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I've been reading the bible every day all day for the past five months.
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>when people try to rationalize things that are not meant to be rational
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>>8505445
>benevolent God
>is okay with people being tortured in hell for all eternity
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>>8505445
>Now we can get to the Gospels and their accounts of Jesus’s death. Our earliest Gospel is Mark’s (written about 70 CE — that is, about 40 years after the events it narrates). In Mark, the disciples ask Jesus “Where do you want us to prepare the Passover for us” (Mark 14:12). He gives them their instructions, and so, on this day of “Preparation,” they get everything ready. That evening, after it gets dark, they eat with Jesus the Passover meal. He takes the symbolic bread and breaks...
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how can eternal return happen if the universe is constantly expansing forever?
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>>8505444
constantly = infinity .... ?
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Because at some point it will go into the opposite direction and begin to collapse
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it can't and doesn't

So question, what kind of themes and narratives do you think encompass growing up in the millenial generation? Not just the easy ones like political correctness and world naivety, but the things that probe deeper into the collective mindset they grew into.
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homosexuality
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>>8505415
Everything outlined in Society Of Spectacle and Dialectic Of Enlightenment
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digital isolation seems like an obvious fit

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cheever? auchincloss? gaddis?
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>>8505366
Updike
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>>8505440
>updike graduated from shillington college.
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>>8505552
i mean high school

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So, I've only read pic related by Haruki Murakami, but I feel like it probably isn't his best. Any suggestions on which of his books I should read next?
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>>8505357
His books are for numale leftists and women
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just watch monogatari series
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>>8505360
I don't really give a fuck who you think his books are "for." Are you the kind of fag who won't read certain authors because of LE MEEMEE? I'm sorry you have such a narrow view of the world of literature.

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i hate you all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ise4I5Snlgc&feature=youtu.be
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>>8505326
Woman!

Leftist!

Cuck!

SJW!!!!

Feminism!!

White genocide

The redpill!

lord Kek!
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What's the name of the song?
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>>8505347
Lamp - 最終列車は25時

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All I have to do is look up a thesarus, throw a bunch of terms together i.e fancy words and then i will be celebrated like he is
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>>8505313
You don't understand his conception of what philosophy is and what concept-creation entails.

Go back to /r9k/ and /pol/ and stick to your SJW, cuck, Chad, Stacy, roastie, shill, etc. terms
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>>8505313
Anon its ok to admit you're not intelligent and that there's some writers you just can't understand. Everyone has their limits, for some they can't walk and for you its advanced philosophy, you're no less valuable as a person
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>>8505327

Deleuze is someone that said little by saying alot

Wittgenstein was someone that said alot by saying little

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I have to complete a class in Literature as part of the requirements on my bachelors in biology. Professor is very nitpicky correcting and for now I probably just have a C as other students in the class. What type of professor do you call these ones?
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>>8505262
Women!!!!
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>>8505281
Yes lol she is one
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>>8505262
>What type of professor do you call these ones?
nigga, calling people's names instead of thinking how to write properly is exactly why are you getting your fucking C

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The White Hall. A schizophrenic 28-year old gas station attendant in Daly City, California likes to walk around in San Francisco, California at night and smoke cigarettes and sometimes walks into apartment buildings he doesn't live in or know anyone at. One gray Sunday morning he walks into an apartment building, goes to the top floor which is an empty white hall with a brown rug between one apartment and the elevator lobby. The apartment door is closed but the man checks if it's unlocked and it is. He walks in. It's empty and it's being repainted. It smells...
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Purity. A 32 year old city college professor evangelizes on Saturdays in San Francisco and teaches Sunday school to adults at a Spanish-speaking Pentecostal church that is mostly Latino. He's slim, dresses well, and slicks his hair. He also sings in the jangly and reverby Christian rock band at his church. He starts dating a white-American woman and over time gets her to attend church with him. The story ends with their getting married.
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Bomber. 24 Islamic terrorists strap bombs to themselves and suicide bomb the financial district in San Francisco at the same time. The plot follows the lives of ten different individuals during and after the event.
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>>8505174
In a world where all conspiracy theories are true, even those that seem to conflict, a deceive investigates a murder.

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>read Freud's Introductory lectures
>very interesting
>begin reading this
>halfway through
>remember that Freud was a hack whose theories were rooted in Jewish mysticism and have been disproved by real psychologists time and time again
>throw book in le trash

Is there any reason why I should continue? If Freud is wrong does that de-legitimize all of the leftist thinkers who...
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>>8505161
>lacan
>leftist
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>>8505186
>>8505173

What is going on on /lit/ right now?

By the way my "Jewish mysticism comment" wasn't anti-semitic. Just pointing out that it was non-scientific.
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>>8505161
wtf I hate leftists, psychoanalysis and Jews now!

