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I have to translate this thing. What should I know before doing it?
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Which language?
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>>8604581
Brazilian Portuguese.
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>>8604585
Why? I hope you're getting well paid. I read the BR translation of Ulysses and it was surprisingly decent.

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I didn't get it. Read Light, Nova Swing and pic related in one week.
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>>8604515
I read Light. What didn't you get, overall?
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>>8604905
Empty space. The plot doesn't make a lick of sense. It does kinda explain what happened to the grill from light, at least I think so.
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I couldn't make that much sense of them too.

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Doesn't literature feel empty, or even lacking, just in terms of pure mental stimulation compared to music or a well-composed film?

Doesn't literature require more work to reap "entertainment" or even the philosophical fruits of that work?

I mean if you want to be a reader, you almost have to contemplative whereas just enjoying music, though more passive, doesn't require much to enjoy other than a listening ear.
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>>8604453
No. The best film I've ever seen is vacant predictable shit compared to great writing.
Not necessarily, but that wouldn't mean it was "empty or lacking," quite the opposite. You can't fully grasp something really complex and profound on first encounter.
You think understanding a Mozart symphony requires less attention, knowledge, or skill than analyzing a novel? You can read a book with just as little attention as you listen to music, but that doesn't mean you're getting any decent part of it.
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>>8604753
what writing is so great huh?

I literally just used 6 words that are in ALL BOOKS. Proves how bad they are
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Reading does require greater concentration than listening to music or watching a movie.

But listening to Mahler requires greater concentration than listening to Wiz Khalifa, and watching Tarkovsky requires more concentration than watching Michael Bay.


In each of course I'm assuming that whether watching, listening, or reading, the intention is to derive something profound.

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So I'm going to be applying as a Royal Marines Officer soon and I was looking for some good books on military strategy.

I've already started reading the Art of War
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>>8604447

- On War - Carl von Clausewitz
- A History of Warfare - John Keegan
- Intelligence in War - John Keegan
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>>8604470

thanks
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>>8604492

Wish I could be more help!

If you are interested in accounts of particular battles Cornelius Ryan's "The Longest Day" (about D-Day) and "A Bridge Too Far" (about Operation Market Garden) are good.

A Bridge Too Far is a good example of how absurdly clusterfucked things can get. All kinds of weird happenings for both sides.

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>Politics lecturer tries to argue that Nietzsche & Nietzschean thinking were responsible for the rise of 20th century figures like Hitler/Mussolini/etc
>Sums up Nietzsche's thinking with a throwaway line about those who are 'superior' thinking they have the right to eliminate the inferior

I didn't think many people outside of /lit/ made a point of commenting on authors whom they've clearly never read, but boy was I proven wrong.
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Am I wrong in thinking Nietzsche was far from a nihilist? I am naïve and also making huge concision, but didn't he basically say "life is meaningless, but we can fill the void of meaning by allowing ourselves a life of constant self-improvement"?
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>>8604408
Put "History of Western Philosophy" in the center and it will be perfect
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>>8604443
>Am I wrong in thinking Nietzsche was far from a nihilist?
For Nietzsche nihilism is anything that isn't amor fati. For Nietzsche the only way out of nihilism is not to be ok with your life, but to actually love it. Every second of it, every suffering, every fear...

Most people don't think of nihilism like that.

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>"Slothrop! We have to become the Gravity's Rainbow!"
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>"Joelle, your antics have left me in jest. Infinitely."
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>"Get ready, player one!"
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go outside

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is this a good introduction to philosophy? why, why not?
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It's a nice compilation of aphorisms, no pre-reading required, except for maybe Epictetus if you're onto it. Not hard to understand desu but some thoughts in their simplicity are quite memorable
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>>8604427
No. It is a series of aphorisms, not meant for publication from a man who belongs to a philosophical school which no one on the internet understands but thinks they do.

If you really want a baby's first primary source philosophical work Descartes's is a must. It marks the break with older philosophy in such a stark way there is no required knowledge to read and acts as a good spring board for the next hundred or so years of philosophy.

At some point you will want to read some sort of secondary...
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>>8604353
START WITH THE FUCKING GREEKS

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Why i feel so nice after hour of writing? What i write may be shit, but its only thing that make me feel that way these day, besides drugs
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>>8604311
What are you writing?
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>>8604333

sexual fantasies
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>>8604333
short stories and i also work on my big metanarrative

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Anyone else into shit like this?
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>>8604231
into saving thumbnails? only retards do it
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>>8604237
kek underrated
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>>8604231
More into Carl G. Jung, but i'm more intrested in aspects of it, which are accessable from mathematics/theoretical physics.

