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Anybody here over 21 opted to work part-time in order to focus on their writing?

How's it going?
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I want to fuck her ass and cum on those soles
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>>8698741
Can you please keep to the topic on hand? Thanks.
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>>8698725
I'm a doctor and I still find time to write. Kids these days baka

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what translation of the histories by herodotus do i read
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>>8698573
rule of thumb hackett > oxford > penguin
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>>8698573
The landmark.
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>>8698584
I preferred Oxford. I don't think it's that big of a deal though, translation quality isn't as important if you're not dealing with something written in meter.

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Do you have any fans?
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yeah mum
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no but i got bitches
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>>8698572
Is this a fan proposing to you op?

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I recently picked up most of Bellow's works - Herzog, Ravelstein, The Actual, Seize the Day, Adventures of Augie March, Bellarossa Connection, Humboldt's Gift - I've already read Seize the Day. Is there any recommended order with which to continue?
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>>8698534
what the hell you're bumping lmao
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I'd start with Middle Bellow, move on to Late and skip his early stuff entirely. He hits his stride with Herzog, which is a more compact and better statement of his concerns than Humboldt, though you should absolutely read the latter. Mr. Sammler's Planet is pleasingly cranky, as is The Dean's December. He sort of gives up on plot toward the end, but compensates with wisdom and beautiful clarity.

Prior knowledge of Delmore Schwartz and John Berryman will enhance the experience of reading Humboldt.

In sum: Herzog -> Humboldt -> Sammler. If...
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>>8698587
thanks for this. been meaning to read Bellow after devouring Roth years ago but never got around to it. maybe after i'm done with what little i have left of Faulkner.

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Is Hemingway worth reading or is he just an american meme?
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hey, memes have feelings too, you know
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>>8698480
He's just a meme who offed himself for the literary recognition. He's the modernist DFW, if you will.
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>>8698480
>He's the modernist DFW, if you will.
I won't

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Applying for an MFA in creative writing.
What do admissions officials usually look for in a writing sample?
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>>8698474
fart fetishes
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>>8698474
Quality
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Quality fart fetishes. Okay, got it!

would you rather:

1) author the greatest novel in history

or

2) be the subject of the greatest novel in history
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Yo, I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want,
So tell me what you want, what you really really want,
I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want,
So tell me what you want, what you really really want,
I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really really really wanna zigazig ha.
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both, and it's called
my
diary
desu
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There isn't enough information given to be 100% certain most likely (2) is the patrician choice. The greatest novel would surely be based off one of the greatest lives, and life in its entirety is more immersive than a novel alone.

The only way (1) would be superior is if the author had a greater life than the subject. But why would the greatest novel in history be based on a comparatively reprehensible subject? It's unlikely.

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>I just luv books!
>My booktube channel...
>I LOVE to read
>omg I spend SO MUCH on books
>Reading opens your mind
>Reading broadens your horizons
>A good book is like a good friend

When did you realise that literature is a faggoty hobby coopted by attention whorish Buzzfeed tier women who use it as a status symbol and as a way to attract beta orbiters.

I...
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What gets me is all of these girls who make videos about all the dozens of books they've bought, and then at the end of the month they've probably read like 2-3 books in total. Why have a youtube channel about books if you don't read them?

Pic related, she hardly reads anything.
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OP here, I forgot to mention that all male authors are numale beta cucks but I think it was implied
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>>8698461
>>8698477
kys

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Gimme some good CHINA LIT
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>>8698440
Ching chong Chang
By Xi
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Three-Body Problem is pretty nice if you're a sci-fi plebster like me.
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>>8698440
Clarkesworld is good for Chinese science fiction which is a different genre than science fiction

