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she was such a qt lads. why did she have to end it all? :(
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>>8503285
i wanna count the red stars and those of plum-color with her
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mainly I'd want to suck her t1ts. however as of late those desire have passed away like the memory of a dream in the morning

I recently started reading Larry Brooks' Story Engineering. So far I'm finding it useful. Have you read it? If so what did you think?

I'm also interested in reading more books about writing. Or other resources. One that focuses on short stories would be nice since that's what I'm working on now.
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Ok. I don't want to be a dick. But one of the faults of our world is that people can say whatever they want without god killing them, mostly (maybe not a fault, leaves it up to us to correct lies).

Someone saying something in front of a crowd of thousands doesn't make whatever they said true. Neither does saying it in the form of a pretty poem. Neither does writing it in a really well-designed, cool book that you can get for cheap on Amazon.

Do you catch my drift? The idea of "six core competencies for writing" may be reassuring to you, but...
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>>8503375
And I say good nature because you're acting as if we live in a pure world where the laws of literature are as inflexible and as teachable as the laws of physics. You BLASTED POLYANNA!!!
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New Oxford Guide to Writing is all you need.

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How does /lit/ feel about McCarthy?

I'm currently reading The Crossing and I'd like to hear some thoughts on the author.
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>>8502862
Probably the biggest hack to be taken so seriously by so many people who should've known better. An absolute disgrace.
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>>8502872
Care to elaborate?
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>>8502862
corncobber.

basicallyw hat >>8502872 said.

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living off the success of his wife

this is Percy Shelley who lived his life off the success of his wife, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein

quite pathetic
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>>8502896
Is Percy Shelley really celebrated in literature?
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Kek.
I'll give you a one our of ten for a laugh.

>mfw everyone I know who's reading Infinite Jest is "1/3 of the way through"
>tfw so am I
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Been reading Infinite Jest on my Kindle for the past couple of months. I'd heard that the footnotes were the same length as the actual text for the book (slightly longer, in fact) so at 47% through I assumed I was very nearly finished. Now I've got the horrible suspicion that my Kindle version doesn't include footnotes at all, and I'm still not even halfway through the book at all.

Maybe I'm just not /lit/, but I really can't see the purpose of the book being this long. It's neatly written and humorous, but to my mind there seems to...
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>>8503521
Yep, the footnotes are like 10% the size of the rest of the book. The book doesn't get "better" per se, but its good. Don't feel like you have to get through it asap. Take it slow, read it alongside other books. Even if its like 10 pages a day thats still only 3 months to finish
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opie here. I'm enjoying it a whole lot, but I worry that I'll hit a wall with all of the doorstoppers I want to read. GR, The Recognitions/JR, The Tunnel, are all on my docket, but I don't want to be slogging through each one just because they're long. Any advice on getting over the mental fatigue, or is setting a page count per day quota the best way to go about it?

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What are the most important of Aristotle's works that I should read in relation to their influence on later philosophers? I'm particularly interested in how he influenced theology and people like St. Augustine and Aquinas, and more modern philosophers. Also can I jump right into Nicomachean ethics or should I read some of his other stuff first?
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This is one of the slowest boards. There are threads still active from weeks ago. We don't need these. Got a question? By all means, fire away.
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>>8502445
Chronological order, same as you would for any other philosopher
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Where can I find a list of books I should read to be "well read"? I wanna apply for med school and need to up my reading for entry exam

Is the P&V translation of The Brothers Karamazov
the best translation?
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>>8502408
You shouldn't read anything translated by a woman
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>>8502408
Yeah P&V are the masters of Dost, dont let butthurt faggots who wasted their time with inferior translations tell you otherwise
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>>8502423
This

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Who else here /workingonthesis/?

Pic somewhat related. Half of my secondary sources
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didnt you say you completed this already in another thread
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>>8501272

No, I'm still working on mine. You may have the wrong Anon
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Not rich so no.

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When did you realize that calling people "plebs" as an insult was a sign that you were eating from the garbage can of bourgeois ideology? In the future, after our socialist revolution, people who read lots of literature will be known as true plebeians, and distasteful people who just laze around all day will be called patricians.

I am a proud plebeian, join me /lit/.
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fag-got
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>>8500631
Karl Marx walks into a bar

and upon seeing you there tells you to go fuck yourself
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>>8500631
To bad socialism is shit

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> Hey anon, what are you reading?
> Huh, what's it about?

