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he fuck beatrice?
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he saw her like twice in his life
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>>8525695
yeah pretty pathetic
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>>8525549
he was the pluto of beta orbiters

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Why start with the greeks and not with the beginning? The Sumerian myths.
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>>8525522
Because everything the Mesopotamians wrote is horribly terse and short and pretty much devoid of any literary (as opposed to historical/anthropological) merit.
You can't blame anyone for skipping them and starting with the Vedic Aryans instead.
Even the Egyptians- who were writing things of interest centuries before the Sumerians- were better stylists- much more æsthetic art and writing system too. And the literary gap from them to the Greeks and Hebrews is still enormous.
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Did people even have those available for most of western history?
The point of "start with the greeks" isn't in order to satisfy some kind of chronological autism, but to read the common literary heritage of western civilization. The Epic of Gilgamesh was discovered in the 19th century, so it's not gonna be referenced and assumed in the majority of the "Canon".
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>>8525566
They influenced the bible. The bible's a big deal in the common literary heritage of western civilization.

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>Andrei Tarkovsky, The Interview: What can we say constitutes a masterpiece in the West? Even during the Renaissance, it is always the cry of human soul, which expresses a thousand desires: Look how happy I am! Look how unhappy I am! Look how I suffer! Look how I love! Look what villains encircle me! Look how I struggle against evil! Look how I perish under the weight of evil! Look how I prevail!
>In other words: Me! Me! Me!
Wtf, I hate western literature now? Why is western art so selfish and individualistic baka.
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>>8525521
wtf I hate Tarkovsky now
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Wtf I hate memes now
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>Symbolism is too narrow a notion to me, because symbols are there to be decoded. But an artistic image can't be decoded, it is an equivalent of the world we live in.
>A woman's ability to do a man's job is nothing special. Of course she can do it, but that doesn't prove anything.
>If someone already knows himself to be a genius, why write at all?
>Tragedy purifies man.
Everything this man said is gold. If only western authors...
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how do i be like him
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>>8525487
orange doesn't really suit everybody
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Why are they all cowering fearfully? Does he stink like the 9 circles of hell, is he a molester?
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>>8525487
>is he a molester?

he's a catholic so yes probably

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Just finished this meme. Not impressed. What did you think /lit/?
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>>8525440
Wasn't AMAZING, but I feld really comfy while reading it. Not that good compared to other Murakami work, though.
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it's not great, but I enjoyed it.
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Suicide and Handjobs

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Can someone give me some advice on how to get into poetry? I'm not sure where to start. I bought a cheap norton anthology of poetry, norton anthology of modern poetry, both for a cent plus shipping on amazon, as well as a modern poetry collection called "poems for the millennium" in three volumes, also for very cheap. The thing is, do I just leaf through the pages to whatever random poet I decide to read, and just discover poets that way? Is it even a good idea to read all these "classic" poets, or are there much broader and more appealing ranges of...
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>>8525375
Are there interpretations of the poems next to them? That can be nice and help you see why it's good. Some stuff you'll miss at first.

I would go chronologically, reading a few poems every day. This way you get a sense of the movements and styles. I don't really get what you mean when you say that you would fin something broader past the classical stuff. Reading the classical stuff provides a context to read more poetry. You could also gain this context by looking some extra information up online...
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>>8525394
>Are there interpretations of the poems next to them?
None what so ever. A lot of the poetry in these books is very hard to comprehend, for me at least.
>I don't really get what you mean when you say that you would fin something broader past the classical stuff
I mean broader as in a broader ranger, as in I'm sure there's plenty more interesting poetry outside of the classic poetry.
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Read them out loud, read only a couple a day and reread them to give you time to think about them. Don't worry if you don't get them, just keep reading until you find one that speaks to you.

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What 21st century books do you think will be called "classics" and considered some of the best ever written in a generation or so?
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Many of the classics of yesteryear are called classics not because they are particularly better written than their contemporaries but because they speak for the time they are written.

Lolita is expertly written of course but it is remembered as a classic for being part of the sexual liberation of the 60s.

