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>he dreams of being a great writer but went into STEM for the job security
How does it feel being so much of an untermensch that it's literally impossible for you to take risks?
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>>8621817
Great.
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>>8621817
>wants to be great writer
>let student debt accrue to travel and spend time writing
>risk future to become great or justify cynicism
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>tfw can't make music anymore and have gone into a medical field to make money
feels bad man

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why do you hate this novel?

why do you love it?
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Don't
Don't
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>>8621775
Great characters. Best antagonist in literature if I am to be honest.
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Only started reading it. Lack of quotation marks is a bit confusing at first but I'll get used to it

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What are Ligotti's best works?
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No Ligotti readers?

I thought he was /lit/'s favourite writer of horror short stories.
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>>8621730
Our Temporary Supervisor
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Teatro Grottesco is great for more abstract, "philosophical" horror that exists in its own strange reality, while his earlier books like Songs of a Dead Dreamer and Grimscribe are slightly more standard horror stories with glimpses of stranger elements that would became more pronounced in his work over the years. All of his major books other than Noctuary are still in print, so just pick up whatever you can find.

also that photo is of Jean Cocteau.

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You should read this

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/10/14/i-nominated-bob-dylan-for-the-nobel-prize-youre-welcome/
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>>8621667
>For more than a dozen years, I recommended the poet and musician for the honor
No means no. Gordon Ball literally raped the Nobel prize.
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booms pls die
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>Examining prize criteria, I learned that Alfred Nobel’s 1895 will specified that in literature the work must be “the most outstanding ... of an idealistic tendency
>idealistic
Wrong! Wrong! Ideal means ideal not idealistic.
W

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Any good books on the art of transcendental meditation? I want to pick it up to conquer my ADHD impulses, depression, and better myself.
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Be careful with it. As with many things like this, it is filled with cultists and charisma worshipers. After a while you really can see it's a few VERY distinct types of people who are attracted to these kinds of things, all unusually given to worshiping guru figures.

As a result it's also full of bullshit and overstatement. And I'm not saying this from a le reddit atheism/scientism perspective, but as someone who actually likes this stuff.
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>>8621657
Well it's either that or pot, and I don't have the resources to redily purchase ounces of the stuff.
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The Mind Illuminated

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This is the shittiest fucking book I have ever read. I have never heard so much bullshit in my life. I'd literally have to visit a flat earth forum or just read christian facebook comments all day to match this intense level of stupidity.
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It s Huysmans style you moron. Really heavy and complicated sentences but it s a delight to read, in french at least. The story and all the anecdotes are not for everyone but it s not the most important. The atmosphere is fantastic
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What is it with plebs and this particular book ? Kids hoping for some macabre bs ? In a Huysmans book ?
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>>8621943
>>8621939
Everything the characters talk about is "hurrrrr I communicated with the dead, there's a succubus in the church I go to! rub some roots on a kid when they're young and they won't feel cold when they grow up! ohhhhhh! you can't explain things with science so therefor superstition is all we can rely on ohhhhhhh! astrology is real you guys honest! alchemy is real! the world was so much better in the middle ages because everyone was more...
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And in return I'm helping you.
Here is a poll:
http://www.strawpoll.me/11432358
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kill me and also take my life
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>>8621600
Das means schopi & neetzsch?
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das not decisive yet but freud's on top. so I'm reading freud. so far very exciting: i you want to quote Vergil on the vengeful dido but cannot remember the aliqui word it means that your girlfriend is preggers (no liquid = she's not getting her period) and you want her to go die in a pyre (such aeneas).

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Considering the fact that so many great authors have offed themselves, I'm guessing a lot of you guys are depressed too.

Is there any literature that can help? Or are we just fucked?
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Were fucked. I should have stuck with genre fiction books. At least then I wasn't incredibly depressed and devoid of all positive emotion.
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Hust stop thinking about stuff/caring.
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Look at pic related maahn.

Also finding God might help.

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ITT: Anons post books they have in their back catalogue and other anons recommend which they should read next

>Pale Fire
>Pnin
>Naked Lunch
>Light in August

It would be my first Nabokov and Burroughs, but my second Faulkner, if that makes a difference.
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>>8621582
Naked Lunch, mate. have fun.
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pale fire ofc
easy the best of these 4, especially if you like poetry
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>Critique of Pure Reason
>War & Peace
>Early Writings (Marx, Penguin Classics)

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what do i do if notes from underground reminds me of myself
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Ask yourself why you go against the grain of the degenerative status quo and begin a lifelong spiritual quest to find the Archimedean point from which you can move the world
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>>8621562
yes, but which archimedian point
and what
something like a "stand for something or you'll fall for anything" is decent enough, but there are so many irrefutable conclusions that i'm overwhelmed

do i become a catholic right wing gun toting white stormfag or a left wing secretly commie cuck?

i feel like j alfred prufrock and i don't want to be that over referenced indecisive son of a bitch
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>>8621566
>Commie
>Cuck
Become a conservative classcuck :)

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Let's discuss the topic
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I hear a lot of Bakhtin stuff is about to be translated/published in English for the first time?
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>>8621563
Really? That's great for you. Are they translating all volumes, and if so, are they translating Losev?
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>>8621544

Bely is probably the best obscure Russian writer ever. Petersburg was really cool to read.