Pic related

ITT: casual filters
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Finnegan's Wake does actually have a plot you know, like you can actually explain what is happening to someone who hasn't read the book.
Do you think the book is just random funny words talking about nothing for like 600 pages?
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>>8502031
what is the plot
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>>8502031
>Finnegan's Wake
>Finnegan's
>gan's
>n's
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could you go a year without reading a white male cis straight
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could you go an hour without posting shit

"sage" in the option field works newfags, use it
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>>>/pol/
>>>/b/
There you go OP, two links to places you'll have much more fun than here without annoying the piss out of 80% of the board population
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>>8500085
so thats a no..

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Recommendations:
>Fantasy
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg/
General: http://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg/
Flowchart: http://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg/
CLANKED edition

What's your favorite book with robots?

Do we see enough automaton-based fantasy?

Are the robots our future?

>Sci-Fi
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg/
General: http://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg/ http://i.imgur.com/gNTrDmc.jpg/
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>>8498819
I haven't ready any sci fi with cool robots. Any recs?
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>>8498819
>http://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg/
>Consider Phlebas
>not Player of Games or Use of Weapons
meme chart desu
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I've tried reading Jack Vance's Dying Earth and his writing seems pretty bad. Big disappointment since he's been touted as a huge influence on a lot of writers.

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>He had but one fear; himself.
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>He he he, that he had heeded Howard, ha ha, it was hardly horrible.
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>>8498390
That should be a colon. Semicolons don't work in that context.
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>>8498390
>He had but one fear; others.

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>tfw I'm a virgin so I can't write about sex
Feels Borges man
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Just watch porn you dip
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>>8497225
Did Borges shack up with some fine brown 20 yo hunty when he was old and crusty af?
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>>8497227
>>8497227
>>8497227
ayyyyyy lmao

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Chart thread.
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Why do you use this junk when your level of comprehension suffers as a result?

>A new study which found that readers using a Kindle were "significantly" worse than paperback readers at recalling when events occurred in a mystery story is part of major new Europe-wide research looking at the impact of digitisation on the reading experience.
source: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/aug/19/readers-absorb-less-kindles-paper-study-plot-ereader-digitisation

>Most studies have concluded that people...
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>>8495184
doesn't specify if it's an e-ink reader or not while also mentioning the use of ipads in the study. are you sure it's not comparing a kindle fire to reading a paperback?
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>>8495184
>mystery story

PS: I bet you read translations
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>>8495199
>>mystery story
That was just one study out of many

>PS: I bet you read translations
I'm fluent in 5 languages, and more than capable in 8. Everything I read is from original text.

I'm fascinated by fascism, which I not only see as a political ideology, but also as an art form. Can you recommend reading material on fascism with regards to fascist art?
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italian fascist architecture is really interesting
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>>8495119
Walter Benjamin's the Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction.
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>>8495119
Go on /his/ and shut the fuck up

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Sup, /lit/. What courses we all doing? Required reading? Looking forward to it or not? Post your thoughts

Any Glasgow uni family in here?
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Taking an honors seminar on (((Yiddish))) lit. I go to an East COAST school in the US, so these aren't hard to come by for any good goy with interest.

Reading Call It Sleep by Henry Roth rn and liking it.
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Small town Midwest Liberal Arts school checking in here. I'm taking a great course on American Literature during and after the Civil War. Reading a lot of Whitman and Melville poems about war, Drum Taps is amazing. Otherwise, I'm just fucking around and getting random poli sci and english credits until I can go get a teacher's license and make high school kids whatever books I want them to.

Also, I volunteer by teaching in a prison which is pretty cool. Highly recommend doing some service-based learning before you leave college.
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>>8493233
I applied for Glasgow but ended up going to Cardiff, pretty stoked to start next week

In terms of required reading I've got Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics, Oedipus Rex, Ovid's Metamorphoses and a few poems to read for the first few weeks
>I am literally starting with the greeks

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Looking for best Anti-nihilist philosophy
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>>8492366
If you're trying to lift yourself out of nihilism, you can't. The way out is through, and only the beast you become at the bottom of the pit is strong enough to claw its way out. You can maybe save your social life by becoming an ironic walking Bernard Black reference but either way you're doomed to at least a few more years of misery.
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>>8492377

That's some deep shit, anon. Thank you.
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>>8492366
my diary, desu

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Thirty six kiwidollars

Dont forget to rate, post, like and subscribe
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What are the red ones?

