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What's our opinion on him?
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>>8486552
Absolutely based. Makes me feel like an erudite gentleman whenever I read him.

I personally subscribe to his philosophy of "cosmic indifferentism" because it doesn't require a great deal of thought and allows me to act like a smug reactionary without having to care about current political events.
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>>8486552
turgid prose, more likely to be unintentionally comedic than disturbing or scary. very repetitive and mostly reliant on the narrators insisting what they saw was SO HORRIFYING THEY WENT INSANE FOR REAL TRUST ME rather than actually creating dread in the reader. the wacky racial obsessions with monkey ancestry and fishman miscegenation are the only fun parts. i read a penguin collection and the footnotes were more interesting than the stories so i might read a biography of him at some point because he seems like an...
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>>8486677
DUDE I'M LIKE LITERALLY GOING INSANE JUST BY READING THIS THREAD ABOUT HIM

MY ENSUING INSANITY IS TOTALLY INDESCRIBABLE, REALLY GUYS

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Why do the best literary minds kill themselves/suffer from mental illness and depression?
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>>8486523
he wasn't one of the best literary minds. did Joyce kill himself? did Proust? Tolstoy? Kafka? Beckett?
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>>8486549
harrrddddoooooooo
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>>8486549
Did Ernest Cline?

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Should literature be comitted to political ideologies?

My view: yes, because of all the fine arts it is the only one with intellectual rigor in its core creative process. Art is in itself an antisocial assertion of the self. Selfishness, intellect & "political association" are the most important traits of this sub-species of primates.
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>>8486441

Literature will never be apolitical. As long as there are stories about any kind of human interaction, politics will be in the picture. Trying to disassociate politics from literature is not only stupid, but also wrong. If done from the position of power, it equals censorship.
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>>8486831
>Rise up brothers, the revolution is now
If all literature is political what is the politics of Hairy Maclary?

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What makes a translation 'good'? If the translator is a kind of purist and translates everything word for word, exactly as he can, is he a better translator than one who tries to recreate the feelings that the author is trying to convey? How much liberty do you think a translator can take with a piece of work before it becomes inaccurate?
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>How much liberty do you think a translator can take with a piece of work before it becomes inaccurate

translating is transforming the work. No way around that.

That being said, i prefer a tight interpretation over a purist translation with weird sentence structure.
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>>8486413
The perfect purist translation is a spook, especially when talking literary translation
The more recent translation theory I've been exposed to seems to have embraced what literary theory has to offer, namely Bakhtin and the notion of novelistic discourse, or 'uneigentliche Rede', which is the better term for describing what ancient rhetorics called the 'improprietas' use of words where words are assigned an extra, non-standardised meaning, like when paraphrase someone and use words that...
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>>8486413
It's like doing a cover of a song.

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Anyone here writing a short story? Post a synopsis here

>cyberpunk story
>premise is that there's a VR-based MMO game that's super serious (think EVE online cranked up to 11) and has stakes comparable to the NFL
>spectators sometimes watch big battles between players
>there's some guy playing a wizard who is the strongest player in the game, and he gets a hit called on him in real life while he's in the VR world

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Sounds a lot like "Player of Games" by Ian Banks.

That said, the average LoL tournament watcher wouldn't care so why not pander to them.
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>>8486404
well, someone read neil stephenson
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>>8486404
>A girl gets a message that says "I love you" from a classmate
>this classmate is a ugly nerd guy who can talk only with her and the Science professor.
>the two guys love astronomy.
>The professor dies causing an incident. It's clear it is suicide.
>he offed himself because the sun is freezing and humanity has only two years before humanity...
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>Newton
>Hobbes
>Locke
>Russel
>Whitehead
>Dawkins
>Hitchens

Why are Brits such shit? What caused their materialism and dislike of speculation? What ripped the heart out of the land that gave us Shakespeare?
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>Newton
Alchemist, astrologer, cuckstian.

>Hobbes
Statetheist, deist.

>Locke
Deist.

>Hitchens
Proponent of 'other ways of knowing', serious Shakespeare fan.

