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Why is this opening passage so reviled? It reads nicely to me. Perfect atmosphere, where you know something cool is about to go down.

>It was a dark and stormy night; the rain fell in torrents—except at occasional intervals, when it was checked by a violent gust of wind which swept up the streets (for it is in London that our scene lies), rattling along the housetops, and fiercely agitating the scanty flame of the lamps that struggled against the darkness.
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>>8635435
It is kitsch.2 The blatant "This is taking place in London." does not help either, it could have been interwoven into the rest of the text much nicer. Plus it's a meme. You dip.

(2: of low artistic merit, despite being of high artisanic one; generic)
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>>8635435
By modern standards it is jejune.
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Wow Baron Edward Bulwer-Lytton came up with all kinds of memes: He coined the phrases "the great unwashed" "pursuit of the almighty dollar", "the pen is mightier than the sword", "dweller on the threshold", and the well-known opening line "It was a dark and stormy night".

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Redpilled books
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Industrial society and its future.

I have yet to hear an argument against it that has legs. Mostly just ad hominem towards Kaczynski.
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>>8635399
You're kidding me right?
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god this board is garbage

why isn't redpill an autoban word yet? i want /pol/ to get off my board

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Want are the best books to read in the KJV? I'm interested in gnarly stories like that of Sodom and anything to do with Satan or Death and the wrath of God and all that shit. Also, anything with supreme lyricism but that is also simple in its prose.

Not particularly interested in the poems of Psalms and shit, more the stories.

Love the heavy use of the word 'and' in the bible. It's like all the writers of the book read heaps of Cormac McCarthy before sitting down to talk about God n shit.
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>>8635088
If you aren't meming then I would suggest first and second Kings, Job, Matthew, Ezra (has top tier 'ands').

Also try and get some decent translations of the cabal. Try to read the bible with every book written, Director's Cut. It makes Gnosticism seem like the only logical conclusion.
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>>8635093
Seconding the two Books of Kings.

Also, Song of Songs for the porn.
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>>8635093
hectic thanks! not meming at all. Well the Cormac McCarthy thing was of course, but genuinely keen to read this beast coz its mad /lit/

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What text editor do you use to write, /lit/?
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>>8635042
vim
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emacs org mode
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>>8635042
Neovim

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/lit/ this is essential. That's all there is to it. Modernism could not have a better genesis than with Conrad.
>champions the white man's inherent domination of other species
>incredible narration that contains a variety of angles, perspectives, and timeline progressions about the burden of guilt and the souls precarious position within an unpredictable universe.
>incredible prose that is not weakened by maximalist hacks
>overall sublime Victorian characters who inflict hegemony because of their white superiority
This should be taught alongside Heart of Darkness IMO
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>>8635000
>champions the white man's inherent domination of other species
No he didn't
>incredible narration that contains a variety of angles, perspectives, and timeline progressions about the burden of guilt and the souls precarious position within an unpredictable universe.
Correct
>incredible prose that is not weakened by maximalist hacks
Yes
>overall sublime Victorian characters who inflict hegemony because of their white superiority
Not at all

You didn't understand the novel.
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>>8635000
>>8636457
I've only read Heart of Darkness and even I can tell OP is full of shit. The whole fucking point of that story was that the white people were exactly the same as the Africans it was only beautiful illusion that is civilization that separated them.

It's really a wonderfully anti-racist book and it's a shame it's been dragged through the mud just for depicting Africans as not having a civilization. Which is a true criticism (though...
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>>8636479
If you liked Heart of Darkness you really ought to read Lord Jim.

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I want to get into Gary Snyder. What does /lit/ recommend?
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>>8634920
Wine him and dine him.
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>>8634920
>tfw Egoist

Here I was thinking I was following principles of morality, but it was actually just for me.


Well no change will come from it.
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>>8635939
>tfw primitivist

not surprised, but

>egoist in the rain

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Did Joyce read Chesterton at all?

I'm studying Ulysses at university. I got to the Scylla and Charybdis section, where Shakespeare is discussed. In that chapter, Oscar Wilde is mentioned frequently, George Bernard Shaw is mentioned once, the faith of Shakespeare is discussed, and the idea that there are paradoxes at work is stated directly by one of the characters. Yet Chesterton is nowhere in sight. He's almost conspicuous in his absence, because of course he too wrote a lot about the 'biography' of Shakespeare.

This led me to start searching...
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>>8634907
Joyce read everything, he put Bloom to shame
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>>8634913
How did he do it?
Wasnt he on med school?
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OP here, doing a little more research just deepens the mystery. Joyce was an on-again, off-again friend of TS Eliot, whom he met when Eliot visited Paris in 1920. Eliot, meanwhile, lived in London, and while there he also butted heads with Chesterton quite a bit. However, when Eliot himself converted to Christianity in 1929, he and Chesterton mended fences, and thenceforth Chesterton was a regular contributor to the Criterion, Eliot's quarterly magazine.

