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Anyone else depressed that you can't really learn anything from books without applying the information? It's like I could gain more from exposing a single book than I could gain by just reading 100 different books.

Literally nothing has changed after tons of books except for marginally improved thought processes in specific situations. Shitposting on 4chan has widened my vocabulary more than all the books I have read. Is it some myth that the subconcious is doing major work in the background?
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You read books to gain knowledge of other people's experiences. You don't gain a personal understanding of it until you actually apply it in a real life situation of your own. If we could all "learn" through others, we wouldn't be living our own lives would we? We wouldn't need to try things out for ourselves if we could get the info from a book or another living person.
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>>8490763
The theoretical is the basis of the practical. Alone it is nothing but clinical masturbation.
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>>8490853
>>8490864
It's a dilemma because you need to start at some point. I can't really ask how to learn something since it's pointless. I should start and see what works from the dozens of opinions I already heard. Still there is always the delusion that there is some key information around that would make things easier.

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Yo /lit/ give a 19 year old male some ideas for books I could read
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Check the sticky.
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>>8490765
No.
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What's a sticky?

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So is it just an "American History Meme" or is this an actual good read?
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I don't know I have never read it.
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I haven't read it either, so I wouldn't know.
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>>8490751
It is interesting, we had to read an excerpt from it today in class. It has me interested.

Mainly just about an expose to the meat industry, it was very popular and very controversial in the late 1900's. And I think it still lives up to it today.

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Guys i can't understand what is wrong with hedonism, please help me
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>>8490743
It's selfish and spiritually shallow
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>>8490743
It's a fancy word for "childish" and a frail attempt at justifying a lack of emotional control, temperance, and self-discipline that comes with spending one's life doing what feels good because you're not hurting anyone.
It seems fine initially, everybody wants to have fun, then the lack of restraint shows after you're too fat to run, addicted to fast food and whatever other fun chemicals you wanted to have a neato time with, and emotionally underdeveloped from running away from negative...
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I'd really like to fuck that cow

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Suppose there was is situation where one is trying to explain, to someone else, something that is extremely important; however, the person that is being explained to is not receptive as they do not know or understand the context and how complex the situation actually is and therefore think of it in a black and white simplistic manner—where they end up only being able to see that their own opinion on the matter is the correct one (even though they weren't there for the context and have very little information regarding the subject.). It also doesn't help that this...
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Typos

>was is
*is a

>the seriousness of the matter
Forgot to delete that part when expanding on paragraph
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>>8490721
>Suppose there was is situation where one is trying to explain, to someone else, something that is extremely important; however, the person that is being explained to is not receptive as they do not know or understand the context and how complex the situation actually is and therefore think of it in a black and white simplistic manner—where they end up only being able to see that their own opinion on the matter is the correct one (even though they weren't there for the context and have...
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>>8490721
Two quotes for you OP:

>And this is how it is: if only you do not try to utter what is unutterable then nothing gets lost. But the unutterable will be - unutterably - contained in what has been uttered!

>Telling someone something he does not understand is pointless, even if you add that he will not understand it. (That so often happens with someone you love.) If you have a room which you do not want certain people to get into, put a lock on it for...
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post books that are underknown/underrated
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>>8490629
Today I read about 20 pages on that, I didn't continue because it refereed to German politicians who few I knew. does it get easier later on?
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Anything by Winkler, especially pic related.
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>>8491317
Nope, you just need to have Google open the whole time

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>Infinitely more readable than other bibles
>accurate/literal
>lacks the baggage of biblical scholarship
>not hindered by religious dogma

>After the monumental translation of The Odyssey and even more transporting Iliad, he Englished the four Gospels, the Book of Acts and Epistles, and the Revelation whose author he did not think was the Apostle John. There was one evangelist he preferred for his elegant Greek, and when...
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>>8490624
thanks, anon
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Because it's still just a shitty mary sue fanfic regardless of who translated it.
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>>8490624
I will likely get this as a companion to the KJV

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What are the most necessary pieces of literature concerning traditionalism which must be read in order to become well acquainted with the fundamental properties it is built upon?

Bonus points for graph, also for sequential recommendations concerning availability and ease of understanding.
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the greeks - /wsr/
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>>8490483
What a great picture
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>>8490483
>a demon assaulting brave warrior
>not someone trying to feed an ostrich with its head buried in the sand

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Got any good fantasy series? Just finished Wheel of time and looking for a new one.
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Go try Discworld
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Real life.
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Does Neil Gaymond count as fantasy?