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Should I read this? Does it contain any literary merit?
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>>8504998
it's his best.
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>>8504998
You should read everything. What you're able to read is up to you.
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>>8504998
none at all. get fucked mate.

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So who here buying the superior new german language release of the month?
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>>8504970
That's not The Last Wolf
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>>8504970
I've read a small sample of the first few pages. It definitely gets you hooked from the get-go, like most of the other NYRB collections.
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>>8504970
They used to have an edition that called the collected stories that contained his best short fiction and was about 240 pages. That edition is now out of print. They broke up his short fiction into three very short books: Berlin Stories, Diaries of a Schoolboy, and the one you have there, each being under 100 pages.

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I dint believe you guys read.

Show me what are you reading at the moment /lit/?
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pretty good

The universe is your will.
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The universe is my will.
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>>8504730
Then why is everything so shitty and why do I lack willpower?
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>>8504804
You spend all the willpower supporting this shitty world. You didn't have much to begin with.

you're = your
your = your

their = there
they're = there
there = there

this is the new way of writing. I am shakespeare adapt or die
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>>8504691
Better Yor and Yur
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>thinking a single person can effect linguistic evolution
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>>8504703
>shakespeare literally did this

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Goodreads thread! Make friends and yell at people for liking things you didn't.

Mine:

https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/59224901-julas
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Why don't you finally get an ereader and just download all of Gene Wolfe? It's hard to believe you can't find him in bookshops outside Soldier of the Mist when even I could.
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This is probably the first Goodreads thread I've been in that Sebastian didn't start. It feels strange.

https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/22494004-anna

I'm really afraid Jerusalem is going to be bad. I've been waiting so long, I just need it to live up to Voice of the Fire at least.
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https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/57922091-william

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Do any of you write flash fiction? There seems to be a market for it.

I'm going to try writing some and I'm looking for advice on what makes flash fiction good. For example, how do you craft a story in such little space?

Feel free to post your flash fiction and critique others.
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Does anybody know of any good examples of flash fiction?
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>>8504581
>>8506196
Flash Fiction is a surrender to mediocrity, compromising with this generations infantilized lack of attention span and dedication.
Its not that short fiction can't be good it just isn't because of who it attracts both as writers and readers
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>how do you craft a story in such little space?
Read Donald Barthelme. He'll teach you that you don't really have to.

>>8506196
Also try Flannery O'Connor's "Why Do The Heathen Rage?". That one story and basically everything of Barthelme's, I think about a lot.

>>8506251
Relax. Flash fiction predates this generation by decades and is still not very popular with people young or old. Millenials are...
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What do English scholars do?

I don’t mean that in a “herf derf get a real job ya bookish nerds” sense, either. Academics study things. They write papers, they research information and further the field and generally contribute to the great big ball of human understanding. I get that and I love it.

But if you’re a professor of, like, classical literature – what do you do? What’s researched? What more is there to say about century/ies-old books that have been discussed to death by everyone in the country since high school? Whether it’s analyzing themes...
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>>8504453
>What more is there to say about century/ies-old books that have been discussed to death
Congratulations, you've just figured out why every other paper is now titled "Modalities of Spaces in the Canterbury Tales: Perspectives on Gender, the Body and Queer Politics" -- almost all on your own.
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>>8504471

But is this a bad thing if the alternative is no one writing anything?
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>>8504542
Yes.

If there really isn't anything left to write about then academic criticism is dead and we shouldn't try to pretend otherwise.

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Whats a good publisher to read the bible? Uk amazon/ebay pref
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>>8504442
Too many to count. Go to a bookstore and and look through them. Most bookstores have a whole shelf full of bibles. Find whatever is more confortable for you.

For translation use either NIV for ease of reading, standard english version for the most accurate translation, and the classic king james version (not new king james) if you want the old thee's and thou's.
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>publisher

You mean translation? Go with NSRV. KJ will be too hard for a beginner.
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>>8504728

KJV isn't that hard to understand and it's by far the most universal and important translation.

I doubt you're going to read the Bible twice because it's yooj, so get KJV and do it legit the first time.

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I know reading will obviously help and I'm doing it already but would be better if I get some recommendations in genres/writers and any other tips/guides/whatever. Feel free to say anything you think might work.
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read non fiction
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>>8504402
I don't read fiction in the first place.
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>>8504482
read fiction

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i'm looking for something zany, humorous, not too dark but not a YA novel.

last couple books i enjoyed were Crying Lot Of 49, Beware Of Pity by Stefan Zweig and The Girl With Curious Hair by DFW.

