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Recent Purchases Thread. How is this Stendhal book? I saw it in the clearance section so I grabbed it.
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>How is this Stendhal translation?
Trash, probably
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The blue one is Something Happened, sorry for the bad quality pic.
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Local bookshop had a sale on a sale whilst having a sale.

Went full hoarder mode and walked away with a full 15 euro worth of books.

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>Dylan treats her words with a certain hesitation. “I suppose so, in some way. Some [of my own] songs –Blind Willie, The Ballad of Hollis Brown, Joey, A Hard Rain, Hurricane, and some others – definitely are Homeric in value.”


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Do you agree with Bob?
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Seen the arrow on the doorpost
Saying, "This land is condemned
All the way from New Orleans
To Jerusalem."
I traveled through East Texas
Where many martyrs fell
And I know no one can sing the blues
Like Blind Willie McTell

Well, I heard the hoot owl singing
As they were taking down the tents
The stars above the barren trees
Were his only audience
Them charcoal gypsy maidens
Can strut their feathers well
But nobody can sing the blues
Like Blind Willie McTell

See them big plantations burning
Hear the cracking...
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1/2

Born in Red Hook, Brooklyn, in the year of who knows when
Opened up his eyes to the tune of an accordion
Always on the outside of whatever side there was
When they asked him why it had to be that way, well, he answered, just because

Larry was the oldest, Joey was next to last
They called Joe Crazy, the baby they called Kid Blast
Some say they lived off gambling and runnin' numbers too
It always seemed they got caught between the mob and the men in blue

Joey, Joey
King of the streets, child of clay
Joey, Joey
What made them want to come and blow you away

There was talk they killed their rivals, but the truth was far from that
No one ever knew for sure where they were really at
When they tried to strangle Larry, Joey almost got hit the roof
He went out that night to seek revenge, thinkin' he was bulletproof

Then, the war broke out at the break of dawn, it emptied out the streets
Joey and his brothers suffered terrible defeats
Till they ventured out behind the lines and took five prisoners
They stashed them away in a basement, called them amateurs

The hostages were tremblin' when they heard a man exclaim
Let's blow this place to kingdom come, let Con Edison take the blame
But Joey stepped up, he raised his hand, said, we're not those kind of men
It's peace and quiet that we need to go back to work again

Joey, Joey
King of the streets, child of clay
Joey, Joey
What made them want to come and blow you away

The police department hounded him, they called him Mr. Smith
They got him on conspiracy, they were never sure who with
What time is it? said the judge to Joey when they met
Five to ten, said Joey, the judge says, that's exactly what you get

He did ten years in Attica, reading Nietzsche and Wilhelm Reich
They threw him in the hole one time for tryin' to stop a strike
His closest friends were black men 'cause they seemed to understand
What it's like to be in society with a shackle on your hand

They let him out in '71 he'd lost a little weight
But he dressed like Jimmy Cagney and I swear he did look great
He tried to find the way back into the life he left behind
To the boss he said, I have returned and now I want what's mine

Joey, Joey
King of the streets, child of clay
Joey, Joey
What made them want to come and blow you away

It was true that in his later years he would not carry a gun
I'm around too many children, he'd say, they should never know of one
Yet he walked right into the clubhouse of his lifelong deadly foe
Emptied out the register, said, tell 'em it was Crazy Joe

One day they blew him down in a clam bar in New York
He could see it comin' through the door as he lifted up his fork
He pushed the table over to protect his family
Then he staggered out into the streets of Little Italy

Joey, Joey
King of the streets, child of clay
Joey, Joey
What made them want to come and blow you away
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2/2


Sister Jacqueline and Carmela and mother Mary all did weep
I heard his best friend Frankie say, he ain't dead, he's just asleep
Then I saw the old man's limousine head back towards the grave
I guess he had to say one last goodbye to the son that he could not save

The sun turned cold over President Street and the town of Brooklyn mourned
They said a mass in the old church near the house where he was born
And someday if God's in heaven overlookin' His preserve
I...
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From the sticky
> Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own.
Here's a low quality catch all thread to stop those. No more low quality threads! Here's a questions that don't deserve their own thread thread.

Question: Does anyone have the source of George Orwell saying that Oceania falls sometime after the book ends? I remember some anon here mentioning it here once.
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Where to start with Gaddis? JR or Recognitions?
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wtf is wrong with amazon
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>>8672729
In the case of dead authors, I think following them will just give you updates for new editions/translations etc. Still weird though.

Is Amazon still recommending books based on what others purchased at the same time? Always thought that was a useless feature.

