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Is there a piece of literature that touches on the notion that no two people receive the same reality similarly? That each and every person's internal consciousness is unique, and that if they were to experience the exact same thing as one another, they would internalize the abstract completely differently? Basically making language only useful for communicating only the most external layer of our lives, making individual existence ultimately lonely?
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wittgenstein's private language

hegel's phenomenology

gadamer's truth and method
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>>8823617

Any fiction?
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Orhan Pamuk - The White Castle

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my cousin gifted me the Upanishads last year for my birthday and now I want to read the bhagavad gita and dhammapada

what should I expect?
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Bhagava.. Bhaga.. Bhaganna work here anymore anyway
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To get the most out of the Bhagavad-Gita it's better to just read the whole Mahabharata. Read the book in one of my Hindu lit classes in school, very beautiful story.
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>>8823616
why troll the poor man

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Who is the best french writer ? Name his best book.

>Honoré de Balzac
>Ferragus
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>>8823584

>Jules Verne
>Paris in the twentieth century
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>>8823584
Now that I think about it French literature is utter garbage.
>Dumas
>The Count of Monte Christo
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>>8823598
>>8823620
Terrible taste

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>Read the bible
>Arrive to the conclussion that the Father,the Son and the holy Spirit are just reprrssentations of the same God and that the Father,the son and the holy spirit only exists when a man interacts with them
> Go on google to try to read and de bate about this.
>Read about Sabellianism
>Find out that I am a filthy heretic
Can I be saved guys?
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>>8823540

>Read the bible

>Come to the conclusion it's propaganda created by cunning people riding off the success of a man who may or may not have existed .

>Find out I am somehow a filthy fedora just because it's uncool if you sound even remotely like you come from reddit because 4chan just wants to be on that extra layer of anti-establishment, therefore it's cool to not question religion again.
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>>8823602
>it's propaganda created by cunning people riding off the success of a man who may or may not have existed .
t. Hasn't read the bible
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>>8823540
>be me
>reading through a dictionary of heretics throughout history
>find a sect that is literally my name with -ism on the end
>tfw you realise that you're a god

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who is the kid cudi of literature?
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niggers can't read let alone write
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>>8823551
people talk shit bout me, deep down they knowing they aint right

mmmm when i walk in the room, they can't look in my eeeeyes
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>>8823556
MMMMMM
MR RAGER
TELL US OF YOUR PROBLEMS
TALKING BOUT THE JOURNEY
MOHAOOAHOHAOHAHO

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How can I improve?

Run in the jungle, deep in the jungle
Rumble, rumble, please don't stumble
Dum dum dum, is that the sound of a drum?
Continously vibrating, rhythmically beating

Dum dum dum, goes the sound of the drum

Perverted blackness here, but this isn't night
Why? I feel the opressive heat of July!
I can't breathe properly because of the stench
of rotten flesh, that seems to come from the trees themselves

Dum dum dum, goes the sound of the drum

The trees are vicious, old, colored scarlet
with the...
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rhyme 'nigga' with 'nigga' about 30 more times and you're golden

t. poet
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>>8823481
this sounds like a crimp from the mighty boosh
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>>8823487
What does that mean?

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Is Italian worth learning for literature? What are some great Italian authors and books?
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>>8823430
pertrarch, dante

their italian is very different from modern italian, I think moreso than our english is different from shakespeare's
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For literature I'm not sure...I live in Italy so it's wonderful to speak and read Calvino, Pirandello, and svevo. But Dante and Boccaccio are much closer to Latin than modern Italian so I'm not sure how much that Gould go for you.

On the flip side it's not a difficult language to grasp... much more difficult to master.
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>>8823453
Italian is a nice language because as far I as know it's writing is transparent and close to the pronunciation, which would help a lot with learning it.

And what would you say about contemporary Italian lit?
And the last question, how much would knowing some latin help? Is the grammar similar?

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Write something off the top of your head and let others rate your writing style:

I'll go first,

I have nothing better to do than mess around on my laptop late at night. It' fun though. At least, it has been, for the last 5 years. (I just realised that every night since 2010, I've messed around on a computer till I fell asleep, which probably adds to around 1,600 nights. This figure will most likely grow at the same rate until I die). Thinking about this is frightening. If someone told me this would happen when I got my first laptop I'm pretty...
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Array of fear like gold
Finds the crown jewel
Of each mans work
In the shape of a river
To the crescent waterfall
Of eye

The sweet dissolves
And honeys hue
Is stirred and settles
Until the shade of
Milk in blue
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>>8823414
OP is a tryhard faggot

r8
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In regards to that most foreboding of reverberations; that dreaded and ominous noise; that most terrible, unsettling, catastrophic of cacophonies; that which fills the whole room with auspicious terror; that CRASH!, loud like a fullisade of cannonfire; it must be said; if only in a grim mouthed utterance in the upstairs of a three-story hostel in the seedy part of Hamburg; that seldom does an event of magnanimous good occur after such a dreadful din. In all of history; even those antediluvian parts of it that spoke of Sumer and the fish like creatures that did dwell in the Tigris...
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What is the best, BEST edition of Moby Dick out there?
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>>8823360
the melville is very good
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>>8823360
>What is the best, BEST edition of Moby Dick out there?