Also materialism is a reasonable position until proven otherwise. Call me when a psychic wins the lottery.
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>>8486400
how do you mix Newton with that when he was basically an occultist

also how do you mix Dawkins and Hitchens with the rest when they are just pop culture memes of "smart guys"
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>>8486464
150 years ago Nietzsche was a 'pop culture meme smart guy'.

Oh wait he still is lol.

>North Korea bans sarcasm because Kim Jong-un fears people only agree with him ‘ironically’
>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-bans-sarcasm-kim-jong-un-freedom-speech-a7231461.html

is this what post-postmodernism looks like?
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>>8486372
Kim Jung il is truly the hero of the modern age
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>>8486372
I support his decision.
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Crazy news story about North Korea? Must be true, the media shows the outmost source criticism when it comes to that country.

What does /lit/ think of Throne of Glass?
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>>8486269
I mean. It looks like pulpy genrefic
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it's YA

the author is a fucking cutie tho
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Recently the titles of YA have been really annoying me - "shadow and bone" "city of bones" "daughter of smoke and bone" "throne of glass" "city of glass" etc etc ad nauseum. Seems to me a pretty cynical attempt to cash in whilst also making the genre boring and standardised and homogeneous. I don't read YA but the YA fantasy industry could be offering much more to kids/teens than this samey pap.

And why is everything a fucking eighteen novel series? And whopping great volumes too, 600 odd pages sometimes. I watched...
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BECAUSE I DO NOT HOPE TO TURN AGAIN
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Till the wind shake a thousand whispers from the yew

And after this our exile
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ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen.
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based poem

superior to waste land I M O

I'm travelling to Vanuatu in a couple of months and I'd like to read up. Is there any Vanuatuan literature or authoritative histories?
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not much
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>>8486236
Infinite Jest
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The John Frum cargo cult. Not exactly literature, but the only mythos in the world based on canned pork. That's pretty unique.

Is there really anything better in this world than reading? I've been out of high school for 4 years, tried college 3 times but quit because of stress and anxiety and depression. During the past year I've just lived in an apartment alone reading books and listening to music and drinking coffee, it's been the best years of my life. How could going out to get some soul sucking, boring, dreary job ever give you the same fulfillment as reading a really good book? I've never fit in, I never wanted to be anything, I just want to read books.
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There are jobs where you can just sit there and read books, too.
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>>8486075
Not good ones.
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>>8486070
Sebastian?

Also, living life is better than reading, all you are doing is being an escapist, and you are on the same tier as 10 hour a day WoW gamers.

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Are there any books that take a real academic attempt and studying and deconstructing humour. Can be modern or old
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No, none
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I'm also interested in this, bump
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nice try jorge

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Aside from his two colleagues, who are some authors and what is some fiction similiar to pic.
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Jean Ray
Fritz Leiber
Algernon Blackwood
Ben Okri

More modern ones:
Laird Barron, Thomas Ligotti, Clive Barker
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>>8486025
All terrible
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>>8486123
you're terrible

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Do any of you adhere to strict daily routines to aid you in your productivity as a reader and a writer?

If so, what does your routine look like?
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Usually I WAKE UP

GRAB A BRUSH AND PUT ON A LITTLE MAKE-UP
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>>8485922
Medition, study, gym, reading, sex with qt gf. Oh and LOTS of food
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>>8485945
HIDE THE SCARS TO FADE AWAY THE SHAKE-UP

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How many hours per day do you spend in the library /lit/?

Me? At least six. Since quitting my full-time office job in the city I have slept in my car, showered at a local swimming pool and spent the majority of my day reading and writing at a local library. It's a fantastic life, I don't know why I didn't live this way sooner. Almost all of my focus and mental energy is now dedicated solely to the consumption and production of literature. I pay no rent or utilities. I buy cheap food and eat it where I can. Sometimes I attend a local soup kitchen, and on...
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You're living the dream man. I don't have 35k in savings or a car so I have to slave away 2-3 days per week
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>>8485905
You sound like a loser desu. Go get a job.
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You know if have 35k in savings and a car, you're not really homeless. Try the real thing some time! I bet that swimming pool requires either a membership or you have to pay a daily fee.