Is there erotica with literary value?
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Erotica's sole purpose is to draw in the reader and elicit a response, much like any other genre; so they, in theory, should have just as much literary value.

However, erotica is often created by mediocre authors who focus more on immediate gratification, rather than developing an arc. Thus, it is difficult to find "good" erotica.
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Yes, see masoch and sade
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>>8490425
go search the archive in the like eighty other threads with your exact question

Anyone else read and loved these books? I'm the only person I know who has and so never get to discuss them
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>>8490334
Fujoshit.
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>>8490812
Actually I just borrowed The King Must Die. Is that a good one? I chose it since I think I'd better off reading something without a lot of intricate historical baggage, given that my classics knowledge is mediocre.
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>>8490812
Wait, is this ancient Greek gay fantasy porn?

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I have a brilliant idea for a novel that could eventually be adapted to a movie screenplay. The story is based on a character from Game of Thrones. I want to be able to get this novel published so I can sell it to a literary agent to get paid even though it's copyrighted and trademarked or whatever for the GoT media franchise.

The only way the story will work is if I can legally use this character also with the name of character. The story is a satire, so this is important. Would this be legal? Technically, satire is protected free speech right?
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>>8490330
So basically fanfiction?
If you write something with the intention that it becomes a movie later on, it will be shit.
Only start worrying about publishers obce you have written it.
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>>8490330
You should get that brain cancer checked out.
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>>8490330
Tell us anon

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What is /lit/'s opinion on Max Frisch?
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>>8490256
He is complete bullshit.
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>>8490256
delillo likes man in the holocene
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I think he's an INTJ because the dude in Homo Faber was INTJ as heck and only an INTJ would have such great insight into the autistic mechanisms of the INTJ mind :)

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Why is it bad practice to outline the events that will happen in your novel?
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>>8490255
a) it isn't
b) because you can't follow the characters as they naturally grow. You're following what you think SHOULD happen. You have to write like you're a reader, excited at each moment of the story
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>>8490255
It would be better to keep the vague outline in your head to give your story a sense of direction as you write, but be prepared to go a different direction if that's what's called for
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Because it interrupts the God-given gift of poesy that naturally flows through you without your choice and for which you are merely the spokesmen, rendering to man the revelations of Art so that he might see it through your pen.

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I close my eyes and see a flock of birds. The vision lasts a second or perhaps less; I don’t know how many birds I saw. Were they a definite or an indefinite number? This problem involves the question of the existence of God. If God exists, the number is definite, because how many birds I saw is known to God. If God does not exist, the number is indefinite, because nobody was able to take count. In this case, I saw fewer than ten birds (let’s say) and more than one; but I did not see nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, or two birds. I saw a number between ten and...
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This is pretty cool.
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>>8490249
Are you memeing me? I hate being meme'd.
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>>8490249
Astonishingly retarded

Okay, so I started reading Wheel of time and love it! On the fourth now. But something bugging me is that almost every female characther always have a really negative view of men. All of the major women characters seem to think of men like dumb and impulsive. Nynaeve is especially guilty of this. Thought it was just me not being able to realate to women characters, but as I kept reading they just kept on spewing hate for men. It kind of gets irritating when you hear it for the like 100th time. Am I alone in this or do others agree? Did the author think that every female just hated men?
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That's Robert Jordan and how his wife was. It really drags his writing down. So damn annoying.
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Well it's the narrative though. Men broke the world, and the Aes Sedai are considered the purveyors of safety and security.(With the notable exception of the Children of the Light, who are of course men.)

It gets tiresome after a while tbqh, especially the love quintuple or sextuple or whetever it is between Rand and his whores.
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It feels like Robert Jordan's female character are almost all the same. Basically always someone who thinks men are stupid and nags all the time. It's such a shame because his male characters are written really good. I still don't know which story among Rand, Mat and Perrin I like best. They all have their own unique personality and story that make them really fun to watch.

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Is this "novel" worth reading or is it the greatest prank in literature history?
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>>8490218
Beung the greatest prank in literature is enough reason to read it anyway.
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>>8490218
It contains the entirety of human thought up to that point in less than 700 pages, so if that sounds appealing to you check it out.
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>>8490257
I guess, but is it even possible to comprehend what is happening?

