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I tried getting into this novella about a year back after seeing an adaption of the book into a short TV mini-series. After about reading little under 1/4 of the book it began to feel like a grind. It felt like I was going through too much meaningless writing to only be exposed to a few truly good areas of the story. What's your guys' opinions? Should I return to War and Peace if it is truly a notable work, or should I simply leave it partially unread?
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>>8640478
Tolstoy was a behemothly overrated hack. Your critique sums up his problems nicely. The mini-series is far more concise.

t. millennial pleb
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Read whatever you want. If it bores you put it down. Ezra Pound said people are fools who read the classics because they're told to and not because they enjoy them. Novels are for pleasure, it's not homework. You don't have to read War & Peace if you don't want to. A lot of people find it tremendously good and interesting, but if you don't, go do something you do enjoy. Life is not that perplexing.
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>>8640493
this. Tolstoy is only good for the way he could observe life. You can't learn much about literature from him, and W&P, regardless, is bloated and relatively substanceless compared to many other works.

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my body is ready
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>>8640465
For Heffley to delight us by his majestic prose and gracious pictoral accompaniment is to live, lads
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>>8640483
is this post-post-modernism? everyone who says literature has not progressed in the last decades should read this first.
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>>8640465
My diary desu

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What do you read on the john?
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/lit/
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I just watch this spider that lives in the corner and wonder what life is like for a bathroom spider

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"Act only on that maxim through which you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law"

So, is he trying to say, "Fuck your personal whatever, do only that which is right for all" or am I missing out on something vital here?
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Sort of. If by "right for all" you mean, "right were everyone to do the same action in the same situation," then yeah.
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>>8640402
>right were everyone to do the same action in the same situation

Is this the nature of universal law?
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>>8640388
Nope.
Act only if you wish everyone would act the same way.

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Which is better?
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>>8640349
Idiotic thread. Obviously The Jest.
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>>8640359
Surely you bible
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>>8640349
Both have similar merits in terms of style. On the whole, I'd say the bible is more all-encompassing, however it's insightfulness is less consistent. Maybe I'm biased by the cultural significance of the Bible, but I'm inclined towards it. Good question, though.;.

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Wait, this is not a joke, i actually want to know.
I also know this has been asked, probably, at least a hundred times this month, if i were to guess because i am new on 4chan, but again, i am serious about this question.
What is the neon genesi evangelion of Literature?
Thank you for your time.
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catcher in the rye
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>>8640258
my twisted world
now fuck off
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Rimbaud, born on this day in 1854.

" Genius is the discovery of childhood at will"
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/detail/54559
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>>8640209
>when the laudanum kick in
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Why was he so qt, bros?
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all these niggas talkin bout rimbaud's boipussy but didnt that nigga top verlaine and thats why they found rimbaud's cum up verlaine's asshole

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I think Mexico and America. They've given us so many good writers. DFW, Don DeLillo, Paul Auster, Ernest Hemingway, Margaret Mitchell, Isaac Asimov, Isabel Allende, Roberto Bolano, and others. Admittedly not all of those were born in those countries, but they lived there for long periods of time.
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>>8640111
>Roberto Bolano
>Mexican

>Isamov,DFW, Dellilo
>Good

>No Mention of France

Did they replace your blood with Memes? Did it hurt?
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>>8640111
Russia.

Are you dumb or something?
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>>8640147
LOL

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Who was more right, /lit/?

I'd say Hobbes desu.
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>>8640107

Hobbes' state of nature is regarded, more or less universally, as the most realistic nowadays.

I also think that, as time goes on, we are seeing that Hobbes' argument concerning the need for an absolute authority (be it a sovereign or otherwise) was more and more justified.
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>Political """Science"""/"""Philosophy"""
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>>8640132

>more or less universally

By who?

>we are seeing that Hobbes' argument concerning the need for an absolute authority (be it a sovereign or otherwise) was more and more justified.

Where?

Fuckin' weasel words...

