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Are millennials capable of producing great pieces of literature, classics even? Will one of us write the next Don Quixote?
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yes
noone knows
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Absolutely not.
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>>8674989
What makes millenials different than other generations? They should have the same ability to make a great work of literature that other generation have had, if not more so.

Just finished this book and it was pretty good, lads. I've read The trial, The stranger and Catcher in the rye from Lit's recommendation chart but this is the first time I found the prose to be great.

I really liked the themes of self reflection and the search for meaning of life. I must admit though that I didn't fully understand Sidharthas insight at the end of the book and what it was that was so profound with the river metaphors.

What's your opinion on this book /lit/ and what should I read after this one?
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>>8674923
>yet another horribly plebby thread saying "the prose is good" and mentioning the "themes" of the book without saying anything about it

Why do you guys still read literature? Why do you pretend to understand it at all?
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Do you want a similar book or a good book?

Honestly, just read something from 19th century Russia and you'll probably enjoy it.
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>>8674942
Please show us some examples of the wonders produced by your mind.

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Any sophists on this board? Stay still, this will only hurt a lot
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All philosophy except positivism is sophistry
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>>8674820
i am a literal self-aware sophist that posts to /lit/ daily. ask me anything
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>tfw you're the only transophist you know

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Any good postcolonial poetry? I know Derek Walcott but there has to be more than just this guy, thanks for any recs.
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Seamus Heaney.
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>>8674790
You'll trigger the frogmen from the alt-right
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>>8674801
James Joyce wrote postcolonial poetry? Nice, what was it called

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This hoe is as much of an utopian as Marx
Why does /lit/ love her so much?
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shes hot
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>>8674773
What? There is rarely praise for her here, it's usually criticism of objectivism or her prose
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>>8674773
Freedom loving board

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Favourite Southern Gothic writers?

Been burning through a lot of Faulkner, O'Connor and McCullers lately. Any suggestions for who to read next? The more obscure the better since I've already covered a lot of ground with the "canon" SG writers.
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Corncob's early stuff.
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Only really read Faulkner and O'Connor but they're great. Love Nick Cave's music too. Wonder if that southern gothic novel he wrote is any good.
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William H Gass

Is anyone else uncomfortable with the rationalism of traditional Western poetry?

The rhetorical, argumentative style, the bloated allegories, the analogies that seem as obligatory as a tie on a business suit? Even rhyme seems to encourage arithmetical thinking and rationalisations.

I don't know enough about Latin or Greek poetry to see how far back this goes, but considering the popularity of Latin poems in the renaissance, it must be deep rooted. I think it's related to the explicitness of Indo-European grammar. Every word has its clear case ending and an arithmetical relationship with another word in the sentence; verbs are obligatory, number is explicit, time is explicit, conditionality is explicit. Playing with this existing structure was an easy way to distinguish yourself from the peasants and their simple folk songs. But the result is a very cold and rhetorical strain of poetry.

Romantic poetry gets eccentric, but doesn't lose this didactic, explict, "here is my pamphlet" style of writing. 20th century poetry begins to lose this, but it also throws all concept of dignity or refinement out the window. Is there really no other way out than to burn it all to the ground? I can hardly accept that.

I am unsettled. That is precisely the word to describe my relationship with the Western tradition.
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>>8674711
I don't read western poetry or poetry at all much, but everything you say is reflective of the general mindset of the west.
You've given a good cursory description of the basis of consciousness of westerners.

These are the terms of their thoughts. In order to reach an order of thought beyond these terms, these terms have to be employed cunningly.

So what uninitiated person can guess if the poet is stuck in this mindset himself or if he is beyond the barrier manipulating it, trying to make...
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>>8674711
>I think it's related to the explicitness of Indo-European grammar. Every word has its clear case ending and an arithmetical relationship with another word in the sentence; verbs are obligatory, number is explicit, time is explicit, conditionality is explicit.
Isn't having the ability to communicate a situation the original purpose of language as a whole? What separates Indo-European from other language families, in this sense?

I don't speak any non-Indo-European...
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>>8674711
"Homosexual"

Where is the threshold between "Genre fiction" and "Serious literature"?
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Part 2
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>/lit/ like it: srs lit
>/lit/ hates it: shitty genre fiction made for plebs.
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>>8674621
Here's what genre fiction is meant to mean:
>a work that relies on the tropes & cliches of its genre; a cash grab without any effort behind it, or babby's first self-published copy-cat
Here's how people use it in practice:
>a work that is part of a genre that is mostly filled with the above shitty works

Hence why LotR and Blood Meridian are called genre fiction when they aren't.

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Have I written anything you liked?
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No, I only read the greats like Dean Koontz, Clive Cussler, James Patterson, Dan Brown, Lee Child, Tom Clancy, and Stephen King.
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Bump

I'm Peter Freuchen AMA
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>>8674606
your suicide note was some dope ass shit

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Where do I start with this guy? Any flowcharts out there?
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>>8674477
don't, he sucks ass
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In approximately chronological order. Try Pickwick Papers or Oliver Twist first.
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The Flintstones Christmas Carol

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Guys I really fucking suck at reading. I tried picking maldorer and I read like 3 pages of it, and I just couldn't understand what the fuck he was saying after a while. I mean I understood the first few pages, but then it just started to get really obtuse. I picked up the windup bird chronicles and read a couple pages of that and it was a fucking breeze.