> rate
Don Quixote is good to read at least once; certainly not a 'keeper', in my opinion. Odyssey is good. Hobbit is trash.
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Sorry a better picture
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>>8491788
Read Pushkin before Dostoevsky. It may or may not help, but he likes to allude to Pushkin a lot.

Alright, enough with this meme drivel, you fucks. I would like someone to read my poetry over (not that you people are really qualified to do so), but it is so very bad that I would be too embarrassed to share it with anyone who is not behind a veil of anonymity. This thread is for those in a similar predicament, as I am sure there are many very bad poets around here. Prose is also welcome, so long as you believe your prose to have the same ends as poetry, and to be written in a poetic manner.

I will begin with two sonnets I've written. The second was at the behest of a professor of mine, which is why I subtitle it "A Schoolboy's Exercise," with the absurd hope that it may stand as an early work along with the likes of Milton's Prolusions, which generally are not terribly insightful in themselves, but which are illuminated by Milton's later grandeur. Of course, my education is not nearly so good as I would like and deserve, and so my writing suffers.

Sonnet: An Evening Online

If to the monocle-acquainted eye
The aeroplane and piston seemed profane,
It’d flood the ages’ gloaming with its cry
To suffer this too-enchanting window-pane.—
And yet to call it windowpane were wode:
The analogy would fail this ópaque lake
Aboding vermin and the verminous ode,
The wording destitute, the feeling fake.
‘Turning blankly toward the blank page, churning
‘With desire, stranded in a house on fire,’
Runs the ode, ‘I abandoned fecund learning
‘For mere abstraction; a sterile, lustful mire.’
Nor can be saved the drifting hedonist
By monkish virtues: only amethyst
In verbal landscapes questioningly laid
Can make the Angel able to be kisst.

Contradictory Sonnet (A Schoolboy’s Exercise)

When I do count the clock that tells the time,
I still may call that hue unto my sight
As shows in Earth in spite of burning lime,
Outpacing music’s evanescent light.
Think how the amberlaid soprano cleaves
Unto the accompaniment, yet still is heard
Above that mumming beat commanding leaves
To hang and fall in sepiatone, and bird
To sing piano. Therefore, two lives we make.
For that we ne’er will live so long, nor so
Inter eternal visions, we must forsake
That one which perjures or true fire or snow—
But, that life which shines the dark on blazoned Sense
Shall mire me, but send you baptized hence!

Bloom is officiating as a reminder of your inevitable physical and literary mortality. Of course, the job of poetry is ideally to defy the inevitable.
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I guess I'll bump with more schlock until someone gives attention or asks for it. The second of these requires expansion. I think it to be my best poem so far (which is awful), but the meditation it implies needs more time to unfold. I'll have to at least double it while maintaining its reverent feel, which is difficult for me, because I'm not naturally reverent. Oh well.

The Sorrow of Literature

Think.
--The Waste Land, §II

Think of the brawling song in which achieves
The milky violence of a poet’s sigh.
One’s thought can make...
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One more bump. This is a metrical exercise of the worst kind. Formally, I was consistent, but I think it to be a truly ugly piece of writing. Pitifully, it is my longest poem also.

Commandment in Reverse

Beauty is momentary in the mind—
The fitful tracing of a portal;
--‘Peter Quince at the Clavier’, §IV

The banyan tree was fed
Upon an empty husk;
This poem, though born dead,
Shall smelly up the dusk.

It can’t do any better. Smell,
Though lowest of the passive senses,
Can by the figgy tree do well.
I won’t presume...
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Interesting, and in some ways excellent. Thanks for sharing, anon. Your wit and clever wordplay is refreshing, though oddly out of time: this reads like someone from Dryden and Pope's circle of friends, or Swift. Whence the Augustan sensibility? Do you like Horatian and Juvenalian satire? Have you read Lovecraft's hilarious Eliot send-up, Waste Paper? I enjoyed them all, even the "Shakespeare did it!" and lesser exercises. You have legitimate poetic dimensions and abilities, though they obviously serve your head more than your heart. Skill is not your stumbling-block,...
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Didn't see one. If you want feedback, have the courtesy to give other's the same treatment too. Don't just wait. It could be as simple as a feeling.

