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Based on anon's recommendation I just purchased this trilogy. What am I in for?
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>>8653413
>purchased
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Butt acne. Next time get a series that is better on sensitive skin.
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>>8653657
You can buy them from Lulu, all three for about $25.00

Guys is this book good? Heard a hell of a lot about it and want to know what /lit/ thinks
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>>8653412
I like finnegans wake better
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it's trash.
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>>8653412
There is only one true Khaled and it's not this faggot

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What do you wish you knew before you started reading? What do you think everyone should read and know? I'm concerned that even with the /lit/ recommendations the literature will go over my head. I want to read everything from novels to plays to poetry so I can be familiar with literary culture.

The sticky is mostly outdated so I'm asking you guys; I'm tired of being ignorant, /lit/, I want edification.

What other resources can you point out to me? Would a website like Goodreads be a good idea?
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Literally just start with the greeks
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>>8653477
What will I get from that?

What next?
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>>8653611
kys my man

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What can you do with an English degree?

I really don't want to go into teaching. I'm quite a nervous person and I don't think I could handle it.

My other concern is that I won't be able to pursue/capitalise on my interests. I know some have been able to teach and succeed creatively (pic related) but I don't believe I could.

I don't care about money. I only want to make my parents somewhat proud while being able to pursue other interests.

I ask because I'm sure many people on /lit/ are English graduates and I trust...
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Write a book.
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>>8653249
If you want to write a novel, write a novel. Otherwise, work your way up at a museum, important library, media conglomerate or marketing company.
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>>8653249
You can get into business with it

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are there any books with really hype fights or action scenes? you know, like, books that really get your blood pumping? what are some books that really get you hyped?
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The Iliad, my dude. Filled with slaughter, fighting, etc.
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>>8653214
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Robert E Howard's Conan the Barbarian and Solomon Kane short stories.

Also >>8653214

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>"Sam Coll was born in 1989, in Dublin, Ireland. He graduated in English and Art History from Trinity College Dublin in 2011 and later obtained a Masters degree in Anglo-Irish literature, writing his dissertation on Samuel Beckett and sentimentality."

Excerpt:

>"At the same time, elsewhere. In Mount August Square. Where lies a tennis court round which looming lodgings stand stern, their brickwork choked by ivy, by vines that clog the fissures and strangle stone, and a glum dark park where, from...
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The simple alliteration and blatant influence, and more than the tone in which he's described by media, gives me the sense he's nothing special (unproven, anyway), but being sold to us in the same new-Joyce action figure packaging as Eimear McBride and Jack Cox. With Tom McCarthy there is at least a more diverse set of inspirations that don't overwhelm the flavors, and arguably accomplishes something genuinely novel, if only a tone.
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>>8653309
*and more than that
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>>8653084
Excerpt is bretty gud desu

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Why does it seem like Murakami basically writes anime storylines?
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What defines a story as "anime-esque"?

Linear plot? Predictable outcomes? Because he's a Jap?
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>>8653082
oh
does it symbolize the hundred millions of starving and suffering people of the developing countries held outside of the comfy world of those who live in the rich countries? :3
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>>8653089
Fuck we better get the window cleaners out then.

Preemptive genocide when?

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Hey folks, I want to buy a fine edition of Moby Dick. I don't need illustrations or footnotes, all I want is just a hardback version with a good binding.
Is pic related a decent edition?
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>not having an antique scrimshawed edition of the Moby D

Hope none of you other anons are doing this.
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Everyman's Library is exactly what you want.
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What if I want one with all the illustrations and footnotes?

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>Make way, you Roman writers, make way, Greeks!
>Something greater than the Iliad is born.

