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why do I never see

Robert Coover
Donald Barthelme
Raymond Federman
Perec
Joseph Mcelroy

talked about on /lit?
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>>8824958
>>8824958
Not sure.

Source?
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>>8824958
we don't read
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>>8824997

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I was gonna re-read W&P over Christmas, and I’d been thinking about making a thread about it to sync up with anyone on the board who’s doing the same, when I had the idea that we could open up the reading group to /his/ if anyone over there is interested in joining in, considering the central theme of the book is /his/tory.

Objectively 10/10 Reasons for joining this reading group:

>W&P is objectively the greatest novel ever written (inb4 Tolstoy said it wasn’t a novel; there’s cultural reasons for that)
>It’s...
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selfish bump
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>>8824953
I'd like to, but I'm barely 200 pages into The Idiot.
When do you plan in starting?
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>>8824953
Yeah anon, that sounds like a swell plan

I read anna karenina back in the day, why not
What translation?

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>finally get around to picking up that 'classic'
>it's vacuous bullshit

What's it's name?
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>>8824919
*what's its name?

Damn
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Charles Dickens?
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Books don't have names, they have titles.

Hello /lit/ its been a while since I started posting shit here, but i want to get into philosophy. I dont have any current experience about it. Theres any good books for stupid people like me who wants to get into that?
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>he has to ask for help instead of just browsing and looking around for a bit

Not gonna make it.
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>>8824913

1. pick a philosopher
2. pick a work
3. read it.
4. read all secondary literature you can find on it
5. pick another of his works
6. continue until you are finished and have mastered that philosopher.

if you get bored in any of the first five steps, it means you've picked the wrong philosopher or philosophy isn't for you. in any case by the time you're done with this you now know enough about that one philosopher for his thought to be your lens on another philosophy, and you...
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>>8824913
Start with the Greeks

what the what now? why does DFW start writing like a high kite
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he thought that was how uneducated people thought, or wrote, or something.
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>>8824904
classism
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>>8824904
maybe to show that even the weirdo and stoopid people still have some grasp of language and still some intelligence and purposes there, and he while attempting to display this also tries to make it something poetic to even further the suggestion

>at least three "what did he/she/they/ mean by this" variants on the front page of lit
When will it stop
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WAY TO CONTRIBUTE A METAPOST HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH LIT. SAGED.
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>>at least three "what did he/she/they/ mean by this" variants on the front page of lit When will it stop

what did he mean by this?
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>>8824875
Hey um
I know you're not a bad guy I know you're just doing what you usually do
But Im gonna have to point it out
Im gonna have to ask you to do somethin and Id like you to hear me out
You just said what did HE mean by this
And Im just wondering if you were in the room with anon because youre his friend maybe in which case its all groovy groovy
But if thats not the case (and Im assumin its not
Maybe just maybe if you could try and not assume his gender okay
Maybe if you could just...
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I want to learn more about post capitalism, /lit/, where do I start?

>inb4 le greeks
already done bro..
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>>8824811
Wealth of Nations
Das Kapital
Economics in One Lesson
General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money
Capitalism and Freedom
What is to be Done?
Unabomber Manifesto
The Pure Theory of Capital
This Changes Everything

The list covers most of the major perspectives on capitalism, and understanding of which seems like a prerequisite to reading about post-capitalism.
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>>8824811

Ignore the first response unless you want to funnel yourself into traditional marxist irrelevance. Post-capitalism in this century will be based on evolutionary, network and/or complexity economics. TED-talk tier intros include Jeremy Rifkin and Cesar Hidalgo.
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>>8825037
>>8824964
I'd love to learn more about capitalism and ideologies overall desu got any tips on where to start

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What is Der Steppenwolf about ?
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>>8824780
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>>8824780
this is all my Steppenwolf stuff.

So how come it seems like people on this board hate reddit so much? Did something happen between this particular board with the other site's reading board or the whole website in general that was a big event that I just didn't hear anything about? There seems to be all these bizarre prejudices against reddit boards or if you post a tumblr picture.
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gb2r
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>>8824761
It's because reddit is shit. Go there and stay there.
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>>8824771
But why? I want answers dammit!

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Recommend me authors that are openly against inmigration.
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Newfriends will respond to this
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>>8824698
>Phonefag calling anyone new
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>>8824720
>thinking 'newfriend' is autocorrect
>calling anyone new

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What are your personal opinions on these books recommended by NdT? Are they any good?

https://www.brainpickings.org/2014/12/29/neil-degrasse-tyson-reading-list/
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>>8824578
This never stops being funny
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>>8824585
Huh?
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>>8824601
Newfag detected

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I don't know if it's just me, but I feel nostalgic for things that never happened in my life.
I'm a 20 year old British man, but I feel nostalgic about the idea of living in the suburbs in the USA, being 13 and friends with cute hipster types, watching horror movies, urban exploring and finding love and the feeling of the hour of september between 4-5 o clock.