Fuck off, reddit. Unless you're reading a translation, what the fuck difference does it make? In all seriousness, you're the cancer that's killing this board. Seriously contemplate your own suicide, faggot.
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>>8823360
the one that you buy and read before starting a dumbass thread about it

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If we were to make one of these for authors, how would it look? Please help me fill it in. I think Camus is chaotic good. Nietzche is neutral evil. Dostoyevsky is lawful neutral. Aristotle is lawful good.
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>>8823322
>welp /tg/ is sick of this dumb meme
>lets take it to /lit/!!!
fucking chaotics get out
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>>8823322
you literally got all of those wrong
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Melville is chaotic neutral
Joyce is true neutral

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>"[insert here] is a spook"
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>America is a multicultural country

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlyVzFjINBk
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>>8823290
your anger is a spook, property.

:^)
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>>8823315
The notion that everything is a spook is also a spook tbqh

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>get book from library
>put hold on it
>cancel hold to renew online when necessary

anyone else do this? am i a complete asshole?
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I LOVE Ahegao
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>>8823140
Yes. Have you considered kys?
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>borrow multiple books by a single author
>only finish one of them

>borrow books for the maximum lending period (One Month)
>return them unread
>check them out again a week later

I can't stop.

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>six years ago
>confused about life
>/lit/ tells me to read philosophy, gives me a list
>work through the Greeks, Hume, Bacon, Kant, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, and Camus
>finally getting around to Heidegger
>feeling that I've accomplished absolutely nothing
>would have been better off getting a gym membership

Want to trade these brains for gains.
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>>8823116
gains take like two years, three hours a week, plus hitting your macros, which takes no extra time, to acquire
you could've and should've done both
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>>8823116
As >>8823123 said.

What makes you think you have to choose one or the other?
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Should've done yoga and learned a martial art instead. Better for your mental health than reading pseudointelluctual posturing and more practical applications than useless muscles.

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Any notable ones?
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>>8823089
the coelacanth is irredeemably wrong
it makes god guilty
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>>8823089
>Human
>Homo
more like "OP is here" amirite
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according to this stupid chart im related to a monkey??? a god damned monkey?? lmao gimme a fuckin break

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I just bought a copy of this book. The clerk who rang me up gave me a weird look, why would she?

What do I have to keep in mind in order to fully experience it? What even is it?
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>>8823051
>The clerk who rang me up gave me a weird look, why would she?
it's probably the first time she saw a non-YA book
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>>8823070
She would be quite out of place if that were the case. The store's known for having ancient books of every genre. I even once overheard a customer complaining about how they didn't carry enough modern lit.

I was just wondering, since those guys know me as a regular, and they've never acknowledged what I bought until today. This book is pretty much an impulse buy, and it was for $8. I know nothing about it, and I pretty much bought it for the surrealist and abstract art inside.
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>>8823094
Do you know mathematics? Not kiddie shit like calculus but know how to read proofs? Set theory? Discrete?

The book is not easy to read and ultimately doesn't deliver on what it is hinting at.

A few years ago, I came across a book on amazon which discussed various emperors, dictators, and other tyrants. From what I recall, this book would bring up cases for and against their rule by using accounts of people who had lived under it.

Does anyone know what book this is? If so, am I mistaken on exactly what it was?
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Mein Kampf
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>>8823014
I like how people bring up this photo as some sort of atrocity, not realizing that they were literally burning a trove of homosexual propaganda--not anything of objective literary or scientific value.

Magnus Hirschfeld's WHK was essentially a gay lobbying group of its day and deserved to be closed down for the public good.
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>>8823283
>not realizing that they were literally burning a trove of homosexual propaganda
source? and what were some of the books?

Wow these movies were shit. Are the books good though?
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Nah, they're for women and kids.
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>>8822980
>good

What is good? What does good mean? Is good palpable, measurable? Can I test for good? Can I compare one to another and find that one contains more good? Can it be good to me, but not good to you? Can it be both good and not good at once, to just me? If it were good, why would you need to ask? Would good be immediately discernible? Is good intrinsic? If good is obvious, why would you ask if something were good? If the movies were shit, can the books be good? But if the books...
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>>8822980
Movies are for fags and homosexuals.

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Any book recommendations to help with grief? I've had a tough year
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>>8822925
>What happened to daddy's body?
>It was in the cellar freezer last night.
>Oh fuck. When is mommy getting home? Oh fuck, oh fuck! I'm having a panic attack!

>>8822925
>to help with grief
Looking for a catharsis with something really sad? Fiction or non-fiction?
Year of Magical Thinking by Joan Didion comes to mind. Helped me out.
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Odyssey
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>>8822925
meditations by marcus aurelius

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has anyone ever had this guy as a psychologist? does he even practice clinical psychology anymore?
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>>8822911
he refused to use my pronouns so i fired him
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>>8822911
I did a long time ago. I confessed my repressed loathing of Jews and he laughed at me; he's not the alt-right hero they want him to be. Otherwise he was pretty helpful, lent me a few self help books by kabatt-zinn and Viktor Frankl that helped me sort my shit out and get over my antisemitism.
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>>8822922
really?