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Are any of the author charts really necessary? Why can't I just start with AtD or Ulysses or Macbeth?
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>DFW.
>AFTER Pynchon.

He's far easier to read.
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You wouldn't fully understand the lore
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Author charts can be good when they recommend translations or editions and explain their reasoning

most of them are just like
>READ THE ILIAD
>READ THE REPUBLIC (**BY PLATO)
>THEN READ DUBLIENRS
>THEN READ ULYSSES
>THEN READ GRAVIYT'S RAINBOW
>YOU ARE NOW ERADY TO POST ON /LIT/

Totally meaningless. This board is like those sensory homunculi (pic related) that exaggerate...
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(Nearly) every fucking piece of lit I have read since finding this board has depressed me even more than before.

Someone please recommend me some uplifting classics - i've read Dosto, DFW, Camus, Sartre, Stoner (John Williams) and Hemingway.
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>>8621457

The World as Will and Representation by philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer.
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The very hungry caterpiller
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>>8621457
Robinson Crusoe. Trust me anon, it might change you if you're open to it.

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ITT: The most overrated authors of your country. I'll start.

Not because 1984/etc were badly written (although certainly not the 'masterpieces' they're made out to be), but because Orwell was an ideologue at heart. Kipling, whom Orwell strongly criticized for example, was much better.
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>>8621453
Fair enough
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ITT: Retarded OP
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>>8621453
we already know that, but many people had to read those books during school and enjoyed them - that's why you see so much love for him

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Is Bacon correct here?
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>bacon
>>>/r/eddit
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Who cares?
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>>8621364

It's not a uniformly correct observation, but it is often true. The fairest assessment of the quote itself (whoever may have actually said it, my default assumption whenever faced with a quotation is to assume that the person did not actually say or write the quote until I see very overwhelmingly compelling evidence to the contrary; this then frees me to discuss the idea in a quote itself without being too worried over 'who originated it', its 'authenticity', etc) is to say that its author...
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Does anyone know any good books about modern war, or those in which war is one of the major themes, or a background to the story? I've just finished Storm of Steel by Ernst Junger, it was kind of dull. I've already read pretty much all of Remarque, so don't offer that.
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Have you read the Hunters by James Salter?

One of my favourite books period and pretty much the only good novel I've read about air combat. There are a lot of war books so you'll have to narrow it down to get good recs.
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>>8621332
>I've just finished Storm of Steel by Ernst Junger, it was kind of dull
I was thinking about starting it. Should I still?
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Thanks, I'll check it out. I don't have any specific preferences, my only wish is for the novel to take place in the XX century, the later the better, and has its characters be directly affected by one of the century's many conflicts.
>>8621374
It's decent, just not very engaging. What makes it stand out is the attitude of the author. I've never seen someone as enthusiastic about WWI, aside from Adolf Hitler. Junger loved war while being...
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Discussion Edition

What did you read recently?
Did you like it?
Was it GRI Approved?
Would you recommend it?

Fantasy
>Selected: http://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg/
>General: http://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg/
>Flowchart: http://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg/

Science Fiction
>Selected: http://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg/
>http://imgur.com/a/90laS
>General: http://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg/...
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>outer /lit/

Stop this meme
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>outer /lit/

Saddle in boys looks like we got a shit thread ahead of us.
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>>8621401
The last couple ones were chill and nice so we were due for a shitty thread I guess.

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Give me even (1) reason why I should read fictional books.

>isn't intellectually stimulating or productive in any manner
>inferior to other forms of entertainment
>prolonged discussion about it quickly changes from interesting to intolerable
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I don't get it either. If you're trying to get a point across with a fictional work, can't you just directly say your point?
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>>8621269
>>8621275

basically this. fiction is useless.
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>>8621275

See, this is also a problem for me. If your point required a compelling story as an emotional crutch in order to persuade me to agree, all that really means is your point is shit.

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>tfw you realise Western Marxism is still incredibly interesting as a wide-ranging set of philosophies and orthodox "Marxism-Leninism" was a cancerous religious orthodoxy that disregarded many legitimate avenues of study.

So yeah, what should I read from recent Marxist theory?
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>tfw you realize all of Marxism is horseshit; an utter embarrassment to mankind.
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>>8621223
Confirmed for never studying the humanities at any length
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>>8621223
What was the dialectic utility of Mari Makinami?

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Tell me /lit/, what do you think of this man?

I'm currently reading Atomised, and it's quite a painful read, but I'm glad it was recommended to me.
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>>8621148

"Whatever" was really good.
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>>8621148
I've read "Whatever", "Atomised", "Submission" and "Rester vivant : méthode". It was all good. No doubt my preference goes to Atomised. Submission gives a powerful insight of France political situation with the islamic question too.

