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if you're going to give it to an American musician
why not
A Poet
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>>8625376
because of patriarchy
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her memoirs are nice
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>>8625376
dylan was cuter
it is important

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Finally reading this after many many years, and it is downright insane, but in the best way possible.

I know Artaud is kind of déclassé these days, but that opening section, using the plague as a way into a discussion about theatre is damn brilliant.

Highly recommended!
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>>8625277
Thanks for the recommendation. I've read his essay on Van Gogh and enjoyed it immensely, his prose is off the hook

>it is downright insane
heh
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ap
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>I know Artaud is kind of déclassé these days

why is this? what are the modern trend of art theatre?

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>PhD scientist
>Debunker of falsehoods
>Ushered AI into the public sphere
>Moral philosopher giving the world the first moral philosophy based on scientific principles instead of mythological stories
>Spiritually enlightened , giving the world the fist fool-proof way to become like a living Buddha, but without religion

Seriously, is there anything this man cannot do? I'm not baiting... is he the "Renaissance...
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And I didn't even mention all about Islam and his politics.
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I think he's great but I cannot agree with his thesis in the Moral Landscape, and neither can I agree with his retarded support for Shillary Clinton.
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By the time every serious moral philosopher has rejected utilitarian ethics Harris discovered it.
Kinda funny.

Currently reading 'Propaganda' by Jacques Ellul. Pretty good, but a little bit dated

Does anyone know of any contemporary texts about propaganda, especially regarding its relation to the internet
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bum peen
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>>8625156
Bit harsh desu
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>>8625061
Mein Kampf has a section on propaganda.

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>tfw I bought so many books but I'm a slow reader
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I became an avid reader like three months ago and I can't stop. I stopped watching tv and I don't spend much time on 4chan anymore.

Here's how I did it.

-Remember the average person reads like zero books a year. If you read 5 pages a day, you are 5 pages above the average person

-Don't force yourself to read. Commit to read 5 pages a day. I swear after three days you'll feel like reading more and after a month or so you should be reading 50-100 pages a day for pleasure

-Read various books at the same time. When I grab a difficult...
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>>8625060
thanks dude
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What determines reading speed, /lit/? Is it to do with how much reading you did as a child? I'm not super-fast by any means, but I find it hard to imagine what reading slowly is like.

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What music do you listen to when reading in loud places?
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>>8624827
third crystal castles album
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The music I like
Same as in every other situation I listen to music in

Are you one of those people that need a special playlist to work out?
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>>8624834
Yes, anime soundtracks and Queen.

I was thinking some ambient shit would be good for reading public, any recommendations. Usually, i just listen to Chopin's nocturnes but that gets too distracting.

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If you went into the future and had to recommend only 1 book to someone, what would it be?
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Don Quixote
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Why do you need to go to the future?
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>>8625793
implying you can avoid going into the future in any way

try to hold the passing day and tell us if you succeed

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could this be considered the literary equivalent of vaporwave?
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And but so
1) this thread is garbage
2) your comparison is retarded, and but so are you
And but so and but so.
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>>8624606
I'd compare vaporwave to alt lit
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/lit/ is the literary equivalent of vaporwave. It tells you to start with the Greeks so you can be familiarized with that kind of aesthetic, then tells you to go all the way to Pynchon and DFW: the 80's and the 90's, so you can complete the postmodern and aesthetic vision of reality.

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Is this literary fiction or genre fiction?
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Is there a meme generator where one can make fake Penguin classics yet?

If not, someone should make it.
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Lmao
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>>8624447
Southern Gothic

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Any good books on the subject?
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The Making of Mankind by Richard Leakey.

Great book, probably outdated but I recommend it anyway. It's a great introduction of it, it tells stories of how they work, of their method, of what they know so far and the legacy of it to society.
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>>8624213
Came here to post this. Origins Reconsidered is also good.
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The field is in such a state of flux that any book is outdated before it goes to print. Read the journals.

I just read this. So... has anyone else?
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>>8623920
I have, when I was in my post-Stranger, black boot wearing phase. It was semi-decent, I didn't get as sucked into it as I had hoped, which signalled the end of that time in my life.
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>>8623924
I didn't pick it up in an effort to conform to my personality, I just saw it at a rummage sale and got it lol.
No black boots here
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>>8623920
If you checked the archives you would already have the answer to your question you mong.

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Are there any blogs that are /lit/ approved?

