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He opened my eyes.
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>>8682812
I used nietzsche as a concrete reason to steal from others
then I realized I misread him and I'm retarded
so I avoid him now
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Did ur mum have the clap or sumfin?
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>>8682817
Pfff, everyone misreads Nietzsche. Nietzsche probably misread Nietzsche.

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already finished plato and aristotles' complete works. Nietzsche is starting to interest me, why shouldnt i bother with him and rather read someone else?
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because you are an ass hole
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>>8682771
Because he sucks.

...On a side note, Nietzsche's main thing is criticizing cristendom and nihilism, so you should read up on that before going for him.
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>>8682771
Because he was wrong about everything

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Is the concept of spooks a spook in and of itself?
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>>8682767
No, that's a shitty /lit/ meme.
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>>8682770

>meme

Sounds pretty spooky to me.
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Does Stirner call it a "Spuk" in German or is it translated from something else?

What is Tocqueville speaking of when he says how property is the final right to be abolished/attacked and the battle of the haves and have nots in his recollections of the french revolution of 1848.

Why was division of property such a big deal at the time?

I would appreciate other background information which might be crucial to understanding the text as well. Thanks, and no i'm not doing this for school.
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>>8682785
>bumping after 20 minutes on a slow board
do this again and i will kill you
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Sorry, don't know. But Tocqueville is pretty based.

There are people in Europe who, confounding together the different characteristics of the sexes, would make man and woman into beings not only equal but alike. They would give to both the same functions, impose on both the same duties, and grant to both the same rights; they would mix them in all things--their occupations, their pleasures, their business. It may readily be con- ceived that by thus attempting to make one sex equal to the other, both are degraded, and from so preposterous a medley of the works of...
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https://books.google.com/books?id=1icdBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA155#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=SnzS-8X0UeQC&pg=PA200

https://books.google.com/books?id=6TO0BAAAQBAJ&pg=PA520

http://oll.libertyfund.org/quote/355

http://oll.libertyfund.org/pages/tocqueville-s-critique-of-socialism-1848

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Find a flaw.
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Make me.
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>>8682694
You're on 4chan. Some self you got there.
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>implying that, after finding it, i can communicate it to any other human being

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Who was or were the fuckin idiot(s) who thought that language was meant to describe 'things'? What was the point where it all derailed? They sure fucked us up...
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What was it meant to do?
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>>8682690
you asking me to describe the thing called 'language'?
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>>8682703
no, just state it's purpose.

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What are the most comforting lines you've ever read in literature or poetry?
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We weren't serious when we're seventeen...
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>>8682612
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
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Timshel.

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Hey /lit/
Where to start with this bad boy?

I like Robert Bresson so I was thinking Journal d'un curé de campagne or Mouchette
How good is Sous le soleil de Satan?

Also recommend me some french /lit/, I need to practice
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>>8682322
... plz /lit/ notice me
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>>8682322
Les grands Cimetières sous la Lune is his masterpiece for me. Le Journal is difficult and I would prefer to it le Soleil. But you can begin with what you want, all his work is incredible.

Some others you can like : Bloy and Huysmans
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>>8682364
thank you /lit/
i'll check them out

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Where does one start with the Irish?
I mean, the Táin Bó Cúailnge is the most famous work, but looking around there's a mess of other narratives, including those, apparently, of other mythic cycles. Also, which recension of the Táin to read, first or second?
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>>8682320
Hey baby!
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>>8682320
Irish person here. Why bother? No one in Ireland actually reads Gaeilge literature and none of our writers ever payed any serious interest.
Even Yeats just invented his own fanfiction.

But then I understand you're a weeb so have no real taste and are just looking towards it as a pretentious consumer brand
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>>8682393
>I haven't read it and I'm proud of it

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ITT: We improve the first lines of classic novels

>Waking up to a loud crash rarely means something good is happening. It’s never “CRASH! Mom made pancakes!”, because mother died today.
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>All happy families start their mornings the same way; but when you're in an unhappy family, waking up to a loud crash is commonplace. But whether it's "CRASH! Mom slept with the tsar!" or "CRASH! The golden retriever is raping the maid!", every morning with an unhappy family is unique.
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>Malachi, light of my life, fire of my loins. My luck, my lack. Ma-La-Chi: The meeting of lips then the tongue that slips between but for the trapping of teeth, taken back and caged against the roof of the mouth. Ma. La. Chi. He was Buck, plain Buck in the morning, bearing a bowl of lather on which a mirror and a razor lay crossed. He was Mulligan in his yellow dressing-gown. He was Bucky at school. He was Buckle in the boat-house. But in my arms he was always Malachi. Did he have a precursor?...
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>I wish I was dead.

