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Is the golden age of literary theory over?

Will there ever again be disputes over theory or is everything we're left with today the "the text itself"? (whatever that is even supposed to mean)

pls i don't want to give up saussure
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Was reading Ricouer the other day. Couldn't find any value to it, thoufv I forced myself to finish the booke
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>>8647210
I have time and narrative vol 3 sitting on my shelf, can anyone chime in on if it's worth reading? The introduction was good
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>>8647210
haven't read him so far.
what's his point?

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Hi, /lit/ -- hopefully you are as obnoxious as all other 4chan boards (save /b/ that's a different story)

I don't read much. I like cold media a little better, but I feel it detrimental to not be reading works if I think I'm at all a writer.

What would you suggest is the "starter pack" of someone who is re-acquainting themselves with actually reading? I would want things that have qualities universally accepted as "good" so maybe some Shakespeare? I know Ulysses has some favorability, but is there something better to start with?...
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start with finnegans wake
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>>8647193

try hardern, nerd

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>brother just killed himself two weeks ago
>going through his stuff
>he was partway through schopenhauer
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>>8647115
Don't kid about series thing
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>>8647115
kys
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>>8647115
Really makes your grey matter gears rotate.

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People in Poland fighting for a new book of Harry Potter and its not bait.
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what new book?
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>>8648751
That 'Cursed Child' play I assume. Must have just been translated into Polish.
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>>8648756
It can't be that hard to translate a book into Polish all you have to do is smash the bottom row of letters on the keyboard

Just finished reading this novel. I liked it, it was funny and well written, but I feel like I didn't really "get it" or understand it. Am I a lone retard or was anyone else confused by this?

So, let me get this straight. The ghostwriter Keane took the messages Norm gave him over his answering machine and wrote them into the book we read- including the fictions, which were flights of fancy Keane inserted to make it interesting to him, because he hates Norm.

While he's doing this, Norm is narrating the events of going to vegas with the retard...
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>>8647045
Fuck you Adam Egret you fucking degenerate alcoholic faggot. Don't ever come back to /lit/ again you fucking anti-Semitic faggot piece of shit.
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>>8647059
He told me he was hypnotised by Hitler's eyes, which were "as black as crow's wings"

Do you think the entire Norm & Adam thing was a rip-off of Of Mice And Men?
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>>8647062
No but I think it's Adam Egret who keeps coming on /lit/ and posting shit about Norm Macdonald's book and I you to stop

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>Mom: "you know what book I think you would like, anon? Catcher in the Rye."
what did she mean by this?
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>Mom
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>>8647025
>not being able to enjoy descent discussions about literature with author mama
get rekt skrub
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>>8647016
She wants to fuq u

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I've read Lev Tolstoy's War and Peace, and I was hoping for some world war 2 themed stuff.
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You won't find much luck in WW2 Era stuff that isn't eyewateringly vapid Stalinist propaganda, the master and the margherita is the one exception to that which jumps out at me.

The likes of Chekov, Dostoevsky and such are by far the best period in Russian litersture, read them instead tbqh
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Your bait lacks subtlety.
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>>8646969
Grossman's Life and Faith.
It's a masterpiece and i've only seen a few guys on /lit/ who've read it.
I agree on Chekov and Dosto being interesting, but anyone who doesn't know about Grossman and goes around talking about Russian lit, is a disgusting pseud and belongs on reddit.

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Where do you think he situates himself politically?
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Obviously a far lefty. And a proper one at that. He seems pretty focused on the cultural, historic and materialistic parts of society, and not so much on identetypolitics as it seems is what the left has degraded itself to. Actually, his contempt for that whole branch of the left is what I think makes him hard to "place" politically. But that's just a sign of how much the modern left sucks.

I'm happy to see that somebody else is reading his work.
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>>8646876
>Obviously a far lefty.

What the fuck are you smoking, nigga?
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>>8646876
>implying the id-pol "left" is not a creation of the alt-right to discredit the actual political left

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Beginning Game of Thrones. Never watched the series or read Martin before.

What am I in for?
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>>8646794
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>>8646801
oh
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If you turn the page and see the word "DAENERYS" written in large font, skip the whole chapter. Trust me, it makes the story more interesting

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If you could pick a single writer, who would it be?

DFW for me. The complexity and the quality of it haven't been equaled by anyone, before or since.

Runners-up: W Somerset Maugham, and Junot Diaz.
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Jane Austen
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OP again. I'm always surprised at how little most readers care about prose, like it doesn't matter or something. Of course, some casual readers genuinely can't tell the difference between good prose and abysmal prose...which is worrying.
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>>8646779
>the best prose ever
Melville.

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Are you an idealist or a materialist?
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idealistic materialist
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>>8646736
Metaphysically? Somewhere in between. Ethically? Who gives a fuck
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I am a dualist.