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Post some nice irish poems as I am taking part in recitation competition tomorrow and I have no idea what to pick, but thinking about Harlot's House by Wilde
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THE CAT AND THE MOON

by: W. B. Yeats (1865-1939)

HE cat went here and there
And the moon spun round like a top,
And the nearest kin of the moon,
The creeping cat, looked up.
Black Minnaloushe stared at the moon,
For, wander and wail as he would,
The pure cold light in the sky
Troubled his animal blood.
Minnaloushe runs in the grass
Lifting his delicate feet.
Do you dance, Minnaloushe, do you dance?
When two close kindred meet,
What better than call a dance?
Maybe the moon may learn,
Tired of that courtly fashion,
A new...
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>>8604227
‘There’s a woman in the country
I do not mention her name
who breaks wind
like a stone from a sling.’
-Anonymous, 9th century
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>>8604259
Joycean

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Okay, /lit/.

I've read book Shadow of the Torturer and am about 50 pages through Claw of the Conciliator.

The world is cool enough, the writing good enough but I'm seriously having trouble getting motivated to come back to the story. I have never been particularly interested in fantasy which I think is a large part of my problem with the book. I had heard the Le Guin quote that Wolfe is the "Melville of Sci-fi/Fantasy" and I heard that it was one of the few books in sci-fi fantasy worth of literary consideration. I just can't say I'm...
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>>8604222
You shouldn't be hooked to any novel and they shouldn't grab you.
You aren't reading it for a thrill.
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>>8604223
t. faggot who doesn't enjoy literature
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>>8604223
the single most pseud post I've ever read

Which edition/translation of this should I get? I've heard pic related has poor formatting and a bad translation?
Also is there a website that can help with this process? I can never just buy a book because there's always someone arguing about the different editions and it's annoying having to scour through amazon reviews (which I don't really trust) and random threads on this board to find answers.

Also any other Camus books that are highly recommended? I'm entry level /lit/ and I've only read The Stranger so far.
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On the topic of Camus how would fans of his rank The Plague versus his more noteworthy works... Asking b/c I have heard so much good about Camus but while reading the plague I was utterly bored and felt like I was forcing myself through it for some pay off that couldn't possibly be worth the drawl... I put it down but recently got a copy of OP's book.
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>>8603809
>>8603787
Long and short of it, OP, I would not recommend The Plague. Although I am interested to know what well read fans of Camus' have to say about it.
Hope you don't mind I butted in a bit on your post.
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That's the only English translation I've ever seen.

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Finally getting around to Dostoyevsky, which translations of Crime and Punishment are worth reading?
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>>8603729
garnett.
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>>8603729
If you can find a revised Garnett translation, that's great.
McDuff is good.
I read Monas and enjoyed it.

P&V are only liked by Russian academics who enjoy accurate literalism and people who don't know what they are talking about
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Garnett or McDuff

I've been having trouble deciding myself.

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How do i learn to enjoy fiction?
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i want to sow her womb with my seed then protect her for 9 months with a bone club made from the femur of a wooly mammoth
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what have you read
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Who is this girl? i think I've found my truemate

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3 days remain until some lucky bastard will get his money. Who will it be? Place you bets.
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30 pieces of silver
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>>8603649

And a concert in his(her) honour!
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>>8603629

Let it be Kundera. He may die soon.

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>be middle-aged
>be in dark woods
>tfw you lose the right way
I dare yall lits to go all the way to the end
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>>8603433
VERDE.
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Not doing the summary in greentext for your school assignment buddy
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>>8603433
>tfw the woods are lovely
>tfw the woods are dark
>tfw the deep
>tfw promises to keep
>tfw I promised my gf I would fuck her tonight
>instead she initiated

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Fantasy
>Selected: http://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg/
>General: http://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg/
>Flowchart: http://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg/
Science Fiction
>Selected: http://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg/
>http://imgur.com/a/90laS
>General: http://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg/ >http://i.imgur.com/gNTrDmc.jpg/

Previous Thread: >>8592745


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First for Jean Woof
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>>8603240
>Another reminder that The Bard Quarterly from /tg/ is looking for short stories.
>>http://thebardquarterly.wixsite.com/home
>The deadline for the next issue is November 11th.
Fuck off.
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Does anyone else hate how it's impossible to be a classy /sff/ fan any more?

Where are the days of Tolkein and Wells, noble men who wrote deep philosophical tales and characters in thrilling fictional worlds.

Now /sff/ is vidya, movies, D&D and LARPing shit. I'm sure it's no less fun for people but it's certainly much less classy.

I just want to discuss literature and ideas, why am I forced into a group with these excitable idiots.

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>>8603177
You don't. Egoist-anarchism is not egoistic: it is spooked.

Even being an egoist is ultimately spooked. Stirner said as much.

The only thing to do is what you please. This might appear to be spooky as fuck, or it might not, but it doesn't matter because caring about such things is spooked.

For example, you might feasibly join a nationalist death squad if that's what got your socks off. Or become an ascetic, whatever.
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>>8603183
What if joining Egoist anarchism gets my socks off?
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>>8603186
Then it's egoistic.