Who are the best ascetic philosophers?
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Diogenes
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>>8822909
/thread
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>>8822915
>>8822909

what should I read by him?

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What if David Foster Wallace was a racist?
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All white men are racist you fucking shitlord.

Now pay for my tampons or I'll scream rape.
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I would gain a slightly increased appreciation for his work desu.
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>>8822855
his books might not be shit in that case

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I know it is popular for people now to brag about how many TV shows they sat and marathoned but I'm curious what is the longest time you've spent reading a novel in a single sitting?
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If we don't count bathroom/food breaks, probably 12 hours. If you do count those breaks, about 6.

I have sat and ate through some novels in 3 1/2-4 days without doing much else between small breaks except maybe a half hour of being outside to get some exercise and stretch.
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Probably not more than 4/5 hours. I get headaches if I read for too long, I probably need glasses.
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>>8822565
well i woke up and read until i fell asleep

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Thomas Pynchon on David Foster Wallace
>“I’ve never gotten anything out of his writing. It has felt constructed, faux intellectual, and completely dead. Prosaically uninteresting and infinitely boring. Wallace was a fucking bore. He made his books for the critics. One of the books, The Pale King, was set here in Illinois. It was mind-numbingly boring.”

Laurie Penny on David Foster Wallace:
>“His gifts as a writer were enormous. I just can’t take him very seriously as a thinker — and that’s where...
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thomas pynchon said something?
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>>8822481

>He doesn't listen to the Pynchon Podcast every Thursday

Plen as fuck
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>>8822481
this.
it's a poor attempt to diss DFW.

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What the fuck is this book? It's so full of contradictions it feels like kafka just strung a bunch of random thoughts together, it makes no sense whatsoever.
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>>8822425
it's cause life is a contradiction, bro
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Kafka's "dream logic" revolves around combining steps which are locally sensible to create something which is globally absurd. The contradictions are intended, but you're supposed to reach them via a sequence of sensible steps.
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>>8822438
Are you sure the book is actually absurd and you're not just a pleb?

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Fuck, marry, kill
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Kill Heidi

I would make the little princess beg for more
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>>8822330
I would marry Dolores Haze, she's so cute and perfect.
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>>8822330
I don't know any of them very well, but I'd say based on the images, marry Princess, fuck Anne, kill Heidi.
It's just an elaborate way of asking for a ranking.

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What's the philosophy where you want to help innocent children and animals?
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faggotry
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>>8822275
It's called "not reading autistic masturbatory philosophy and actually doing something with your life"
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>>8822275
Voluntary egoism.

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Okay, /lit/, let's say you're designing a university course called "The American Experience in Fiction." Which works do you choose. Let's say around 7-10 novels, novellas and/or short story collections for the semester depending on length. This is what I'd go with. Let the autism and shitposting begin.

I put mine roughly in order of time period they're set.

The Scarlet Letter - Nathaniel Hawthorne
Uncle Tom's Cabin - Harriet Beecher Stowe
The Sound and the Fury - William Faulkner
The Grapes of Wrath - John Steinbeck
Invisible...
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>>8822243
Let's see your list, anon.
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I guess I'd use a three-class system. And, of course, you need some context from non-American writers and settings.

Middlemarch - Elliot
You Can't Go Home Again - Thomas Wolfe

Dubliners - James Joyce
Iliad - Homer
As I Lay Dying - Faulkner
Robinson Crusoe - Daniel Defoe
Yearling - Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings

David Copperfield - Charles Dickens
East of Eden - John Steinbeck
Suttree - Cormac McCarthy
Uncle Remus series - Joel Chandler Harris
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>>8822281
>And, of course, you need some context from non-American writers and settings.

Say more?

Like with Dubliners for example. Is your thinking that because Joyce always wanted to show the universal in the local and particular that the the experiences of the characters in Dublin are also by extension the experiences of any number of people in America too?
Are you alluding to Irish-American immigrants?

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What genre is it when the future reverts back to medieval times. Or when medieval assets are used together with futuristic or contemporary.
I know there is steam punk and cyberpunk, but thats not it. I know there is a name for it, like non-binary future or whatever.
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>>8822194
It's called 'sensible worldbuilding that accounts for the fact that technology does not instantly and ubiquitously propagate across the entire world and form a monoculture'
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>>8822194
Best term I can think of is science fantasy.
Look at Book of the New Sun, Book of the Long Sun, and Panzer World Galient for examples.
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>>8822194
post modernism.

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Any other good books about eating poop?
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the bible
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>>8822182
Naked Lunch
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>>8822182
Sounds like you might enjoy Joyce's work

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Reminder that wisdom is madness taken to its last consequences, so if you are embarking on the journey you better be ready for it to be long and harsh, cause any hesitation or stop or rest will take you down, or back in a mutilated form.
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wakarimasen lol
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OP: print this out and keep it somewhere safe. i guarantee when you turn thirty you'll read it and smack yourself in the face for being such a teenaged idiot.
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Wow that's really deep op how did you think of that


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