Whose the literary equivalent?
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The Bibles
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>>8670613
Mine.
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>>8670628
this

Probably anything with a strong poetic value and catholic imagery. Paradise Lost, maybe.

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Okay /lit/, I'm gonna start with the Greeks. I haven't read anything but 20th century american fiction for the last year and I'm ready to reset the clock. Based on pic related and the history of philosophy chart I have put together the following reading progression:

Mythology, Edith Hamilton
The Iliad, Homer
The Odyssey, Homer
The Histories, Herodotus
Three Theban Plays, Sophocles
Theogony,Hesiod
Works and Days, Hesiod
Elegias, Theognis
The First Philosophers
Complete Works, Plato
Complete Works, Aristotle
Fragments, Heraclitus
Fragments,...
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Also here is the other chart for those curious
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>>8670482
Yeah, don't try and read the entire works of Plato unless you are absolutely loving it, otherwise you'll burn yourself out and give up. For Plato, I would advise you to start with the four Socratic dialogues, then onto The Republic.

And read the Oresteia by Aeschylus, rather than Persians.

Don't worry about Theognis, Parmenides, or Epicurus right now.

For The Iliad and The Odyssey, try and get hold of Fagles' translations. You can get them for your e-reader from libgen.
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I can't believe people still fall for this shitty chart.
Was the general population always this autistic or has the internet created unprecedented levels?

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GRI Edition

What GRI approved book did you read recently?
What GRI approved book was released in 2016?
Which book is the best sleeper GRI novel?(fooled you into thinking it was wholesome family fun)

Fantasy
>Selected: http://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg/
>General: http://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg/
>Flowchart: http://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg/

Science Fiction
>Selected: http://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg/
>http://imgur.com/a/90laS

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repostan from last thread:

How do you guys feel about works in which the first half (which could be a novel on its own) follows a particular theme whereas the second half is almost completely disjoint in focus and theme aside from a few characters (including the MC)

For an example, I once "wrote" a work whose first half was a re-imagining of Ocarina of Time whereas the second half was basically Attack on Titan but with dragons pls no bully

>>8669386
what...
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>>8669626
let it die.
let /sffg/ die
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Does 1632 belong here?

Post country, and books you had to read in high school.
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>>8669319
I don't even remember
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>>8669338
Hence, you had to read shit.
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seriously fuck this book
also >scotland

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>I have not set foot in a grocery store in years. Nevermore will I bumble through endless confusing aisles like a pack-donkey searching for feed while the smell of rotting flesh fills my nostrils and fluorescent lights sear my eyeballs and sappy love songs torture my ears. Grocery shopping is a multisensory living nightmare.

First paragraph of my novel, what do you think? It's going to be about going to the mall.
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>First paragraph of my novel
Pain bloomed behind his eyes, and for the third time in as many days he vowed to give up drink. He drank.
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>>8668726
I want to fill her pussy and ass with my cum
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>>8668726
Thanks, I puked all over my desk reading this.

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Good morning /lit/
Today is a fine day
Yesterday I woke up only to find my grandmom in my new house after I moved out with a large envelope with my name written on it
Cool shit, I don't receive spam mails often

Except it wasn't spam mail
It was a contract
A publisher is offering me the chance of publishing the book I wrote 2 years ago
They will think about everything, from formal corrections to the various promotional things ( I will probably have a stand in Turin, in Frankfurt, in London and in the America book expo)
There is an if
I...
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>>8667696
Ask to meet them in person to talk about it if you're really suspicious, but otherwise I'd say go for it. What are you willing to lose on this? Some money or the chance to get your book published?
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>Is this shit legit?
No. See:
>They're asking me for 100 copies paid beforehand
Not a real publisher.
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>>8667696
This is incredibly obviously a scam. However, you should name the publisher so we can see how amusing the scam is.

PS I literally don't understand the bit about your grandmother and your new house which you've moved out of (?)

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Which books do fascists read?
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The Communist Manifesto.
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they don't read books they burn them
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>>8666672
Starship Trooper

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I only scored in the 88th percentile on the Reading and Writing portion of the SAT. How should I kill myself, and what is the last book I should read?

>I'm 18
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my diary desu
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Ego and it's Own, you are mortally spooked.
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>>8665978

Depends, reading and writing have been separate sections for years now, meaning you must have taken the test as a small child. I bet you'd do better taking it now.

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Yes, I am a pleb.
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Agreed.
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Yes, OP. I absolutely will help you validate your self-worth by praising your obvious intellectual superiority based on the number of meme novels you pretend to like.
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>>8657613
What does /lit/ think of Shogun?
asking since i picked it up recently

Also how is that book on the Tao?