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>a single important sentence is put with space between it somewhere on the page
>have to resist looking down at all because if you do it's so short you'll instantly read it
>always end up looking anyway
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>>8490185
Every. Single. Damn. Time.
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>something exciting happens on the left page
>instinctively skim the right page
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>get to the very last page
>the final line is in your peripheral vision and getting harder to ignore by the second
>resist looking down with every ounce of will

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What's Mishima's prose like in Japanese? How does it compare to the novels he helped translate into English?
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dinky doo
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>>8490115
fake and gay
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Japanese is a very simplistic language, so probably very unremarkable.

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No shame here, I love me some King
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Never read it in English but I enjoy the Latin translation.
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>>8490122
The whole British boarding school setting is super comfy, not to mention the friendships between Harry and co.
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>>8490107
I own every single Irvine Welsh and Chuck Palahniuk book. I live vicariously through their degenerate characters, especially Welsh's.

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What was the last book /lit/ read that was published in the last 5 years?
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i read tai pei and i read the argonauts earlier this year. i have probably read other things more recently. i re-read most of Purity and franzen's most recent essay collection, which i'm fairly sure is only four years old.
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Flamethrowers
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The Buried Giant I think?

And if translations count I just picked up Bottom's Dream

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What are some good books about criminal organizations?
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N-no one?
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0062369288/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473443029&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=Hillary+Clinton+book+expose&dpPl=1&dpID=61-9UuFfIHL&ref=plSrch
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>>8490064
Hells Angels - Hunter S Thompson
Ringolevio - Emmett Grogan

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How can I indentify my genuine will of power?
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>>8490060
That looks more like Knut Hamsun than Nietzsche.

Actually... Hamsun... handsome face... superman... coincidence?

As far as I could ever make out the key is the metamorphosis of the soul, so you have to go through that being a moral fag and being a contrarian phases first.
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>>8490127
>so you have to go through that being a moral fag and being a contrarian phases first.
done
am i in limbo?
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>>8490060
tits of gtfo

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Pynchon recommends this book. Is he correct?
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Whatever comes out of Pinecone's mouth is law. You should know that by now.
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>>8490055
He is correct by default.
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>>8490055
yes, read zeroville after

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Can we talk about this book? I finished it recently after seeing it recommended on /lit/ numerous times. I devoured the book, but I do suspect that several parts went over my head, not least because I don't speak French.

What do you think of the book?
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>>8490024
You didn't translate the French?
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>>8490035

No, I was a lazy piece of shit.
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>>8490024
It's one of /lit/'s favourites. An absolute masterpiece with incredible prose. A lot will get over your head if you don't focus while reading. A beautiful masterpiece which leaves everyone speechless.

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ITT: We post several books from our backlog and other anons tell us what we should read next.

>Dosto: The Gambler
>Dosto: Memoirs from the house of the dead
>Tolstoy: Anna Karenina
>Tolstoy: War and Peace
>Turgenev: Fathers and Sons
>Kerouac: On the Road
>Houllebecq: Submission

have a comfy picture for your troubles.
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>>8490012
Oh and I also forgot:
>Corncobs "Tortillas" YeCarthy: No Country for Old Memes
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>>8490012
Houllebecq, mostly because he's on my backlog too

what's on my desk:
> Calvino; Hermit in Paris
> Nabokov; King, Queen, Knave
> Nabokov; The Luzhin Defense
> Lukacs; The Future of History
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>>8490026
Read The Luzhin Defense, it's my second favorite Russian novel of Nabokov's

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I just read this new book, it's obscure and took me almost a year, it's very experimental and hard to understand but if you work really hard you can get it, look it up if you haven't heard and maybe give it a try, it will change your life, you're welcome.
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>>8489999
Mate you're gonna have to try harder than that. Nice waste of digits btw.
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>>8489999
you wasted those digits. good bait. I found it comfy & read it on the shitter in between real books.
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>>8490005
I know maybe I didn't describe it right but you should really read it, it's the best book I've ever read

what should I read, this or 2666?
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2666. Don't fall for the pomo meme.
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Read 2666. Underworld has been the most disappointing book I have read.
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>>8489979
If you're American (or Canadian I guess) read underworld. If you're anything else read 2666

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Meursault did nothing wrong.
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>>8489970
Yes, he did.
>Thou shalt not kill
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>>8489981
>Thou shalt not kill
>kills billions
meme god
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>>8490316
>Thou

nice reading comprehension

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do we care that this is coming out in 11 days
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>le flatulent old fuck
no
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no hope for a nobel right?
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>>8489985
i think he's pretty far down on the list of deserving authors (from the committees standpoint at least)


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