While those might be good books do they really depict the world and its concerns as it is now, are they necessarily going to be remembered?
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>>8525277
>the street
>book thug
>life of Apu
>kike gunner

none of these
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>>8525313
10/10 meme desu senpai
good spicyness

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>read this for first time in life
>expecting a story about general angst, rebellion, and the trials of being a teenager
>get a story about a kid with a granny fetish who goes to bars a lot

Fuck this hack
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>>8525220
Congrats, you're stupid
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>>8525220
>granny fetish
How can this be possible if he was gay?
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>>8525220
>granny fetish
But he was a pedophile

Am I the only one around here who adores him? He was so pompous and proud, with a rock 'n' roll attitude as a young man, and now that he's in his eighties he's the cutest old man (whilst still being prolific). Besides, most of his facetious quips and opinions are well-deserved and come from a good place (if only to spark conversation at the very least). And his best work is on par (and arguably even surpasses) the works of other SFF greats like PKD and Wolfe. He's written 10,000+ short stories--there ought to be gems worthy of great praise (and there...
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>>8525212
He's written some fantastic stories. I don't think he surpasses PKD, but he does surpass Wolfe.

His nonfiction writing is pretty fantastic, too.
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yes, Harlan, you are the only one around here who adores him. you are the only one who posts these "who loves harlan ellison" threads, and i am the only one who demands you hand over all of the stories you collected for "The Last Dangerous Visions", since it's fucking obvious you aren't going to ever publish the fucking thing.

asimov was right.
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>>8525212
>He's writte 10,000+ short stories

Excuse me. I have to call bullshit on this. Can you list all ten thousand stories he's written, or point to a list somewhere?

You aren't including all the anthologies of other peoples' work that he wrote introductions for, are you?

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Am I, dare I say it, our guy?
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>>8525193
>a 'vidya' loser

you and him

But epin reference! Ha ha
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>>8525198
C'mon now, I'm not one of those people. I double majored in English while getting my CS degree. I read Gravity's Rainbow. I hate gamers as much as anyone.

Speaking of GR, I hear you guys like it too. Have you played my games?
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>>8525210
yeah, i loved the one called Sage & Report

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Did Martin Luther realize that when Paul (unlike James, who mentioned cases like Rehab the Prostitute) was talking about works, he meant works of the law, such as circumcision and eating Kosher (which Paul made clear)? He didn't mean you don't need works in a more general sense. It sounds like Luther misunderstood

>Know that Marriage is an outward material thing like any other secular business.

>But the woman is free through the divine law and cannot be compelled to suppress her carnal desires. Therefore...
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Nobody here's got a clue about what Luther said or not.
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>>8525181
Because of your pic, this thread is now about redpilled beliefs.

I hate women and liberals
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>>8525185
Those are feelings, not beliefs

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it hasn't brought us any new ideas, it's not philosophy

its pseudo math bs....
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what a shit post

Quine was the most influential philosopher of the 20th century and he was analytical
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>>8525055
Did he cause anyone to change their ways for the better?
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>>8525046
private language argument, Quine-Putnam indispensability argument, Gettier Problem, Mary's Room, the existence of a-posteriori necessary truths, modal realism, indeterminacy of translation, etc. etc.

What has continental philosophy given us?

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What are some good authors writing about walking, forests, nature, wandering etc.?

I know Gary Snyder, Muir and Thoreau, there's also Deakin and Macfarlane.
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>>8525043
There were these little known poets called the Romantics. Give them a try.
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In case someone would ask - I've already read Into the Wild by Krakauer, maybe I'll try his book on Everest too.
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>>8525047
Thanks, I remember reading some time ago about Wordsworth, and I got Lyrical Ballads on my Kindle already, I'll give it a try. What are other English/American poets that have written a lot about it?

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??? in terms of theater
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No, but he's on the same level as Eminem in terms of hip-hop.
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>>8524978
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>>8524978
NOT EVEN CLOSE BABYYYYY

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than Leo Tolstoy

>derr derr im a christian radical, im going to do beleive in a sky fairy, der der der, people actually think im a good writer der der derr
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>>8524951
ebin
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>>8524953
what does that mean?
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>>8524954
It means this thread actually isn't ebin

What exactly does Zizek mean when he says "pure ideology"?
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>>8524920
Spooks
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>>8524920
Essentially imagine ideology to be a loud white noise that permeates all discourse. You're forced to recognize noise that deviates from it, some are highe pitched and some are lower pitched. You recognize things relationship to ideology through their divergence from.
Pure ideology is when something blends into this background
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>>8524920
Aesthetics

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Im a poorfag who's looking for audiobook downloads. The problem with places like audible is, it looks like they want you to pay for the books AND the sub fee. is there anywhere that lets you download just the audio books? or a sub that doesnt make you pay for the books again?
>pic unrelated
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>>8524908
Recently bought the audiobook for Heart of Darkness on iTunes, was a pretty good price and seems to be well read. Also, I don't think Audible makes you pay a subscription fee and pay for the books.
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>>8524908
for the sub fee you get one audiobook per month for "free" at least if i remember right it´s only one
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>>8524908
>loosing

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What's /lit/ equal to Birdman?
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probably harry potter. similar levels of autistic fandom and lack of artistic merit
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Tai Pei
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What books spend the most effort trying to appear meaningful of depth with the least to show for it?