With Eliot to link them, it seems ridiculous that Joyce wouldn't have had occasion to think about Chesterton....
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What's the greatest book of all time?
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Koran.
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>>8634732
Ulysses obviously, we have a poll to prove it now and all
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The Phenomenology of Spirit.

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Quick whats the best non-fiction book you've ever read
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>>8634662
My War Gone By, I Miss it So
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>>8634662
l'ancien regime et la revolution
ou
considerations sur la france
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On Liberty is my favorite.
Practical Ethics is probably a close second though.

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Is it worth the time spent reading this 900+ pages autobiography?

Also, for how much can I sell it? I've seen is a rare book

Thanks in advance.
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MR. CROWLEEEY
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Crowley was an overrated hack piece of shit. I remember reading that when some rival of his sued him, they spent all their time during the court battle attempting to summon demons to attack each other. Fucking spergs.
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>>8634692
>Not casting Circle of Protection: Black during litigation against Mr. Crowley

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...some famous extract from a book/poem/song a couple of times and post the result here, others guess.

>Unfortunately, my love do me wrong to throw me off rudely
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>>8634657
This extract isn't famous but it interested me to try this

>ITS idleness was not hygienic, but it suited him very well. He was as devoted to him, with some inert fanaticism, or rather with a fanatical indifference. Born oo busy parents to live in hardship, which took laziness impulse so drastic HOW AND SO AS imperious inexplicable impulse that directs the man's preference to one particular woman scales a thousand. He was too lazy even for just a demagogue for Worker speaker for...
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>>8634683
Would have guessed Oblomov but mr Verlock don't sound right.
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>>8634657
I did not pick well.
>Egyptian sand, alone in silence,
Giants feet away whichis lens
Only the shadow knows the desert -
"I'm a great Ozymandias," Stone said,
King of Kings ", a strong city performance
"My hand is a miracle." - To the city -
Senate, but the foot has not yet revealed
This forgotten Babylon location.

>Interestingly, some of the courier - and Hunter May
>Interestingly,...
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What are good books on understanding addiction and the crazy shit it will make people do?
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>>8634564
My diary desu
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I don't know, maan.
Check out William S. Burroughs.
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>>8634574
fuck that guy.

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Why is he so hated when he's everything that DFW hoped to see in literature?
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>Women are cereal.
I can't respect him after saying that.
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John Green twitter thread?
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>>8634563
Because DFW is a meme hack

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Hello /lit/
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https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poems/detail/44917
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>>8634361
No, no. We don't post good poetry here. We post edgy, wholly and intentionally pretentious excuses of "prose" very well much our own and call it a thread. s-so bye
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When life gets hard, and life gets tough
no pleasure is ever enough
for when we die, and die we will,
our pleasures all amount to nil.
Pity.

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Gimme poets who write about the body who arent walt whitman

also id like some more cool intellectual bromances like pic related to read about so drop your favorites in the thread if ya want
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>>8634253
>also id like some more cool intellectual bromances like pic related to read about so drop your favorites in the thread if ya want
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>>8634267
fuck i should have mentioned them.

its one of the best bromances in history but everyone knows about those niggas
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Maximum comfy right here
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>>8634132
Seems interesting, I have a liking for this kind of stuff, might check it out.
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>>8634132
Don't forget your Aran knitwear for maximum comfy
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>>8635875
>planning on getting soaked to the skin while reading
wtf are you doing m8

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What are the best books to learn rhetoric and debate?
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>>8633972
bimp
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>>8633972
Rhetoric? What are ye, a damned sophist? A man who speaks well is a man who speaks truly!
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Probably a guide teaching NPDA.
The good form of debate

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Why does /lit/ shit on every sci-fi / fantasy author except PKD?

What makes PKD so exceptional?
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>>8633496
He's a white male so he gets a pass for me
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>>8633496
I read most of Man in the High Castle and it was kind of shit.

How does it stack up against his other works?
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He was an insane loser junkie so /lit/ identifies.

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Do you guys think Dante is in heaven or hell right now?
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He was a gnostic heretic, of course he he is suffering in hell
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>>8632994
Neither
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>>8632994
Real question is
>Which circle?

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So what's the /lit/ version of this?
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Of Hypernormalisation, or of Adam Curtis?
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>>8632795
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz6u7xRznjY
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My diary desu
sempaitachi wa ochinchin ga daisuki nandayooo

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ITT: Invent a pretentious """witty""" saying that initially looks insightful but falls apart after the slightest scrutiny. The sort of shit you'd see in literary novels. Feel free to steal mine.