Would he have been the new Spinoza if

1. He was not born a frenchman (le deconstructionism and le anthropology)
2. He never met the Guitar Man (le psychobabbbble)

??

Thoughts?
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>>8646724
he wouldnt have been as creative if he wasnt trying to troll frogs by being into hume and shit
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Wow look a bad thread

Am I doing it right if I write of Spinoza as trash by referring to him as le magic monad man???
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>>8646744
Spinoza is god tier

I was just wondering if Deleuze would have been a better philosopher if he wasn't exposed to all that hsit i listed

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How much university level training do you need to be fully /lit/, if any? I took multiple literature classes when I was in high school, but now at uni I'm not sure if I can fit any in my schedule.

I've read the basic /lit/ starter kit books and really enjoyed them, but I don't know how I should be approaching all of this. Do you analyze books as you read them consciously, or just read them? Do you look up much outside analysis of it (more than just the forward) when you read a book?

I just want to generally get the most out of these books as I...
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seven
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>>8646673
>how much university training do i need to read books and think about their content
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>>8646673

dogs

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>believed some humans were born superior to others and was okay with eugenics
>believed some works of art were too degenerate and should be banned
>young warriors should live in a communistic clan apart from the rest of society
>believed men should be ruled by a superior philosopher king (Fuhrer)

Was Plato, dare I say it, a proto-Nazi?
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>>8646603
I think you mean proto-Trumpian. Prepare your molotov cocktails and/or peanut butter.
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>>8646603
Well, you know what they say, Plato is right about everything. So it's only natural he were a nazi.
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>>8646603
>thinking Nazism is the only ideology to hold these beliefs and wasn't hobbled together from a million different things including the works of Plato

Silly OP

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How to learn the technical stuff of poetry?

A study of linguistics?

I feel like I can not start poetry without knowing the foundation stuff
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>>8646540
What, like meter? Here's a neat little interactive website:

http://prosody.lib.virginia.edu/
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>>8646575
yea, accents, etc

i don't understand why they're used, when to use them, why do i have to adhere to it, etcc
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>>8646575
>http://prosody.lib.virginia.edu/
btw thanks

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When and where was the best time to be alive?

No "le wrong generation" bullshit here please, state thoughtful reasons, not trivial stuff like music and fashion.
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Just after the American industrial revolution -- life was comfortable but technology had not destroyed nature and society. Literally everyone I know now argued about the new iPhone not having a headphone jack like it's the highlight of the year. That caused me to dissociate from reality.
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Today. This is the age of biopolitics. Life and reproduction are glorified like never before. Giving new meaning to what Aristotle once called the Bios Politikos. Modern man takes a morbid and demented pleasure in his "species-being", like the tame and domesticated animal he has turned out to be. No longer animal rationale, more like animal laborans and animal socialis.
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Music is closer to literature than fashion. It's just that, unlike literature, the medium gets more recognition for the worst stuff to come out of it. At its best the two mediums are matched.

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noam chomsky has written over 100 books. which do i read if i want to get my dick wet?
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manufacturing consent
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>>8646232
this and also read 'How the World Works'. It's three of his shorter books in one, and it's also really pretentiously titled so dumb poly-sci broads will feel smart for fucking you. Also skim one book by Kropotkin as a backup for the more intelligent but still dumb as fuck ones
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SD?

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What was his end-game, /lit/?

Having read him, I can now safely say that most people who claim to have done so are either lying or ignoring most of what he said. He seems about as far away from 'meme' philosopher as you can get.
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>>8646166
>frog
>'what was his end game lol xD'
>meme

Go away
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>>8646166
His end-game was going mad because his philosophy was too fucking autistic.
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>>8646166
He didn't have one. The game never ends.

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Haul/Stack thread

I just got these for $5 at a book sale. Gray one is Don Quixote, Bottom hardcover is Gulliver's Travels
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>>8646138
Wow nude purchasing power!

Keep us updated on any further purchase you make, really interesting stuff, man!
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>>8646143
what does that mean?
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>>8646143
(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You).

>>8646149
He's being a cunt.

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Let'a have ourselves a stack thread.
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>>8646106
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>>8646132
I don't even post in these threads but are you retarded? The stacks gives others ideas of what to possibly read next, shows similar interests, etc.
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>>8646106
Epic stacking ability, bro xD

sage and report

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currently reading this. Took me a whole month because it's unbearable

>Non-linear style that's poorly written so you don't know whats happening half the time
>boring characters that don't actually do things
>the story could have been finished in 50 pages but there's 300 and the same flashback are told again over and over
>symbolism and metaphors are shit

why is this book so praised again ?
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go back to /pol/. we don't need more of your kind here.
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>>8646093
Gonna have to read this in my AP lit class later this year and I'm not excited
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>>8646118
>t. Alt right false-flagger
OP said nothing wrong and actually presented his position well. Back to /pol/
>>8646093
Song of Solomon is her masterpiece. Beloved is a meme

Is /lit/ aware of any good, academic, anti-feminists? I've read a couple of pieces by Warren Farrell, and he's not bad, but his arguments also aren't particularly good.