Any recommendations?
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Confederacy of Dunces - Catch 22
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Master and Margarita.
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Master and Margarita

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of the 20th century... I mean Songs of Solomon, Beloved

both are much more ambitious works than Ulysses ever was

not even just the 20th century...she surpasses 19th century authors like Leo Tolstoy

Tolstoy had an inferior mind and skill to Morrison, Joyce was inferior as well
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>>8504165
yeah sure why not.
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Literally who.
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>>8504165
Morrison is good. Song of Solomon is a little hamfisted at points, but it reads very well.

If you're going to pull Russian liturgy into this though, Tolstoy isn;t the one to do it with. not to mention that he wasn't primarily 20th century.

alright so It's out and I grabbed my copy. so far his writing is childish, shallow and yet also pedantic. it seems like overblown genre fiction. are his comics also this poorly written?
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plyb
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>>8504164
>it seems like overblown genre fiction

Who'd a thunk it
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you're at fault for picking up something clearly beyond your level on the basis of memeposting
pleb

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Is this book still worth reading?
I'm already familiar with other transgressive literature. I also enjoyed the film, watched it like 5 times.
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>>8504074
It's an OK book. One of the rare books that the movie adaptation is better than the book. Ellis is a cock too so best not to fund his retarded lifestyle.
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>>8504097
Yeah, I don't really know much about Ellis, but he seems like a fag hack. Book is only OK, I'd say don't bother.
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No. It's an edgelord book for Milo fanboys.

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Has anyone else read many oxford very short introductions?

I've found that they can be very variable in quality. Ones that were good:
>Aristotle
>Plato
>Kant

Ones that were bad:
>Hume

Absolutely guttural:
>History of Mathematics

Does anyone else read these, and which ones are good? I don't mind about the subject much, I enjoy reading about a lot of different things.
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>>8504045
Combinatorics and Kant were both good. They do vary in quality but mostly they're fun guides to have. Not a real source of substantial knowledge or insight tho
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>>8504054
Why is that though? Reading them, one gets the feeling that the writers and editors are intentionally hiding important/insightful information. They might be short introductions, but do they have to be so dickless? Compare 50-100 page manuals on drug making that show all and tell all.
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The one about Black Holes was great.

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>>8503958
I don't think of it very much at all.

Meme history for plebs
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>>8503958

The book is really quite dumb. It is hailed by "anti-racists" as proof that Europeans were only successful due to environment.

Guns, Germs, and Steel all were brought about by European ingenuity.
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wtf i hate racism now

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being smarter greatly improves my reading comprehension. if i'm hungover, looking at a page of aristotle is just like staring at a blank page.

do any of you guys do exercise/take pills to try to get your mind working better for reading/writing?

nootropics? creatine? weight lifting? adderall? new wave shit like ginko or green tea? kratom? weed?

anything you specifically avoid?
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>>8503901
The only pill you need is the redpill
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>>8503903
the what?
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>>8503945
Come to pol and r9k and we'll teach you the truth about women and nonwhites

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Is this a good way to learn languages?
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>>8503696

Yeah, if you combine it with other things.
Usually you'll want a grammar book, some immersion stuff and at least one other way of picking up vocab.
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It's a good start but it won't get you far.
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Duolingo
Memrise/Anki
Grammar book
Music/TV/Films
Pen pal

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O /lit/, has it ever occurred to you that the reason we're still talking about Harambe is comparable to the reason we're still talking about Achilles? That is to say, had Harambe lived a normal, long life he would have been unknown and/or quickly forgotten, but since he died a violent, premature, unjustified death, he has attained kleos--eternal, immortal glory. Please respond in dactylic hexameter when possible (this is a literature board, after all)
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>>8503688
Alas, poor Harambe! I knew him, Horatio: a fellow
of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy: he hath
borne me on his back a thousand times; and now, how
abhorred in my imagination it is! my gorge rims at
it. Here hung those lips that I have kissed I know
not how oft. Where be your gibes now? your
gambols? your songs? your flashes of merriment,
that were wont to set the table on a roar? Not one
now, to mock your own grinning? quite chap-fallen?
Now get you to my lady's chamber, and tell her, let
her paint an inch thick, to this favour she must
come; make her laugh at that. Prithee, Horatio, tell
me one thing.
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#dicksoutforachilles
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>>8503688
>Harambe
Who?

Why aren't novellas or short books popular? I really love the short, intense 50-100 page stories. Enough room to make a great story, develop characters, and read it in one day. Am I the only one who likes this?

And do you have any suggestions? Any good novellas?
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because nivolas are better
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>>8503512
Because most readers feel ripped off by anything that isn't 500 pages minimum.
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yeah i like short stories because you can see what an author is really about in one sitting, rather than investing a week or more. its like watching a movie instead of watching multiple seasons a tv series.


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