Not even looking for a blog per se; anything interesting to read that isn't some clickbait article. Not looking for pdfs of existing books either.
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>medium
Why is that platform so shit?
I was so excited when I heard about the concept of the site, but when I browsed the actual content, I felt like I had to bleach my eyes.
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>>8623855
>clickbait central

I'm sure there are some diamonds in the rough.
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>>8623853
It's probably not what someone posting here is looking for, for all sorts of reasons, but on Medium a few publications/blogs/whatever that don't just publish clickbait are Poets Unlimited, Crossing Genres, and The Coffeelicious.

Again, these things are all far removed from anything that'd be /lit/ or 4chan approved and you might hate all of them, but they meet the basic criteria of not being entirely comprised of clickbait.

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Just a simple question:
What is literature?
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>>8623634
A word describing literature.
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>>8623634
It's a simple question but the answer is less so
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>>8623638
so can you answer?

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One of these threads
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>>8623564
consider to read nabokov's "the enchanter" :3
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>I think it is obvious that all philosophical statements which transgress the bounds of reason are anthropomorphic and have no validity beyond that which falls to psychically conditioned statements. A philosophy like Hegel’s is a self-revelation of the psychic background and, philosophically, a presumption. Psychologically, it amounts to an invasion by the unconscious. The peculiar high-flown language Hegel uses bears out this view: it is reminiscent of the megalomanic language of schizophrenics, who use terrific spellbinding words to reduce the transcendent...
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Muh analytical
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love jung, love hegel, also think they have written some shit as well

anyway love em all :3
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>megalomanic language of schizophrenics, who use terrific spellbinding words to reduce the transcendent to subjective form, to give banalities the charm of novelty, or pass off commonplaces as searching wisdom. So bombastic a terminology is a symptom of weakness, ineptitude, and lack of substance

Huh, that's pretty much why literature annoys me. Not 'real' enough. But Jung had his time, psychologists today know that just by labeling something very nicely you can actually increase it's appeal. So Jung is actually wrong,...
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Who's your favorite slam poet? Do you think a slam poet will win the Nobel one day?
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>>8622826
Is this a 'bash women' thread?
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>>8622826
slam poetry isn't for the like of us
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My favorite slam poet is "poet" from the emmy winning HBO series "OZ"

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How do I read this?
I began but it is too dull. And the opening description he gives of the woods is inaccurate and made me feel like the man had never been in the woods in his lifetime.
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>>8621513
First you turn to the first page and look at the words with your eyes, when you reach the end of a page you turn to the next. Rinse and repeat.
Just because you don't agree with some description doesn't mean a books dull. If anything it should be more exciting that you find it dull because it gives you more of a reason to think than if you simply agreed with the author.
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>>8621513
>And the opening description he gives of the woods is inaccurate and made me feel like the man had never been in the woods in his lifetime.
lol, i hope you are being sincere because that's funny.

i mean, if its boring ok, drop it. but i like that overly simple opinion
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>I began but it is too dull.

I'd just kill myself at this point.

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Now that the dust has settled, what do we think of it?
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I SAID WHAT DO WE THINK OF IT?
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>>8621097
I think it's great, but I may be biased as I am the author.
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Where can I read it? I remember when this was being written

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Alright, so the voting has closed and I have spent about three hours counting all the posts. The results are in and I am nearly ready to make the final list. However, there is a problem -- some entries are tied in regards to votes. Thus I will have you select your favorite among them, and from that get the full answer.

New Poll - https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfkS_gP5mN-ItDxOcVGygVIpBanK3Wcu_yUdQnWoubAG1di5A/viewform

Results - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_6-b92dCuQKzH4Va2mKI3fy22Du0l3PxkybyPLqEX88/edit#gid=837279928

If anyone has...
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>1. joyce - ulysses
kys fags
stupid meme board
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>>8621015

>Bottom's Dream

Why is this board such irredeemable trash lads?
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>>8621018
it's literally the Bible of literature

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QTDDTOT-Questions that don't deserve their own thread
Should I read Infinite Jest or Moby Dick next?
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Infinite Dicks.
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>>8620753
moby dick. obviously.
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Will lib dot gen get me in trouble?

I've started reading Paradise Lost, and well I'm genuinely confused on how to take it in. It seems like he is writing Lucifer as an anti-hero in the vein of Cromwell and his own personal disgust with totalitarianism. But to make the connection to Cromwell seems to make god seem like a wicked dictator as well, for a devote christian as he apparently was it just leaves me bewildered. Am I reading into it wrong, should it not be read as his complete view on the bible or just an epic poem with just its foundation in Christianity, thoughts?
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>>8620429
just read something else, homo
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>>8620429
Allegedly Milton saw Satan as the forerunner of monarchs and idolators, while a free man would be a republican, recognizing no king but God
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>>8620429
Satan is pretty anti-heroic. You can understand why he is motivated to do what he does, but in the end you see he's villainous because he cannot succeed in his goals and refuses to change them.

