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How come Casares's biography of Borges hasn't been translated yet?
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Sorry, I've been flat out. I'll get right on it.
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>>8680835
not necessary, Borges' life story is your life story
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>>8680835
holy senpai ill do it

Daily reminder that there is no objective quality in anything and literally any writing is just as "good" as shakesphere.
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>>8680767
>Shakespeare
>Good
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>>8680767

Aesthetics thread?

Anyone recommend any good readings on the topic?
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>>8680811
Observations on the Feeling of the Beautiful and the Sublime

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What are the consequences of a deterministic world anyways

Why is it such a contested position
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>>8680690
>Why is it such a contested position

Autism. Its why its only talked about in the analytic (the reddit) tradition
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I was going to reply, but I always put a lot of thought into my replies and never get responses. It makes me feel being here is such a huge waste of time: yet I keep posting. So I'm here to say I'll break out this loop, and I'm never posting in this board again, for as long as you people stay as blindly insensitive, stupid and indifferent as you've been. Think about it.
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The mechanistic/deterministic picture of the world has no room for agents, it makes agency in its true sense an incoherent concept

We subjectively feel like agents, this is constitutive of our consciousness and of all "choices" we make. The fundamental logic of our understanding of the world is based on subjective wills being free, beginning with our own.

No matter how much we try to remind ourselves or instill in ourselves this mechanistic, unfree conception of "myself" or "other human agent," it can only be artificial, can only...
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Who here /norm/? This book was rather brief but hilarious and captivating. I got an absurdist vibe from Norm's narrative voice and I enjoyed the inversion of various memoir cliches.
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>>8680444
Didn't know this was out yet, I'll read it soon.
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>>8680444
I have it ready and waiting on the shelf for when I finish my current read.
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>>8680474
What are you reading currently

hello /lit/

how do I write well? what's the formula to good sentence structure? how do i portray a message?

kind regards,

Trog
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>>8680401
write words one after another
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Instinct, high innate verbal intelligence, and enough reading you can consciously or unconsciously crib some style from established authors

Really good writing is like wit, 90% innate

You can be a proficient writer by practicing and getting enough honest feedback so that your style isn't tryhard
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>>8680410
sometimes i find that I can write fluently and well and consider myself to have some sort of inherent talent

then i write complete drivel and throw that out the window

why does this happen

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I'm not necessarily looking for writers who've written hard, painful, depressing stories, but I want to know who would win the tragedy olympics for writers, when it comes to their actual lives.
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>>8680384

Nietzsche, hands down.

His health problems were countless and terrible.
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>>8680384

There's this one writer who wrote all of his books in his head, and died by fire.

They never found his brain in the wreckage. Also he was a parapalegic and his father beat him and his mother put drugs in his breakfast because she hated him. Also everyone called him a fag. Also he was dirt poor his entire life.
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>>8680425
i'm guessing, your diary desu?

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Discuss.
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>>8680371
He is
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>>8680379
This
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i objectively fucked your mom lol

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Who are some of the most based intellectuals of all history? Exemplary men who could have easily coasted through standard paths of their time, but instead held fast and brushed off many expectations most intellectual may be tempted only for not much more than to us to now post, "yeah, but at least he wasn't a faggot."
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Benjamin Franklin
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>>8680274
thankfully wittgenstein didn't become an engineer
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>>8680274
Goethe, da Vinci, any other polymath

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Are they any good?
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>>8680261
>he doesn't even have a Nobel Prize

Dropped
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>>8680264
He's the one who really deserved it. Would've been a better Canadian choice than Alice Munro, too.
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>>8680264
flying under the radar of a blood guilt founded by the guy who invented dynamite is a higher honor than you can ever hope to receive bub

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I fail to properly conceive of a notion of truth, all I seem to be able to conceive of is a notion of "inclination", and truth seems to be nothing but the highest degree of inclination.

I suppose this is generally seen as a feature of truth with most debate on the subject (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/truth/) focusing on what makes this highest degree of inclination, or truth, really possible.

I seem to be inclined in saying that truth seems to be best described by a correspondence theory which is to say that when it is said that something is true...
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>>8680255
-humans are hedonistic, especially women
-men fantasizes some ontology behind the words they create
-then they fantasize about ''an accurate description through concepts of what they experience'', because they know that being a rationalism is stupid, so they strive to turn their rationalism into a bastardized empiricism
-they call truth some ''universal agreement amongst the living people, total strangers they live with''
-so, men care about what other men say
-so,...
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Truth is having one anus!
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>>8680255
This is literally a 2500 year old question. You aren't going to "solve" it.