However, you'd almost certainly have to build it from the ground up, unless you happen to be Italian, in which case you have to build it from slightly above the ground.

Also, dealing with the law's going to be a bitch. You're despooked, so you don't care about following or defiantly not following those fascist pigs, but presumably you'll want to be illegalist if you want to go egoist-anarchism.

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ITT: Write your suicide note
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Dear diary,
Today I killed myself.
The literal end.
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See you, space faggot
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For sale: my life, never lived.

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Can someone explain to me what he meant by Eternal Recurrence?
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>>8602952
>Play it again, sam.
>Ok, but FYI you should have enjoyed it as much as possible the first time, you slut.
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Time and space are both infinite, given enough time, anything that can happen will happen, and any change, whether progress or degeneration is only a temporary flux. Even your own death is only a temporary change. Wait long enough and somebody indistinguishable from you will be born, and experience the same things.

Because of this you should man up and stop complaining. All the things you hate will happen an infinite amount of times, If you can't live with them, then that's a weakness on your part. Hoping that they change is an improper response because in the...
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>>8602965
Where did it came from?

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or when people say "decolonize literature" or "decolonize education"

is this pretty much academic speak for "get rid of all european influences on things"?
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Cultural Marxist hogwash.
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>>8602690
ive literally never heard anyone say that ever
what community college do you go to op?
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>>8602690
it means, go back to /pol/ you meme loving fuck.

>inb4 sjw
no dumb cuck, this is not literature

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Thoughts on this book?
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>>8602615
Fantastic book. I see its influence everywhere.

I'd be curious to hear who /lit/ thinks influenced him.
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>>8602657
Ginsberg, Miller, Beckett, Rimbaud...
Because I Googled it.
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>>8602615
I can think of two things wrong with that title.

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Share your favourite Persian authors, poets, philosophers, names of books etc.
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The Blind Owl Band is a pretty sick bluegrass group
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>>8601977

Cool
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the quran

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Is an English degree from Stanford a waste of time?
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>>8601800
occasionally
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>>8601800
English degrees and all like it won't get you a job and you can study them independently now. Whats the point? You can gain the same amount of knowledge for free on your own as any Stanford course.
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>>8601816
First of all, an English degree from a top 10 university on the planet is going to land you a job somewhere. Maybe a BA from Mediocre State won't get you the internship at the cushy publishing firm, but a BA from Brown or another elite school will.

Secondly, unless you're the rare autodidact with powerful connections, discipline, free time to study and practice, and a source of fast and useful feedback, elite universities are going to be more helpful when it comes to getting published than bumming...
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I've done it lit, I think I've reached genuine happiness
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>>8601536
you wouldn´t post here, if this was true!
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>>8601540
why not?
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>>8601536
I'm happy for you. You'll never be this happy. And if that makes you happy, then I'm happy.
:)

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What are some nice, light, pleasant reads, /lit/? Books you just really enjoy to read. They don't have to be totally cheery, but I'm just looking for some lighter books.
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>>8601128
1984 by George Orwell.
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>>8601128
From Sickness unto Death
Crime and Punishment
The Conspiracy Against the Human Race
The Problem with Being Born
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Man's Search for Meaning - Victor Frankl

This shit can change your life perspective depending on where you are in your life

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Which is the best Portuguese book of all-time, and why is it Mensagem?
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>>8599788
We said Portuguese
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I assume that my question is relevant to this thread.

BR living in Portugal here. What is the best, but still accessible edition of Livro do Desassossego available?

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Nietzsche ruined me by giving me sight of the possibility of a beautiful life which I am unlikely to ever achieve. He tore down the things that make life bearable in the seeking of this greatness that might just be impossible for me due to many of my flaws.
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Read Camus
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>>8599770
>getting spooked by Nietzsche
lel, try again, fag

Life is about enjoying the simple things.
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>>8599771
>>8599776
t. nihilists

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Have you been reading the Bible lately, /lit? Which books? Made any interesting observations?

In an effort to improve this board's quality, I'm starting a Bible general thread. It could be a daily thing.
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taken as a series of narratives, it's pretty bad.

if you try to understand that the old testament is almost entirely war propaganda from a series of primitive tribes still amazed by the newly-found technology of writing, it's so-so.

what passes for character development is for shit.
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Rebump.
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>>8599372
i am on ezekiel 33 took me 4 months to get here

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Holy shit!

He actually did it, he destroyed the Cultural Marxism Conspiracy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoOD57-T6O0

GO TO: 1:22:17

He gets to it soon. Thought he would never get there...
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>>8598938
He didn't destroy it!!!!!

Hahaha wtf
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seeing what this board has to say about zizek is excruciating
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>>8598961
By "destroyed" OP means "identified"


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