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ITT: your favorite author's favorite author

Henry Miller.
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>>8524851
has Gass always looked like a deranged demon?
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>>8524851
James Joyce

(jk it's Shakespeare)
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>>8524913
Well, that joke failed. Hard.

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What's the funniest book you have ever read?
How does one write a good comedy?
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>>8524827
Candide is the funniest book I've ever read. Have something to say with your comedy.
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Confederacy of Dunces
Dont be sparing with the curse words
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Jimeen. Drunken geese.

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How do I find cheap books?
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used bookstore
deal oz.com
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Thanks m8. That helps a lot. Just got House of Leaves for like $5.00
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>>8524791
I bought some Willa Cather at the dollar store the other day

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what book (or books) has had the largest emotional effect on you? any emotion
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>>8524726
I'm reading Lolita for the first time. I'm feeling the a nice amount of disgust towards Humbert.
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>>8524726
Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
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>>8524726
Middlemarch made me cry both ways.
Dubliners made my stomach hurt.

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Books for killing myself?
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They'd have to be extremely heavy, or quite sharp.
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>>8524649
My diary desu
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My journal tbqh

I've just experienced a pretty dramatic romantic disappointment. Any shit I can read so that I don't become an embittered /r9k/ loser? I don't want to read any overtly feminist literature, just something centering on a complicated woman whose interiority is ultimately vindicated. Shit like Portrait of a Lady, The Man who Loved Children, Wife of Bath's prologue, Lolita, etc.
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>>8524631
too late
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>>8524672
what do you mean
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definitely go with The Golden Notebook or something else by Lessing.

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What is ultimate satire? What makes a comedy funny?
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I'm not sure, but, satire is ultimately garbage.
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>>8524572
Learn how to use commas if you're going to use them.

There's a whole lot of satirical lit. Satire is a response to a specific culture, so it'd be hard to find one "ultimate" satire. Or maybe it'd be something gay like a satire of satires. Not sure.
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>>8524576
The ultimate work of satire is probably Candide follow by Gulliver's Travels

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My gf's last name is Kafka and she's never read Kafka before. What's the best one to get for her and why? I've only read Die Verwandlung.
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>>8524526
Make her read The Castle and keep re-assuring her that the ending is GREAT.
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>>8524526
The Penal Colony if-u-know-what-i-mean
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the metamorphosis, and change the descriptions of the bug into the description of your cock

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what books have literally changed your life?
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>The Art of Being Born Rich
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>youtried/10
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>>8524480
The Art of the Deal.
Parents were on vacation when I had diarrhea on their toilet, because their bathroom was comfy and I wasn't allowed to use it. The house was inexplicably out of toilet paper, with no time to shower before school. Luckily they left behind my dad's copy of Trump's book, at that time the designated bathroom reader. I ran through all the unsavory options in my head, and decided on tearing a bunch of papers out from the binding. I cleaned myself up, and through this all, I learned that printing paper can make surprisingly comfortable toilet paper in an emergency, but it doesn't flush very well.

This knowledge has truly changed my life.

someone you work with, who reads a lot, asks you to lend them a non-fiction book to see what you've been into lately. What do you lend them?

pic related for me

but I'm curious what non-fiction you'd lend someone.
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>>8524429
Bottom's Dream
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>>8524429
>non fiction
nothing because i am not a mouth breathing sperg
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winter notes on summer impressions

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Hi Literature.

Michael Cunningham said that Virginia Woolf was "a ferocious critic".

Are there any essays or works where Woolf does literary criticism on other authors or books? I can't seem to find anything directly related to this on Woolf's bibliography page.

I am drunk and bored. Please respond.

Thanks,
Me
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>>8524406
The only person that hates more shit is Dan Schneider or Nabokov
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A ferocious critic for a few paragraphs, maybe. There are essays of hers on literature in general, and essays with passing remarks to other works and authors, but I don't know that there are any which address anyone specific.
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>>8524436
I don't think I was looking very hard. This seems to be relevant:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Fiction_(essay)

Should I wait until I've learned more Spanish to read Clarice? Or are her translated works fine?

Also, Clarice Lispector general. What is her best work to start with, etc.
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To clarify, would Spanish help with treading through her language, being closer to it than english is?
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Qué hermosa mujer.
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>>8524384
She wrote in portuguese, not spanish dumb angloposter.


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