Is anyone here able to unmemeingly give an account of why and how this is so life alteringly insightful
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>>8640104
Just read it you fucking pleb
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>>8640104
I could. He is talking about the the relationship between man and "society". His wisdom and the price for those who read him the right way, is profund understanding of yourself, the people around you and your relationships to them. His book is a script, behind all other scripts. For those wise and able to have ears for what is silent to others, he goes way beyond "Historischen Materialismus".
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>>8640264
nah, cba

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I had the most beautiful and positive sexual experience of my life recently, and I'm rattled. I feel like I've missed a certain emotional or even sensual component of sex for a long time, like I've been too emotionally immature to handle it.
Is there any book that deals with something akin to this? It feels almost like the antithesis of sexual experience/desire as portrayed by good old Henry Miller, if that helps.
tl;dr anon had a positive interaction with a female and can't process it or something like that
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statutory rape is illegal, anon
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>we are so socially inept and pathetic that sex is like a religious or metaphysical experience of Nirvana
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>>8640087

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Currently reading The Sound and the Fury, and having a hard time getting through the book. At first I didn't pay attention to the leaps in time because I figured I'd get some sense of what was going on once Benjy's part had ended, but I just got to the chapter narrated by Quentin and am still dumbfounded by much of what's said.
Am I supposed to ignore the parts that don't immediately make sense? Because as of now, I keep getting disoriented trying to find some form of a narrative.
Am I just a dumb fuck? Thanks.
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You have to give this book lot of attention. I mean to every single sentence. After Benjy's section things should start to make sense. There are few narrative shifts and crucial moments and everything revolves around them via character's memory, if you grasp them, then it's not that difficult. You can refer to this commentary after each section, it clarifies narrative pretty good - http://www.mcsr.olemiss.edu/~egjbp/faulkner/n-sf.html . And the disorientation is there for a reason. Faulkner was a master of that.
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>>8640011
Thank you, I guess I'll start over and keep a pencil at the ready.
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>>8640027
Godspeed, anon, it's one of the best books ever written.

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Looking for some redpilled poetry recommendations.

Besides Pound, are there any other properly redpilled poets?
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>redpill

Get out
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are you just asking for racist poets? there were/are a ton. pretty much any early modernist.
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>>8639989
Anti-Semitic, racist, anti-homosexuality and misogynistic poets really. Preferably everything at once

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Post a passage from the most unintelligible philosophical text you've ever read.
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>>8639828
This shit right here
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This is where it all started
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>>8639887
That's fairly easy to understand. He's saying "Culture makes a man civilized."

Post Hegel.

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"The literary canon" is for people who are terrified of individuality, and only want to consume safe, sterile, socially-approved literature. Prove me wrong.
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Ulysses is for people who are terrified of individuality, and only want to consume safe, sterile, socially-approved literature. Prove me wrong.
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>>8639823
Well, not necessarily sterile, but it definitely shows that you need some outside authority to gatekeep what does or doesn't "count".
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>>8639823
except, society as a whole doesn't read "the literary canon", so it's not socially approved. it's academically approved.

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What are the most essential non-english writers or novels of the 2010's? I mostly read classics so I want something new for a change since I'm pretty much ignorant of today's lit
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ferrante
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milo yiannopolous' book is good, he is english but from greek
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Hungarian guy is cool. Read all his books and still won't attempt to spell his name. There's only one relevant though anyway

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Why don't people like her?
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Why don't people like him!
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>>8639777
idk why?
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>>8639775
the 50 page speeches got to me. honestly she writes amazing stories and action with some morality (think ender's game or even dan brown whatever).

as much as i loved atlas shrugged, i wouldn't re-read it unless someone made an edit that brought the preaching down from an 11 to a reasonable 4. like how they made episode 1 good with the phantom edit.

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what do you guys think?
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>>8639738
The invention of the printing press
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Allen Ginsberg sticking a broom handle up his ass.
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>>8639742
*clay tablets

Just finished this masterpiece and thought we could get a thread going on some essential woke literature. What have you conscious-raising books have y'all been reading lately?

If you just want to discuss Coates then that's fine too. It'd take several lifetimes to unpack all the insight on white fragility that's in these pages
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>>8639707
We get it, you hate black people. Make your bait more subtle next time, ressentiment tosser
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>>8639736
If you're too dumb to read challenging literature and contribute to the discussion then find another thread to shitpost in, troll.
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>>8639806
Epin xD

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Does this get any better? Just seems like the ramblings of some NEET you see on 4chan.
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>>8639690
>not understanding the intense paradigm of love vs freedom in Dostoyevsky's work

gtfo pleb
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>>8639690
>not enjoying notes

It's hilarious
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i just ordered this off amazon.
thoughts pls
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I bought it as well but you can get the gist of it by skimming the Wikipedia article. I am a fully paid up Stirnerite but it is such a fucking boring book. I didn't get past page 100
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>>8639689
Make sure to read Marx's critiques later!
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>>8639703
How is it boring? Its actually considerably less boring than most philosophy books. Trying reading Hegel before reading Stirner. You'll welcome Stirner and death.

