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STEM major here wondering if it's worth the trade off of security to major in /lit/ or creative writing. Can anyone with few pre-existing connections tell me what their journey has been like/give advice on what it's like to sustain oneself as a writer.
>also recommend me books
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That depends on which stem degree you're going for. A lot of them aren't very useful and you'd be better off in lit/ philosophy/history whatever
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The conventional wisdom these days about being a writer is that it shouldn't be your main job. Even setting aside nebulous pessimism about how everyone is a retard these days and wouldn't recognise real literature, the market is demonstrably, empirically dominated by a VERY small handful of topics that are virtually guaranteed to get published. Anything else is an exception and a rarity. Even once you get published, you still won't make any money from it. At best it gives you a small amount of momentum toward writing more books and eventually becoming profitable.

During my grad orientation at university, they had an editor or publishing exec from Penguin come and talk to us, among a couple people in academic publishing. After the academic publishers told us how much of a slog it is to get academic work published, the Penguin guy told us that the commercial market can be very good for certain books, like if you're writing an ethnography of something contemporary and exciting (let's say the Arab Spring), using contemporary and exciting sources, and you can give it a personal twist and cut out a lot of the difficult stuff. Other than that, he said that only things that really get published these days in America are soldiers' memoirs, young adult vampire fiction, romance novels for ladies, and cookbooks.

Like I said, even putting aside vague bohemian sentiments, the market just empirically fucking sucks. You could write something amazing and no one would notice whatsoever. Most publishers are looking for profitable franchises, not hidden gems. Of the publishers looking for hidden gems, most of them are looking for ethnic gems, stories about subaltern identity politics and shit like that.

If you audit some creative writing courses you'll see two things. First, you'll see how fucking retarded most people who are trying to be writers are. Second, you'll see that they all have more tenacity and less self-awareness than you despite being retarded, and that you will constantly be shouting over these people to be heard.

If you have nepotistic connections you can get a lot of help though. Just look at the rich hipster cunts and Oxbridge champagne socialists /lit/ likes to post about, because their daddies knew a guy who knew a guy in publishing.
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>>8687072
Seems the problem these days is less people overall are reading literature, and those that do think they're special snowflakes who are going to come out with some modern masterpiece.

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has any one read the bhagavad gita
i had previously read the "eknath easwarn" version and decided to pick the pic related "A.C bhaktivedanta swami prabhupada" and was wonder if there is a definitive most authentic version same goes for the upanishads if anyway has read those i had read the eknath easwarn version of that aswell and same goes for the yoga sutras and if any one has any questions or would like to recommend anything relating to hinduism please do
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Everything about hinduism seems to reject authenticity. Every single copy I've seen of this book spells it's title a different way.
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>>8687048
yeah thats one of the things that bothers me aswell, the one in the pic claims its translation to be the best but thats from the books point, aswell as differant comentrys contradicting others aswell as other concepts.
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they've gone out of their way to keep sanskrit alive so you have the opportunity to learn it
ungrateful little peasants

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Post charts
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Has the domestication of man begun?
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>>8686970
It happened 12 thousand years ago, bud.
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>>8686970
a common trait of domesticated animals is what is called pedomorphy, which means that the animals retain juvenile traits into adulthood. So for example, dogs barking and whimpering and some of their playful behaviors would only be found in juvenile wolves. Adult wolves would rarely exhibit these characteristics.

So if you look around at adult humans in developed societies, would you say that you see them carrying childhood traits, habits and hobbies into adulthood?

Bonus question: Would you say that these...
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>>8687107
Fpbp

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZIsYyuN35Y&ab_channel=NormMacdonald#t=20m06s

Do you think Norm posts here?
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>>8686931
20m 06s
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I'm certain that filthy faggot Adam Egret posts here. In fact, I strongly suspect that retarded dick licker has already posted in the very thread.

But to answer your question, no. Norm just posts those ridiculous golf threads on /sp/
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>>8686931
/lit/ has the best stand up comedy threads on 4chan. they are not frequent enough.

Norm is the greatest living comic easily.