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Was he a bug-seeker? Is the only way to truly understand his work to infect yourself with terminally hot seed?
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>>8682275
Yes, poz loads are the only lens through which we can understand the great work of Foucault.
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>>8682275
Foucault was the French Milo Yiannopoulos. He was a libertarian Friedrich Hayek fanboy and IRL troll man who went around college campuses triggering the SJWs of his day. he's only missing the MAGA cap, could any of you lads do me a favor and photoshop a big red MAGA on Mickey F's head?
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>>8682326
this is the shittiest b8 I have ever read on this board

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>in the book shop
>queue up beside like three people
>the guy in front of me buys Ulysses
>*shakey hands*
>pay for the books
>ask the guy if he's read Odyssey or Portrait
>"no"
>ask where did he find out about Ulysses
>shows his phone with the "must-read" list 101 alongside...
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>>8682203
>Wilde
>Kafka
Enjoy your utterly misplaced sense of superiority, faggot.
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Does every anime poster have asperges?
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>>8682203
how did you find ulysses, OP

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Let me propose a hypothetical situation /lit/: A 16 year old male. An average, if not impressionable young man. He has a fair knowledge of the arts for someone of his age, yet he wish to become great; specifically in literature.
You have been sent to be his mentor.
How do you go about teaching him and mentoring him on a path to become great?
What do you make him do?
What do you make him read?
Do you make him do explicitly literature related tasks and works or do you encourage him to experience the world?
Any answers are appreciated /lit/ & pic is somewhat...
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>>8682151
I take the Greek approach and fuck him
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>>8682151
get b&
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>>8682151
make him read dorian gray and send him to work as a gay male prostitute in a working class part of town while taking most of the profits.

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Do you think that the internet has shortened our attention spans? Just look at the popularity of things like twitter, with their (how much was it, 150 character?) word count. I personally wonder if I used to be a stronger reader when I was younger, I also think Harold Bloom may have been right when he said that people don't read as much because there's so many screens for people's attention to be occupied. I read an article for my introduction to writing class before I quit college, which was basically all speculation about how the internet shortens people's...
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Sure but you can correct it my man, just open a book and turn your phone off
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>>8682111
attention spans haven't shortened
but the number of unique distractions has grown larger
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Yes, the effect is quite strong and the scientific studies so far seem to support this. Okay, I'm bored now. Peace out

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What is honestly the point of poetry?
Narrative? Prose does it better
Intellectualism? Prose does it better
Emotion? Music does it better. Prose does it better too
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>>8681966
Elegance
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>>8681966
>Emotion? Music does it better.
There's no fundamental difference between the way poetry and music convey emotions.
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>>8681966
Dichten = condensare

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i was depressed then i became a voluntary egoist.
why don't you give it a shot anon?
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>>8681965
I cant because I remembered I forgot I made myself forget I am a living god.
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>>8681981
god is a spook buddy
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>Spooking yourself
You can't escape it, my friend.

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Hi guys, I'm looking for books in English because it's been a long time since I read one in that language. Any recommendations?

Epic Fantasy or Sci-fi genre preferred.
Survival books type like The Martian are also fine.

Thanks in advance
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Go into the science fiction and fantasy general and ask them.
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>You know what? “Kilowatt-hours per sol” is a pain in the ass to say. I’m gonna invent a new scientific unit name. One kilowatt-hour per sol is…it can be anything…um…I suck at this…I’ll call it a “pirate-ninja.”
>All told, the Big Three need 69.2 pirate-ninjas, most of that going to the oxygenator and the atmospheric regulator.
>Conclusion: I don’t need the water reclaimer at all. I’ll drink as needed and dump my waste outdoors. Yeah, that’s right, Mars, I’m...
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>>8681961
Ask the containment,

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Why is he so praised?
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>>8681827
He's Mariachi Pynchon.
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>>8681864
How are they even similar
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who /didnt get the ending/ here
2avant4me

Does it pass the Bechdel test?
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NO!
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Well, I think not, but it was written much before Bechdel was born. Also society in the middle ages was considerably different to what we have now, or had in Bechdel's days. I don't really understand what makes you ask such a question.
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>>8681704
>giving a shit about an cunt-rate in literature

kys

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I'm halfway in this masterpiece, how come I've never seen it here?

It has everything you could want from a story:
Alphonse, a young Walloon officer, is travelling to join his regiment in Madrid in 1739. But he soon finds himself mysteriously detained at a highway inn in the strange and varied company of thieves, brigands, cabbalists, noblemen, coquettes and gypsies, whose stories he records over sixty-six days.

The author committed suicide
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>>8681556
not a meme book, no one read it
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>The author committed suicide
We already have a few others who did, that's not a selling point.
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>>8681556
Sounds interesting tell me more?

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Are there any thinkers against the very idea of Individual Rights?

Consider transportation. The most effective way to reduce cost, time, and accidents is to ban all forms of personal transportation.

