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their philosophy

before responding with meme posts...the truth is many greek thinkers learned from Egypt
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>>8541947
Can you provide specific examples?

>>8541965
WUZ
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Well Egypt didn't write literature, believed in non-personal gods and didn't have the Socratic argumentative system or Plato, didn't have the Pythagorians, and overall were very minimal compared to the intellectual Heights the Greeks reached, so no I'd say their influence on Greek philosophy was close to nonexistent

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ITT: post instant turnoffs
>Ask guy if he likes what he read
>He says yeah
>Asks why
>"Well, you know the prose was nice and it was interesting haha"
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>>8541931
>ask a guy if he reads
>he says yeah
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Ugh. MEN.
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>>8541934
Too close to home, pseud?

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What did you think of this book? I just finished it and want to talk about it. What message did you take away from the ending? Everyone said it was an anti Muslim book but by the end I wasn't too sure about that.
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I haven't read it, but could you tell me if its as pornographic as his earlier stuff? I got halfway through "Elementary Particles" and couldn't stand it. It bugs me, he can be really insightful when he's on point but I don't want to pollute my mind with "and then she tongued his cock while fondling his hairy balls blah blah blah"
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There were probably 5 pages total of explicit sexual stuff.
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It's not really anti-muslim, Houellebecq was so lucky that the terrorist attacks happened when this was published, lots of publicity for free.

It's more like a 'waiting for the barbarians' situation - in this particular book, Saudi Arabia taking over everything leads to a renewal of a (to the narrator/possibly Houellebecq) stale France. It's overdrawn to shit and misses all nuance and Houellebecq can't write 20 pages without falling back into his weird old man Rusty bullshit ('finally I can marry a 15 year old girl who's obedient...
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>reading hemingway for the first time
Is he supposed to sound like he's writing a middle school book report?
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>>8540056
yes
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>>8540056
That's exactly why borderline illiterates love him so much. Journalist "writers" are pretty much universally a joke.
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>>8540056
>it's not le zany antics of farty brekkekek man, I must be too smart for it
this is you. you, like most of /lit/, belong on /fa/ because you read for fashion

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>age
>last 5 books you read

And then other anons try to decipher which kind of person you are.
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>>8539440
20
The Waves
To The Lighthouse
Walden
Wuthering Heights
Swann's Way
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Didn't someone point out in a previous thread that this is pointless? That is unless people give an indication of whether they liked the book or not. I'd sooner guess what kind of person someone is by the next five books they want to read.
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>>8539440
24. Just Kids (Patti Smith memoir), On Writing (Stephen King memoir), A Moveable Feast (Hemingway memoir), Fifteen Dogs (Andre Alexis), The Girl Who Was Saturday Night (Heather O'Neill).

Bonus: currently reading IJ

Can someone explain the female book blogger/vlogger phenom? I have run into these people to workshop my novel, and quickly realized that I'm dealing with retards. Where do these people come from? Why do they come from it? Why is their taste so awful? Why have they revolved their lives around such low grade works, and why are they so desperate to parade around their mediocrity?
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harry potter and twilight did this to us
hunger games whatever the fuck ass niggas
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>Can someone explain
People like looking at cute girls. Girls like to read shallow novels about relationships, this has been known for a while pic related. Some of the latter are cute, and modern media allows hem to project their cuteness to a wide audience in return for validation, or the prospect thereof.

>Why
The feedback mechanism is simple. They post pictures of themselves chatting about their execrable taste in fiction, anywhere from several...
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>tfw pynchon is 80 years old and probably a huge racist
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t. someone who's never read a single Pynhon novel
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>>8538930
Uhh, he equates sucking a turd to fellating a man of color's penis. That's PRETTY racist.
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>>8538874
when he dies we should round up a posse and crash his funeral

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This book is so fucking boring, 250 pages in and nothing, NOTHING significant has happened.
Any advice /lit/?
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>>8538485
Stick to picture books newfriend
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>>8538493
heh nothin' personal kid
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wrong edition brah

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Anyone here speak Latin? How difficult was it to learn?
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>>8538356
very few people speak latin - ost people read it.
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>read
Fairly easy. I'm a native slav though, so it was easier for me to understand latin's case-based grammatical structure, anglos would have to rethink their habits
>speak
nearly impossible, it a ded language after all so you get zero practice space

Vocabulary shouldn't be too hard since the majority of rootwords can be found in english (or any romance language if you speak those), grammar is a major hurdle, I suggest to rote memorize it with dowling method (www.jonathanaquino.com/latin/)...
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You shouldn't even plan to read it unless you can find a few others to speak it to.

And even then, most people that can speak Latin can only speak Ecclesiastic Latin.

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yes or no?
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CS Pierce
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Denzel Washington?
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Flash Brown really makes you think, he is the Father of Black Philosophy.

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Literary Confessions Thread
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I don't think erotic romance books are trashy at all
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>>8538072
any reccs?
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>>8538067
The first chapter to Brave New World sucks. I don't think I'm going to finish reading it.