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What went wrong?
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It's literally plagiarized.
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Jews are to books what yeast is to bread. A story won't rise without Jews.

tl;dr not enough Jews.
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Aeneas was too perfect, was never in any danger, shit ended abruptly.

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How the hell can I read any other literature after reading Ulysses?
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>>8686786
That's why you read it last
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>>8686786
You don't... you move on to philosophy.
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>>8686797
good comment

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I introduce a new pilgrim to the Canterbury Tales, in Chaucer style description. Please avoid political debate in the comment section.

The last pilgrim was a rich billionaire,
one who did not frequent the house of prayer.
A hard working man who owned a business,
He would never offer his forgiveness.
For a wealthy man he dressed quite simple,
A shirt and tie – don’t forget the pistol.
No one ever knew why he would wear red,
Some thought it’s reason for what he said.
His golden hair, not fully combed-over,
Implied that his barber was a loafer.
The...
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Heh, you wrote it? Pretty good, anon, if you did. A defamation/satire like that is more aptly directed at Hillary Clinton, though.
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>>8686740
Thanks man. I honestly could've done both, but the majority of people in the world dislike Trump, so I decided to go with him. Maybe I'll do one about Hillary, wouldn't be that hard lol.
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Nothing like Chaucer or medieval paintings to remind you that things really haven't changed.

Sure, we have democratic governments, globalized trade, massive country, human rights, technology, science. But at the end of the day, people haven't really changed.

People in Medieval England were just as likely to do what exactly we do, usually really stupid shit.

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I’m all aflame. I’m sick, spiteful, and suffering sexually. I’m working out my damnation with fear and trembling.
It became clear during the first few minutes of 2016 that the world wasn’t ending, so I got myself banned from 4chan by posting pornographic pictures of a 13 year old anime robot pilot on /a/ then turned off my computer with a hammer.
I had been let down by the Apocalypse once again.
When I was nine years old my father had told me about how the Y2K virus was going to shut off all the electronics in the world and our family would live an idealic agrarian...
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>>8686692
>I had been let down by the Aspergers once again.
ftfy
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>>8686692
This isn't a book though.
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There was a pile of mail atop the fridge, mostly Viacom bills that Adam, the homosexual, had foolishly let Osama put in his name. Those I placed on his desk along with my share of the payment, disregarding his adamantly homosexual orders that no one go into his room. To his credit, it was easily the cleanest room in the house.
I must confess that I had built some resentment towards Adam, the homosexual, throughout the year. I refer to him here as Adam, the homosexual, but in my private thoughts I always just thought of him as a faggot. It’s hard to admit, publicly in NYC...
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>The true alchemists do not change lead into gold; they change the world into words.
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>>8686672
happy gass a cute
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>>8686672
Or better yet, pencil lead.
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>Sports, politics, and religion are the three passions of the badly educated.

KYS
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Hey /lit/, I've been racking my brain and I can't think of the right word for this. I've tried looking on google and asking people but they couldn't give it to me either.

What is it called when the conflict or problem is solved in a semingly miraculous or unrealistic way in a story?

For example, say two wizards are fighting, but one wizard wins and everything goes right after using one simple move that is really easy to do.

What is that called?
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I think you would be talking about a Deus Ex Machina
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Deus ex machina?
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>>8686639
>>8686641
Either these or simply contrived

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useless buzzword
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Cultural Marxist hogwash.
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nobody cares

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What's the point of reading if you can learn everything from YouTube videos?
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learning subjects to make youtube videos about
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>>8686523
there is only that which is entertainment and that which is not
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>>8686622
everything is a type of drug

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Which philosophers can help me find inherent value in life without being religious?
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Follow the chart, bruh! Shit is so cash.
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>>8686515
I guess ill give Nietzsche a try, I was planning on it anyway because I've read a lot into Schopenhauer. Never heard of Julius Evola though and from looking him up he seems like someone i could be interested in.
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>>8686515
Suicide seems like the best route.