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I just read Oedipus Rex for myself, and it got me wondering: How much of Oedipus Rex, Oedipus at Colones and Antigone was taken directly from the original myths the plays are based on, and how much did Sophocles add on his own? It seems characters like Teiresias originally had nothing to do with Oedipus' story. Trying to find more background information on the characters often lead me to sites discussing the characters in the context of the Theban plays.
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Not entirely related, but considering you've read it recently, what connection did Kreon and Teiresias have? I can't remember what it was exactly, and I was wondering cause I've just read Antigone. What profession did Kreon have in Oidipous Rex?
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>>8698384
No connection, really. Oidipus had sent Kreon to hear from the oracles how he could handle the plague which was ravaging Thebes. Teiresias just happened to be the oracle closest to Apollon, so Kreon brought him to Oidipus. Since Apollon is the god behind the entire mess in these plays, they spoke with Teiresias whenever they needed to consult the gods.

Kreon became Oidipus' brother-in-law, so he's just helping Oidipus as an adviser, I believe.
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>>8698336
Those three shouldn't be read as a trilogy as they weren't written and performed as one, like Oresteia was for example. They were written as much as 20 years apart. As for Oedipus before Sophocles, try Iliad XXIII 676, Odyssey XI 271, Pindar, Olympian II 72

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Could Dorian Gray be read as a metaphor for modern NEET culture?

>Lord Henry represents anons online, feeding the NEET poisonous ideas and memes without caring about the outcome
>Basil is the NEET's parents and everyone else who has reason to care for him
>the painting is the NEET's deteriorating irl self while he pursues meaningless pleasure through online activities
>Sybil represents the NEET's inability to form relationships with...
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Thats pretty interesting actually. How does basil creating the painting fit into this?
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>>8698264
The NEET's parents and friends created an ideal image of him, being handsome and happy and having an education and job.
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>>8698256
No, because you're operating under the premise that Dorian himself had no hand in what he became when in reality, he knew what he was doing all along. To say that Dorian Grays is analogous to the NEET is to say that DIO is the posterchild of the hikkikomori. In short, you're an idealistic idiot

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What's /lit/'s opinion on experimental writing?

Just finished reading Georges Perec's 'A Void'
The entire book is translated from French and doesn't use the letter 'e' the entire time.

What do you consider experimental writing and what (if anything) makes it good/successful?
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>MY
>DIARY
>DESU
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Gimmicky shit for the most part
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>>8698254
I think trying to make a good post on /lit/ is fairly cutting edge these days, especially knowing that without a doubt you will get shit replies like>>8698370
A decent post is a type of subversion here.

I have a short story based off of a weird, yet specific dream I had that I haven't forgotten for a week. It isn't done yet but I'll be posting it in parts anyways
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I have never made a story before so don't hit me too hard with critiques please

>Live in small town in Massachusetts
>1692
>Been on Earth for maybe 20 years
>My name is Galil Wanheda
>I am young man, brown hair, maybe 5”11, 6”
>I can use magic
>Healing magic, lethal magic
>I only use it to help people

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>324 years later
>I am woken by loud noises
>Suddenly stops
>It is pitch black
>Don’t know where I am or who I am
>What happened?
>Follow wall until I see light
>Go into light
>Overlooking forest
>Wander over to forest
>Eventually...
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>>8698202
>>I am young man, brown hair, maybe 5”11, 6”
I don't think people were that tall back then

Is "The Will to Power" worth reading?

If so, what are the possible modification by his sister to look for? There are several fascist sounding quotes (A doctrine is needed powerful enough to work as a breeding agent: strengthening the strong, paralyzing and destructive for the world-weary.

The annihilation of the decaying races. Decay of Europe.-- The annihilation of slavish evaluations.-- Dominion over the earth as a means of producing a higher type.) mixed with really great and Nietzschean ones. I don't know whether they're really part of Nietzsche's...
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>>8698157
Why not go for the Complete Works edited by Colli and Montinari? They rearrange all the framents according to writting date (where available obviously) so that their meaning cannot be distorted by rearrangement. I don't know how accurate their work is, but many philosophers (including famous ones like Deleuze and Foucault) swear by it.
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The decay of europe fascist sounding?