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This femanon commented on a thread on /b/ about the short stories she writes on a website and I bought her shit to read, so I'm gonna share it with you guys, because it's sexy as fuck.
>fapped
the one I bought is about her taking her step brothers virginity
wait for me to post the prints of the full story (pic came with the story)
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Is it worth it to learn naval jargon just so i can read these books?
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>>8675311
No because they look like shitty genre fiction anyway. Tbh though, I doubt you'd need to put to much effort in - its not like genre fiction authors can expect much intellectual exertion from the general public. In other words, I think learning naval jargon to read those books would be a waste of time, but if you're really intent on reading those books, you could probably do so without really learning too much.
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Just read Moby Dick. Then you won't even want to read that shit afterwards, a win-win
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I liked how my version of moby dick had some explanations to the jargon used in the back.

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What is the anal with Kendra Lust of literature?
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Moby Dick.
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Happy to see Peterson and his ideas begin to propagate in the cultural consciousness.

Its like, go us, aye?
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>>8674853
/lit/

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Sam Harris, Stefan Molyneux
Wittgenstein, Heidegger
Nietzsche, Schopenhauer

Who wins: 21st century's top philosophers, 20th or 19th?
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>>8674649
Stale bait, try again.
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>>8674657
Kys

This anti schopenmeme board thing is old
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>>8674649
generally speaking, one has to be a philosopher to be considered a top philosopher

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I'm looking for formally experimental fantasy works. Anyone besides Gene Wolfe (whom I've been reading) that I need to check out?
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>>8674575
Borges, although people wank on and off about if he is or isn't fantasy. Either way, you'll probably enjoy it if you like things that are not real and things that are experimental.
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Wolfe and Borges are probably the best
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>>8674806
>>8674816
Been meaning to read him, os I'll get a collection soon. The only other fantasy writer I've been happy with really is Brian Catling.

I like Hemingway, Faulkner, and Steinbeck.

Call me pleb or whatever idgaf.

Rec me some authors.

For what it is worth...I think highly of Nabokov, but oftentimes his stuff is just too eccentric for me.
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Cormac McCarthy if you haven't read his stuff already. Start with The Road, work your way up to Blood Meridian.
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Flannery O'Connor
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>>8674108
Thanks brother.

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get her ugly ass face out of that
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>>8674020
That pic is cringy as fuck.
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What was going through her mind as she struck that pose

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Is there any worth in analytic philosophy before the ~70s when they stopped being so autistic about logic and linguistics?

I'm always puzzled when I read big figures of analytic philosophy because they have an extremely narrow-minded view of what philosophy should be and what questions are meaningful. Isn't the major goal of so-called "continental" philosophy to examine precisely that which comes before language and grounds it, and to emphasize the societal relations that form the dominant ideology in any philosophical tradition?
Analytic philosophers...
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>>8673987
>analytic philosophy
>stopped being autistic
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I think it's worth reading them to understand their worldview, but logical positivism is definitely dead as fucking dead. Wittgenstein is making a bit of a comeback after having been crazy fashionable and then unfashionable because of how sick of people abusing him everyone was. Frege and Russell are still important in the philosophy of mathematics, and the Vienna Circle's program is at least interesting.

I think there's something valuable in trying to understand how these people were straining so hard to ground themselves in logical positivism and atomism....
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Why was this fan-fiction tier garbage given J K Rowling's stamp of approval and made canon?
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>>8673919
Because Rowling doesn't give a shit about her own universe anymore.

I haven't read it but my friend worked on the Polish translation and says it's the worst job she's ever gotten.
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I saw a gypsy reading it while waiting for the bus
Top tier trashbook for plebs
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>>8673924
Find an epub/pdf version online. The whole thing will take you 1.5 to 2hrs max to read. Then you'll see how bad it is compared to the main HP books.

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Lads, what is your favourite Ballard work?
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Gonna have to say Atrocity Exhibition.
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crash is the purest
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Only read High-Rise and didn't particularly like it. Far too heavy-handed, is his other work similar or actually worth a read?

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Do any of you do "morning pages" or a similar exercise everyday? Has it helped? I'm doing this at the moment but I'm only in my first week

http://www.writersdigest.com/qp7-migration-books/writing-better-lyrics-excerpt
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>>8673795
>Do any of you do "morning pages" or a similar exercise everyday?