Food is usually easy to obtain. It's when you don't have a place to sleep and when you're completely unable to shower or wash your clothes is when things start getting really fucked up.

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>In Paris if an intellectual coughs it makes the front cover of Le Monde.

What did he mean by this?
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>>8485903
He meant:

>please pay attention to my autistic anglo-kike analytic trash like you do to the charismatic cool kids who actually have something to say that relates to people's lives
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French culture has been and still is a masturbatory insular fest that freely ignores what's going on in the rest of the world. They rarely 'export culture' and they don't 'import culture'. Thus, there's little news to report since it's not a big nation, so every fart has to be published.

Chloé Thomas is on the front page of Le Monde today, ever heard of her?
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>>8485936
>they don't import or export culture
But that's not true at all. Don't forget at the the turn of the 20th century Paris was the biggest cultural center in the world, and French had been a lingua franca in the whole of europe ever since Napoleon. French intellectuals and artists have had a huge influnce on the humanities and the arts.
>Voltaire
>Bougereau
>Duchamp

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I've got an audible credit coming up soon. Should I spend it on this, or would something else be more worthwhile?
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How fast does Simon Vance read and what sort of accent does he have?
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>>8486919
>and what sort of accent does he have?
Whatever it is, it can't possibly match Northampton Wizardly Rumble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YAuhLDUnC0
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>His empathy for his characters took a dangerous turn when he wrote the chapter based on Lucia Joyce (daughter of James Joyce), who died in a mental institution in Northampton, which is written in a complex invented language. Moore had to take over a year off from working on the book when he finished this section… Yet “the torturous mind-bending part of it was actually the part that I enjoyed the most. It took me almost two years to recuperate from it. But it was ecstatic and probably the most enjoyable thing I’ve ever written.”

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Hello, I have an English assignment due tomorrow morning.
The Question is "write a narrative within which the main character experiences an awakening or realization".


Here is my story. What should I change?

Who would have thought a sugar cube has all the answers?
As it touches my tongue, I feel it corrode, its kindliness sweetness tantalising my mouth as the sucrose overpowers the flavour of the lysergic acid diethylamide imbedded within its grains.
Now we wait.

My mirror on my wall paints a picture of me. Six hours until I’m thirty...
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Fuck I am sorry, that was the unedited first part

Who would have thought a sugar cube has all the answers?
As it touches my tongue, I feel it corrode, its sweetness tantalising my mouth as the sucrose overpowers the flavour of the lysergic acid diethylamide imbedded within its grains.


Now we wait.

My mirror on my wall reflects a picture of me. Six hours until I’m thirty six, what have I accomplished? Dragging my fingertips through my hairline, I see silver hair beginning to replace what was once blonde, time is catching up to me.. I hate my eyes,...
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>>8485790
Eleven o’clock, eleven or ten, eleven or ten. The hand can’t decide, it’s moving between them. No. It is eleven. It was ten last time. When was last time?
The hairs on my arm are waving, an ebony forest rustling in the wind. Why are they not alchemising into silver, like those that rest upon my crown. This voice I hear. Why do I hear a voice? Am I compos mentis? Are you my conscious?

No, I am the answer.
Who are you?
Who am I?
Yes, who are you? What are you?
You know who I am.
Help me....
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Do you even know what some of the words you're using mean or did you just flip through a thesaurus? A lot of the phrases you wrote sound awkward as fuck.

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Why start with the Greeks for philosophy?

Literally nothing matters before Descartes and Hume. Of course sometimes a classical Greek philosopher is mentioned, but it's not necessary to have read them to understand the argument made.
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>>8485697
Modern philosophy sucks and classical philosophy is good.
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>>8485707
>modern philosophy
>sucks
>literally from Spinoza to Wittgenstein

wew lad
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>>8485697
Socrates was a fun man to read about though

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How do I into mysticism? What are some good introductory works?
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I've been reading The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly Hall. It's long and feels a little disorganised when you're reading on a Kindle, but it makes some fantastic connections and goes into detail about almost everything. Give it a shot, but I don't know what to suggest to you if it's too heavy.
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>>8485695
Which mysticism do you want to be introduced to?
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>>8485720
this, that's a really vague and broad subject

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>library has late fees
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>an amazingly altruistic system that could never develop again on account of a content producing system suing it into oblivion, a system that gives and gives and gives and occasionally wants you to chip in a little bit when you abuse the system
>what an outrage
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>>8485698
I was only pretending to be retarded
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>>8485698
You already chip in a little by paying taxes.