Beside the books he participated to two movies that were enjoyable, especially his "Enlèvement". I don't know if you can find it with english subtitles, maybe it's more funny in French however but try it if you like...
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>>8621148
>>8621273
Beside these considerations, I may blame him on a slight lack of style.

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http://stanford.edu/~sdmiller/octo/files/no_google2/GoodOldNeon.pdf

This is literally me? Even the examples he gives I've experienced, I spent all the time in analysis trying to impress the analyst with my self-awareness, etc.

What do you guys think about this short-story?
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>>8621140
This and A Condensed History of Post-Industrial Life is almost too real. Three books worth of short stories wasn't enough for David's talent.
I read it a while ago, but doesn't it remind you of Westward the Way of Empire?
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I don't get how anyone could be dumb enough to have problems like these.
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>>8621225
I bet that you also think that everyone you meet irl is an asshole or an idiot. Maybe you lack the self-awareness to empathize with these problems? Maybe you're the asshole?

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>this is the end result of DFW's influence
bravo, David.
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>>8621107
DFW would probably like John Green if we're being honest
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>>8621107
Tbh green is better than dfw
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>>8621123
>David: I always thought that John --
>Interviewer: John Green?
>David: Yes.
>Interviewer: You read his book, "Looking for Alaska." At least an early version. You were saying?
>David: Uhm... John had a sort of neat dissociative act wherein he assesses the, uhm, way in which, and excuse if I phrase this wrong or if actually I am wrong, but the way in which,...
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Is this the literate revelation of the decade?
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No.
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>>8621090
i come to lit for posts like this, thanks op, have not heard of this author before
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Redon is cool

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Mason & Dixon, Underworld, and American Pastoral.

All published in 1997.
Was 1997 the last great year of American literature?
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>>8621083
That was a great year.
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>>8621083
Yes
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>>8621083
>not 1996

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>Oxford World's Classics
>Penguin Classics

Which one is the best choice for reading classics?
http://www.strawpoll.me/11431562
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>>8621039
I'm told they have roughly the same words in 'em
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>>8621039

A torrent.
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White books always sun damage and turn dirty quick, but Penguins have orange on them and orange is the shittest color so it's a toughy.

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Hey /lit/, got this book in the mail recently. How the fuck do I get this sticker off without leaving a trace?

Also Laszlo general.
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you should consider stop being an autist on the top of your list anon. otherwise peel it very slowly. any left residue can be removed via tape and alcohol. don't put too much alcohol though
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>>8621024
Spectacular book anon. There is only one period per chapter.
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You just pull it off best you can and clean up residue with googone.

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This probably won't be successful but I have a memory of a book I read when I was in elementary school that has been eating at me for the past couple days. All I have is the image of a sword, it had a wavy side and a straight side. The character that used it had some way to decided whether they'd be traveling by land or sea. I know this is vague but I wonder if anyone knows that I'm thinking of. I could swear the characters were animals.
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>>8620980
shit dude.
you just nostalgia'd me pretty hard.
bumping for interest.
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>>8620980
Sounds like one of the Narnias
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redwall, it's the rapscallion sword

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Just discovered this guy. It's been told that he was huge in UK back in the day. Is he completely forgotten now? It's not easy to find a translated copy here (Russia). His style is just about my taste in English. Share your thoughts.
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Bump
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>>8620961
Tell me a little about his works, Anon. Never heard of him.
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>>8621007
still my favorite short story
http://www.classicshorts.com/stories/vashtar.html

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Hey /lit/!

This is my first time even looking at this board, and since I've noticed some rather intelligent(along with extremely idiotic) individuals on 4chan in general, it got me wondering, "Has Anon ever done worldbuilding? " Well, if you have, and if you want to, share your creations!
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>>8620954
Its 35% about the world itself and 65% about how that world is displayed through the characters. What sort of responses awakens in them, how do they feel about it, the casual way they deal with its (to us) complex and different existence, the subtle awareness of its history/lore that they have and the way things are and how all those things shape their character or responses to the situations.
Its easy to build slghtly different worlds and harder the ones that are crazy different. I always hated my pick to study...
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>>8620969
Not what I was looking for, but informative and enlightening, nonetheless.
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>>8620976
Sorry, to respond to your question: no, I haven't succesfully done any worldbuilding. If you want it done properly, it's really tough.
I did try to write a novel set in slightly altered European Iron Age communities dominated by Rome, except with the twist of magic existing in their world.

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Im out of backlog and need something new, please, before I yank out my hair suggest me some good sci-fi or fantasy. Ive read just about everything from Dune to The Cycle of Arawn to Honor Harrington to Patrick Rothfuss. And goodreads isnt worth a damn for finding useful reviews for things.
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>>8620953
Mervyn Peake
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>>8620953
Have you considered branching out beyond sci-fi and fantasy?
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>>8621110
>>>/lit/


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