I always speak about the decline of western civilisation. Am I seen as a fascist?
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>>8698252
Thanks, I'll read that.

>>8698258
>The decay of europe fascist sounding?
It's not the decay itself, but the solution that he seems to propose, which is literally taking control of the world and *annihilating* the decaying races (like the Jews, perhaps?) in order to produce a higher type (the pure Aryan race?)

It sounds extreme for Nietzsche, but then again, he actually wrote this, he meant it on another level....
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Is it realistic to learn Ancient Greek on your own at least at a decent level and hown long would that take? I already speak several modern foreign languages and had 5 years of Latin in high school, but when it comes to Ancient Greek, I'm basically a complete beginner.
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In my last year of high school (don't worry, I am 18) and I've had 5 years of ancient greek so far, this year being my 6th. I dropped latin 2 years ago in favor of ancient greek (doing both is for the diehards who I respect very much but I could never do such a thing) and I am still worse at translating ancient greek now than I was at latin 2 years ago.

Ancient greek is hard as fuck, even if you're familiar with latin already.
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Well ok, but it's not that I necessarily want to read and translate difficult texts like Plato. I'd just to know overall how the language works and it would be nice to understand the Greek origins of words in other languages.
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>>8698197
Well, start with the alphabet. First thing we learned in our textbooks after the alphabet were some modern words derived from ancient greek, like

>despotes
>poietes
>turannos
>an-arxia
>eu-thanasia
>philo-sophos
>kata-logos
>pro-logos
>basis

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If you’re hearing yourself in your head while reading, that is because this is how most people were taught to read; to say the words silently in their head.

When you were initially taught to read, you were told to read out loud. Once you were fluent enough, your teacher probably told you to start saying the words in your head. This is how the habit of subvocalization usually originates. Most people continue reading this way for the rest of their lives. But if you want to start reading faster, you need to minimize this habit.

I've been reading books like...
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i don't get this fucking "starter kit"
why should there be three dystopian novels?
why should fucking philip k. dick be there?
lord of the flies, to kill a mockingbird and catch-22 are non-essential and frankly not that good, why are they there?
and lolita is a huge contrast to all the so called "novels of ideas" on this list, there either needs to be a couple more pure aesthetic works or none at all.
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>>8698137
Autistic people usually overthink things, it's ok mate, just let it pass.
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>>8698143
>just going to call him an autist cause i have nothing to say amirite this is 4chan haha
fuck off

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Is anyone game enough to write a gay erotic story with a dude called Sam and the other Lee. Bonus if Sam's bottom.
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G O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O...
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will do 4 cash
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How bout free

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What is nothing?

You can't have nothing without a something to contrast, right? So how can there be absolutely nothing, with no something at all.

Is it just a failure of language?

I don't know anything about philosophy, was wondering if you lot did.
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Everything's relative. There can be absolutely nothing worthwhile on 4chan today, for example.
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>>8698020
It's quite simply just a figure of speech. no-thing.
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Stop being an asshat and realise that language was never perfect and never will be, it does not define our thoughts, but merely outlines it. It's the same asinine shit as with Hume
>DUDE how can a thing exist if you can only describe its properties but not the thing itself LMAO

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Do you agree that one person's classic literature is another person's hate speech. If so, what should be done about it?
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>>8697966
read and stop being a oversensitive cunt
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>>8697966
>banned books

Hitler, is zet you?
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>>8697966
There is no such thing as hate speech. That term is just a newspeak tool to ban or discredit unwelcome opinions. It's supposed to keep the potential reader from even looking at it.

What are some other good German books about WW1? Fiction preferred
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>>8697954
All quiet in the western from of course
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G O O O O O O O O O O O OO O O O O O O O O O O O O O OO O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O OO O O O O O O O OO O OO O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O OO O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O...
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Rilla of Ingles--

>German

Nevermind. German fans would be triggered by that book.