Was it good, /lit/?
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>>8652915
It's pretty great if you can read Latin and understand what Virgil's doing.
http://virgilmurder.org/
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it is noticeably secondary to homer (up to the stuff like - achilles got a new set of arms made by hephaestus and explicitly described, therefore aeneas should get such a set made by vulcan and explicitly described too), the author sometimes couldn't hold the air of the mythical world ("nearing the cliffs of the Sirens, perilous of old"), the second part is imo rather a snoozefest (but it's pretty much like with "odyssey", imo it violates the unity of action, albeit aristotle didn't thought so about "odyssey"... the journey to return/to...
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I wonder what we would have had if Virgil had managed to complete his vision, instead of wanting the manuscript burnt after his death.

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>Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.
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A voting system weighted to give intellectuals more power?
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>>8652777
That is what democracy mean, though.
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>>8652793
I'm not so sure about that, though.

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>And therefore, since I cannot prove a lover,
>To entertain these fair well-spoken days,
>I am determined to prove a villain
>And hate the idle pleasures of these days.
are there any other characters in literature who kill people because they can't get laid?
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>>8652761

Doesn't he pork Lady Anne?
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>>8652761
Many Shakespeare characters, actually.
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shakespear lied about richard iii ><

btw he is qt on your pic

Could someone explain the ending?
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>>8652743

BOI PUSSY
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>>8652849
Is there boipussy in this book?
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>>8652743
>ow the edge: the book

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Can someone suggest reading order of Melville works?
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>>8652715
just
stick
with
the
dick
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>>8652715
Most people start with Moby-Dick and then move to Bartleby and Billy-Bud and the Encantadas. I'm working my way through all his works right now, and the only order-related thing I can recommend is reading Pierre and The Confidence-Man after Moby-Dick. If you want, it's also interesting to read up on his life and what he was going through while writing Pierre.

It doesn't really matter, though. You could read them in the order they were published or read whatever sounds interesting.
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>>8652715
i read Billy Budd years ago and then read Moby-Dick kore recently.

just read whatever u want bro

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What's your opinion about it ?
Is it really better than LotR ?
Why is it so unpopular ?
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>>8652699
The world in it is too Chinese-inspired for the majority of fantasy-readers who are racist white males.
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>>8652704
Redpilled (and hence viciously racist) fantasy reader here, can confirm.

I hate women and minorities btw. And people with active sex lives
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>>8652699
I think it's pretty popular, no? Seems a lot more visible than most books written in the 1950s.

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Please give critique:

>Waking up to a dismemberment rarely means something good is happening. It's never 'SNIP! Mom made pancakes!' or 'SNIP! We decided to adopt a Golden Retriever!'
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Obligatory "holy. . . . . I want more"
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>interesting as fuck
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i likey

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Having a hell of a time sourcing this scifi/fantasy/cyberpunk book with this terrible description. Think you guys can help me out?


Something a bit out of the ordinary, Im looking for a cyberpunk novel I read as a teenager in the 1993-95 days and I cant for the life of me remember the title. I can remember bits and pieces of the story and have been looking at blurbs left and right trying to work out if its maybe Gibson or Stephenson. So here goes and Im gonna cut my wrists if its one of the big obvious ones since I dont get a whole lot of time for reading these days...
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yea that's definitely not it.
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"Snow Crash"?

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Is this greatest fantasy-trilogy ever written?
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>>8652448
*the
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>>8652448
>the subtle knife
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>>8652450
the Subtle Knife was fine; it was shorter than the others so its scope was smaller, but it was elegantly told and the angels were well introduced, plus the confrontation with the orphans was well used. Spectres were one heck of an antagonist, too

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mfw when close to finishing The World as Will And Representation
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>>8652416
>thumbnail
Is this some sort of visual representation of how your happiness is slowly decaying because of Schoppie's pessimistic views?
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>>8652416
Only good thing he write was 'On Women'

Pepe approves!
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no you aren't

How do I deal with the fact that I won't be able to read as much as I like, under any circumstances? The most I can read now is half an hour, maybe one hour a day. People will say that's enough, but I'm used to 3-4 hours every day, more every once in a while.
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>>8652363
You realize and accept that that is your reality at the moment.
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>>8652363
I love history and I can read ~15 pages per hour. I'm not able to study history for this. I try, but I can't go faster.
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>>8652371
>>8652363
i take comfort in hope that i'd be able to read all of my books before i die

i've bought many but so far read so little

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I can't remember what these are called, but can we have a thread with this type of story?