So it seems like for some reason some books are more difficult to read than others and I don't know why. I don't know why sometimes I pick up a book and I just can't figure out what the hell it's...
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Frankly you're too stupid to understand what's being said, but that can be helped by reading other things, find out what is enjoyable to read, then read it, and then try to find something more challenging, jumping directly into the hard stuff isn't going to be a satisfying endeavor.
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>>8674378
No need to be mean.
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>>8674416
You misunderstand! I only recognize it because I've experienced it myself, if you're new that's a natural feeling. Being too stupid doesn't make you stupid if that makes sense.

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Create an erotic fiction based purely on the photo below
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>>8674326
Stop masturbating to underage boys you fucking creep.

MODS
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Here's the photo.
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>>8674341
Hey you! I'm gunna stick my dick in your butt in the showers tomorrow!

Those were his first words to me as I entered prison. I couldn't wait. Prison was beginning to look like everything I'd dreamt it to be.

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For anyone who's read Jerusalem by Comicbook Meme-man what did you think of the chapter "Round the bend"? I understand half of what's going on and then the other half is gibberish
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I refuse to buy Jerusalem unless they make it a single-volume paperback.
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>>8674344
Fair enough I went for the hardcover I'd say they'll do it eventually
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>>8674298
looks like finnegans wake but dull

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What are some books you would describe as a girlfriend simulator?
inb4 Bovary or Stoner, qt waifus only pls
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>>8674042
Wittgenstein's Mistress if you're into crazy chicks
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>>8674042
Lolita.
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bump for interest.

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what do you think of this guy
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>>8674035
I have only read Chess story in hungarian from him.
Currently reading it in german,and it's rather good.
His life was sad.
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ive read The World of Yesterday and i think it was really good
now im reading a collection of short stories and i cant say im really liking it that much
it feels much more amateurish and forced
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>>8674035
good writer, i like him.

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>the 'Stranger' is just a regular normie that is slightly autistic

Wow, truly existing on the fringes of society. Bravo Camus
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>>8674013
Thanks for summarizing the plot; I gave up after the 12th page because it was too boring.
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>>8674013
A good looking autist who manages to function at work and get girls. But that's the thing incel anons, even if you could stop being NEET's and get girls you would still be unhappy like him
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>>8674013
Has anyone tried to live like Mersault?

What did it turn out like?

inb3 you shot an arab you know what I mean you turbo-autists

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I just finished the final volume of Will Durant's Story of Civilization. He made it to around ~1815 and the end of the career of Napoleon and then he died.
It was a general history and could be said to suffer from superficiality, but I liked what he called his "integral method" of history whereby he spends a lot of time going over the major cultural, artistic, literary, and philosophical currents in a given time.

So, are there any books that present history in this manner that cover the times where he left off? I guess anything that's covering the 19th century.
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Durant is kind of an oddity and I feel like his method resonates with ideas of "histoire totale" before they gelled with a very social-economic history basis, much more materialist, in the early-to-mid 20th century. You might like someone like Jacob Burckhardt, but he doesn't cover modern history.

My first instinct is to recommend the Stalinist apologist card-carrying historical materialist Hobsbawm's stuff on the 19th century, but you can already see how different that is.

I can think of things with methods similar to Durant's, but they...
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>>8673938
>>8673973

Have you read this history book before:

http://www.realhistorychannel.org/THE%20BAD%20WAR2apdfversion.pdf

?
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>>8673982

You never responded.

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By the Spanish newspaper El País

1. 2666, Roberto Bolaño
2. La Fiesta del Chivo, Mario Vargas Llosa
3. Los Detectives Salvajes, Roberto Bolaño
4. Tu Rostro Mañana, Javier Marías
5. Bartleby y Compañía, Enrique Vila-Matas
6. La Novia Luminosa, Mario Levrero
7. Soldados de Salamina, Javier Cercas
8. Borges, Adolfo Bioy Casares
9. Corazón tan Blanco, Javier Marías
10. Rabos de Lagartija, Juan Marsé
11. La Grande, Juan José Saer
12. Anatomía de un Instante, Javier Cercas
13. El Desierto y su Semilla, Jorge Baron Biza
14....
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Hope Spanish literature gets a new Bolaño soon
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Top 25 in spanish what?

Books? Fictions?
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>>8674115

The closest thing we had this year of a new Bolaño is actually a new Bolaño's posthumous work.