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Post your recent purchaseses,rate other's.

Joseph and his brothers by Thomas Mann
The novel of the coming century by Mór Jókai
Prosaic works of Seneca

All this for 9 bucks.
Did I do good?
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>Prosaic works of Seneca
Flashy binding, but if you want to read the works of the writers of Antiquity, then you should look into the Loeb Classical Library.
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>>8536918
patrician

>>8537215
>perpetuating the loeb meme
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>>8537215
Why do they even waste money printing the Latin.

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Elves Edition

>Fantasy
>Selected: http://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg/
>General: http://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg/
>Flowchart: http://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg/

>Science Fiction
>Selected: http://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg/
>http://imgur.com/a/90laS
>General: http://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg/ >http://i.imgur.com/gNTrDmc.jpg/

What's...
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i kek'd
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>>8536090
>noldor
>not "sons of feanor"
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>>8536090
I don't remember if Wizard of Earthsea has elves or an equal to elves. But I plan on reading that.

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ITT: /lit/ confessions.

I'll start.

The last book I enjoyed thoroughly was Herman Wouk's "The Caine Mutiny", and that was back in 2013.
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I read the first two Hitchhikier's Guide books more than ten years ago, and then never finished reading the rest because the publisher changed the cover and spine, and it annoyed me that they wouldn't match when put on a shelf.
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Holy shit, that kind of stuff bothers the piss out of me

>publishers use garbage-ass cover and spine
>expect me to put it on my shelf

REEEEEEEEEEE
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I will read and listen to music at the same time.

I had tried to play a video game and read. But I stopped when I clocked myself on the cheek with my controller.

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Now that atheism is obsolete, who are the most important Christian philosophers of the 21st century?
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>>8533482
Jesus, probably.
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>>8533482
Alasdair MacIntyre, his works being Christian since 1981 and he's still writing, although not sure if he'll publish some new full works, he's pretty old.
Edward Feser is popular here and amongst the intellectual Catholic circles and his own metaphysics and ethics are still fresh, I reckon he'll be the most influential within a decade through the original work.
Peter S. Odenberg as the leading philosopher of the natural law, which is making a comeback.
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>The Bible is literally true
Yet contradicts observable reality. Ding! Internal contradiction; impossible to rationalize.

>The Bible is metaphor
Dong! Now is just as valuable as any other work of fiction.

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Post the shittiest literature you were forced to read in school
>dude DDR LMAO
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Garbage. Salinger has no discernible talent.
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>>8532754
Ostrovsky, "Thunderstorm"

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Did he actually find a solution to nihilism or just plunge us further into its depths?
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>>8532476
just plunge us further into its depths
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He found the answer but not the solution. He's still far ahead of his time
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This is like asking "does David Lynch provide us with resolutions to the mysteries of his films or simply plunge us deeper into their depths?"

The answer is that the author is just a kookey guy walking you through a narrative that is ultimately yours to craft

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why do you like this book so much?
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>>8531735
'ta chingon
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>>8531735
b/c of the cover

from what I remember I really only enjoyed the first part. the work seemed to fall apart after the professors were no longer the focus, although the translation could be to blame more than bolano. it had a mystical aspect to it which was done very well early on, and while he tried to keep it up through the rest of the work, it wasn't always reproduced well. the ending was cute tho, and I thought it was quite fitting in reference to the uncertainty and seemingly aimless direction the work...
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It kept me alienated but also engaged in all elements over such a long and varied plot, which is a trick even short stories have trouble with.

What does /lit/ think?
I think she's the most 4chan of female authors, she has a femanon-aura.

She's the contemporary, female, more realistic and less edgelord Marquis de Sade.
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>>8530782
You're obviosly the same person who started a thread about her just a month aago
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>>8530782
I have Micheal in my shelf. I haven't read it properly yet but my impression from reading random pages makes me look forward to it. And she does seem like a femanon.
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>>8530795
I have made a thread about her before but it was further back I believe Are you the anon who bought her books due to it? Did you enjoy them?

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Also, who is your favourite writer in your language? I'm brazilian and my favourite writer is Saramago
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>>8528062
Latvian
Good ol Rainis for me
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>>8528062
Irish
Beckett
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>>8528062
Germany. There are no good arabic writers.