A senior monk and a junior monk were traveling together. At one point, they came to a river with a strong current. As the monks were preparing to cross the river, they saw a very young and beautiful woman also attempting to cross. The young woman asked if they could help her cross to the other side.

The two monks glanced at one another because they had taken vows not to touch a woman.

Then, without a word, the older monk picked up the woman, carried her across...
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This is a Zen koan. Just google them.
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>>8652373
Thanks.
I'd want people to post good ones.
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generally it's called a parable or a fable

also i believe a few "zen koans" are bs, i recall i met one which was actually a fable written in the soviet union in 20ss or 30ss (about a frog which refused to drown when it fell into a milk pail, it is also commonly admitted to aesop which is not true either)

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"Thus held they the funeral for Hector, tamer of horses"
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I have never cried because of a book, the closest I was was when I read the ending of The Brothers Karamazov.
The only thing that can bring me to tears is a something like a movie with the perfect soundtrack, music can really resonate with me.
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Only one enemy remained; two if you counted God.
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How important is a potential mates /lit/ taste to you?

>last girl I dated only read nonfiction and it drove me fucking nuts.
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>>8652288
I don't care much. I just want someone who's not miserable.
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>>8652300
This.

Plus, recall what, I believe it was Nietzsche, said: "when a woman becomes a scholar there is something wrong with her sexual organs". You don't want your chick to be as bookish as you. Think about what lame self-doubting hyper-selfconscious antisocial bullshit led you to become bookish. Why would you want a mate who similarly fled the world in order to spout about Proust? A cool chick with her own interests who doesn't lock herself in a room with books for a week, like I do, but who's...
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I wouldn't care much because I'm not lit pro myself, but I would like her to at least read fucking something and not be one of those mindless facebook/instagram drones. Also would be better if she read something else than YA shit like twilight, but I guess even that kind of stuff is better than just twitter feeds.

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What do you make of this novel? Hesse himself said in a later postscript to it that although a reader is free to look into the novel as he prefers to, the novel provides a solution to Waller's torment. The solution lies in the higher plane where the Immortals reside. Eastern, especially Indian, mythology and philosophy played a huge role on Hesse's own intellectual life, as did psychoanalysis. However, as someone put off by the ideas that form the bulk of Indian philosophy (renunciation of this idea of one self, all is all, and i am in everything yada yada yada), I...
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>>8652280
One does not read "steppenwolf" without reading "Demian" and "Siddharta" first. Well, "Siddharta" is optional, but "Demian" is obligatory.
In fact the correct order should be: Demian, Siddharta, Steppenwolf, The glass bead game.
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>>8652280
I didn't liked it. Maybe I was too young or too dense, but I found it utterly boring. The only alright part was when he was talking about the burgeoise.
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>>8652354
This.

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Whats wrong with ego death?
I was on /co/ the other night(while not the pinnacle of intelligent discussion) and someone was mocking people who say that ego death for the self is important.
While I disagree I have also never considered that it could be a bad thing.
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>>8652247
Ego death is for cucks
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>>8652247
Well, to say the least ego death is just cheap mans way to understand what life is.
The means how you get to this is mostly threw psychiatric drugs, which get you to a stage where your brain gets rid of all the walls, lets everything flood threw your brain and incorporates everything together. Closeminded people consider this egodeath, as they are bluntly forced out of their perseption.
The risk involved for non ready participants is very strong psychological trauma, which often can't be undone.
If...
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Ego death is bad because you're abdicating personal will. It's becoming an animal while still being human.
It's a valuable experience. They used to perform lobotomies to improve quality of life for he severely mentally ill and it was quite popular. Revert them to a childlike state forever.