I try to fact check some of the people on this web site:

http://thezog.info/list-summaries/

every morning as a kind of crossword puzzle. So far I only found two or maybe three mistakes (people incorrectly identified as belonging to the wrong ethnic group) on the entire list.
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>>8673795

I go to study literature, faggot. I write so much i think paragraphically. i don't need to do any of this queer shit to stay sharp. i breathe language.
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After years of doing small pages here and there, I finally googled writers block techniques and found the worst cases of it so I could compare their methods.

In all instances, habit was the biggest factor, followed by 'just start writing, even if it's just a diary entry', and then of course lifestyle. Stress, exercise, sleep, etc.

What's working for me right now is setting a timer and trying to do two hours of solid writing a day. I can split this up into two hour chunks, or four half hour chunks, but unless I am feeling absolutely like garbage-in...
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>He can't type at 85 wpm
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>he doesn't type with only two fingers
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1000 is the bear minimum hear, lad,
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>>8673712
My language has long ass words.

What are some books both philosophical and fictional that help with the understanding of religion? What are some must reads? What books will help me apply religion to my daily life to live a good life?
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Diary of st. Faustina
Interior of a Castle
The New Testament
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>>8673716
Thanks Anon.
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>>8673711

the consolation of philosophy by boethius

it was tremendously influential in the medieval ages

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https://youtu.be/QKwMFas9XnY?t=5m56s

>Tfw I found /lit/
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>>8673701

05:56 btw.
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>>8673701
I remember watching this four years ago. You just found it?
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>>8673727

he's young and new to all this so he doesn't know old content from new.
>h-hey it is at 05:56 btw.
lol

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Are memes spooks?
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No, but spooks are memes.
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No. Stop trying to ruin Stirner.
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>>8673585
>Being this spooked by Stirnerism
ZING!

What makes a good children's book?
I'm interested in writing stories that not only teaches the child something but also brings value to the parent reading it to the child.
What were some of your favorite childhood books. If you had a child, what would you read to them?
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>>8673549
Dr Seuss taught me to read and count more than the actual school did, then I stepped up to Beverly Cleary (does anyone still read her? Mine were all hand-me-downs), Hardy Boys books, and eventually the Hobbit. I'd give any of them to a kid, along with Brian Jacques who I didn't discover until I was too old, and Gaiman's younger-aimed work like Coraline.
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>>8673549

The Little Prince is in a weird limbo for me. I only read it as an adult after seeing it was apparently the highest grossing book of all time according to Wikipedia and because there was a French animated film adaptation that was getting good reviews.

The book is sad in ways that I'm not sure I'd want really little kids (my own if I had any) to read it, but it's also very clearly a children's book that isn't quite a proper chapter book like Roald Dahl's books or the Harry Potter...
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>>8673549
The best children's books (in the realm of fiction) tend to do similar things:

>don't talk or dumb down material
>have engaging illustrations
>not too long or too short
>use loads of literary techniques

being a good kid's author is tough as hell

Louise Ehler is a great one.

My personal favorite kid's book right now though is Fox by Margaret...
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sup /lit/, tomorrow I'm leaving my city to go live and work and write on an island. After being paralyzed by fear I'm finally doing this and I wanted to ask you guys if you know any books about this subject, about traveling or leaving and adjusting to a new life elsewhere. It's kind of soothing for me to think about these type of novels or stories and the writers who may have done this kind of thing, which aren't few as far as I've read.

and no I'm not saying I'm chasing the literary lifestyle or some shit like that, I just want to...
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>>8673507
stop by /int/, that would be more productive than here
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>>8673523
could be but I trust you guys better for some reason.
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If you like SF-fantasy, read Lord Valentine's Castle. It's an easy and kind of shallow book but the world is fascinating and the characters travel through most of it.

hey /lit/, I was at a local bookstore and I picked up an 1856 edition KJV since it was only twenty bucks

I'm long overdue for getting breadpilled, any advice on how I should read the Bible? Is the Old Testament very relevant to Christians?
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>breadpilled
Martyr yourself.
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>Is the Old Testament very relevant to Christians?
Yes. The New Testament will not be nearly as edifying without the OT, because the NT is built entirely upon the OT.

My advice is read the books in order. The more you study the History of places and names you don't know, the more you will get out of it. If you are unfamiliar with Babylon, Assyria, Canaan, etc...the less those stories are going to stick. Carthage is a good way of vicariously studying Canaan btw, as Carthage...
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>Is the Old Testament very relevant to Christians?

The Old Testament is substantially the sign and shadow that the New Testament casts light on and reveals the true meaning of. Although there are many beneficial stories, precepts, and reflections in it even without the light that the New Testament casts upon it.

>any advice on how I should read the Bible?

Don't read it like a novel, cover to cover. It's not a single book, but a library or collection of books; that said, you pick a book...
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