All these ideas make me crazy nostalgiac, yet I have no real experience of any of them.

Is this a regular thing?
Does media and literature really have that big of an impact that it affects...
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This phenonemon has been called 'hauntology', wanting to be part of something that never existed. Have a look at Mark Fisher's essays, even though he writes too much about British electronic music for my taste.

Possibly also have a look at The Shipwrecked Mind, which looks at your 'condition' as one of the main raison d'etre of modern reactionaries.
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>>8824482
Why are millenials who are barely out of college obsessed with "nostalgia"?
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>>8824482
Well, it's not like 'finding love' and 'friendship' isn't a universal term that most if not all human beings share...

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What does the cyberpunk canon consist of? I'm talking anime, film, as well as novels. Clearly pic related. Ones I got so far

Blade Runner
Neuromancer - Sprawl trilogy
Snow Crash
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>>8824473
if you like anime you need to see the original bubblegum crisis ova

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FaQ0zfZFYw

don't watch bubblegum crash, a.d. files or a.d. policie whatever it's called and not the bubblegum crisis remake. they're all shitty.

if you like blade runner check the original BCrisis out.
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>>8824490
Thanks anon, I will
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Just tried watching the second Ghost, its garbage. I hope the hollywood remake is going to be at least less shitty

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>>8824468
YES
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>>8824471
Would it be ironic to spend such a long time reading In Search of Lost Time?
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>>8824477
YES

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>tfw Ulysses made me cry
Am I the only one?
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>I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes.
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>>8824466
it made my head hurt
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>Phaedo made me tear up
am i the only one bros

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>that one book you couldn't even force yourself to finish

What's her name?
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River of gods. It was recommended from here and had some interesting set up, but every other chapter involves trans sex.
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>>8824419
Why not you pleb
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>>8824428
I read all of Plato's work and decided to move on to Aristotle with NE. Far too dry and condescending for my taste. And most of his works are outdated natural science and political crap

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Tell me about your 3 favourite non-philosophy non-fiction books pls
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Story of Art by Gombrich
Pensar la ciencia by Koyré (I know he is a philosopher, but this book is History of Science). Not translated to english afaik.

That's it, third place would be for an art/photography book I guess.
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GEB
Quantum Computing Since Democritus
Road to Reality
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Ordinary Men
The Cheese and the Worms
Seven Pillars of Wisdom

>don't want to work
>want to be a writer
>shit at writing

ruin me
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part two

wooohooo
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part three

reeeeeee
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part four

my writings a bore

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>Non-fiction

>factual
>real world applications

>Fiction

>made up
>doesn't apply to the real world at all

give me 1(ONE) good reason to read fiction over non-fiction
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Jackie Chan.
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Entertainment anon
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>>8824327
The reason is that people by nature are myth-makers and they turn everything they can perceive into a myth. Thus all things posses mythical capabilities, like a room for a example. You might not know anything about the new room you step it, but immediately you know that it's a nice (or awful) room, you create a story of this room, you fill it with mythical elements. Same with all the things, including facts. No matter how stand alone and grounded facts you can have, they all will be coiled by myth - and there's...
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Which Donald book is the one to read?
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You have no intention of reading them, you just want a /pol/ thread on /lit/.
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Mein Kampf also this >>8824262
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иcкyccтвo cдeлки

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Hello /lit/,

What your thoughts on ebook industry? Do you think there is money left to be made on self-publishing on platforms like amazon? Is there any of you guys making bank publishing books?

I have some ideas that might work, criminal tales, comedy, romance, etc. but i honestly don't know if it's worth the time writing it. Also, English is not my mother tongue, so it would be especially difficult to write it to a much larger market.

Enlighten me on this matter, mates.
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>>8824231
This board is dead.
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I started little while ago, haven't made shit though. And I've only got about a handful of actual downloads even though they're free now
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Full time self publisher here. Key is too have a series or two and to have books under pseudonyms in fringe (gay romance, sports fiction, 10-12 yr old material and horror short stories.)

