all sincere and unironic and shit.

I'm not seeing it. The tone, the structure, the absurdity, the cynicism - it all reeks of irony and postmodernism. Some of the stuff, if written from a sardonic perspective is quite humorous, but if it's meant to be taken at face value, then it's just straight up bad autistic writing. Okay well not just...
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>>8698777
you are right. anyway, i think he don´t consider IJ sincere.
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>>8698828
It's definitely what he seemed to consider his schtick to be. Is there any reason to believe IJ had a different intent?
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>>8698777
IJ is full of the pain that you feel when you've lost the ability to be completely sincere in your expression. It's a humorous book but he's trying to make a sincere statement about literature and the dangers of alienation when you lose the faith in language.

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I have never read a word of Stephen King's work.

Where do I begin?
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>>8698776
Misery
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>>8698776
You don't
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>>8698776
The Long walk


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