Is having bi-polar disorder /lit/?
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i work with a guy who has it and i can tell you it's definitely not
a treated bi-polar person is very far from being "/lit/"
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>>8485803
what about an untreated person who uses it to distinguish their writing?
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>>8485959
If all you have to distinguish your writing is a mental disorder, choose a different field.

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What is some literature that resembles the scene in Spongebob where Squidward transcends time and reality and dissolves into a non existence
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Part 4 of Gravity's Rainbow
Fuck, now I'm interested in this as well, someone gibe recs
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>>8485571
>books
you need drugs
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holy shit i need this

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I speak Serbian (diaspora), but am ashamed to admit that I've never read anything by a Serb/Croat/etc. What do you guys consider the serbocroatian literary canon? I have honestly never heard of anyone but Andric. What are your recommendations?

pic related, my mom's face when she realized she raised the world's worst Serb
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>>8485569
Hazarski rečnik, senpai
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>serbocroatian
Fuck off with this meme
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Regarding the "Croatian" part, Matoš, Ujević, Krleža and Marinković are probably the best known, so read those.

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Any books I can read to further support my hatred towards people? Anti-humanist book thread
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The Conspiracy against the Human Race
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who /posthuman/ here
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De Maistre

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Name one single atheist writer who didn't end up embracing at least a grudging, tentative theism before he died. you can't
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me

because i'm killing myself tomorrow
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CS Lewis
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>>8485534
the accusations of a death bed confession is an embarassment to christianity, showing it's real, base nature

10/10 short stories?
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>>8485494

Neil Gaimen does some good work.

But "The Eye of Argon" is just...haunting.
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Dostoevsky's White Nights and it's feels were on point
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Borges: The Immortal

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yet many think he was the premier American Philosopher

why is this
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because he was a good fucking philosopher...who gives a shit what his political beliefs were
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>>8485492
Same reason why fucking fascists write the best poetry. They're not living in a fantasy land. Don't forget Heidegger was a nazi
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>>8485492
HMMMM REALLY MAKES U THINK CuCKS BTFO IF U ARENT A WHITE NATIONALIST UR LITERALLY A NU MALE BASED MILO

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Which works should I read of Christian Wolff's prior to reading Kant? Wikipedia lists 21 "important works". Which of these should I read to understand his influence on Kant when I read him? I feel that he's the last philosopher I have to read before tackling Kant, so far I have finished the pre-socratics, Plato, Aristotle, Seneca, Epictetus, Augustine, Aquinas, Descartes, Spinoza, Locke, Leibniz, Berkely, Hume, and Smith (theory of moral sentiments.)

Secondary literature reccs also welcome for Wolff
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http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wolff-christian/
I'm thinking: German logic, german metaphysics, and preliminary discourse. Do you guys think I'm missing an important one?
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None.
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>>8485710
Wolff is supposed to bridge the gap between Leibniz and Kant- supposedly there is a very clear transition from Leibniz to Kant if you have Wolff inbetween. That's what I would like to understand by reading him.

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Do any of you actually keep a diary? Why? Do you get enjoyment out of it?

I think if you're keeping a diary you should either do it as practice or because your prose is so fucking beautiful that reading it back causes you to without hesitation. Otherwise I don't see much point to it.

Any /lit/ diaries?
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>>8485329
No need to be embarrassed Anon
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I love the look of old notebooks and journals, but it seems like they're not made like they used to be. It all ends up being faux leather fuck-huge dollar store wizard tomes, or Moleskine and their clones, which are fucking overpriced Chinese black fucking notebooks. Anyone know of notebooks or journals that don't suck?
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>>8485376
I've been using Rhodia's paper because the neutral pH lets fountain pen dry faster and it doesn't bleed on the next page. The construction isn't bad, but I've always though Kukuyo feels better to write on.

Just experiment with shit.


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