But please, you'll post whatever regardless.
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>>8472400
This will be the opening scene of a short story I'm working on. I want the narration to be slightly erratic in order to compliment the main character's less than stellar mental state.
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>>8472423
I don't like the uncle's second opening line. I want it to a bit less rambolic but still chiding. I didn't mean to separate his speech without an action in between, that's an error on my part.
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>>8472435

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Should I drop out of college and become a writer instead? I have a high IQ but I much rather spend all day every day reading fiction literature, history, and philosophy drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes. I'd live in a cheap studio in SF off SSI.
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>>8505492

Sleep 8 hours today, read the biographies of Edgar Allen Poe and Herman Melville, and then reconsider.
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>>8505492
No
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>>8505492
i did. would not recommend.

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I'd like to read a novel like Loveless or Isn't Anything.
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Mrs. Dalloway by Virginia Woolf
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>>8505407
In terms of the whole point being less about the content of the work and more about its style and form, particularly the way in which the form actually obscures and distorts the subject matter and draws attention to this distortion, I'd unmemeingly recommend Ulysses and other formally-fucky high modernist novels as shoegaze-esque.
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>>8505441
Ulysses is not like that.

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I'll start with a few.

>Creepy rich stalker who has no depth or meaning to his life wants to get laid so much that he dies.
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>>8505237

>A petulant imbecile and his cohorts use satanic rituals to thwart the plans of Magic Snake Hitler.
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>>8505237

>A farm hand learns the value of eugenics.
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>>8505237
Mein Kampf and Schopenhauer's 'On Women': everything they say is true

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohc8Fs-X6gU

Can anyone provide a solid retort against traditionalism without resorting to namecalling and silly synecdoches like "fascism", which are supposed to trigger people into disagreement through emotionality rather than reason?
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not literature
fuck off
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>>8505038

traditionalism has already failed to support itself against technologically driven socialism

the traditional world is being bulldozed for the uberwomb because its safer for childbearers and Julius Evola has yet to catch on with pregnant women (or men)
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>>8505065

What world are leftists living in? Why do you remain so deluded about your imminent success?

Reactionaries are on the rise, everywhere, from the alt right around Trump to Moscow having Evolians in their thinks tanks. A social democratic couldn't even get the nomination for president and Europe is turning to the far right with every new wave of refugees.

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/lit/! I was perusing the stacks today and came across a copy of M&D. For all of us that have had to be overbared by this work while digging through posts, I thought we might discuss.

For those that don't know, M&D is Mason and Dixon by Thomas Pynchon. Pynchon gets his fair share of 'miration over on this way. for reasons too many to sumarise succinctly for a non-pynchon reader like myself.

So lets do this one more time. Pynchon thread.
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I was gonna make a thread about this but I may as well post it here:

Does anyone know what age Pynch started writing? Because I'm reading The Small Rain write now and HOLY SHIT is it sophomoric. Like it's hard to believe this is the same person that wrote Gravity's Rainbow. Like it's actually kind of uplifting to think that it's possible to go from that bad to that good in that space of time.
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Hi /lit,

I had the chance to experience living in another country almost 180 degrees different than mine for a time long enough and I travelled around many different places and countries in that time. I wasn't a tourist but more like a traveler during this time. I have met with many different people and I have changed completely from the point I have started to the point I returned home and I have found myself exactly in the shoes of Frodo and ever since than I am restless.

Thus I want to turn to literature to express myself and find some rest. I want to write...
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please reply
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>>8504777
Where have you been?
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>>8505487
Finland

Any one else hyped for this movie? I loved the book and the movie looks great
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>>8504752
Haven't read a women in over 3 years. So I'm not hyped and will avoid it at all costs
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Book set in England changed to be set in New York probably so they can film in Vancouver to save money. Deflate your hype balloons it will be shit or decent
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>>8504771
This is the worst fucking meme

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DUDE WEED LMAO
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My favorite part was when he smoked a bong with his college friends after banging a hot slut who sucked his cock after having unprotected sex which means she licked her own vaginal juices and feels like it should be sexy but actually feels more disgusting than it should, like giving oral to a girl after cumming inside her, it is still technically your fluids so it's not gay in any way but it still feels wrong and I wouldn't do it no way in hell.
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let me comma instead of period
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Its caled streme of consiusnes like the great tecnik james joice and wil falkner use in their fiction and makes me a great riter if i do the same also i dont use puntuation like my hero mcarty


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