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What is the book equivalent of Tommy Wiseaus 'The room'?
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>>8639641
The ego and it's own
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>>8639641
Irene Iddesleigh
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>>8639641
Anything by John Green

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Which Dostoevsky book do I read next. Both sound equally as good.

Which one is more heavy handed in philosophy? I'm more into that type of Dosto, like in TBK.
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Demons is more political and deals with nihilism and the people who supported it. Based on true events.

The idiot is more of a character study with myshkin being a Christ-like figure in 19th century Russia.

Personally I liked demons better.
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>>8639588

i liked the idiot more, mostly because when i read demons i wasnt too familiar with the historical context in which demons was written.

depending on your background of russia during the time of dostoevsky, i would make this choice accordingly. if you are less concerned with historical context and wish to read a more standalone story, go idiot.

that being said, i think i owe demons a rereading here soon.
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Demons is so much better. Better read Turgenev's Father and Sons first, though.

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>Yates
>Yeats
>Keats
What the fuck ?
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English is dogshit. Enjoy your life.
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>>8639569
Irish language is awesome. Learn your fadas
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>Wolff
>Wolf
>Wolfe
>Woolf
>Wolfe
>Wolfe

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SPOILERS So I am on chapter 7 right now and I am trying to figure out what the fuck is going on in this book. Yeah so don't read on if you don't want it spoiled. I am at the part where they're in that yard with the bounty hunter and judge holden, and he just starts shooting animals in the yard to test out the guns. I dunno what the whole thing at the beginning of the chapter between the black guy and white guy who share the same name was all about, idk what it had to do with the part that followed it in the court yard; maybe it gets to that later. So, what I vaguely...
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>>8639551
Are you in high school? Not only did you miss a fat chunk of Chapter 7 but you also missed a fairly important chunk of dialogue. Most of what you wrote looks somewhat accurate but I get the feeling you're missing the bigger picture here.
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>>8639687
I only read the beginning of the chapter.
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When he shoots the cat and it just disappears had me laughing maniacally, mostly because I'd been reading it for 2 hours at that point and needed some way to relieve the heart sinking nausea of the soul..

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Anyone else here have an interest in esoteric/spiritual books with some unique theme/theory/perspective? Recently I've been reading the 666 Black Sun book, but I'm looking for other suggestions to add to my list.
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>>8639546
Yes, Summa Theologie. I only just started it after a long preparation. It's amazing.
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If you're mental enough to read that shit then you might as well read some Savitri Devi and become a fascist as well as an idiot.
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>>8639546
Many of the so-called esoteric authors/schools are all just frauds or cheap rip-offs of stuff that came before. In most cases it's better to study religious texts and commentary on them because it's often the esoteric parts of religious teachings/texts that are later just repackaged and sold as an esoteric cult thing.

Frithjof Schuon is one author that is pretty good as is Rene Guenon. Guenon's book "Introduction to the Study of Hindu Doctines" is pretty good and serves as an overall...
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I'm about to start reading this meme book. What am I in for? I've seen a lot of people thrashing on it.
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>>8639500
Fuck off, virgin.
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>>8639500
a common misconception as to what Atlas is carrying on his shoulders.
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trust me, OP. don't bother. It's boring as hell, nobody takes Rand or her philosophy seriously and its like 1000+ pages. It's a huge waste of time.

If you really need long meme books grab IJ or GR

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Book you've read solely because of /lit/.
How was it.
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>>8639376
>Babyfucker
Actually pretty good, like BeckettxBurroughs fanfiction (don't these two often end up associated together to describe other books, somehow?). Prose rhythm works well even in translation. "Inflate the sentence. Try to make it burst."
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It was shit.

Which book will be canonized and studied for years to come?
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>>8639351
Neither
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>>8639351
AP obviously, it was a specifically designed piece of literature. MTW is a case study.
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>>8639357
>MTW is a case study.

I thought it was a symbol of a generation

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Why aren't you learning Esperanto, /lit/?
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It's like a worse version of Spanish
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Because Latin is better in every way.
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I rather learn elvish, if we're going for languages invented by a single man


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