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Just finished pic related, and enjoyed it a great deal. Though some scenes that it depicts are quite gruesome, overall I really enjoyed it as a satire, regardless of how heavy-handed it could be at times.
While reading through the zoo chapter, as well as a certain bit with a habitrail tube, though, I began to wonder, what are some of the most disgusting, gruesome books ever written? Doesn't have to be all the way through, just contain at some point some gut-wrenching imagery about rape and murder.
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120 Days of Sodom makes American Psycho look like the Magic Treehouse
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>>8526499
This
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>>8526491
The Painted Bird
Hogg
120 Days of Sodom and Justine
A Little Life
The Fermata
The Books of Blood vol 1-whatever
Shake Hands with the Devil
The Devil Rode on Horseback

American Psycho

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Write the most awful opening to a book you can think of.
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The fact that so many books still name the Beatles "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular...
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>>8520628
sounds like something patrick bateman would say after his murder antics
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>>8520631
Sounds like envious prick Keith Richards to me

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>prologue
Sure likes his descriptions
>first chapter
Alan this isn't a comic book script!-!-stop!!!
>second chapter
We Brief history of seven killings now?

post you're faces when
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>>8517553
Send link pls
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>>8517553
You have the entire Western Canon at your finger tips and you choose to spend your time wiping your arse with a meme book by a Comicman
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Is this book a meme or is it actually good in any way?

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What are you reading /lit/?
Pile them up and show us.
Maybe some opinions too.
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Books are:
Canterbury tales (not complete translation)
Please Sir!
And Confucianist stories

Canterbury tales is great.makes me feel so happy when I read it.Like I'm sitting at the table in a medieval feast and hear the people tell their stories.

Please Sir! is funny,reminds me of my schoolyears,even if it was written in a somewhat different age

Three poets is okay.

Confucianist stories is a bit boring,but I like it despite it being somewhat dry.
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Reading Gravity's Rainbow currently, about 130 pages in do far and it isn't nearly as hard to read as everyone says it is. Time consuming, but not too hard to understand what's going on in a scene. Is it going to get harder? I'm also reading Catcher In The Rye as a side book. About 80 pages in and nothing of real interest is happening. Just some autistic fuck dicking around and pissing everyone off.
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>>8516021
Naked Lunch. I've already read Junky and Queer so it feels like I'm reading the same book again. He writes the same thing every time.

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What do you think of Alan Watts?
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>>8541563

You'd get more discussion here if you referred to him as Anal Warts.
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>>8541563
I think you should stop making this thread
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>>8541608
First time I've made it, ever.

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It's time to talk about books telling us how to reinterpretate other books.
Literary theory thread
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Here's the list.
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I just read this. Provides a pretty good overview of literary theory pre-structuralism, structuralism, post-structuralism & psychoanalysis. This is bookended by a fantastic introduction and conclusion called 'political criticism'.

Question for those who know more than me- what are some good lit criticism books where I can see these theories in action e.g. a "post structuralist" analysis of some novel or story. I was thinking about S/Z by Barthes (for structuralism). What should I look...
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>>8541503
>>8541514
Is this book worthwhile?
I love aesthetic little pocket-sized editions, and I've been meaning to read about literary and narrative devices

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So I know this is a Plebeian shitpost, but exactly how difficult is it to read Gravity's Rainbow?
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A screaming comes across the sky. It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
It is too late. The Evacuation still proceeds, but it’s all theatre. There are no lights inside the cars. No light anywhere. Above him lift girders old as an iron queen, and glass somewhere far above that would let the light of day through. But it’s night. He’s afraid of the way the glass will fall—soon—it will be a spectacle: the fall of a crystal palace. But coming down in total blackout, without one glint of light, only great invisible crashing.
Inside the...
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It's about a 6 out of 10
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The caravan has halted. It is the end of the line. All the evacuees are ordered out. They move slowly, but without resistance. Those marshaling them wear cockades the color of lead, and do not speak. It is some vast, very old and dark hotel, an iron extension of the track and switchery by which they have come here. . . . Globular lights, painted a dark green, hang from under the fancy iron eaves, unlit for centuries . . . the crowd moves without murmurs or coughing down corridors straight and functional as warehouse aisles . . . velvet black surfaces contain the movement: the...
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It takes me about 3 hours to get through a 100 pages
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It really depends on the kind of book you're reading, senpai.

When I read Rousseau's "The Social Contract", I went a little slower to make sure I picked up on philosophical points and whatnot.

When I read the Dresden Files, I blazed right through them.
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>>8540959
It takes me 1 hour to read 20 pages
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>>8540959
thats not a bad rate desu.

I wouldn't worry about it.

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When did you realize that nobody realizes what 'irony' really is?

No, you don't know what it is, either.
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>>8540704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn9elWR13Z4
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The wikipedia page for Irony explains it pretty well.

It isn't actually a difficult concept.

It encompasses verbal irony, dramatic irony, comic irony, sarcasm and something else.
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Except I do know what irony is. I will agree that it's difficult to EXPLAIN what it means in a simple and easy manner.

What characters in Literature remind you of yourself?

I'm just like Aкaкий Aкaкиeвич Бaшмaчкин: intelligent, nihilistic, and with a wicked sense of humor.
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I am an empty person and there is no character who could possibly remind me of myself
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Werther, Edgar Linton, the guy from El Tunel, the guy from the underground notes. Any beta in literature
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>>8540637

I'm just like Lenny from Of Mice and Men.

Intelligent. Nihilistic. And with a wicked sense of humour.


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