Also Christina Hoff Sommers isn't bad, but she's still a feminist and still believes in things like patriarchy theory, so she's not what I'm presently looking for.
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>>8646073
Fuck off, women are trash.
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Just read Milo Yannopolous articles on Breitbart.

Actual books: Thomas Sowell absolutely destroys feminist myths like the 'wage gap', in pretty much all of his work (try Economic Facts and Fallacies, and skip the chapter about income).
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Alasdair MacIntyre provides a great analysis of modern moral sentiment and his work is imo instrumental in understanding of contemporary moral views. He does not speak of feminism directly, but his criticism of where it comes from is on point.

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Are the rumors true?
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what are the rumours?
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that he can neither sing nor play the guitar well?

afraid so.
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He's as embarrassed as everyone else. He's been ignoring the Nobel committee. Someone put up nobel winner" on his official webshite but it has now been taken back down.

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I want to read more books about homosexual relationships. Does /lit/ recommend starting with this?
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wait for the publication of my journal
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>>8645995
Have you had many homosexual relationships, anon?
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>>8646003
self love is homosexual

What's /lit/'s opinion on this?
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I liked it
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It's pretty good, though I think Vonnegut has a tendency to get written off as a gateway author or as a high school tier sort of thing. It might be nostalgia but I like almost everything he's written.
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He's the personification of mediocrity.

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What is your favorite postmodern book(s)?
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Don Quixote
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Tristram Shandy
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Cyrano's Comical History of the States and Empires of the Moon

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I was talking to my christian mom about Kierkegaard Fear and Trembling.

She said that if Abraham truly did that, then it would mean that he thought God was evil. She said it would be heresy.

Is she right?
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If Abraham truly did what?
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Then for an
instant he turned away from him, and when Isaac again saw Abraham's face it was
changed, his glance was wild, his form was horror. He seized Isaac by the throat, threw
him to the ground, and said, "Stupid boy, dost thou then suppose that I am thy father?
I am an idolater. Dost thou suppose that this is God's bidding? No, it is my desire."
Then Isaac trembled and cried out in his terror, "O God in heaven, have compassion
upon me. God of Abraham, have compassion...
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>>8645889
The biblical God is evil, though. He's the demiurge.

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/lit/ please explain something to me. What did Dorian Gray actually do wrong? He killed Basil in self defense, and it wasn't his fault that Sibyl couldn't handle rejection. Is the story about an innocent man destroyed by the moralists of the era or am I missing the point?
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>>8645730
What did Dorian Gray do right?
He was a hedonist who was the same dead or alive. He wasn't worth an inch of what Basil or Sibyl was worth, and neither of them were exemplary people.

I honestly can't tell if this is bait, if it's not you are such a profoundly broken person that you can't understand that people have to be something before they can act innocently. That they effect others.
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>>8645730
He desired beauty but his pleasures waned to the point of self-destruction. Wilde (along with Huyman and Bataille) is probably the most morally ambiguous author you will find though, that's the point his preface is trying to make.
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>>8645730
He did feel bad for Sybil before seeing his portrait. The point is that once you're sure of impunity there's no limit to human degratation

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When did you lads realize the Christian God is the plebbed-down version of Plato's form of the Good? It struck me as immediately evident and, in my humble opinion, is the finest of philosophical realizations.
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>>8645729
Anyone who has read Plato knows this, you retard
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WHOA
Plato was really smart, huh
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>>8645729

The Christian God is a set of different lesser aspects of the pantheistic God. The Bible itself basically comes out and says so, but anyone who has studied and made use of the esoteric knows this very well. Io Pan!

Should I read the Dark Tower by Stephen King? I usually just read classics and world literature, and never read Stephen King before.

As a child I saw the film version of "It" and I still like The Shining, which might be more due to Kubrick than to King. I also read Lord of the Rings when I was younger, and kind of liked it, but I do not really appreciate it any more.
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>>8645703

The first three/four books are enjoyable in their own way, and then it all just falls apart after that, but you're committed at that point so you have to keep going.
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No.
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>>8645708
Have you read it, or parts of it? I mean a friend of mine strongly suggested it, and I started to read a few pages of the German translation. And now, I do not know how I can talk myself out if that.

Another question about the last phrase: is ti correct to say "talk myself out if that", I just checked with Pulp Fiction and Jules Winnfield says: "and your ass ain't talking your way out of this shit." So should I better say: "I do not know how I can talk my way out of that."?


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