It would be functionally free, virtually everyone would spend anywhere from 100% to 1000% less less time in a vehicle, accidents would basically cease. It would simultaneously satisfy all transportational needs and wants using current vehicles and infrastructure better than 10 exponential Technological leaps, only harming malignant Egotists.

Apply the same...
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>>8681420
One central authority would be in charge of telling everyone where to go and how to get there. In this context it's pretty harmless but once you start surrendering your individual rights to a central authority you're gonna have a bad time. This is why we need to abolish the department of education.
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>>8681420
>special interest group wants something banned in order to serve their particular interests
>this turns out to cause other problems of greater importance
>but because we have reformed away our individual rights there's nothing anybody can do

There's no law preventing people from taking the bus. They use their own vehicles (at great personal expense) because they choose to allocate resources that way, and...
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That's a cool opinion, OP.

If you try and take my car I'm going to fucking shoot you.

>and thus, the concept of individual rights was born.

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What book will make my life good?
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>>8681275
no book will make your life worth living

clean your messy room.
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>>8681275
The Holy Bible, by James, King
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>>8681275
try this

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Hello friends,

I'm looking for the most comfy philosophy/ideology to subscribe to.

Which one should I chose?
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Hello, friends?
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>>8681153
Common-sense realism, pragmatism, neopragmatism, Witty.

Intellectual life on easy mode, plenty of modern proponents.

Not sure if that's the comfy you're looking for though.
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>>8681153
>Which one should I chose?
You should just read and come to your own conclusions desu.
Or you could read my dairy desu: full of pure ideology!

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>Karl Marx suffered from abscesses all over his body, but particularly badly affected were his backside, his groin and under his armpits, which he himself described as 'a mess'. Painful lumps on his inner thigh would grind against his trousers, making even a short walk very difficult. Sitting was often impossible because of the carbuncles on his bottom. A large boil beneath the shoulder blade would make lying down quite an ordeal. In particularly black moods, Marx would hack at them with a cut-throat razor.
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he sure knew how to fix politics though.
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>>8681085
wtf im a nazi now
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>>8681085
Karl Marx is a mess.

Karl Marx is a big fat mess.

Karl Marx is a waste.

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Is he, dare I say it, our guy? I liked his youtube videos
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>>8681063
No and you shouldn't have
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>>8681063
If that spoiler is serious, get the fuck off our board
I'm not kidding
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>>8681148
why do you hate freedom of speech and not creating an echo chamber of ideas which anti social justice warriors hypocritically claim to be against when in reality they're just projecting?

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What are some common pitfalls amateur writers find themselves in?
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Not writing every day
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Confidence vs. Self-awareness, credit to The Zombie Knight web serial author who pointed that out to me.

Some are too confident, so they write their dialogue-only fanfics based on popular tv shows and think they are amazing for doing so. Usually younger writers, but older writers who just write slock can fall into this trap over time too where they decide "I'm only going to write about historical revisionism" or "I'm going to write something no one will understand"(Finnegan's Wake).

Self-awareness is the writers who don't...
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>>8681061


>>8681302

This is all just theoretic. Stop thinking about your approach to writing and just start writing so much that you know how to avoid technical pitfalls.

Such as:

Purple prose. Bad grammar. Terrible underlying structure. Meaningless babbling. Pointless theme. Obsession with aesthetics and motifs before being good at characters and story. Inconsistent voice. Inconsistent characters. Inconsistency in general. Lack of knowledge before...
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What does /lit/ think of Edward Said?
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>>8681057

Orientalism is a great idea but a flawed book, it's too Arab-centric when it comes to "Western perceptions of the Muslim world" and ignores that the Turks were the hegemon in the Levant for far longer than the West has been
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>>8681074
This is true. I enjoyed Orientalism and thought it had some valid points, but Said is very selective with his history and seems to search only for cases that prove his point, and some of his analysis is very ahistorical.

His other essays and books, though, are worthwhile; I liked his writings on literary theory, particularly postcolonial stuff.
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>>8681057
what did he say?

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Because philosophies are spooks.
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Taleb wouldn't agree I think.
As for Taleb, he has a gift for connecting the dots and doing it in an entertaining matter. He has good ideas on his own.
Sometimes I do think that his bashing of certain stuff goes to far, but I think that's the point.
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>>8681025
>Taleb wouldn't agree I think
Why do you say that?

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>The purpose of a chair is to be comfortable. If a chair isn't comfortable it isn't a good chair.

How do you respond?
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"You're right."
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>>8680909
Sharpie in pooper
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"Fag."

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What do you guys think of Barthes and authorial intent?
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>>8680892
it was a short read I wanted to last longer
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>>8680898
Read the Author function by Foucault
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Absolute charlatan carried by the fashionable zeitgeist of debunking structuralism whenever possible

Thank God nobody takes him seriously anymore


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