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(rate my poem, a thought, it doesn’t have a name)

In the night they quickly run
These nameless beings
Towards a distant sun
Death is their only companion
To them he is but a truth, a thought
He is an absence
They tear after the light
They are an absence, a shadow
There is no respite from the chase
Nothing
Lonely exiles
Condemned to chase it
Theirs is not something
Death is a companion
But they are not dead
They live in the emptiness
The chase goes on
Is that light on the horizon?
It must be
Because where they...
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so i was meditating when this came to me. i ran and wrote it down in about 5 minutes. don't know where it came from
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>>8686410
10/10 write more and get them printed desu.
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meditation elevates your couscousness

Hey /lit/ I was just wondering if you guys would recommend Le Guin's work or not?.. I've seen The Left Hand of Darkness and a lot of her other works praised heavily in science fiction and I was wondering if you guys think it's worth it or not
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sure
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>>8686368
I read The Left Hand of Darkness. It's technically well written and the worldbuilding is good but it's extremely dull, because of the deliberate choice to have no real protagonist. There's a main character but his job is to be a passive observer. The only time he actively makes decisions is during the snow crossing scene, which is the only entertaining part of the book. I suspect it's intentional feminist propaganda that the only male character is so weak.
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>>8686918
Would you recommend anymore of Le Guin's work instead then?

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my father travels two hours back and forth to his work everyday and he likes to listen to audiobooks.

I want to get him some audiobooks for his birthday so I was hoping to get some recommendations from you guys.

he's said that he likes novels and westerns in particular, is there anything worthwhile that you could recommend me along those lines?
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>>8686349
Cormac McCarthy comes to mind, he has a few western novels.
Blood Meridian is the famous one everyone loves, but it's pretty violent and might be a bit hard to follow, though I doubt he will get lost or anything.
It is a "serious" book though, like one some people would read in college, so I don't know.
You should get him an audible membership, they have a large selection with categories, like westerns.
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The Great Gatsby was my favorite audio book so i'd recommend that.

Also like other anon, McCathy would probably make for good audio books. Just make sure you buy him shit he'll like and you know him best

Hemingway also comes to mind. I figure dad's like that.

>TFW your dad is probably going insane and choosesnot to fix his car radio and listens to silence for the 4 hours or more that he spends in the car every working day
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>>8686396
>listens to silence for the 4 hours or more that he spends in the car every working day

what's wrong with it?

listening to stuff is very annoying, regardless if it's music or something
i personally don't even have speakers on my pc and use headphones pretty rarely, sometimes not even once per a week
i don't drive currently but when i did i did it almost always in silence

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In an interview Ian Mckellen called Waiting For Godot a "slice of life." Is he correct?
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What's your opinion on the matter, OP?
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>>8686310
ian mckellen as faggoty old walt whitman when?
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It's basically the Seinfeld of literature.

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What does /lit/ think of him?
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Good for young girls I guess.
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Shoves everything the Internet made obsolete about post modernism up my ass. And I don't really like it.
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He's one of the few that /lit/ can usually agree on, except for the occasional edgelord.

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whats your canon like? and how often do you think about using all of your characters as a toilet in a magic library.

schizophrenic/enlightened meditative continuity thread. what did the universe tell you to write about?
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What the fuck is this?
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>>8686215
this is writers 101:
step 1:
GO FUCKING CRAZY
step 2:
WRITE YOUR FANTASIES DOWN AND PRETEND YOU DONT WANT TO DO IT WHEN PEOPLE READ IT.
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>>8686222
>>8686199
>on a roll.
anyway, my canon takes place in a realm called the land of dae, which exists in a horizontal slice of infinity, centering around an isnland which contains the typical races: humans, elves, dwarves, and fairies.

humans, fairies, elves, and the dwarf king control all of reality with their magic libraries, which contain all of reality, which somehow works, probably because of tangential realities.

humans...
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How does Post-Modernism manage to have more stomach churning and terrifying scenes than any well done modern horror novel or film? Off the top of my head I can think of:

>Nose job passage in V.
>The descriptive way it goes into detail about Hal's father's suicide in Infinite Jest and a couple more

Anything else I'm forgetting? I'm actually amazed at how well done these scenes when a lot of modern material which falls under the horror label just comes off as cheap and ineffective.
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I can think of two reasons off the top of my head:

1) Given the length of the average postmodern canonical work (the "postmodern tome"), we're more attached to the characters when crazy shit happens.