If I put it like, 'you become a child again' does that sound positive to you? Everything you learned is useless and gone. You return to the garden of eden of childhood, but at a heavy cost.

Some will choose that willingly, some will not. That's...
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General opinion on this guy/announcement he made ealier today?
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>>8652152
Bookchemist is way less pretentious, I had to unsubscribe this guy after his third "sex and death *sips wine*" episode)
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I sometimes doubt that his name is actually "Cliff Sergeant"
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When I was born that man was there,
Tall and strong and fair of hair.
He watched my mother give me birth,
As I fought my way onto this Earth.

That man would rock me off to sleep,
Would wipe my tears when I did weep.
He watched me go from crawl to walk,
And smiled with pride when I learned to talk.

That man taught me to ride a bike,
And even how to fly a kite.
He taught me to know wrong from right,
When to run and when to fight.

That man was made of many parts
A teacher of lifes skills and arts
Full of love and full of care
With much to give, and much to share.

As I grew older so did he,
But that man was always there for me
His love, unspoken ,but strong and clear,
Of that I have no doubt or fear.

Time passed, that man grew old and frail,
No longer strong, but weak and pale.
Now I helped him, as he'd helped me
A debt to repay, no charge, no fee.

And now that man has left this life,
No longer parted from his wife
Memories are all that we have left
Of that man who was the best.

Who was that man, you may well ask?
To tell you now is my last task.
It makes me proud, it makes me glad,
To tell you that man, he was my dad.
My father died recently and I could not find a suitable poem to read for him
at his cremation that reflected what I wanted to say, so I wrote my own.

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why aren't you reading or writing right now /lit/?
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because i'm drunk and there's no point in reading at this level of inebriation.
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It's not even 8am yet, I just got up, jesus christ anon give me a break.
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>>8652121
Same

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>want to be a writer
>hate university

Can I still be a good writer if I drop out of school?
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No, you need to pass through some kind of college-like academic factory before you reach the level of maturity required to write well. There is not one prole on this earth capable of writing well, prove me wrong.
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>>8651960
inb4 bukowski
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I believe Ray Bradbury had only a high school education.

ITT: New Reader Thread

I started "seriously" reading at the start of this year (thank you /lit/) and have so far read:

The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer
Bartleby the Scrivener
Cat's Cradle
The Catcher in the Rye
A Confederacy of Dunces
Fahrenheit 451
Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72
The Great Gatsby
The Greatest Comeback: How Richard Nixon Rose from Defeat to Create the New Majority
Holy Bible (KJV)
The Iliad
Moby Dick
Of Mice and Men
Pride and Prejudice
The...
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>>8651902
>Moby Dick

As if you understood any of it...
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>>8651902
Read Middlemarch
and Ovid's Metamorphoses
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>>8651902
Did you have a question?

Why is it better to have an English degree over a philosophy degree or some STEM? What's to be reaped from studying English or is it another hopeless major?
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>>8651877
Better for what?
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>>>/adv/
>>>/google job placements/
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>>8651877
Getting an English degree is a waste of time and money. As worthless as a Philosophy degree.

It's good enough to show "Hey I made it through school!" so some places might hire you, but it doesn't have any usefulness outside of that.

Philosophy is fucking worthless. In fact, it may be the most worthless branch of literature period. I can just see you, Anon, frantically trying to correct me on this; "b-but what about black literature?", you say, hoping I'll be even slightly amused. But all memes aside, there have been plenty of black writers that you can point to who have written works that, while cliched and preachy, have at least standard prose. I can name at least two at the top of my head. Who are these philosophers who supposedly have "good" prose? Oh right, the ones who are...
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Anything that is valued objectively has value, by definition Anon...

Worth is determined only by what people think, people think philosphy has worth so by definition it does.

This by the way is something entry level philosophy could teach you

Saged
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You have no skill and no knowledge. Do you even have a truth methodology?
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>>8651801
I don't think it's worth anything, so it isn't.


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