Read some Platonic epistemology if you want to see some of the earliest attempts to tackle this.

>something is true that thing accurately describes a feature of the world, but then I find it hard to see how anyone can ever know how the world really is

For example, this would be totally rejected by Platonic idealism which holds that the senses perceive a world that is in flux/changing/coming...
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Is there anybody who was more absolutely correct about everything? I don't there is
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Think
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>>8680260
I'll try, but my head hurts everytime
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Nope, Hermeticism is best.

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will it ever be topped?
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Maybe. But it's hard to imagine.
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>>8680240
underworld came out the year after. I do like the jest1000 a lot (even though oblivion had better shit (haven't read the pale king yet though ))
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>>8680240
I'll top your faggot ass

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>Victorian Literature
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>>8680125
Exactly.
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Mhm
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>>8680125
His idleness was not hygienic, but it suited him very well. He was in a manner devoted to it with a sort of inert fanaticism, or perhaps rather with a fanatical inertness. Born of industrious parents for a life of toil, he had embraced indolence from an impulse as profound as inexplicable and as imperious as the impulse which directs a man’s preference for one particular woman in a given thousand. He was too lazy even for a mere demagogue, for a workman orator, for a leader of labour. It was too much trouble. He...
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When does something become your property and you "own" it?
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>>8679991
When I kill you when you try to take it.
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When the majority of the people who could take it from you say it is, the biggest one being the governement.
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>>8680008
>>8680009
Wrong, its my property regardless, as everything is my property

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If so could one post it. I keep seeing "red pill" around and I want to read what it's all about
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marxism is the reddest pill of all, comrade
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No. Fuck off.
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>>8679958
Fuck off

>>8679954
Red Pill is just a popular phrase. It's a dankmeme at heart. The Matrix capitalized on it well. It's just a course towards enlightenment. You should just read a wide variety of stuff, and you should try to grow to become an individual of virtue.

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What's some good general ways to learn random shit, about history, technology, the world. I want to be one of those writers like DFW who always has little tidbits to drop and tell people about.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
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>>8679948
Wikipedia is incredibly biased, ie look at any gamergate or trump article and tell me thats an objective encylopedia. Total joke.
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Pass first-year STEM then use your over-inflated sense of worth to mystify BA kiddies who lock themselves into a blind science vs. art dichotomy.

I've been stuck on this question for a long time now and decided to revisit it. Every time I challenge myself to a discussion of ethics in the end the question always ends up to "Why is killing another human bad"

Can anyone give me an answer based on logic?
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>>8679858
There is no God or objective ground for morals beyond freedom because freedom is all humans have (freedom here means making choices)

if you make the choice to kill someone, you have just eliminated all possibilty of them making choices forever.

This is wrong.

The end
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>>8679864
Why then is it wrong to eliminate all possibility of freedom for an individual?
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>>8679858
If you have reason to believe the net sum of their future actions furthers whatever cause/s you choose to champion, it's bad.

Otherwise, killing another human being is neutral to good.

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Basta mi sono scocciato.
Mi sono veramente scocciato.
All'inferno. Tutto e tutti.
Non mi interessa più niente. Ho provato con l'educazione da anni e non è servito a nulla. Ci provo e ci riprovo. Ho regalato, ho scontato, ho fatto di tutto. NIENTE. Non una singola parola. Quattro anni e non una singola parola spesa da parte di nessuno. Per dio, un insulto almeno. Un bel "quello che scrivi fa schifo". No. Niente. Nemmeno quello. Lasciato nel silenzio totale. E nel silenzio morirò. Ma prima distruggerò tutto ciò che ho fatto affinchè nessuno...
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6/10 find a balance between selling out and conveying your message and people will read you.
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>>8679845

English would help as well, considering the venue.
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>>8679845
..whoever you are..thank you for have not ignored me..

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What's /lit/'s opinion on audio books?
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they're fantastic, allowed me to get a lot more 'read' by using time when I usually either listen to the radio or podcasts.
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>>8679802
Audible in particular is great, lets you add notes to segments of the audio to check back on later. Plus I have an income so the fee is reasonable.
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>>8679802
>>8679808
I was thinking about trying it out but I was looking for some opinions on it before I pay 30$ for something I wont listen to.