Milton only opposes government because he believes that a human cannot have the knowledge and kindness to govern over humanity like God does. God gives humanity freedom, and they commit the worst sin ever. But even so, that was part of his plan, and only leads to even further happiness through their redemption.

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How do I do what she did? Did she just get lucky?
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>>8620308
You need both luck and a good idea
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In a way, she updated The Chronicles of Narnia for her present day audience: school age escapism.

Find a similar work that is a generation or three out of date and refresh it. Just don't try to reach the same market segment yet; the time isn't ripe like it was for her.
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>>8620312
I think more than a good idea you need to be fundamentally entertaining. Your stories need to have that page turner feeling where there is little to no wasted space. Near perfect tempo in the interesting parts that keep the reader constantly stimulated. And to do that you have to predict what your readership will find interesting to a pretty impressive degree.

Also tapping into the aesthetic spirit of the times would be cool. There is something near universally comfy about Hogwarts, and Rowling knew and harvested...
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Thoughts on JK Rowling, the writer of the Harry Potter series?
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>>8618900
She can't write for shit. Would be more productive on her knees desu.
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>>8618900
She's got the right idea
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>>8618900
Is there a JK Rowling who isn't?

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I just started reading the Iliad for the first time ever. I remember reading the Odyssey back when I was in high school, and I really wanted to go back to the Greeks.

So far I've made it up to the part where Agamemnon and his men decide to march against Troy for the first time (having being deceived by Zeus). While I can appreciate the good writing (and find the epithets and formulas interesting), to me it just doesn't seem to be the mind-blowing masterpiece everyone says it is. Granted, all that's happened until now is a bunch of dudes arguing about whether...
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Listen to it told. The way it it was meant to be.
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It sounds like you don't understand the context of the Trojan War nor understand the Greek culture.
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>>8617455
Perhaps I don't. Any suggestions on how to rectify that?

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>autists on /lit/ say he shouldn't have won because song lyrics aren't literature
>not realizing all his lyrics come from poetry he writes before the songs are made

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4ejl5vwJHg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4ejl5vwJHg
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https://vimeo.com/37021142
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Don't care if they're not lit. Just care of they're good.
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>>8616288
The best of Dylan is better than the best of any other literal who writer the contrarians of /lit/ can name

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ITT: Books which inspired murderers.
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If it weren't for this angsty teenage faggot shit we'd still have 3/4 of The Beatles

I take an eternal shit on JD Salinger's dumbass head
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>>8616599
Blame Lennon for thinking songs about peace was a good substitute for a bulletproof vest

At least the world's got one less wife beater
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>>8616599
>If it weren't for this angsty teenage faggot shit we'd still have 3/4 of The Beatles
That's a bad thing?

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Who is the greatest philosopher of all time?
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>>8609179
Philosophy peaked and ended with Schopenhauer's 'On Woman'.
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Hi.
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anaxagoras

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Have you accepted that you will never be better than Kierkegaard?
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>>8607139
Seducers Diary wasn't very good and I love Kierks.

I think Fear and Trembling is one of the most relavent books of our time. I have no idea why Islamic terrorists don't use the story of Abraham, probably because they're idiots, but it would be nice to see an intellectual side develop.
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>>8607271
I second this. FaT is amazing

Muslims teleologically suspend the ethical all the time. Its called Taquiya and its very messed up
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>>8607139
Is there a problem with that?

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Why are the philosophers of the past always man and not woman? From the early natural philosophers, socrates, plato, aristotle etc etc etc.. till now, theyre all men

Is sexism a thing that started thousands of years ago?
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>>8628893
no, men have been oppressed throughout all of history. they are the philosophers coz they are the only ones able to break out of the meme due to their oppression. instead of catering to womens every need and want like wagecuck slaves.
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>Is sexism a thing that started thousands of years ago?

Obviously yes. Now delete your thread before you summon more robots
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>>8628972
women have it far better than men.

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You guys have any pdfs of Cold Print? I'm too impatient right now to wait and will be buying it if it is any good.
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Note: this guy and Thomas Ligotti are pretty much the best Lovecraftian Horror writers still kicking
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>obscure author who's works are top tier
/lit/ why aren't you sucking Campbell's dick right now?
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>>8627937
Campbell posts on reddit in an inconspicuous manner under his own name. This is noteworthy in itself. Also that youtube video of him at a roundtable discussion with Clive Barker, with Ramsey doing little discussing but a lot of eating. He appears to be a humble and likeable man - as for his fiction, he is always on my to-read pile.


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