All cars end up looking like their owners.

The word not said is the most influential of all.

Men have beauty in their insights. Women have insights in their beauty.
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The older the house, the older the owners.
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You can tell everything about a man by the way he does everything.
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Weddings are the only time a couple truly knows one another.

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Nine and a half out of ten times Schopenhauer is quoted out of context. This is not merely because few people bother to read his WWR, but also because the indespensable fundament of this work, Kant's transcendental idealism, is notoriously hard to grasp. Luckily, I'm well familiar with both Kant's CPR and Schopenhauer's WWR, partly because I've read philosophy at an esteemed university. If you have questions, submit them, for I've got some time to kill today.
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Who would win in a fist-fight?
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using schopenhauer language or system, convince me to not killing myself soon(i really love living but at the same it is hurting me so much and i desire so much things and i do not know what to do and i am feeling like it is a one big rollercoaster where nothing is true and certain)
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tell me something about schopenhauers ethics

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ok, I enrolled in software engineering in college as you faggots told me.

sure, is nice to get a job.

but how do I become a writer?
should I read the english cannon and take courses on creative writing?

you fags told me a literature degree was a mistake.
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read and write

read and write

read and write

if you want to be a faggot that writes about the actual world, then go outside and live life out loud. if you want to be a literary artiste, become a hermit and embrace the abstract nigga
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>>8631977
>but how do I become a writer?

Read as much as you can. Write as much as you can.
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>>8631977
A lit degree is a mistake. You will work 30-36 hours a week, unless you are european where you can get off doing like 20.

That leaves what, 148 hours left in the week? Plus you have real world drudgery to inspire you. As long as you read widely you dont need a shitty creative writing class, shit like that is a scam

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I'm getting ready to read the bible, but to be honest, I've opened it up a few times and read sections of "x was a descendant of y, and z was a descendent of q..."

What parts can i safely skip?
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>Skipping the Kabbalistic encoded messages
The New Testament.
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>>8631884
None of it. It's the fucking literal word of God, why would you skip it??? Hope you burn in hell
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>>8631894
the whole thing?

Post your accounts and find new friends!

https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/2408134-sebastian
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http://www.goodreads.com/christophalus
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https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/47415218-john-conquest
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>>8630050
Fuck you Sebastian, you mentally unstable fuck

>get interested in Christianity
>read genesis
>have a hard time believing in any of it
>a christfag recommends this book
>read it
>don't understand a majority of it

I never really read philosophical works before but can someone please break it down for me? I felt like what he was saying was profound but it was frustrating cause I couldn't really grasp any of it
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I havent read it OP, but that cover looks badass.
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>>8629455
>not teleologically suspending the ethical

But for real, it's the foundation of S.K.'s idea that taking a leap of faith and believing in God is the only way to truly practice religion. Keep in mind what time period he is writing in. It's the 1840's and all the hubbub about Enlightenment has waned in Europe and the population is feeling pretty directionless. Out of this angst, Kirkegaard writes a bold defense of faith based on the idea that "what else leads...
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>>8629455
>read one book of the bible
>read no philosophy whatsoever
>surprised when he can't understand one of the latest big name philosophers who built on literally thousands of years of existing philosophy

w e w

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>age
>location
>current book you're reading and how do you like it
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>20
>san antonio, texas

Currently reading 1381: The Year of the Peasants' Revolt by Juliet Barker and as of now it's just page after page explaining the specific hypocrisies of different prelates. So far I like Agincourt better, but I'm expecting it to pick up once the actual revolt gets under way.
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>>8629422
>20
>Denver, Colorado
>Harry Potter and the Philosopher's stone
The last actual """literature""" that I read was Frankenstein. I should read Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde again as we approach Halloween.
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>>8629422
>22
>DC
>Franny and Zooey

Just started it. I must say that I'm pretty excited to read it, as I usually really enjoy Salinger's works.

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Recent purchases thread?

Just bought these three at Barnes and Noble.

Prolly shoulda gotten them used but fuck it.

Any order in which I should read them?
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>>8629357

in class, no pics.

- Ouevres de Sully Prudhomme (first edition from 189x-1900-ish, before he won Nobel. $5

- Golden Bough (1 volume) second edition hardcover. $1

- Flight to Arcturus. $1

- Tales of Grotesque and Arabesque, Poe. $1

- Complete Plays of Marlowe. $1
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>>8629367

Jesus - those are patrician picks, dude. Are you very well read?
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I've never seen a more emasculated Moby-Dick.

r8 me
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Jesus
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>>8625910

What's your middle right?
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>>8625918
Looks like Dore's illustration of The Raven

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why is nihilism so popular with teenagers?
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Hormones.
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Because teenagers lack in the ability to see pass their own lives.
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Too dumb to see past the bigger picture.


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