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Example being the tone shift in the last third of Dhalgren. Not looking for horror itself because the genre is full of hack frauds.
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:/
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i haven't read dhalgren so i'm not sure i fully understand the tone you're looking for, but i would say that jg ballard novels have a creepy/unnerving dimension that never really delves into horror territory.
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Kafka ofc

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So the story I'm currently is an original world, inspired by real-life cultures and history. It involves an extremely large empire which I'm modelling after 300AD Western Rome. Most aspects seem easy to mutate or change.

However, one in particular is military organization. Rome organized their troops by cohorts, legions, centuries, auxillaries, and some of these terms are still in use today. The problem is that these terms are inherently Roman, so would it make sense that a world without Romans would use these very Roman words?

Almost every fantasy story...
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>>8679703
Just write the story and stop worldbuilding. These things will come to you naturally.
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As long as it makes sense within the context of the story then it will make sense in the story. If there's a reason why it shouldn't happen then it will be annoying, but if it's a possibility then no one really cares.

If you want to be autistic about it, then give a reason why it's like that. I don't know why the roman soldiers were organized in that way, but maybe organize them in that way in English, or whatever language the story is in.
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being a romefag I can tell you it was just the language then.
Why would they speak english?

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What's the point of even adding this?
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>>8679701
I dunno, what's the point of a 2.26 mb blurry jpg?
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Youth in Asia.
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I have that book.

it's just meant to be a showcase of all of Sappho's work, no matter how fragmented it is.

I guess it can also be looked at as an aesthetic

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Is this worth reading?

I'm not /pol/ and have no fascist sympathies. I just thought it might be valuable to read for the purposes of understanding Hitler.
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>>8679630
Yes. Skim it though, there's no discernible talent
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Only cool for historical purposes but Hitler was a fag so you should read it with about 4 levels of comical irony. He dared to mess with the anglo sphere and got rekt.
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>>8679630
Not really, it's a rambling, turgid mess, which is not surprised because it was dictated...

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>There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
>Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

What did he mean by this?
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To love and live here and now. Admire the beauty of it all instead of always wandering in your head.
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In this scene Hamlet was calling out Horatio for being super reddit.
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>>8679612
That's retarded.

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Post the best short story writers
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H. Murakami.
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I enjoyed Alice Munro's collection "Dear Life."
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The one and only.

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>We are unknown to ourselves, we men of knowledge

What did he mean by this?
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In soviet Russia, self knows knowledgeable YOU
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>>8679468
Basically philosophers are all autists who don't take enough time to figure out where their thoughts are coming from and as such make blatant, massive fucking mistakes at the very root of their projects which was what allowed Nietzsche to do what he did, deconstruction of the entire philosophical project.
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He's saying all those stuck up philosophers were actually all big dumb dumb heads except for me cause I'm better than them and also very knowledgeable.

Sonic's first game is fast,

His physics, unsurpassed.

His early games, really great;

But all too soon, out of date.

When "D" subsides to "3."

So fanboys can't concede,

So Sega lost their way,

Nothing fast can stay.
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what would Joyce think of think of vore fanart of Sonic the Werehog
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send it to chris-chan

also, here is the first google result for your poem

http://www.geek.com/games/scientific-analysis-discovers-sonic-the-hedgehog-is-actually-quite-slow-1596081/
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Sega is obsolete you stupid fuck
Sonic fanboy? Shit, you're out of luck.
Modern video games are far more deep
It's not like sonic could snipe from a jeep.
Although I agree the games had their merit
A contemporary gamer couldn't bear it.
That's all I have to say, I'll let it be...
Perhaps you should just fuck off back to >>>/v/?

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The US election has me wondering. Are we all living inside of a Thomas Pynchon novel?
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I don't fucking know
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probably
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I'd dig it. You should write it.

What am I in for, /lit/?
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>>8679317
I honestly found it tedious.
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>>8679317
You're in for
>tfw no gf
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>>8679334
Is Werther /our guy/?

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Why does the cultural underclass hate Gatsby so much? Does it have something to do with their inability to appreciate formalist aspects of novels?
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>>8679302
yes
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>>8679302
Because they teach it in American high schools.
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>>8680054
This here.

Why is that though? Is it because being taught at high school means it's seen as 'beginner lit'? Is it because it means that lots of people have read it, and thus it carries no cultural cachet to have read it?

There's lots of people here who've indicated that high school English is what encouraged them to be a reader, so it seems weird that people would regard it as a seminal experience while also hating the books that were taught.


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