2) Given the heavy amount of irony embedded in postmodern works, when violence starts being taken seriously it catches us off-guard and disturbs that much more.
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>>8686187
almost transparent blue had some shit like that
i dont remember that whole book left me nauseous
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Horror writers are hacks, and the entire genre is a forewarning that detracts from the shock value of grotesque or scary events.

Write a humorous post
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>>8686161

Crab posters are cancer
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>>8686161
Infinite Jest is a good book
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All paraplegic people should be killed ah ha ha ha HA HHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


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What is love?
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>>8686089
The only reason for why I haven't killed myself
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Baby, don't hurt me.

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>tfw you realize the elevation of your pseudo-bourgeoisie revolution requires the cooperation of a bunch of peasants that can't even read your work

Seriously, there must be some comment on this from the side of Marxist criticism. They wrote so much, and yet they wrote it all for nobody. Is this why Communism had to be Utopian?
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>>8686036
>write lofty works to sow the seeds for rebellion among petit bourgeoisie
>distribute pamphlets to peasants and working class

Marxism advocates for education for all which appeals to those who can't read because they know they should be able to. Not like the movement didn't have speakers who would explain that
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>>8686049
Yeah, because you're average person gives a fuck about politics.
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>>8686055
yeah, the average person kinda does, when it pertains to them.

Not all countries are shitholes like the US

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What the hell is the short story Pierre Menard, Author of Don Quixote about?

Here's my shot; All intellectual pursuits are ultimately pointless aesthetic games a la The Glass Bead Game. Also, recreating a work by faithfully adhering to the technique described therein (recreating a work word-by-word/thought-by-thought in another setting) will produce a work which may be equal to or greater than the original in virtue of your having "become cervantes". Maybe all works of literature are like this.

What am I missing?

I like the other short stories...
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I just read it as an exploration of how the context of a work affects its interpretation and analysis. Both versions of Don Quixote are identical but the context is different, so Borges analyses each of them as though they are completely distinct works.
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My favourite is either The Library of Babel or Funes the Memorious. I also thought Three Versions of Judas was really great and underrated
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>>8686020
It's all repetition my man
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/deleuze/#DifRep

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Books that incorporate conspiracies into the plot? How about really sensitive ones like Sandy Hook?
pic related
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>>8685939
Foucault's Pendulum.

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>Emma Watson Has Taken to Hiding Free Books on Public Transit.
>http://time.com/4554660/emma-watson-instagram-book-club/?xid=time_socialflow_facebook

>"If you’re traveling by London tube, you might come across some hidden free book gems along the way: Emma Watson has been craftily placing 100 paperback copies of beloved writer Maya Angelou’s Mom & Me & Mom around the busy stations.

>The Beauty and the Beast actor and U.N. Goodwill...
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>>8685845
If I ever become a millionaire, I'll be distributing copies of Mein Kampf for free.
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>>8685845
Toilet paper for bums (pun intended)
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>>8685853
Someone needs to do this or drop them from a cargo plane over a heavily populated area. Not even for people to read just for the act of carpet bombing using Mein Kamp

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What is Ralph Waldo Emerson's best essay?
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>>8685781
Nature 2bh.
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>>8685781
History and Self Reliance are my favorites, but I could just be gay.
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Found him extremely challenging, tried to read Nature but gave up halfway through it (and its less than 100 pages).

For some reason I remember thinking I had to read Plato and then Coleridge and Wordsworth to get him.

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What are some novels or stories that have a profound connection between a human and animal? With themes such as mutual suffering, empathy, mercy etc.
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call of the wild
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a passion in the desert is pretty good
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Nietzsche's "why I have sex with horses" is a seminal classic of the genre

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Are there any great writers who never actually read much? Every writer seems to have started early and even though i read a lot, it makes me feel hopeless because i just started to really get into reading in my early 20s.
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I wonder what Homer read?
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>>8685737
probably dabbled with an oral-fable group.
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>>8685737
interracial cuckolding erotica


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