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>Then God said, “Let the earth put forth vegetation: plants yielding seed, and fruit trees of every kind on earth that bear fruit with the seed in it.” And it was so.
Wait, wait, hold it there. What is this vegetation? Seed? Tree? Fruit? Did God create the ideas of these things first, or have they always been, as God has always been?

pls no bully, I never thought about this in bible class at elementary school
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>>8824225
It was written by ancient people. It means anything you want it to.
The "one true church" is only yours, in your head, (should you choose to found it) are you asking what other denominations think?
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According to Philo of Alexandria, a Hellenized Jewish Platonist, the garden of Eden was something akin to Plato's intelligible world or world of ideas, and the various trees thereof and man himself were akin to ideas in the mind of God. Plato himself describes the intelligible world as a "meadow" in the Phaedrus, where the souls of gods and men were given nectar and ambrosia and live forever. Clement of Alexandria, in the Exhortation to the Heathens, uses similar language as Plato, but instead of nectar and ambrosia he says mana of heaven.
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There is moreover in the Platonic Tradition the concept (taken from the Stoics) of logoi spermatikoi or seminal reason or "reason seeds" that are sowed as it were in the soil of the material world by nature in order to produce natural fruits. The material world doesn't directly interact with the ideas, but with the logoi that are images of the ideas. The Greek philosopher and theologian Maximus the Confessor develops this concept from a Christian perspective. Every natural phenomenon is due to the seminal logos inherent in it and the Divine Logos in Jesus Christ...
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How do I dress like a writer?

I could ask /fa/ but pic related
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>>8824167
>one has to dress like a faggot in order to become a writer
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>>8824167
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>>8824167
If you think your clothes will improve your writing style you might as get your birthday suit and take a big marker pen to draw "doomed" onto your head.

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Write a letter to someone you hate but can't say these things to because it goes against your rational self-interest.
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>>8824033
>ywn fuck his fat face

Why live, bros?
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>>8824038

To fuck some other fat face?
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Bump

I want to write a bad novel.

I know I do not have the skills, but I still want to write it. I've won a few short story awards and have 2 fantasy novels published of which I am not proud since language is shit, characters are shit and plot is average. What saves the novels is violence and male-female antagonism.

Now I'm thinking of a novel involving a girl on a wheelchair and emotionally crippled guy. He becomes her assisstant due to some outer power and eventually they fall in love. It's supposed to be a story of physical vs. mental hendicap.

My...
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>>8823923
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Cheesy and clichéd, but if you can get it hammy in just the right way then maybe it'll be the next Me Before You of romance lit for normiebitches.
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>>8823967
OP here.

>Cheesy and clichéd
That's my feeling too. I think I just like a challenge.

You get my point completely.

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>100 pages in to wealth of nations
>100 pages of long winded Econ 101 examples

Should I bother continuing?
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If you wanted to learn mathematics would you start with a book by Euler? Or any other dead and gone mathematician?

A similar idea can apply to Economics. Studying the history of economic thought is a very different thing of course.

Just know that the invisible hand was only mentioned once in the book so you can avoid having to bear the condescending glares of some pseudo economist dumb enough to think they can learn anything by read the entirety of the Wealth of Nations. You won't take anything else out of the book that you won't get from a modern textbook...
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>>8823920
No. It's much too convoluted to make anything of it. Just read a textbook; or, if you're really interested, read an analysis of The Wealth of Nations.

>>8824051
Tl;dr, etc.
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>>8823920
I just tried Capital by Picketty

Luckily it is in the format of a modern academic paper and you can get the entire gist of the book in the introduction, along with supported notes. Wealth of Nations is a slog and best read in a sourcebook or analysis.

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Rest in Peace John Montague

Irish Poet
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Posting some of his works

ADAM's APPLE

Her skin is smooth
as peach or appleblossom
-or a snakeskin.

The snake's fangs gleam,
the fruit glistens
as warmly in her palm

as ever it shone
on the holy tree.
He savours it

so slowly,
it sticks in
our throat forever.
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PILGRIMS

A warm summer evening, near Multyfarnham.
Two young pilgrims, on their way home
from the all-night vigil of the Mission
Short-cut down the railway lines.
Near dawn, they drop their shriven heads down
On the rails. To die like Elizabethans,
Two torsos yielding two bright crowns.
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PSYCHIC SURGERY

There are times when
one should be able
to pluck off one's head
like a dented or worn
helmet, straight from
the nape and collarbone
and place it firmly down

in the bed of a flowing stream
of clear, clean, cold water
coursing and spuming through
the sour and stale compartments
of the brain, dulled eardrums
bleared eyesockets, benumbed
nostrils, barely open,

and then set it back again
on the base of the shoulders:
well tamped down, of course,
the laved skin and mouth,
the marble of...
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does it have any literary value?
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It's Hitler you dip. Of course it does.
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>>8823849
yes it's still a top seller in many parts of the world
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>>8823898
>>8823861
neither of these answer the question at all

is it good? could Hitler write?

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So I have a friends birthday and I'm looking for a perfect for her.

-She has studied journalism and is now doing a master on media and communication.

-She is also studying Chinese and is moving there next year.

Hit me with your best recommendations, thank you.
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Baudolino
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Bash her head in
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>>8823903
didnt like that one

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I miss her so much.
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>>8823737
Who?
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>>8823739
Yer mom, fag.
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>>8823744
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