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Post a writer you want to start reading but haven't yet because you're timid or unsure of where to begin.
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>>8673438

arno schmidt
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>>8673438
>>8673443

joseph mcelroy
william vollman
john barth
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>>8673438
Whitman

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Sam Harris' and Daniel Dennett's views on free will are almost identical in consequence imo,

In fact Sam's view might even be more beneficial than Dan's but whatever

Also general FW/D thread
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Free will determinism or all three?
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nothing really changed since the times of epicureans vs stoics :3

>For they themselves do not concede to Epicurus, for the sake of the highest considerations, a thing so small and trifling as the slightest deviation of a single atom — which would permit the stars and living creatures to slip in by chance and would preserve from destruction the principle of free will.
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>>8673215
Sam Harris is wrong about free will

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Is this a good guide? I've read:

>The Bible
>Mere Christianity
>The Everlasting Man
>Brothers K
>Divine Comedy

I'm about to start Fear and Trembling. I want to learn everything I can about Christianity. How should I go about it?
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>>8673065
Just read the Iliad instead.
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>>8673065
Aristotle Ethics + Augustine City of God are pretty much all of Christian thought and are not hard reads.
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>>8673065

The guide is good, but I'd probably throw in Gulag Archipelago by Solzenichen, especially if you're already interested in existentialism.

I only began to read/study/compare literature when I was 17, so I had an already developed maturity in history, philosophy and politics to understand better the classics.

My brother, on the other hand, is a 12-year-old who is the smartest kid at his age (he's a chess/math prodigy and has an absurd memorization ability) but naturally still doesn't understand those social science concepts at large.

What are the best books for him to read in order to get a grip on literature? I couldn't possibly expose him to most /lit/ essentials/meme books without...
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how about you let him be a kid instead of being one of those socially-stunted 2smart4u individuals incapable of socializing with their peers

wait until hes 14-15
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>>8672894
/thread
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>>8672894
>>8672916

Well, as I said, he's already very smart, so it's too late to make him have a normal childhood/puberty. Nonetheless, he's extremely kind and sociable. He's the one who's asked me to recommend some classics, so I'm trying to think of good books for the exact opposite reason of socially-stunting him.

Best WW1/WW2 books?
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>>8672363
I should clarify, fiction books, not history books.
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Life and Fate
Storm of Steel
Under Fire
The Good Soldier Švejk
Three Soldiers
The Thin Red Line
With The Old Breed
From Here to Eternity
Catch-22
A Farewell to Arms
Taken Captive

Here are a few.
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>>8672363
Evans' Third Reich trilogy is tip top as far as the war in the west.

Hannah Arendt's Eichmann in Jerusalem as far as the holocaust.

Vaino Linna's Unknown Soldier was an excellent novel.

Churchill's Memoirs and Shirer's Rise and Fall for classics.

>>8672364
Fuck you

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If a tree falls in a forest but there is no one around to hear it, does it still make a sound?
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If you commit suicide will anyone begin to give a fuck about you?
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If I masturbate but no strangers see me, is it still enjoyable?
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>>8672294
For a sound to be a sound, someone has to hear it. Otherwise it's just vibrations in the air

ITT: Talentless hacks.
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Shelley was trash
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Useless faggot
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>>8672306
you ruined it. Stop forcing this shitty meme.

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What is the most /lit/ country on earth?

Russia? France? Britain?

The US?
lmao no ofc not
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>>8672040
R U S S I A B T F O S A L L O T H E R C O U N T R I E S W H E N I T C O M E S T O N O V E L S
Not sure about other genres though. Maybe Britain or Italy for poetry
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THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!

Either that or New York.
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>>8672044
Plays too
Or perhaps Scandinavia for plays

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>Why do we need extensive study of literature to be mandatory teaching in schools, when the only useful thing it teaches is basic use of the English language?
>Why do we need artists and people to study arts? What do you contribute to society?
>What is the point of getting an English degree when the job prospects are so few?

How do you respond, /lit/?
>bonus points for not mentioning spooks
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>>8671934
why do people need to 'contribute' to society? the model of society as it exists now is barely sustainable or even logical. The full employement STEM neolib utopia is probably even more of a pipe dream than Full communism
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>>8671934
360 and walk away.
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>>8671953
>why do people need to 'contribute' to society?
Because you eat up society's resources that you didn't produce, faggot.

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Do you keep a diary or journal, /lit/?

If so, what do you use? A paper notebook? A text file? Some sort of encryption? Something in the cloud?

What do you write about?

desu general
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>>8671868
I've got a file full of autistically categorized journals on my desktop called "Journal Dump", categories include "Writing", "Scrapbook", "Important numbers and Details", "General Life", "Cooking" and "Social Plans".

Anyone else do this?
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>>8671873
>"Important numbers and Details"
Like dubs?

Would like to know more about 'general life', 'cooking' and 'social plans' as well.
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>>8671868
I write on loose sheets of paper then put them in one of those cardboard boxes companies use to store paper records of things. It's about a third full.

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It seems to have hit its mark pretty well.
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Needed more ideology desu
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>>8671747
Horcruxes were a mistake

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I'd like to listen to/watch interviews to authors /lit/ dig. Here's one of my favourites, it's in Spanish, I don't know if there's an English-subtitled version, but anyway, here ya go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gu9l_TqS8I

I can take Spanish or English, but just share shit you liked.
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cume
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>>8671513
Edward Said's final interivew, basically on his deathbed knowing he's going to die soon.

It risks the impression of being maudlin on premise but its actually an incredible account of his life and his reflections of what being an intellectual meant to him
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>>8671523
Forgot link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NNuczNFyZM


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