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I pick dune.
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Isn't this more of an /a/
thread?
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>>8697902
But how much /a/ people know about classic sci fi literature?
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>>8697905
How much /lit/ know about anime?
You had had two chairs and you fell on your ass trying to sit on both.

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What does /lit/ read their girlfriends as you're cuddling up for the night? We started The Iliad the other day, but if she's had a long day, it'll usually be a short science-fiction story.
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>implying i have a gf

Why do you have to rub it in anon?
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Because she makes me so happy I just have to tell someone, but I don't have any other friends, so I was hoping some of you guys had a /lit/ gf
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My MOTHER FFFUUUUUUCCCCKINGGGGG diary DESUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Has anyone here read this?

I remember back in high school (in México) I
had a nice english teacher, she was this kind of weird hippy girl who came from America to live in Mexico for some spiritual stupid reason. However, like I said she was kind nice and she also gave me Great Expection. That being said she only borrowed this book to me, the proble is that when she did so her mother got sick back in Washington so she had to go back to the U.S.A. and asked me to return the book. I was reading a lot of books at the same time when I borrowed this novel so I just read...
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>>8697742
Sorry about some typos, I wrote really fast, what I meant in the second sentence (at the end) is that she gave me Great Expectations by Charles Dickens as a gift. I also fucked up the punctuation.
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If you want it, get it, maaan.

Was your teach hot? This is the important question.
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>>8697762
I gotta admit, she was, never got to have sex with her or anything but she invited me to a lot of parties and we drank a lot. I met a lot of people very "sick crew"-esque.

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What are some great books under 200 pages? I want to read pic related next, especially since I never read Dostoevsky and I hear great things.

I just knocked out Siddhartha and Kafka's short stories collection.
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Master of Go
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>>8697665
Is that a good translation? Please respond.
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Anything by Max Barry

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>you are sitting in the club and chilling when this guy comes and slaps your gf's ass

wat do?
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>>8697611
queu porfavore no le hagaou
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>>8697611

Tell him that I will gladly stand aside and let him fuck her when he writes a book worth reading.

i.e Never.
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>>8697657
>i.e Never.

WILL HE EVER RECOVER???

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Do you think there are lost manuscripts from 100, 200, 300 years ago that could surpass anything we have today?
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>>8697574
my grand grand father diary, desu
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>>8697574
like dragontails-wise?
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>>8697579
Yes, something superior to lord of the rings, and harry potter, and hp lovecraft, and isaac ass-imov

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Im high af rn and I challenge you anons to test my literary skills!!!
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What was HCE's crime?
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This post was actually a diversion to why we should all regard her as the quintessential waifu that should all aim to attain anons.
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>>8697435
>HCE's crime
you could of at least tried to make the answer of the question not available on the internet.

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tinychat / 4chanlit

We're considering starting a podcast, so come in and discuss ideas if you're interested and have anything to say about it.
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>>8697390
quit please this shit is going to be cringy af
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>>8697390
orph is hosting
the dumb jazzy brazilian has made a site
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>>8697399
a shit google sites page with a nice template desu.
We need a name to make a definitive page, actually.

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Thoughts on this?
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>>8697381
literally just 2000+pages of "Ching Chang fought Chong. Chong won, and Chong took Ching Chang's dumplings. Chong then makes his kingdom bigger. Then Ping Pong attacks Chong. Ping Pong takes Chong's dumplings." just say you read it when you were a kid and forgot it for patrician kid points.
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>>8697391
is bandits of the marsh better?
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>>8697410
That one is mostly drinking, eating, and fighting.

Have any of you semen demons ever read pic related? Is it just edgy pessimism or is it actually worth reading? Is there a specific translation that is best?
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Yes.
Yes.
And yes.
Manheim.
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>>8697325
Definitely worth reading, but it is edgy af. Quite an enjoyable read
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>>8697325
Yes
Sort of
yes
>not reading it in french
stay pleb


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